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Rox can bury the Giants with 4-game set at Coors

Some things have changed since the last time the Giants were in town.  Some haven't.

After the Rockies took two of three for San Fran at Coors July 24-26, the Rockies were two games ahead of the Giants for the wild card.  Right now, they are two games ahead of the Giants for the wild card.  Tim Lincecum's arm is still firmly attached to his right shoulder, and Bengie Molina still sucks.  But for all the holdovers, this will certainly be a different team.  Of the four starters in line to face the Rockies, only one pitched in the last series.  The lineup features a new second baseman, left fielder, and first baseman, transforming the top of the order.  Of course, the Rockies counter with a strengthened bullpen.

The Rockies can put a substantial dent in the Giants playoff aspirations.  Just think:  winning the series by any means will push the Giants at least four games out of the race, a deficit that is (gasp!) bigger than the one the Rockies currently face in the division, and there are many who maintain that deficit is too steep already.

So how have those new shiny pieces helped the Giants' offense?  Well, since the trade deadline, their team wOBA is .326, a step up from their .304 season mark, but it hasn't been Sanchez and Garko that have done it.  They have a .306 and .282 mark since the trade respectively.  Naturally, that's not the most important metric to measure by.

Since adding both players to their roster, the Giants are 10-8 .  In 8 of those 18, the offense has failed to score more than 2 runs.  Their August runs/game is up to 4.17 (their season mark is 3.98).  So there's a slight improvement, and it will help when Sanchez returns tonight.  He has missed 7 of the 20 games since he was acquired.  

However, for reference, the Rockies offense has pumped out 6.06 runs/game in August, and 12 of 19 have been on the road.  That has been inflated at Coors, but their 4.90 mark on the road far bests the Giants, and everyone here seems very worried about our offense...

Are the Giants improved enough?  With 10 games left between the two teams, four this weekend, anything is possible.  But I don't think (and never have) that their still anemic offense will be enough to knock off more complete teams.  I'm not the only one.  Rockies, make me right this weekend. 

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San Francisco Giants (66-55, L1, 3rd, 2 GB WC, 5 GB Div) 

Friday-Monday: 4-game series at Coors Field


The Bats: D

I'm sorry, but an offense can't be any good with Bengie Molina STILL in the cleanup spot.  His 82 OPS+ would place him as the 6th worst cleanup hitter since 1957.  Even if the Giants win the Wild Card, Bruce Bochy should be DQed from Manager of the Year consideration on that fact alone, and I'm tempted to give them an F again.  However, the rest of the lineup is indeed improved, as actually five hitters are above league average in wOBA.  

But as I showed in the lead, they still aren't scoring runs (they scored one run in 3 of their last 4 games) and the two pieces they added to their 2nd-worst team-wOBA are not producing.  

LINEUP Avg HR RBI OBP SLG wOBA
Eugenio Velez - LF .300 3 14 .336 .438 .338
Freddy Sanchez - 2B .297 7 39
.333 .433 .331
Pablo Sandoval - 3B .327 18 70 .377 .545 .389
Bengie Molina - C .259 15
63 .277 .431 .299
Ryan Garko - 1B .276 11 47 .353 .429 .344
Aaron Rowand - CF
.275 10 48
.329 .437 .335
Nate Schierholtz - RF .299 4 23 .326 .445 .327
Edgar Renteria - SS .261 2 40 .314 .321 .282

By wOBA metrics, the lineup features one All-Star caliber players (Sandoval), one above average hitter (Garko), two slightly above average hitters (Rowand and Velez), two about average hitters (Sanchez and Schierholtz), and two  hitters who "suck," as RMN described yesterday (Molin anad Renteria).

Juan Uribe (.277, 6, 28) is the utility infielder and Travis Ishikawa (.263, 8, 31) is back on the roster to spell Garko.   Fred Lewis (.274, 4, 16)  and Randy Winn (.269, 2, 45) are backup outfielders and both figure to start at least once in the series. Rookie Eli Whiteside (.225, 1, 7) is Molina's backup catcher.

