Wednesday Rockpile: Rockies Fever Goes National
by Jeff Aberle on Aug 26, 2009 7:58 AM MDT
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PrintWell, in light of their second straight extra innings victory, this one bringing them within two games of the NL West lead, the Colorado Rockies are being veritably showered with national attention.
For the second straight day, the Rockies dominated the news at the major online sports sites, with another feature in ESPN's BBTN by Peter Gammons lauding the pitching staff and calling Spilborghs' slam the "best home run moment this season". CBSSports' Larry Dobrow is now a Rockies fan.
Meanwhile, ITR writer Tracy Ringolsby writes about the secret to the Rockies' success on Fox Sports. Particularly worthy in Ringolsby's eyes is Ubaldo Jimenez--a theme that others are latching on to more and more.
In response to Jimenez's fine performance against Tim Lincecum, several analysts have weighed in on his ace-status. ESPN's Rob Neyer doesn't think he's there (but still compliments his work), while Fangraphs' Dave Golebiewski crowns him an ace. Keith Law also adds his scouting report.
Disciplinary Action for Umpires, Players?
These articles from Fox Sports and the Denver Post examine the possibility of disciplinary action taken by MLB for both the umpires and some Rockies players (Torrealba and Tulowitzki most prominently) for their actions in Monday night's thrilling win over the Giants. If MLB suspends or fines either Rockie, it would be an overreaction and a travesty for all involved.
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Josh Fogg will make his first start as a Rockie since Rocktober 2007 in a crucial game for the club. If the Rockies can beat Randy Wolf and the Dodgers with Fogg, they will guarantee a series victory and will at least in some respects demoralize their opponents.
Lost in the shuffle a little bit was Eric Young, Jr making his big league debut (replacing the injured Dexter Fowler) and getting his first hit.
True Blue LA: Rockies Draw First Blood; Loney Fail, Rockies Prevail
Rockies Playoff Odds: BP has the Rockies at 80% to reach the playoffs, 19% to win the division (PECOTA odds 75/28, ELO 83/33). Coolstandings has the Rockies at 74/24. Here are the Rockies' chances graphically. This shows that even if the Rockies play .500 ball (18-18, which would give them a 90-72 record), they would make the playoffs two thirds of the time.
LA Times: Game Recap, Dodger Thoughts, TJ Simers writes about Jim Tracy
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idk if it was mentioned here over the last 2 days
but supposedly the 2nd base ump used derogatory words at Yorvit the other night when he was on 2nd after yorvy was going at it with Angel Campos behind the plate all night about calls…yorvit could be suspended and something may be done to 2B ump Miller…douchebagg
Troy Renck just said that on ESPN first take…that was my source…but some people might of known that already…idk if you did so i’m just going to post it anyway.
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
"TuLoRocks2008 had the most comments I've seen in any game thread this year (322)...Can such a feat be eclipsed?" ..... Bring it on!!
I've got to give props to Yorvit
Despite the massive pile of crap he has had to go threw this year, he did not go all Milton Bradley when this happened. He had the nerves to allow the game to end and then deal with the problem.
It shouldn’t hurt too terribly much if he is suspended. He can appeal, which will allow him to play until the league settles on the length. By then, we should be in September and have a backup already on the roster.
However, these instances were umpires are interfering with the game has been increasing a lot lately. It’s a disturbing trend.
amsuingly enough, Bradley is already complaining
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 26, 2009 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions
I liked the comment
dude needs help… someone call Jeff Kent
by RoxnSox09 on Aug 26, 2009 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good morning Mr. Wolf
Meet
"If you're going to be stupid, you'd better be tough."
by Rawktober on Aug 26, 2009 8:11 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Not to let my nerd show
but….this picture is even obscure enough I don’t know it. Video game art? I’m going to go with a Dragonslayer of some kind…..hair looks Japanese, but so much art now is influence by them now…I can’t say.
So…help a brother out……what is this?
Googled a dragon slayer
Apparently from a role play book called “Dragon Elf”
"If you're going to be stupid, you'd better be tough."
What's the deal?
The Tulo picture at the top of this post was captured last night as he was running down the first base line, pointing into the Rockies dugout. After the run reached home, the first person Tulo seemed to high five was Fogg. I’d love to know what the backstory there was. Did Tulo win a bet?
