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The Jose Contreras Acquisition: Why this trade is better than it looks

In play: Old

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In play: Old

Last night, the Rockies traded AAA starter Brandon Hynick to the White Sox for Cash and Jose Contreras.

At first glance, this trade looks pretty rough. Trading a 24-year-old starter who was close to hitting the majors for a 37-year-old headcase who even Ozzie Guillen, the embodiment of patience with players, had given up on.

So let's analyze the trade.

There are a couple of ways to look at this trade. We can look at the numbers, or what it means to the organization.

So let's look at the latter first. The Rockies' MO is build an organization through drafting, prospects, you get the idea. Sure, we broke a few eggs and a made a late-inning omelet in the form of Rafael Betancourt and Joe Beimel. The eggs weren't anything mindblowing, I'll admit, but the point is we dealt from a position of strength and fortified a position of weakness in the competing Major League club.

But for Jose Contreras? What a joke! The guy is like 80 and has an ERA of 5.42 and a 5-13 record! What a bum!

Well, W-L records are fun, and pretty much meaningless anyhow, so let's toss that out just for the time being. His ERA isn't great, but we've brought up other metrics by which we can judge pitching performances, so let's look at those.

Contreras is carrying a 1.98 K/BB at the moment. It's a shade below AL average, but that's a good start. He's striking out 6.99 batters per 9 innings, just a shade above average. That's good. He's getting a 48.3% GB% - not great, but better than DLR and Hammel.

Contreras may have an ERA of 5.42, but that's not where the story ends for him. The White Sox aren't a team really known for their defense (unless of course Mark Buerhle is pitching) and Contreras isn't Tim Lincecum. In fact, Contreras' high-ish ERA is being countered with a FIP of 4.12 - just a shade above the Rockies' team line of 4.00 (good for 5th in the majors, I might add), suggesting that there's a lot going wrong for Contreras this season, in the form of bad defense, unlucky spots, wind, the sun, birds, Zeus, you get the idea. This idea is further reinforced by tRA, which puts Contreras at a 3.81 with 15.7 pRAA - or a win-and-a-half added by his lonesome. While that tRA is unadjusted, it is better in its raw form than DLR, Hammel, Cook, and Marquis. If you need a refresher on pitching metrics, we ran one last week.

Now I don't mean to paint this all daisies and roses. Contreras IS old and is hardly the pitcher he was in yesteryears. Much as I'd like to hang my hat on Contreras' FIP and tRA, the high ERA is still a bit disconcerting. For those comfortable with BABIP and LOB%, he's giving up a BABIP 20 points higher than his career number, and he's stranding 10% fewer baserunners than his career expectations. Combine that with 3 below-average pitches and one above-average slider, and it looks a bit dangerous.

But we need to remember that we have a pretty stellar defense here in Colorado, and while Contreras may not have the most dangerous stuff in the NL West, the fact that he even has a splitter will help him with our groundball-friendly defense. A steady mix of Fastball-Splitter complemented with a positive Slider sounds like a good range of pitches for Apodaca to at least try and get a quick spitshine on before October.

But Hynick would've contributed in 2009, right? He'd have filled Cook's shoes and been able to provide some major league stability until Cook returned, right?

 

Join us after the jump and we'll try and answer those questions.

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Hynick's strength was his excellent command of the strike zone. His career BB9 in the minors was a sub-2.00 up until this season, where he was posting a 2.79 BB9 in AAA Colorado Springs. But walk prevention obviously isn't everything, and Hynick's other peripherals didn't do much to help his case. A 5.34 K9 in Colorado Springs was definitely not very exciting, and while his 0.99 HR9 in the thinner air of AAA looked promising, Hynick was allowing a relatively small BABIP (suggesting that he'd eventually become pretty hittable) and his 41.6% GB% wasn't going to make him a stud in Coors Field.

But what about the majors? Well, his performance in the Springs wasn't bad at all, but it doesn't translate too favorably to the majors. Walks go up, strikeouts go down, Home Runs go up, and FIP follows them both. Much as I love the guy with a AAA FIP of 4.48 and a Major League Equivalent FIP of 5.33, I think we could do better than watch him shake off the jitters after losing his first 3 starts allowing a million runs in like 10 innings.

