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Thursday Rockpile: One in every five Colorado Rockies starters could be harmful to your health

 

Addressing the Elephant

 

It's not this one:

Nor is it the one whose former Little League team got eliminated yesterday.

Nope, it would be whoever's going to fill the rotation slot currently occupied by one former slayer of dragons, current non-slayer of wolves:

So what are our options? Try Fogg or Jhoulys Chacin again? Adam Eaton? Russ Ortiz? These are all either the unready or the undesirable. Skip the fifth start altogether for as long as possible? Okay, that last idea suggested by Tracy Ringolsby certainly has some merit. Delaying a decision in this case should prove to be the most beneficial to the Rockies, and get us a little bit closer to a point where hopefully Aaron Cook can come back and rescue us.

Teekalong described the Cook injury as the elephant in the room yesterday, the big obvious issue nobody wants to talk about, and while this is somewhat true, losing rotation pieces is also a part of the long season that invariably comes up with both contender and non-contender alike. The Dodgers right now are missing Hiroki Kuroda, for instance, and their issues have led them to sign Vicente Padilla to fill in today. Beyond that, their fifth slot has been a revolving door all season, currently occupied by knuckler Charlie Haeger. It's an issue, but it's an issue that if the Rockies are a serious playoff team that they'll be able to work around.

Of his time in with the last-place Nationals, he said, "You don't really have anything to play for. It's that kind of atmosphere where you have to find a reason to come to the field."

I'll have more about today's Jorge De La Rosa start in a litle bit with the game thread, but the good news is that the Rockies still have a pretty decent shot of winning the series despite yesterday's somewhat expected loss. It does add pressure for this afternoon, however, as the Rockies have yet to win a series against the Dodgers this year, and if we have any ideas of beating this team in the playoffs, they need show that it could, in fact, happen before then. In a sense, we're in the exact same position the Giants found themselves in Monday: three games behind with one crucial chance to make it two or fail and head to San Francisco four games back. 

 

Denver Post

 

Garrett Atkins shows up on a top five list of players who let pitches go deep into the strike zone before contact was made, a statistic that backs up the declining bat speed many of us have observed with him. This data was pulled from early in the season, so it could be that he's no longer among the slowest in the majors to get his bat to the ball, but it's not a good sign nonetheless. 

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Brad Penny was released....

Last night, Brad Penny requested and received his release from the Red Sox. Word is he will try to latch on to a National League contender. We’ve had interest in the past. Just sayin’.

by GoRoxGo on Aug 27, 2009 8:49 AM MDT reply actions  

http://www.purplerow.com/2009/8/26/1003881/rockies-1-dodgers-6-rockies-stop#20287086

Just sayin’

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 27, 2009 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

What other NL teams are contending?

He’s probably not welcome back in LA, he was sort of a Padilla-light type of figure there from what I heard. San Francisco could use a starter instead of Joe Martinez, I guess they’re a possibility. Philly’s got some depth right now, I doubt it would be them, probably not St. Louis or Atlanta. Florida maybe? I don’t know what they have at the bottom of their staff right now and they can’t really afford to add parts usually anyway, but he did come up in that system.

Really, the two best options for him in that NL contender scenario would be the Rox or Giants. I know the team didn’t want to go too hard after him in the winter because of uncertainty over his health and the worry he might not be good for the clubhouse, and the thought he might be too expensive for the risks involved, but we do need a starter right now.

by Rox Girl on Aug 27, 2009 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

how strange to be thinking like this at this point in the season

rather than just “eh, we’re 94 games back. Just call up Alan Johnson.”

(why can’t I get off of this Alan Johnson kick, he’s terrible)

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 27, 2009 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

If Johnson ever does get a regular season start

you’ll die laughing.

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Aug 27, 2009 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Padilla light?

Really? I thought the problem with him wasn’t that teammates didn’t like him, it’s that he pitches like the million dollar arm/ten cent head type. He was said to be well-liked in the Boston clubhouse.