"If you're going to be stupid, you'd better be tough."
maybe because he saved Fogg being able to start tomorrow
I know Herges would have gone at least another inning, but beyond that Fogg would have had to come in and a roster move would have been made today. Fogg may have been joke jawing about it during the inning.
I was wondering about that too.
I didn’t see anything in the post-game interviews where he said who he was pointing at, but maybe I missed something. I was very curious what it was all about.
Do we know he wasn't pointing at Spilly?
As if to say, “I can do that too”
I very much like that sportsclubstats site
I had not seen it before, and it is now in my faves
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 26, 2009 8:45 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I like the plot of games above .500.
It dropped early, then flattened into a slow descent, and then suddenly rocketed upward. Pretty sweet way to see the season. By the way, what was our record on June 3? It seems like maybe I should know this.
20-32
Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
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Followed by 52-22
That’s pretty awesome in any book.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
by Mondogarage on Aug 26, 2009 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
I like that it gives the odds of the specific W/L outcomes,
Rather than just one vague projected number and that it goes into the details of how that relates to the rest of the league. The Rockies have a really solid shot of finishing with exactly 95 wins for instance (better than 1 in 10) and if they do win that many there’s a 13% chance that it will be enough to win HFA throughout the playoffs or that we’re as likely to finish with 95 wins as we are to finish with anything less than 89.
Holy Smoking Crap
That was the first time that I had seen that site as well, and it make my head ‘asplode. Pretty cool. I like the section where they run simulations and split it out based upon all the different possible Rockies records the rest of the way. There’s a huge drop-off in chances for the playoffs between 92 wins and 91 wins, and then equally big dropoffs between 91 and 90 and 90 and 89. The positive thing about that is that the Rox would have to go worse than .500 the rest of the way to drop below a 50% chance to make the p-offs.
Also, they have a 2.5x better chance of going 35-1 than 1-35. That’s something.
Just as a reminder
If you want to post just a “+1” or “haha” or something of that nature, click “Actions” and then “Rec” rather than just posting the low-content comment.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 26, 2009 8:46 AM MDT reply actions 3 recs
haw haw
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 26, 2009 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions
it's funny
that the +1 comment on not making +1 comments is green now
by Redhawk on Aug 26, 2009 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
How ironic
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 26, 2009 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions
Why green?
Why not make them purple?
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
by rockieprogress on Aug 26, 2009 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think it's an SBNation-wide setting.
Plus links are purple already. Green is sort of our off-kilter alt color though!
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 26, 2009 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm fully on-board with using the Rec function...
But does someone want to clear up board guideline on using it in addition to, or instead of the “+1”, or “Rec’d”?
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Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I was only able to watch the first two innings.
How was EY in center? I guess if there were any major gaffes I would have read about them, but just checking.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 26, 2009 9:04 AM MDT reply actions
He only had a couple of balls hit too him
nothing really tough. One fly ball out that was right to his depth and a little to his left, one single in front of him.
Ok I was at the game yesterday
and got to be there for Eric Young Jr’s Debut.
Pioneer Skies, yesterday wanted to know what I thought yesterday on EY2’s call up. I was in the field working, and not near a computer. (I don’t have one of those fancy interweb in my dick tracy watches phones , like you punk kids have…yet).
I’m excited to see the kid at the major league level. It’s going to be an adjustment, as AAA seems to be further away from the bigs, then I can ever remember. AND he’s playing out of position in CF..
My first thought was…..the organization is really thin on positional prospects in the upper levels. I’m happy to see EY2…but really would have like to see a CF’er. But if he can make the adjustment, it will go along way in EY2 taking the Chone Figgins career path. EY2 has tons of speed! Holy Cow he almost ran out a routine grounder to short! When he got thrown out, everyone, and I mean even the 14 year old pack of boys behind me knew that EY2 was going to run. I could tell he was having a tough time catching up to the big league pitches. They don’t have talent like Kershaw in AAA.
But…..I think we saw the debut of a future All-Star. (assuming he can adjust and catch up to those 95 mph heaters and 87 mph hard sliders). It was a good debut all in all.
by Redhawk on Aug 26, 2009 9:18 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
oh forgot a poing
EY2…is wearing #3. I know #2 is Tulo’s…but it seems to me that EY2 should be 2…just saying.