Hop after the jump for the scouting report on the arms, the D, the pitching matchups, injuries and the hot/cold players.

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The Arms: A

Two of the Giants starters have not faced the Rockies this season.  One has Cy Young hardware.  The other (Saturday's starter) is just coming off of having his own hardware struck by a batted ball, forcing him to miss most of the season.  Barry Zito is pitching a lot better and he had a dominating start vs the Rockies earlier this year.  Jeo Martinez has been decent in his three starts.  Sanchez has been solid in his six starts since the no-hitter.  We do miss Matt Cain however.  Also, the bullpen is exceptionally stable and strong.

Statistically speaking, the Giants lead MLB in shutouts and have the 3rd best pitching staff, according to Fangraphs, behind Boston and, ahem, Colorado.  They lead MLB in K's (as if that were surprising), ERA, and complete games.  Their ERA/FIP/tRA rotation split is 3.55/3.73/4.03, and only Barry Zito is "below average" per StatCorner.  The bullpen is 3.30/3.67/3.98.

W-L ERA WHIP K BB
2009 - Brian Wilson 5-5 2.75 1.11 61 21

The bullpen composition hasn't changed since the last time the Giants were in town.  The pen is anchored by closer Brian Wilson, followed by Jeremy AffeldtSergio Romo and Bob Howry.  Merkin ValdezJustin Miller and Brandon Medders fill out the bullpen.  Meddres and Valdez aren't very scary, but the other five have been good.


The D: B

The Giants have MLB 3rd best UZR/150, and only seven teams have made fewer errors.  Fangraphs rates San Francisco's defense as #1 in MLB.  However, a lot of that statistical benefit has come from Ishikawa and Winn, who aren't full-time starters anymore.  Outside of them, every player in the lineup is either slightly above average or merely serviceable.


Probable Pitchers:

Tonight, 7:10 pm MDT

W-L ERA WHIP K BB
2009 - Jonathan Sanchez 5-10 4.49 1.41 120 64
W-L ERA WHIP K BB
2009 - Aaron Cook 10-5 4.31 1.46 75 44
Jonathan Sanchez can't pitch on the road.  He's 1-8 with a 5.20 ERA on the road despite a .296 BABIP against.  His worst start since his reinsertion to the rotation came at Coors Field July 25, but he's quietly turning his season around to the point where he's legitimately having a career year.  Cook is coming off his worst start of the year and has allowed 5 HR in his past 3 starts.  One important note:  the Giants left Cincinnati yesterday afternoon, while the Rockies had to travel from Washington after a night game.  That could affect the game.  Cookie said he fixed his balance point problem, which apparently sabotaged his last start.   If he has, this matchup favors the Rockies.  Otherwise, I'm nervous about this one.

Saturday, August 22, 6:10 MDT
W-L ERA WHIP K BB
2009 - Joe Martinez 3-1 4.76 1.71 10 6
W-L ERA WHIP K BB
2009 - Jorge De La Rosa 11-8 4.58 1.39 140 57
Martinez was placed on the 60-day DL with a concussion after getting hit with a line drive off his head in Spring Training.  The rookie hasn't allowed more than 3 runs in any appearance, but then again, he hasn't gotten more than 15 outs in a game this year.  He doesn't get a lot of strikeouts but is serviceable at the back end of the rotation.  De la Rosa has allowed just 1 run in his last 13.2 IP, winning 9 of his last 10 starts and allowing 2 or less runs in 7 of 9 starts.  The game will be broadcast on MLB Network.  

Sunday, August 23, 1:10 MDT

W-L ERA WHIP K BB
2009 - Tim Lincecum 12-3 2.37 1.04 207 46
W-L ERA WHIP K BB
2009 - Ubaldo Jimenez 11-9 3.41 1.23 145 64
This game should be on every sports channel except maybe YES.  I thought Lincecum would fall apart this year or at least regress.  He hasn't.  There's not a whole lot to say.   He's a stud.  However, the Rockies have hit him harder than just about anyone in his career, and the Giants are just 2-3 in games he's started at Coors.  So if you want a sliver of hope, there's that.  Plus, he just got whipped up on by the only team with a worse wOBA than the Giants.  The Rockies counter with their own OMGACE, who has thrown 8 straight quality starts.  Ubaldo is quietly 4-0 with a 1.47 ERA in August.  

