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Tuesday Rockpile: NL West leads flurry at second trade deadline

Contreras in the fold

It may be selective memory, but the waiver deadline for playoff rosters last night seemed busier than most traditional trade deadlines.  The Rockies played a part, as did both of the remaining NL contenders.

First, what you care about most, is the Rockies acquisition of RHP Jose Contreras for AAA RHP Brandon Hynick.   Dan O'Dowd's initial hope was to land Arizona starter Jon Garland, but balked at the price of Juan Nicasio.  Rockie fans have probably been too high on Hynick, myself included, given his perfect game and stellar lower minor league numbers that likely won't translate to the big show.  

RockiesMagicNumber will post a Counting Rocks article breaking down the trade, which I urge everyone to sneak a peak at during work or between classes.  But in the meantime, I urge you not to judge this deal as a panicked move.  Dan O'Dowd has proven himself as a more than capable general manager in the last four years, and believe it or not, there are things to like about Contreras.  I'll let RMN prove that to you.

W-LGGSCGSHOSVBSIPHRERHRBBKERAWHIP
2009 - Jose Contreras 5-13 21 21 0 0 0 0 114.2 121 83 69 11 45 89 5.42 1.45

Just because the White Sox were through with their 2007 Opening Day starter doesn't mean they necessarily knew best, because of the top ten strangest transactions this season, Chicago has at least three of them.

Predictably Hynick was surprised, but also excited to be traded.  He drops the cliche that a "trade means someone wants you" yet also mentioned that he'll have the opportunity to play closer to and actually at his hometown area of Cleveland.

Dave Cameron wrote about the Contreras deal as well as what the Giants and Dodgers were doing.  Picking out a quote:

[Contreras'] stuff is still good, his peripherals are strong, but he remains awful when men are on base, so his absurdly low strand rates lead to less value than his FIP would suggest. Usually, we chalk stuff like that up to random variation.

For reaction from the White Sox fans, check out South Side Sox, or specifically, the following two articles:

Thome, Contreras Casualties of Underperforming Sox, Payroll Crunch - South Side Sox
Jim Thome and Jose Contreras became victims of the Sox lackluster play and impending payroll crunch. Thome increases his chances of reaching the World Series, while Contreras will frustrate his third franchise.

Jim Thome Traded to Dodgers, Jose Contreras to Rockies - South Side Sox
Jim Thome traded to Dodgers, Jose Conteras to the Rockies

Contreras will take Aaron Cook's rotations slot that will come up first on Saturday against Cincinnati.

 

Dodgers and Giants deal too

Dodgers add Thome, Garland; S.F. Penny - The Denver Post
Dodgers add Thome, Garland; S.F. Penny

Buster Olney says Joe Torre got his Straw man, meaning Jim Thome will play the role Darryl Strawberry did for Torre in New York.

Dodgers Add Jim Thome & Jon Garland - True Blue LA
The Dodgers bolstered their roster at the waiver trade deadline by adding Jim Thome and Jon Garland.

Making Sense of Brad Penny and the Giants - McCovey Chronicles
Checking out the nuptials between Brad Penny and the San Francisco Giants.

The Dodgers seem to have won with their haul of Thome, Garland and Belliard.  They strengthened their rotation and added a power first-base left-handed pinch hitter, the exact same moves the Rockies made though likely better in both.

 

Lastly...

Troy E. Renck and Patrick Saunders of the Denver Post each take their turn previewing the exciting September stretch run. 

Poll
First impressions of the trade:
Great move! Hynick was overrated, Contreras underrated. This bolsters the playoff run.
9 votes
I wasn't enamored with Hynick, but I'm not with Contreras either. I guess he's better than Fogg or Ortiz.
91 votes
This is a major panic move from O'Dowd. Contreras is complete trash. Hynick could have performed at a better level this year!
23 votes
I really liked Hynick, but if we can get a starter with Contreras' stuff and playoff experience, I'm happy!
19 votes
I am very confused and have no opinion yet. I guess I'll just wait and see. O'Dowd seems to know what he's doing
48 votes
WHAT?! JOSE FREAKING CONTRERAS?! FOR BRANDON HYNICK?! WHAT?!
26 votes

216 votes | Poll has closed

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he will eat something alright

probably baseballs

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 1, 2009 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

He's no Ray King

"Good is not good when better is expected." -Vin Scully
Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 1, 2009 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

or Russ Ortiz

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
-Pygalgia

by DbacksSkins on Sep 1, 2009 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

So far a predominantly indifferent crowd with a lean towards pessimism

I wonder if that will change as the day goes on.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 1, 2009 9:50 AM MDT reply actions  

I judge this deal to be a panic move

Giambi and Contreras < Thome and Garland

Hynick is not going to be a superstar, but I don’t see how a 86 year old man, is going to be a better fill in then Hynick. At least with Hynick we would have had his services for a few years, and thus of value if he turned out to be a AAAA pitcher.