I wouldn't mind
I don’t really like having a SS #2.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 26, 2009 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions
no way
tulo is 2lo…
if EYjr ever gets remotely close to tulo’s level – they can talk about it..
maybe….
I was impressed
by his speed as well. The kid can fly. Folks all around me were talking about it. Speed is one of those things you can’t really gauge watching on TV – you really have to see a player live to appreciate it.
I'll have another beer, please.
hahaha dick tracy watch
that is excellent
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 26, 2009 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions
Ok so weirdly
I had dream last night that Russ and Rox Girl were presenting a baseball magazine TV programme. Russ looked like Ben Affleck, while RG had a newscaster power-bob and looked a bit like a young Sybill Shepherd. Both were ultra-polished, totally pro, and the show was high-sheen, high quality stuff.
And when Russ went off on a Star Wars tangent
what did the director do?
No records in the last 10 years should count.
Force lightning-ed
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by Russ Oates on Aug 26, 2009 10:16 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I find that the
Force choke is much more effective. With the force lightning, they can still scream and whine in an annoying tone (see Return of the Jedi), but with the force choke, no air, no sound, no bleeding ears! Silence truly is golden.
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by Chupathingy on Aug 26, 2009 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Dreaming about Russ and Rox Girl is strange
I’ve done that too. Sigh.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 26, 2009 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions
HA
I haven’t!
HA!
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 26, 2009 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions
/disturbed
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I think you were only mentioned in conversation
I don’t remember seeing you in the dream. Just RG. But we already went down that road, and I’m reminded every time Resolution posts
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 26, 2009 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions
"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln
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sorry about that...
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 26, 2009 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions
So, I know there has to be a story behind this
Does anyone know where those of us who don’t know it yet can read? OR would anyone care to write a short summery here?
by realmenwearpurple on Aug 26, 2009 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions
http://www.purplerow.com/2009/2/10/755227/rockies-invite-prospects-t#12117123
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That was a grammar nightmare.
Not as good as other Simers’ columns at all. I wonder if he realizes Clint Barmes is leading NL 2B in XBH and has 21 HR, two off the team lead and more than any Dodger save Ethier
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 26, 2009 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions
I thought it was awful
what a mess – like Woodhead
"If you're going to be stupid, you'd better be tough."
I didn't know
that Tracy considered not taking the job when it was offered to him
It would make sense
As he said, this would likely be his last gig if they didn’t win.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 26, 2009 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Ugg
I’ve said this after reading Woodies Fwhee column, and I will say it now after reading that garbage.
No wonder the newspaper industry is dieing.
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yea, that was absolutely horrible
i wonder how many times that guy has rallied against bloggers that write ten times better than him and probably make a tenth of the money.
by Narcoleptico on Aug 26, 2009 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
we get paid?!
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 26, 2009 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Quiet you.
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sorry mr russ
please don’t beat me
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 26, 2009 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions
That was one of the worst articles I've ever read
He never completed thoughts, he didn’t reveal anything we didn’t know already, it was just terrible
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 26, 2009 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
now you see
why I think its kinda funny when folks around here start getting excited for Simers stuff. He’s a bitter, bitter hack. He’s one of those sportswriters that clearly dislikes sports and those who are involved. 99% of his stuff is just self-aggrandizing nonsense at the expense of players/managers/owners. Sure, like everyone, sometimes he hits a mark. But what you saw today was pretty standard for his stuff.
And I agree with the post above re explaining the demise of newspapers. Sure, ESPN and TV in general is not filling the void with quality content, but rather blogs like this one where real fans can get good info and commentary outside of the “controversy for controversy’s sake/buzz” world of more generalized media. Viva la revolucion.
But the real death of the Newspapers
is the internet not only provides more information, and more directed information on particular topic (like Rockies baseball for example) it also is for the most part….free.
I’ve had a daily newspaper for a long time. I like to read the paper with my coffee and breakfast. Great way to get my mind going. But when the renewal came, last month, I just couldn’t pay $ 123 for a year,(which is a lot higher then the 50-something it was when there were 2 papers in town) when I can get more information for free. Once I get one of them fancy portable Computa’s with that fancy hi-fi, I can read information anywhere.
Now if the actual hard copy newspaper was free….or very cheap I be still getting it.