Finally, tRA. Statcorner covers tRA for all levels of the minors, which is pretty darn cool. Their evaluation of Hynick gives him a passable 5.11 tRA, and 1.9 pRAA. That basically means that Hynick pitched well enough for a 5.11 ERA (a far cry from his 3.83 ERA) and prevented 2 runs above what an average AAA pitcher would have provided.

Essentially, Hynick wasn't that terribly special. Sure, he's a farmhand, so he'd have been a nice feelgood kind of pitcher to watch, but how crowded is the 2010 rotation competition going to be as it is?

The last numbers we should take into consideration about with these 2 guys is their respective WAR. Contreras, so far, has provided 2.3 Wins above Replacement this season, basically saying he's already given the White Sox the value of his contract (2.3 WAR is about ~$10M, give or take). They're sending money. Awesome. Now, I don't have the WAR numbers for Brandon Hynick, but I can say that just comparing Contreras to Aaron Cook's 1.9 Wins above Replacement, it looks like we're getting some added value.

The X-Factor with this will obviously be how Hynick handles the Windy City, and how well Contreras handles the switch to the NL - usually this benefits AL pitchers heading to the Senior Circuit. Add in the fact that we have to face offensive powerhouses such as San Diego and Cincinnati, I think we might get the benefit of the doubt here.

So we're basically contesting whether a pitcher who has positive peripherals and positive advanced numbers along with VETERAN PRESENCE and arguably still has some gas in the tank will provide more for the Rockies organization as a whole than would Hynick, who would more than likely get pushed into Josh Fogg duty sooner than later. There's also the fact that Hynick would be cost controlled for 6 years, as compared to 1 month of Contreras, but what is the price tag on a playoff push?

Contreras is the embodiment of having to look farther than the surface to find value, but it's there, I'm sure of it. Hynick is a great example of a franchise feel good who really just isn't that great of a pitcher.

I honestly and truly believe that Jose Contreras will help us more down the stretch than Brandon Hynick would.

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Thanks for the perspective

I haven’t been that high on Hynick for a while. He would have already made the team if he was really worth keeping around… Lets hope this works out.

BTW, who would you rather have had, Contreras, Garland or Penny?

by BittenAnkles on Sep 1, 2009 11:08 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

money issues aside

I’m leaning toward Contreras. I’d have liked Penny for the sake of $$ alone, and Garland is kind of worthless anyhow, just an inning eater.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seems to me

those that approve of this deal are the same crowd that accept SABR stats, and those who disapprove weigh his season ERA, rotation demotion and W-L record higher than the mystical FIPish stats.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 1, 2009 11:29 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

What strikes me as odd, though

is that many of the same crowd who are disapproving of the Contreras move evidently would have liked us to sign Brad Penny, whose ERA this year has been higher than Contreras’s.

by Tom (RFTN) on Sep 1, 2009 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

FWIW

check out Statcorner’s White Sox page and who their most valuable pitcher was this year.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 1, 2009 11:30 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I would respond to this with my post below

And add that, the practice of abstracting from balls in play, base/out states, sequence of events (in what order hits, outs, walks, etc. happen), and unearned runs has demonstrated its overall utility when it comes to trying to predict performance from smaller samples (partial or one/two seasons of data). (I say “overall” because I’m sure it’s doesn’t work equally well for all players.)

As for abstracting for such things in “value” type stats? I’m not so sure.

I see why fangraphs does it. Things like wOBA and batting runs also abstract from the above, so they figure they should do the same for pitchers. However, a player could be first in the batting component of WAR, but have a .100 avg with RISP. Most would probably balk at awarding this player the MVP w/o taking into account the impact of that poor RISP performance.

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by FooMan on Sep 1, 2009 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That WAR statement is kind of goofy

on face value. I mean, imagine you’re with the White Sox, and someone is telling you Contreras earned his salary because we’re not going to hold his horrific performance with runners on and in high leverage situations against him.

There’s a lot of luck/random variation/noise involved in those stats, but with Contreras, it’s a huge variation. Throw in the 15 unearned runs he’s allowed and it looks even worse.