Monday, August 24, 6:40 MDT
W-L ERA WHIP K BB
2009 - Barry Zito 8-11 4.26 1.32 114 56
W-L ERA WHIP K BB
2009 - Jason Marquis 14-8 3.58 1.28 79 52
In his last 7 starts, Zito is 3-2 with a 2.36 ERA.  He dominated the Rockies May 3 at AT&T.  His WHIP and and ERA are coming down towards strong numbers, and he could certainly confuse Rockies hitters if he's on.  As FooMan has shown, Marquis has not broken down in the second half.  He has 9 quality starts in his 11 post-ASB starts, and the Rockies are 7-4 in his home starts.  


My take

It's amazing how real life can play out like theater.  The probable pitchers line up perfectly for three very competitive matchups that could easily go either way, making home field advantage key, though Colorado ought to win Saturday's game.  With the Dodgers facing the bumbling Cubs in the meantime, the goal should be at least three wins, though a split is not debilitating.  I think the Rockies take 3 and put the Giants behind the 8-ball.

 

33_15_10---fire-flame-texture_web_mediumBengie Molina has four August HR, while Fred Lewis is 11-for-23 in August.  Velez, Sanchez, Sandoval, Renteria and Schierholtz are all hitting over .300 this month, and Brian Wilson has allowed just one run since July 11.


IceTravis Ishikawa is only 4-for-22 this month and Freddy Sanchez has just 4 singles in his last 17 ABs.

 


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Andres Torres (hamstring - 7/31) and Rich Aurilia (ankle - 8/12) are both on the 15-day DL.  Noah Lowry (ribs) has been on the 60 day DL since at least Opening Week, and P Kelvin Pichardo (shoulder - 6/28), Randy Johnson (trapezius - 7/6) and Henry Sosa (shoulder - 8/5)  are now keeping him company.

Poll
After this series, the Rockies will be leading San Fran by:
They won't: The Giants' offense will awaken at Coors, their pitching will dominate, and the Rockies will be looking up at SF after being swept.
34 votes
Zero: We manage to win just one game against the Giants.
24 votes
Two: The evenly matched teams split the series, prolonging the drama
82 votes
Four: With a series win 3-1, the Rockies put the Giants a ways back
141 votes
Six: Goodbye San Francisco. Getting swept at Coors pushes them on the brink.
33 votes

314 votes | Poll has closed

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When did I say Renteria and Molina suck?

I mean they do, but I’m gonna need some evidence here pal

Also does Wilson’s 1 run allowed since July come with the 4 foot wide strike zone he gets too?

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 12:18 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

it was your definition of any player with a woba under .300 in your last counting rocks

They are too old to not be ready. So they must suck. That chart is nice :)

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 21, 2009 1:51 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

yes, quite

suck

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, they are good

Pitcher(s) to watch:

Aaron Cook, Jorge De La Rosa, Ubaldo Jimenez, and Jason Marquis are all exactly the kind of pitchers who have given the Giants trouble this season: the kind who pitch overhand from less than 94 feet away.

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by frightenedinmate#2 on Aug 21, 2009 12:27 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

yukyukyukyuk

Seriously, here’s how bad they’ve been against everyone:

Split———————————————-BA———-OBP———-SLG———-OPS———-wOBA
Pittsburgh Pirates————————-.226———-.276———-.302———-.578———-.246
Florida Marlins——————————-.213———-.256———-.326———-.582———-.249
Colorado Rockies—————————.222———-.255———-.330———-.584———-.249
Seattle Mariners——————————.209———-.263———-.309———-.572———-.255
Chicago Cubs———————————.250———-.311———-.324———-.634———-.266
San Diego Padres—————————-.247———-.292———-.363———-.655———-.274
Oakland Athletics—————————-.253———-.274———-.381———-.655———-.276
Atlanta Braves———————————-.272———-.324———-.349———-.673———-.283
Los Angeles Dodgers———————-.242———-.316———-.341———-.657———-.284
Philadelphia Phillies————————.268———-.324———-.366———-.690———-.300
New York Mets———————————.277———-.307———-.407———-.714———-.302
Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim———-.262———-.313———-.417———-.730———-.304
St. Louis Cardinals—————————.292———-.328———-.424———-.752———-.307
Cincinnati Reds——————————-.286———-.328———-.410———-.738———-.311
Arizona Diamondbacks———————.274———-.326———-.428———-.753———-.317
Texas Rangers———————————.260———-.315———-.470———-.785———-.326
Washington Nationals———————-.291———-.348———-.433———-.782———-.333
Milwaukee Brewers—————————.293———-.360———-.486———-.846———-.351
Houston Astros——————————-.324———-.378———-.509———-.887———-.366

Sorted Ascending by wOBA.

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank god for Felipe Paulino and Jeff Suppan.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Aug 21, 2009 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

So very excited about this homestand

Everything can change this week. Go Rox!

Gladly sharing a name with Dexter Fowler!

by ShadowPenguin on Aug 21, 2009 12:33 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

This is one of those days where I wish I could just hibernate through the afternoon.

by dogs on Aug 21, 2009 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Homestand + 3

After the homestand (4 SF, 3 LA) there’s the 3 game set @ SF. These 10 game are huge – bigger than the Beatles.

Reviews of some great baseball sites and other cool stuff on my web magazine @ The Casual Observer

by kosmo on Aug 21, 2009 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

bigger than the beatles?

so by proxy, you’re saying these games are also bigger than jesus? what a thing to say on faith day…

by Narcoleptico on Aug 21, 2009 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought faith day was Sunday?

Way too much activity on this site in the last few weeks to keep everything straight.

by blooming rock on Aug 21, 2009 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh yea, haha, i guess that makes a lot more sense.

although shouldn’t all the good christians be at church on sunday?

by Narcoleptico on Aug 21, 2009 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, my church meets before the game

So we can do both.

But your cynicism is duly noted.

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

for i am nothing without my cynicism.

by Narcoleptico on Aug 21, 2009 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe in the church of baseball

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by Mondogarage on Aug 21, 2009 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, it *is* Timmay vs Ubaldo...

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by Mondogarage on Aug 21, 2009 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

it is gonna be an AWESOME game

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Timmy vs. Ubaldo

Is a religious experience itself!

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by ShadowPenguin on Aug 21, 2009 5:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're so pessimistic

They expect us to spank them. Of, and we’re the next WC/Division overlords :P

by bballrox4717 on Aug 21, 2009 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really appreciate our lack of profanity here

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

But you gotta give props to their image linkage over there

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by Mondogarage on Aug 21, 2009 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the thread is just overall hilarious...

Although it’s because most of it is just saying “like every rockies player has 43 homeruns” and “oh we’re getting swept”

by roxintober on Aug 21, 2009 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

And CarGo's hitting the first pitch for a dinger as predicted by McCovey Chronicles

I didn’t have the heart to say that would make the score 2-0 (teasing that Dex would leadoff).

Actually, I would have said so, but I just signed up and can’t post over there….

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by Mondogarage on Aug 21, 2009 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Giants fans are funny

the handful I’ve known personally (and it seems the McCovey Chroniclers) are all the same. Perpetually angsty and bitter about the state of the team (even with a winning record) and convinced they will lose every game. But if they ‘somehow’ win, then they’re all “in your face, you suck…!”

/gross generalizations are fun:)

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by WalkInRight on Aug 21, 2009 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey did PF e-mail you about Sunday?

I can take that game thread if you want tonight.

by Rox Girl on Aug 21, 2009 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

it was for Sunday right?