(I still miss the Sunday paper, to no end)
Once I get one of them fancy portable Computa’s with that fancy hi-fi, I can read information anywhere.
this made me laugh
Also, can’t you get just the Sunday edition?
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 26, 2009 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
NO
You can get the Sat AND Sunday for the low low price of $32.96 for 52 weeks. Or for Thursday thru Sunday for $38.99 per year. (don’t even ask for Friday through Monday, like the Rocky had!…I mean who wants to read the NFL recaps on a Monday morning). Or you can get 3 more days for the entire week for only…um….$123. which makes all that Mon, Tues, Wed, news….really freaking expensive.
Or again….it’s free on the interweb. And get this….I can read like papers from all over on the internet!
(and I made you laugh twice today! I’m on a roll!)
LA is a bit worse
Times can only be weekly, Sunday only, or Thurs-Sun. Since I only read Sat/Sun at home, it sucks that I have to get Thurs-Fri cluttering my recycle bin never opened. I’ve even called and said I’d pay Thurs-Sun prices but told them just not to deliver Thurs-Fri but they won’t. Unreal.
Newspapers have one thing going for them
Teams give them access to their staff, players, and facilities. Most bloggers are left looking through the fences :(
"If you're going to be stupid, you'd better be tough."
Have you check
out blog.sbnation.com? SB Nation is slowly changing that, because of the model we have implemented. Find another blog network like ours that has the backers like ours that believe in what we’re doing.
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Are Denver pro teams providing press credentials to many bloggers?
"If you're going to be stupid, you'd better be tough."
the guru at milehighreport
Got a press pass to the nfl draft
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 26, 2009 12:21 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I never
stated Denver was, just that things are changing. But if the Denver teams do start providing press credentials and other stuff to bloggers, well that cold day in hell is fast approaching.
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I hope they do change
Love the content and quality of writing here. Just imagine if they let you guys behnd the velvet ropes! I think they will figure that out…eventually.
"If you're going to be stupid, you'd better be tough."
honestly though
why do blogs need press credentials? So you can get a bunch of boring quotes from players/managers that litter newspaper coverage? I’m sure some inside info is always good, but blogs seem to be best when they are more objective and analytical of actual on-field stuff while occasionally delving into the personality issues. But if blogs get access, they could be subject to the same “my guy” corruption that sags down the dailys.
shotgun
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 26, 2009 11:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Thats part of it
but I really do think people will still buy newspapers. People pay for sites like BA and BP and espn Insider. If the product is good people don’t mind paying money to read it.
If I had to fork down money to read a bunch of Woodie Page articles, I think the money could be spent better on my BA subscription instead.
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Ubaldo(best pitcher no one knows) and Street (Arbitration talk) gets a mention on Passan’s 10 degrees
Did anyone catch ShysterBall recaps this morning?
The Rockies-Dodgers recap was simply the steps for performing the Heimlich Maneuver.
LA Times coverage of Rox
http://www.latimes.com/sports/
I live in San Diego and subscribe to the LA Times. Greeting me, on this morning’s sports page, was a lovely large photo of Smiling Tulo and Yorvit celebrating. Off in the corner, was a tiny pic of a very sad Turtle.
This started my day off quite nicely!!
The link above shows a different pic that the print version, but it has a pic of Tulo and Tracy hugging :)
Ahhh…how things have changed :)
Tracy re: Morales starting
I read somewhere that Tracy said Morales won’t be starting any time soon, because he doesn’t have the stamina. Is he just referring to this season? Because I would really like to see Morales back in the rotation. I can see how he might not want Morales to take Cook’s starts, but when I imagine a 2010 rotation of Jimenez-Marquis-Morales-Cook-De la Rosa, I start to drool. (Fill in Chacin and Francis wherever you want.)
Morales starting
I really don’t think we are going to see Morales back in the rotation…. this year…. or next… or after that. His velocity has spiked to 97-98 MPH, whereas when he was starting it was in the 90-93 range. He loses focus at times when he starts as well. It really seems this one-two inning work, come in and throw strikes and throw em hard thing is really working perfectly and maximizing his talent. Good question though…
Next year, I see rotation candidates being Jimenez (obviously a lock), Cook (lock), De la Rosa (highly probable lock), Hammel, Smith, Francis, Chacin, Rogers, Hynick. And whatever depth the Rockies bring in via FA. Marquis is probably gone unfortunately, it will be tough for the Rockies if a team like the Mets offers him 3 years at $10 mil per.