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by FooMan on Sep 1, 2009 11:31 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah, I'm not too secure on that, but I wanted to present WAR

as Jabbs brought it up last night in the newsbreaking.

My problem with fangraphs’ WAR is FIP driven.

tRA still says Contreras has pitched phenomenally better than his ERA

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's the same issue with tRA, though

It doesn’t care if an inning is: HR-SO-GO-BB-FO vs. SO-GO-BB-HR-FO vs. BB-GO-FO-HR-SO

It relies on average run values for various events, but adds granularity for types of batted balls. Overall, it should suit our purposes as most things come out in the wash. Most pitchers don’t hang around if they’re always giving up their HR’s with the lots of runners on base.

This sort of abstraction seems to me to have greater utility in projections than it does for deciding value. Which isn’t to say it should be part of evaluating value, I just think there needs to be a lot of “processing” after looking at a FIP or tRA type WAR.

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by FooMan on Sep 1, 2009 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

well overall run values, sure

but tRA also accounts for base-out states in its evaluations, so runs crossing and such are gonna be accounted for

Runs are slightly more tricky. We have to introduce a run expectancy matrix in order to work out how many runs should score from any given game situation. (bases empty, no out, etc.). In general, they look something like this, but it’s certainly possible to build your own based again on play-by-play data and given that we deal with a variety of leagues here at StatCorner, that’s exactly what we do. After the matrix is derived, we can work out the difference in runs on any given play by looking at the following:
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play_run_value = runs_scored + (run_expectancy_after – run_expectancy_before)

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't that how they derive their matrix?

They don’t actually change the value of each batted ball, do they?

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by FooMan on Sep 1, 2009 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

not entirely sure there

I was under the impression that it accounted for the order of things

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is...

if you’re reading that off this page, I take them as applying the matrix that they list below the part you quoted to various batted ball events.

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by FooMan on Sep 1, 2009 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only argument against that first paragraph

is Contreras’ results with runners on isn’t completely attributed to Contreras’ performance. Hopefully, a better defense will improve the results.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 1, 2009 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I think it’s good to note just how different his performance has been runners on vs. bases empty. There’s a difference in BABIP, but not all BABIP differences are due to defense and flares falling in.

I can see people not being excited about the trade. I think looking at ERA alone overdoes it, though. (If you really want to be scared, consider his runs allowed per 9 – 6.52 per 9. A la Hammel in the 1st half, lots of unearned runs. Also a la Hammel—were all those the defense’s fault?)

I think Contreras is an interesting choice given the constraints (not wanting to give up much or spend much money). I’m not as high on him as RMN, but I like him more than Ortiz or Hynick for September starts.

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by FooMan on Sep 1, 2009 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

boom or bust

If you look at the Count’s season game log, you will see that he started poorly and was demoted to work on some things, then was called up and had a solid to excellent stretch of 6 games. However, since then he has reverted back to his poor performances, with mediocre or worse performances in 8 of 9 starts, characterized by meltdowns in pressure situations. As evidence, look at the utter collapse in his next to last start against the Yanks, where his error on what should have been the third out led to 6 unearned runs. Maybe I am not seeing the forest for the trees, but if the stats you are citing are based on Jose’s season as a whole, then I think that his good and occasionally awesome performances in about 1/3 of his starts are skewing the numbers. When he is on, he can be dominant, but when he is off… I just hope you are getting the good Jose.

by anchower on Sep 1, 2009 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dave Allen at Fangraphs just posted an interesting article on Contreras’ arm slots.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 1, 2009 11:34 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Good analysis...

Thanks, RMN!

I guess now we just wait and see.

by Squeaky on Sep 1, 2009 11:37 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Bottom line

Rox now have a couple veteran starters with Ortiz and Contreras and have options if one or the other fail…

by Rox4brains on Sep 1, 2009 11:38 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope it doesn't come to Ortiz

I like your handle.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 1, 2009 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you probably should have mentioned what he has done in August

That is my biggest fear with him. Just from looking at stats, it looks like he has fallen apart. I would like to know what his FIP is during that span.

by mkorpal on Sep 1, 2009 11:51 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

4.79

did you read the link above that PF posted? Lots to do with arm slots

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

and august

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did read it.