And I can’t do that one

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 21, 2009 1:55 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Alright then, that probably settles it,

As long as Jabberwocky’s around someplace to realize it.

by Rox Girl on Aug 21, 2009 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The game thread in red
is dancing with me
cheek to cheek
There’s nobody here, it’s just you and me, It’s where I wanna be

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by frightenedinmate#2 on Aug 21, 2009 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh man, that write-up is great
Coors Field. It’s just a mix of mortar, stone, metal, and evil, right?
Hitter to watch:

Every single hitter on the Giants. Score some freaking runs, you derelicts.

Oh man, and then the comments…wow. Great entertainment :-D

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by ShadowPenguin on Aug 21, 2009 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

From McCovey Chronicles...(Giants/Rox preview)

clap clap
clap clap clap
clap clap clap clap

Someone pleeease add “TU-LO!” to this!
I haven’t been a member at the Chronicles long enough to do so myself.

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by prettyinpurple on Aug 21, 2009 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

tried...me too

"If you're going to be stupid, you'd better be tough."

by Rawktober on Aug 21, 2009 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point about Rox traveling late last night

Good news is Cookie flew back earlier. We shall see.

"If you're going to be stupid, you'd better be tough."

by Rawktober on Aug 21, 2009 1:10 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Winn has been getting more starts then Schierholtz lately. F. Sanchez is kinda dinged up. The Giants believe in idiotic splits from small numbers of ABs, so Lewis (who’s hit pretty well in Coors) might get at least one start.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Aug 21, 2009 1:11 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Lewis is a Rockies killer

I hates him precious

More PA against us than any other team, and a.957 OPS to go with it.

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s not a bad hitter, but playing him based on what he’s done with 82 ABs in Coors field is kinda silly. That’s part of the reason why Giants fans are cranky and pessimistic.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Aug 21, 2009 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh I'm just looking at Career v Rockies

That’s like 102ABs mister man!

Yeah, small sample size, I know. I feel bad for the Giants’ lineup.

Except Kung Fu Panda. He’s pretty awesome.

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m just glad none of the Giants hitters have the initials Nyger Morgan.

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by frightenedinmate#2 on Aug 21, 2009 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

or with a j even

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by frightenedinmate#2 on Aug 21, 2009 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah i noted that Sanchez was dinged io

But he was reportedly set to return tonight. I probably should have noted winn is splitting starts. Seems like Nate got more recently but I may have been mistaken

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 21, 2009 1:53 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

OMG I'm dying laughing!

You all have to read the Giants blog linked above by Jabberwocky.
I haven’t laughed so hard in quite a while! Some funny people following the Giants.

by amoeba on Aug 21, 2009 1:39 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think we'll hit that point anytime soon

we have enough serious posters that the hilarious “woe is us” posters will get drowned out.

I snickered at a few of their comments.

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That, and there's no woe.

We Rock.

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on Aug 21, 2009 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

tell that to May

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Er, right.

You’re right — except when we don’t Rock.

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by Bryce on Aug 21, 2009 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

better

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

In play: out(s)

that gave me a laugh

by dds_dave on Aug 21, 2009 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, when is Jason Giambi supposed to arrive?

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 2:21 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

According to our amazing A's insider:
I’ll stop now but i’ll bet everyone on here that come september he will be in a rockies uniform. Deal?

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by ShadowPenguin on Aug 21, 2009 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um yeah, we'll take Fat Giambi right after we trade for Freddy Sanchez...

…and Fat Bengie.

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by Mondogarage on Aug 21, 2009 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now it's making even more sense.

September roster expansions will allow us some more freedom we don’t really have now. I bet our A’s friend turns out to be right.

by Rox Girl on Aug 21, 2009 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

Now that you put it that way, I guess it could happen.
If only our A’s friend had the ability to just SAY that :-/

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by ShadowPenguin on Aug 21, 2009 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Begs the question

Why on earth would any playoff contender, especially one whose roster has been so well managed thus far, want to give a single at bat to Fat Giambi?