Yeah, I was unsure with Marquis.
I guess I felt that Morales’ potential could be maximized in the rotation. How was he doing in the minors before being called up? I thought he’d been doing well as a starter there, and the results from ‘07 seemed good. He seemed like a guy who could turn a corner at some point, a la George of the Rose. Either way, it looks like we’ve got some pretty good pitching for the foreseeable future.
I would add
Greg Reynolds in this list as well. Injuries have killed him the past couple of years, and while he should have never been drafted before the two L’s, all sources at the time did think he was high (5-15) first round talent.
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only reason I didn't add Reynolds
is he is going to come off an injury where he basically missed the whole season. His situation is a little different than Smith and Francis because they have spent an extended amount of time in the big leagues, whereas Reynolds has made only a handful of starts. He’s going to need some time in AAA to show he is truly healthy. I read somewhere the Rockies are completely revamping Reynolds mechanics as well, so they will probably want to see how he adjusts and holds up.
That's fair.
Reynolds is probably the least likely starter on our roster to make the team out of ST next season.
by Greg Stanwood on Aug 26, 2009 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Morales simply isn't stretched out anymore.
He’s been in the pen for a while now, never throwing more than 40 pitches in an outing. He could probably still give 3 innings in an emergency, but that’s not enough for a starter.
Plus, with our lack of bullpen depth in the organization right now, and a surge of starting depth, I think Morales is likely a reliever for good at this point with the success he’s had there. If Francis arrives in ST with struggles, they may consider changing that, but otherwise, Morales is probably in the pen again. He likes it there, we like him there, and we need him there.
Marquis signing again with us is up in the air. Jimenez and Cook obviously have spots in the rotation, and I’ll bet DLR is there again too. Francis has a spot reserved for him, meaning if he’s healthy, he’s there. Obviously, if he isn’t, something else will have to be done. If Francis is healthy, we have one free spot, which is filled either by Marquis or someone else (Chacin? Hammel?), which is why if Francis is out, it’s more likely Morales gets another look at the starter, but even then, it’s not necessarily likely.
by Greg Stanwood on Aug 26, 2009 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions
I see no reason why Hammel shouldn't be in the rotation next year
by bballrox4717 on Aug 26, 2009 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Far more talented players upcoming and fighting for spots.
by Greg Stanwood on Aug 26, 2009 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions
hmmmmm
I’m not sure I’d agree with that statement? Morales is pretty damn talented…
yep
definitely agree with everything you said, especially the last sentence, second paragraph. Great way to put it. Morales has stated he loves pitching out of the pen because you never know when/if they are going to need you that particular day. And as Tracy stated, Morales as a starting pitcher would probably need somebody to help him in later innings, and that somebody would be himself.
Tracy also had some comments a week or two ago stating that the plan is for Francis to hit the ground running when spring comes around, hoepefully that’s the case.
An arm that might hit FA and, in the event Marquis leaves, would be an interesting (IMO intriguing) option…. Brandon Webb. Maybe on an incentive based deal? That would be a nice way to fill out the rotation provided he is healthy (Uball, Cook, DLR, Francis, Webb?).
If Webby hits FA
there’ll be enough teams willing to pay solid money + incentives so that there’s no way we’ll land him.
Much as I’d LOVE to have him.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 26, 2009 11:09 PM MDT up reply actions
You mean not even next year?
you mean guys in the pen never become starters? Ever?
Obviously this is not correct. It only takes about 3 to 4 outings to stretch a pitcher out and build up their arm strength. And that can easily be done in Spring Training, or in winter ball….or in the back room of Coors in the winter..
Morales has had great success in the pen…..but would he serve the team better as a starter or a reliever is the real question. Personally I’d rather have him as a starter, as they pitch far more innings. The Rockies have other options for LOOGY’s in the system.
Morales is more than a LOOGY out of the pen though
he has the potential to be a proper eighth inning guy in the bullpen, and if the Rockies don’t pick up Betancourt’s option and with Bucky up in the air he could very well find himself there next year.