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Aug 27, 2009 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

In LA he skipped meetings or showed up late,

If they were interested in bringing him back, I think we would have heard of it by now.

by Rox Girl on Aug 27, 2009 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

and was perceived as fat and lazy

which contributed to, and exacerbated, his 2008 arm problems

"If you're going to be stupid, you'd better be tough."

by Rawktober on Aug 27, 2009 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the fat and lazy thing I've heard

When I hear “Padilla light” I’m thinking of a guy the other players hate. I have no doubt the Dodgers would think mighty hard if at all about bringing him back, and other teams might worry about that aspect, but he’s not a clubhouse cancer, at least as that term is normally used.

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Aug 27, 2009 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

hence the word light,

He’s not a cancer, but he wasconsidered a clubhouse head cold or something like it while in LA.

by Rox Girl on Aug 27, 2009 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

clubhouse swine flu

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 27, 2009 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

I guess that's an important difference to me

I don’t think I’m expressing myself well. If in past seasons, the staff and team was down on Penny because they felt he wasn’t doing enough to realize his potential, that’s one problem. A guy who has behavioral issues that distracts his teammates and draws their ire is another type of problem.

While LA might understandably want nothing to do with him due to past disappointments, the Rockies don’t really care whether he’s attained his potential. They just need him to be better than their alternatives the rest of the season. While he’s here, he’ll be a jolly old guy on the bench for a month. Whereas Padilla is risk for being a pain in the tuckus and causing problems like those in Texas.

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Aug 27, 2009 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think you're seeing that Penny was considered a distracting behavioral issue in LA

He was seen as a primadonna that was out for himself rather than the team, especially the last season, season and a half there, and it rankled a lot of the other players. I know he wasn’t like that in Boston, and I know that he feels a lot of the stuff that was said about him in LA was either exaggerated or blown out of proportion, but it’s not just a conditioning thing in his time in LA.

by Rox Girl on Aug 27, 2009 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

It would be hard to be worse than Fogg

If there’s a way to sign him, it would be interesting to see what would happen. particularly against some of the weaker teams will be facing at home.

by ddavis539 on Aug 27, 2009 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

okay, I'm backing off the Rogers bandwagon for September

That 6.85 ERA is ugly in AAA and he is getting knocked around a bit and walking guys….

by moomacher on Aug 27, 2009 9:00 AM MDT reply actions  

He'll have the benefit of a humidor in Coors,

But he definitely falls in the “unready” category I mentioned above.

by Rox Girl on Aug 27, 2009 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

They don't use the Humidor in the Springs?

Wouldn’t that skew the results of anyone that is brought up from there then? (ie Make Giambi look better than he is).

by ddavis539 on Aug 27, 2009 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Jon Garland

Had he pitched for a non-divisional team, would he be of interest? I’m presuming that the DBacks would demand a premium to deal him to us.

TGFPR!!

by jlot10 on Aug 27, 2009 9:06 AM MDT reply actions  

possibly

but I think the waiver wire will provide more that we don’t have to lose much talent for.

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 27, 2009 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

Give Jhoulys another shot.

It can’t go any worse than it did the first time. At least he looked composed while he was walking everyone, unlike the deer(wildly chewing gum)-in-headlights look the Foggster has when he’s walking everyone.

by 303chiefs on Aug 27, 2009 9:07 AM MDT reply actions  

Agreed, lets give Chacin another chance

I know he didn’t go deep and chewed up the pen last time but it was his 1st MLB start for crying out loud. He definitely wasn’t getting knocked around. Instead we go w/ Fogg who was having trouble w/ the strike zone and when he did find the zone it got pounded. As far as Fogg goes, I really like the guy, but he just doesn’t have much to get people out w/. Please skip the start or go w/ Chacin again.

It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.

by smokinRox on Aug 27, 2009 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well they had legit reasons for sending Chacin down.

Namely that they needed bullpen relief, stat. They also had legit reasons for choosing Fogg to start (namely that Eaton was our alternative.) But I’m firmly in the “Give Chacin another start” camp. And I am fully expecting/hoping this will happen sometime after the rosters expand in a few days.

by Justus on Aug 27, 2009 9:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think they did have legit reasons for sending him down

as you said we needed pen help. However, I think they could have went w/ Chacin last night. I do understand he didn’t look good in his 1st start and wanted to try someone else to see how it went. I had no problem giving Fogg a 1 game audition last night, but I think he has proven he doesn’t have much to get outs w/. He gave it all he had, and was a tough situation considering he hasn’t been stretched out and he was facing a good offense w/ serious implications. I think we saw what we needed to, and we should realize that we have to try something else and I am proposing giving Chacin another shot at it.