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by Mondogarage on Aug 21, 2009 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because it beats giving that AB to Omar Quintanilla.

Which Tracy has resorted to at times in some games where a difficult RHP starts and he lefty loads the lineup. A couple of relievers later and Q’s our only left handed bat off the bench. I’d much rather have Giambi in these situations.

by Rox Girl on Aug 21, 2009 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please , can we just get Jamey Carroll back…

by butterfly on Aug 21, 2009 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please , can we just get Jamey Carroll Jeremy Affeldt back…

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by frightenedinmate#2 on Aug 21, 2009 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

whose roster spot will he take on the 40 man

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Those ABs can go to players like Matt Murton, and actually have a greater chance of success.

Fat Giambi’s got a .697 OPS this year, and hasn’t played in a month. He’ll take a walk, sure, but probably because that’s the only way he’s getting on base, for the most part. We’d do better adding Christian Colonel if we needed to.

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by Mondogarage on Aug 21, 2009 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can we call up Murton, McCoy, Colonel, and have them in a lineup with Tulowitzki, Smith, um….who else do we have here…..

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by frightenedinmate#2 on Aug 21, 2009 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

McKenry,

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by frightenedinmate#2 on Aug 21, 2009 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

EYJ?

I’m missing a theme here

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matt Murton, Mike McCoy, Christian Colonel, Troy Tulowitzki, Seth Smith…..keep going?

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by frightenedinmate#2 on Aug 21, 2009 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, need to keep going

you’ve made your point. I just think that Q is not what we need right now, and I remember how Jamey was such a" go getter"— especially when he was going into base.

by butterfly on Aug 21, 2009 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

so the theme is "better than Q"

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the theme is "better than Q"

how does Fat Giambi fit? He’s not better. Not really. Not now, the roids have worn off and he’s brittle.

I’d take Q at .160 before I’d take Fat Giambi at .197.

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by Mondogarage on Aug 21, 2009 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You do understand park effects, right?

Also the difference between leagues, both the AL and the NL and the MLB and the PCL.

Look, I don’t think I’m going to convince you because it looks like you’ve got a pretty big Giambi bias, but the move isn’t nearly as bad as you’re making it sound.

by Rox Girl on Aug 21, 2009 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

provided we're only paying him the prorated league min

there’s no reason not to, I guess.

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, never mind

My theme was Alliteration is Fun!

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by frightenedinmate#2 on Aug 21, 2009 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, don't expect me to have meaningful input

Nearing the end of the first week back at work after a week and a half off, having been sick, but still plowing through a lot of stuff, and waiting anxiously for 7:10

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by frightenedinmate#2 on Aug 21, 2009 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

that'd work alright

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where's the Giambi tip coming from again?

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by Bryce on Aug 21, 2009 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

some troll from Athletics Nation

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah. Thanks.

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on Aug 21, 2009 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great write up PF.

You’ve got these down to an art-form.

"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill

by Bryce on Aug 21, 2009 2:57 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm....a team claimed Wagner on waivers today

Please let it be the Rockies, please let it be the Rockies, please let it be the Rockies…..

by bballrox4717 on Aug 21, 2009 3:44 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

3.5M? I don't know....

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he's as sharp as it's reported

I’m totally down based on skill alone

but again, 3.5M is an awful pile for 6 weeks of Billy Wagner

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I watched him pitch in the Mets game last night

He was hitting 96 and nobody was touching his slider.

by bballrox4717 on Aug 21, 2009 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

So I hear

like I said, skill = hell yes

$$$ = hell….no? maybe?

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

SI.com says 2.7

But still…

I'll have another beer, please.

by rockhead on Aug 21, 2009 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The one thing I'm wondering is

if the Mets are just looking for a salary dump for some value. If it isn’t a salary dump (which it probably is), I wonder if the Rockies will trade Torrealba to them (The Mets did offer him an expensive contract, right) along with a relief prospect.

by bballrox4717 on Aug 21, 2009 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it's a true Rios-style salary dump

then the Rockies probably aren’t interested in him

by bballrox4717 on Aug 21, 2009 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't imagine this late in the season

and with Iannetta’s bat slumping (relatively), I can’t imagine they’d lose a clubhouse guy like Torrealba, especially given this season’s misfortune.