Where did you find his August FIP?

by mkorpal on Sep 1, 2009 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

fangraphs

you can change the month if you’re looking at the team

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh

Contreras had the best HR/9 and K/9 rate in the Sox’ rotation in August, yet a 38.3LOB%, which has to be about as fluky as a batter hitting .617 with RISP. A worse 36.1% in May. That’s just silly. The other months are reasonable.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 1, 2009 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

makes me wonder which end of irrationality we're going to get

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was hoping for a boost due to batter infamiliarity with his arm angles

Career interleague results don’t show an advantage of surprise, however. He did well in 2 of his 3 interleague starts. No idea if that’s worth anything.

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by FooMan on Sep 1, 2009 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like it or not...

The deal is done. We can use 100 different stats to try to predict how he will pitch with the Rox and none of them will be 100% accurate. That’s why baseball is so freaking awwesome. As far as I’m concerned, it’s time to sit back, eat a delicious cuban sandwich in honor of our newest player, watch how this plays out on the field, and hope for the best.

by RockiescastScott on Sep 1, 2009 12:07 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

cuban sandwich

that’s a fine idea. so good….

by Teekalong on Sep 1, 2009 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was in Glendale a couple weeks ago.

That’s where my grandparents live. I’m pretty sure they would have no idea where to get Cuban sandwiches.

by holly96 on Sep 2, 2009 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or we can all smoke a fine Cuban cigar

So that Contreras isn’t the only Cuban thing getting lit up in Denver in September.

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by Franchise26 on Sep 1, 2009 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

So which side of the fence are you on? - I'm not sure :)

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 1, 2009 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

A Dominican cigar for Ubaldo's WS MVP?

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 1, 2009 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perfect.

Cigars for everyone on me!

by Muzia on Sep 1, 2009 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perfect. Your bill is at least $17,290

assuming only buy 2 cigars for all 1235 registered members of Purple Row.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 1, 2009 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh.

Well, see, I know a guy who knows a guy who can get me a good deal. They are Haitian cigars, but it’s the same island, right? No one would know the difference…

by Muzia on Sep 1, 2009 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty crappy cigars

you’re looking at… And Famous? just go to cigar auctioneer, their auction site and get a better deal.

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by rockieprogress on Sep 2, 2009 12:34 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 2, 2009 6:53 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2009 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Contreras Trade

Rockie Fans,

The last three years Guillen has done a poor job of handling White Sox pitchers. Changing teams should help Jose.

He can still get people out and is good guy. He throws in the low 90s and has an excellent split-finger fastball. The downside is that he throws a few wild pitches and does a poor job of holding runners on first base. Overall I think he will help your team.

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by TobyT on Sep 1, 2009 12:10 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

This is good to hear

Fangraphs isn’t a fan of his splitter this season, but I really don’t have much faith in their pitch-run values, because a pitch’s value has more to do than just runs and blah blah blah

Basically, it seems as if the splitter was a pitch designed just for AL pitchers coming to the NL in their latter years.

I have some hope that he’ll do well with a little ’Dac help.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

BUT HE HAS TEH VETERAN PRESENSE LOLZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 1, 2009 2:03 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I even referenced him being a veteran....

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know. In caps.

It made me LOL. May Jose Contreras be the Tony Clark of Rockies pitchers.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 1, 2009 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry, were you mocking us?

I can’t hear you from all the way down in fourth place.

OH SNAP, NO HE DI-INT

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by Franchise26 on Sep 1, 2009 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, it's the law of averages.

You’ve been around 5 years longer than us, you’d think you might be competitive SOMEDAY.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 1, 2009 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

OH SNAP

HE DI-UNT EITHER

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

He kinda di-id

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 1, 2009 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Besides,

technically, you’re only one place better.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 1, 2009 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

stupid head to head matchups

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

DivisionFAIL

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 1, 2009 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Non-technically, we're 12.5 games better.

To give you D-Back fans some perspective, that’s the number of games Brandon Webb pitched this year, multiplied by 12.5.