It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.

by smokinRox on Aug 27, 2009 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

Except he pitched in the springs on Sunday.

 60-something pitches, as I was informed by a couple of other people here more aware of that than I. And I agree 100% with everything else you said.

by Justus on Aug 27, 2009 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

They could have

especially since they moved Murton and brought up Rincon. The next time Fogg would start, is an off day…so you skip the him…..then the next time you need a starter in that spot will be AFTER the Sept 1st call ups, when you have Chacin back.

I’d go with Chacin or even Fogg actually. Fogg as pitched well out of the pen, and that was just one start, and his first one all year. He only gave up 4 hits last night when he left (granted all 3 were home runs). His next start would be Sept 5th against the D-backs at Coors (assuming next Monday is just skipped), so i’ts not like going against the team with the best record in the NL.

by Redhawk on Aug 27, 2009 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

Punt

Skip the start and see what develops. Things tend to change in a week or two.

As for developments, I think we should pass on Penny. I always thought the guy was awesome against us, but based on chatter over at mlbtraderumors, his fastball has no movement, and he is a one pitch pony – and a pain in the ass.

"If you're going to be stupid, you'd better be tough."

by Rawktober on Aug 27, 2009 9:10 AM MDT reply actions  

The Rockies are cropping up every where

Even on the Sean Hannitty Fox show from an interview last night:

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=8718614&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/

During this interview with Michelle Malkin, who was in Colorado for some reason, if you look at the background monitor on the left, the Rockies game is on that channel.

by ddavis539 on Aug 27, 2009 9:12 AM MDT reply actions  

that was yesterday

back to obscurity for us…until we win tonight

"If you're going to be stupid, you'd better be tough."

by Rawktober on Aug 27, 2009 9:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

hahaha that's so funny.

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by Hollidayrain on Aug 27, 2009 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Who says the Rockies don't get any national media attention??

I sh@t a brick when I saw it!

"DAMMIT! No, calm down. Learn to enjoy losing." --Hunter S. Thompson

by PioneerSkies on Aug 27, 2009 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

I forgot I was going to fanshot that

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 27, 2009 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yes you did.

I glossed over that. I decided to fanshot it when I saw it last night, but you got it covered :)

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 27, 2009 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Can somebody fan post

some of the goodness from the chat? I can’t get to it from work.

http://twitter.com/blakebomber

by BlakeBomber on Aug 27, 2009 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

We'll provide a recap....

Right now, the chat’s mostly focused on Penny, with Saunders saying the club’s definitely interested.

by Rox Girl on Aug 27, 2009 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

Chacin/Eaton/Ortiz/Penny/Garland

There has to be a better option out there, right?
Back me up, Pedalpusher!

"DAMMIT! No, calm down. Learn to enjoy losing." --Hunter S. Thompson

by PioneerSkies on Aug 27, 2009 10:13 AM MDT reply actions  

If only Jason Jennings was the pitcher he was before.

Interesting that it’s two former Rockies (or at least former farmhands) involved in that transaction with JJ and Strop.

by Rox Girl on Aug 27, 2009 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, saw that and was about to post it.

Old Rockies out for new Rockies in. Except… not on the Rockies.

by Greg Stanwood on Aug 27, 2009 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

blugh, Jennings is awful anymore

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by Andrew Martin on Aug 27, 2009 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

Injuries

really ruined him fast. Sad

by Redhawk on Aug 27, 2009 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Pedalpusher can back me up about him too!

…and besides, anyone with the initials J.J. has to be awesome, right? ;-)

"DAMMIT! No, calm down. Learn to enjoy losing." --Hunter S. Thompson

by PioneerSkies on Aug 27, 2009 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

You know it.

There is some amazing mojo in the letter J.

by Justus on Aug 27, 2009 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

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