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, you're right on Torrealba, he ain't going anywhere

Even if Paul Phillips was so excellent with us :P

It’s almost definitely a salary dump.

by bballrox4717 on Aug 21, 2009 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh baseball wise

and just business, hell yes Paul Phillips, we’re on the same page there. But can you imagine the fan fallout?

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

What fan fallout?

I always thought they liked Phillips, and if the Rockies paid up for Wagner, they would be going nuts (the happy kind) and all Monforts-jokes would subside until a future Hawpe trade.

by bballrox4717 on Aug 21, 2009 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

But Torrealba led us to the World Series!

And how can those heartless penny pinchers cut him, after such a trying season for him and his family?!

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, he would finally be starting again with the Mets

He had 1 big home run for us. Big whoop, our pitching killed the Dbacks in that series.

“heartless penny pinchers”? They would’ve had one of the formally best closers in baseball (before his injury, and he’s still really good) for couple million!

by bballrox4717 on Aug 21, 2009 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stark said the Rockies might be interested...

I’d imagine this would be a Rios type of situation where the Mets just let him go for nothing and pocket the money.

by Rox Girl on Aug 21, 2009 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not the Phillies

http://twitter.com/ToddZolecki/status/3458952594

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

But apparently the Sox want him

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2009/08/sox_interested_3.html

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sox are 27th on the waivers list

It would take a lot of teams passing in order for them to get Wagner, as the only teams in front are the Yankees and Angels.

The Phillies getting Wagner would’ve made sense with him, though my money is on the Cubs wanting him.

by bballrox4717 on Aug 21, 2009 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah frock

It’s the Red “we need every good player that’s out there” Sox who claimed him.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9966794/Source:-Mets%27-Wagner-claimed-off-waivers-by-BoSox

That was the last team I wanted Wagner to go to. I freaking hate them so much.

by bballrox4717 on Aug 21, 2009 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

fffffffffffffffffffffffff

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

If any NL team claimed him

it would’ve been the Cubs or Phillies, both of which won’t impact our season (until October in the Phillies case). If the Giants, Braves, or Marlins, I would’ve been concerned, but the Marlins can’t afford him, the Braves don’t really need him, and neither do the Giants.

by bballrox4717 on Aug 21, 2009 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

's okay....

You can just post them over at McCovey Chronicles, apparently…

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by Mondogarage on Aug 21, 2009 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, I just have to share this

http://www.foodgeekery.com/reviews/double-down-with-kfc/

If Coors Field sold these, they’d need wider seats…

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by Mondogarage on Aug 21, 2009 4:13 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

someone just showed me this in IRC

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The tragic part is...

…I want one. Like, right now.

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by Mondogarage on Aug 21, 2009 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

you don't want to end up all fat like me, do you

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um, you should have made that suggestion...

….about 40 pounds ago. ;-)

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by Mondogarage on Aug 21, 2009 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

what park was it

that sold the bacon cheeseburger with KK donuts instead of a bun?

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by frightenedinmate#2 on Aug 21, 2009 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no idea, but they may become my new 2nd favorite team

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by Mondogarage on Aug 21, 2009 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gateway Grizzlies in IL

looks like an independent team. Link

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by frightenedinmate#2 on Aug 21, 2009 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

"I want to go to there"

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by Mondogarage on Aug 21, 2009 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

for 30 Rock reference.

President of the Don Draper fan club.

by jcd823 on Aug 21, 2009 5:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Monster Nachos are bad enough

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 21, 2009 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Monster Nachos are delicious.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 21, 2009 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

This sounds like the middle of a+b=c.

Bad enough are delicious.

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by Bryce on Aug 21, 2009 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

San Francisco Giants:

Your end is nigh.

"Good is not good when better is expected." -Vin Scully
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