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by Franchise26 on Sep 1, 2009 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

man, what got up your pooper?

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I'm teasing

I figured this was all good natured seeing as the recipient generally is.

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by Franchise26 on Sep 1, 2009 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can always go back to being cantankerous

YOUR BASEBALL TEAM IS BAD AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD!

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by Franchise26 on Sep 1, 2009 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude....

now I’m gonna cry myself to sleep…

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 1, 2009 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

And?

It’s also the number of games Jeff Francis pitched multiplied by… wait, MathFAIL.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 1, 2009 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah son,

just multiplied by zero.

The Rockies need some oldschool purple/white striped high socks. The team’s problem is it’s lack of swagger. I feel strongly that these socks will provide the swagger necessary to tap the potential that are the Rockies.

by Resolution on Sep 1, 2009 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

MathFAIL

would be the number of games I’ve pitched this year divided by the number of games Jeff Francis has pitched this year.

by Tom (RFTN) on Sep 1, 2009 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or, technically,

anything divided by the number of games Jeff Francis has pitched this year.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 1, 2009 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Given that SF and COL are going for the wild card

head to head is moot. It’d be a tie-breaker.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 1, 2009 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same record, though

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 1, 2009 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well sure

But its still a legit T-2nd, two spots higher than 4th

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 1, 2009 3:44 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

One spot higher.

Two teams higher, though.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 1, 2009 4:40 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

You got to take your wins where you can get em.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 1, 2009 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I am, PF.

I am.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 1, 2009 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

This comment

is just asking for a jinxing.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 2, 2009 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

BAM roasted

er….jinxed!

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 2, 2009 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd prefer he actually be effective, thanks

I was thinking of the word “veteraniness” while writing this last night

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

From a financial standpoint (using the Trade Value Calculator...

Contreras’ value added to the Rockies will essential equal his remaining salary (if the Rockies are paying $1.5 million as I surmise they are). Meanwhile, Hynick is a grade C (according to Sickels) pitching prospect over 23 years old, giving him a worth to the White Sox of $1.5 million.

So on the surface, a financial loss.

However, once you factor in the fact that making the playoffs represents an average $30 million windfall for the Rockies (and Contreras very well could push them over the top), this is an excellent bet hedging move by DOD.

I, for one, welcome our new Cuban overlord.

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on Sep 1, 2009 3:53 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

El Presidente!

Patrick Saunders: I think Kruk is lazy.

by Rawktober on Sep 1, 2009 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Rockies are getting a more cash than that, aren't they?

If they’re on the hook for $1.5M.

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Sep 1, 2009 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

is this serious

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

YES!!!

AUGH!

BEAT NY! BEAT NY!

by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2009 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh

Here, I have some “sky is falling” insurance I think you’d be interested in!

Gladly sharing a name with Dexter Fowler!

by ShadowPenguin on Sep 1, 2009 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a one time offer

As of right now, I can offer you the low low rate of $99 a month, a BARGAIN, for the peace of mind and security that comes with knowing that never EVER will the sky fall on your head. Don’t miss out on this amazing deal, thousands of Americans are now living in safety, protect your family today!

Gladly sharing a name with Dexter Fowler!

by ShadowPenguin on Sep 1, 2009 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can I

join your company as a salesman?

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 1, 2009 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can you sell

completely worthless things for ridiculous amounts of money? :-D

Gladly sharing a name with Dexter Fowler!

by ShadowPenguin on Sep 1, 2009 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I used to be a bank teller,

and set the branch record for commission, so… I would say yes?

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 1, 2009 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

In fact,

you can pretty much blame my salesmanship for the financial crisis.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 1, 2009 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Take a deep breath

and remember:

Friedrich > Hynick
Chacin > Hynick
Morales > Hynick
Rogers > Hynick

We haven’t lost much, and this pitching addition could put us over the top

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 6:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

And

Reynolds may yet prove to be > Hynick.

Oh, come on, it’s possible!

by Since1993 on Sep 1, 2009 8:18 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

eh

BEAT NY! BEAT NY!

by prettyinpurple on Sep 2, 2009 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

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