I agree with the point about starting pitchers being more valuable, but as others point out, his stuff seems much better coming out of the bullpen for 10-20 pitches a night rather than an extended outings. He might prove us wrong in ST next year though
They really don't
Morales isn’t a LOOGY, first off, but somebody just beat me to saying this.
Secondly, even if he were, he’d be our best – and our organizational options consist of Adam Bright and Matthew Reynolds, neither of whom have ever thrown a pitch above AA.
I think you’ve got to leave Morales where he is. If we could get drastically greater value out of him in the rotation right this second, that’s a different story – but right now he’s our third best reliever and has basically been lights out with the exception of that Tatis grand slam.
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I agree and don't
I should clarify, that while Morales is FAR more than a Loogy, his role would be replaced next year by Corpas, and a LOOGY type.
I think Morales FUTURE really is up to Morales. If he likes the pen, and wants to stay there he looks like he could be a dominate set up guy, and future closer. (can I by the way, point, out, that Morales would be a dominate pen arm when he was put there this year, and others were worried about his mental toughness, and wildness?).
However if he would rather be a starter, I think he could be a dominate starter as well. I’m not sure Ubaldo dominate, as that’s pretty rare air, but a solid #2 or 3 starter. I think it’s a matter of what he wants. And hopefully a manager that will allow him to do what he wants to do, and fills in the other spot.
As for THIS year, Morales is in the pen. I don’t think it would take long to stretch him out if needed, but why go through that (season IS running short now, and 3 starts would be 20 days) when any emergency could be filled with Chacin or one of the other minor league starting prospects. Now I think if Morales as stretched out, he would be better in the starting role now then say Chacin (or others) But right now Fogg just needs to go twice, and Chacin can start.
For future reference, it's dominant...
I’d really like Morales back in the rotation next year, simply because he’s one of the Rockies’ top five pitchers IMO. The rotation is where a team’s top five pitchers should be.
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I still think he's just too in his own head
in terms of rationing out his “stuff” over 6 innings. Morales in the rotation just seems too diluted.
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by Andrew Martin on Aug 26, 2009 11:11 PM MDT up reply actions
"you mean guys in the pen never become starters? Ever?"
What? How the heck did you draw that conclusion from what I said?
I never said Morales COULDN’T become a starter, just that he has found a home in the pen, and is likely to stay there,.
Ah, rereading my post, I see where the confusion arose.
When I was talking about Morales not being stretched out anymore, I meant that as a reason why he can’t start RIGHT NOW. Later on, I had switched to talking about Morales’ future as a whole, which I think lies in the pen, and not in the rotation unless we have at least two spots in the rotation vacant in Spring 2010.
by Greg Stanwood on Aug 26, 2009 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Opening story is the Rockies on Outside the Lines, on right now
(in the East)
if you're reading this, it means my undying support for your team will result in its failure.
Um...
why was I thinking that EY Jr. had already made his big league debut?
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Probably because of READ and LEARN man
He convinced us all that EYJ was Neo and would save the Rox from destruction by the machin…Dodgers.
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by ShadowPenguin on Aug 26, 2009 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Dbacks Skins failed to "Read and Learn"
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I don't
even know who that is.
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-Pygalgia
blamb something
Some troll who joined, went off on a couple rants about Clint Barmes and EYJ, yelled at anyone who disagreed with him, and I assume was quickly banned. He had a couple Fanposts up, one of them called READ and LEARN, not sure if they got deleted or not.
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by ShadowPenguin on Aug 26, 2009 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Ooooh!
Yeah, I remember them now. Typed in stilted English, didn’t really understand baseball, etc.
"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
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Now,
I’m REALLY confused.
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Good.
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Haha
The same guy, when politely asked to use the reply link (rather than starting a new thread every time), responded with that.
Ah.
I was afraid I had done something terribly wrong.
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Similiar to
That guy who completely freaked out when someone mention the “Hitler wants Seth Smith to play” spoof on Youtube. He was nuts.
Whats different between the reply button or just typing in the box without it
Sorry don’t post often enough on here to know.
Reply button
puts your reply indented below the person you reply to.
Just typing in the box at the bottom puts your response to the left, which makes it confusing as to who you’re replying to.
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by ShadowPenguin on Aug 26, 2009 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions
thats not true ur an idiot LOLZ!!!!
(See? Wouldn’t this comment make much more… well, a little bit more sense, if I had replied, rather than simply posting another comment?)
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