While I think Ortiz is done, The Rockies could have gone with Fogg, or Chacin, or “committee” and be better then Contreras.

I don’t see how this helps the Rockies in Sept, or next year.

by Redhawk on Sep 1, 2009 9:51 AM MDT reply actions  

In fairness,

waiver wire deadline deals have absolutely nothing to do with ‘next year’. The Dodgers aren’t thinking about next year with Thome and Garland, either.

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by Franchise26 on Sep 1, 2009 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'd argue they gave up more value than we did

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

TBLA was scared they gave up McDonald or Lindblom

after hearing AZ asked for Nicasio. So they’re happy, relatively

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 1, 2009 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with this completely:

Giambi and Contreras < Thome and Garland

so for this year, the Dodgers win. We might get the better end of the deal, though Tony Abreu doesn’t seem like a lot to give up.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 1, 2009 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thome's Ph numbers are atrocious

1 for 19 the last 2 years. And just like Giambi he can’t play in the field. And we got Giambi for nothing. We get Contreras for very little, and if this is all the organization thought of Hynick then he must not of had much to offer. Fogg is not a viable option anymore and i don’t want a rookie pitching a game in a pennant race.

If we get 2-3 starts from him and then Cook comes back that’s all i ask.

by Roxfan24 on Sep 1, 2009 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Don't they win, anyway?

With their 5 game lead?;

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Sep 1, 2009 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Lower, Bob

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

Contreras' AB music should be

this, because it fits with our running gag

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

WHEN he's 64?

He’s older then that NOW!

by Redhawk on Sep 1, 2009 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

well, we still kind of need him

although feeding him is none of my business

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

George Frazier

can feed him hot dogs with Mayo.

I hope Contreras still has teeth to bite and chew with.

by Redhawk on Sep 1, 2009 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

I want to find a way to turn everything we do into some way to mock San Francisco

We just landed Contreras!

His battery mate was AJ Pierzynski, who was traded by Minnesota for Joe Nathan, Boof Bonser, and Francisco Liriano!

The trade partner?

SAN FRANCISCO!!!

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

For the record

That trade doesn’t look nearly as bad now. Sure, we got hosed on Nathan, and A.J. was a complete non-contributor, but Bonser isn’t around anymore and Liriano is a pile of injuries atop a crumbling molehill of potential. Seeing as one of the reasons Liriano was traded was that his mechanics presented an injury risk, I actually am not horrified by this decision as much as I used to be.

Besides, we just got Brad Penny and his NL type B status basically for free.

"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.

by hairball on Sep 1, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

Isn't Alanna Rizzo Cuban?

Maybe it will be her business.

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Sep 1, 2009 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Also,

what does this mean about Cook? worse than expected news on the shoulder?

by moomacher on Sep 1, 2009 10:00 AM MDT reply actions  

Troy Renck wrote on August 22 that he might not pitch for the rest of the regular season, so this move isn’t really a surprise on that front

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 1, 2009 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

For my part....

I really don’t like this trade. It seems like panic and desperation, which is not what we need right now. Does this send a message to the players, that will make them try too hard and drop easy games to bad teams? I don’t know. If I knew what was going to happen, I’d be rich. So I guess I’ll just let this go and see what happens.

But I don’t like it.

by Squeaky on Sep 1, 2009 10:03 AM MDT reply actions  

Why is it a panic move?

What did they give up? I think this means they didn’t think much of Hynick. If there’s a message to players, it’s that they tried to get help. I don’t think they’re going to rend their garments over Hynick.

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Sep 1, 2009 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

Message

i think goes more to the Denver Post commentators, the casual fan, and the casual national (and local) media.

The Rockies are buyers, and brought in a veteran with name recognition as he’s pitched with the Yankees, and the White Sox and even in the playoffs before.

Now….is Contreras 09 better then Hynick 09? I dunno about that.

by Redhawk on Sep 1, 2009 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

I do

I have seen the future

ooooohhhh

and i get press credentials before you do

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

NOOOOOOOOO

I’d ask the hard questions that you won’t…like…“why do you suck so bad Chris?”

by Redhawk on Sep 1, 2009 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

in the yearrrrr 2000

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

In the year 3000

Redhawk discovers a walk is equal to a hit after accidentally striking a pedestrian who was in the Witness Protection Program..

by Muzia on Sep 1, 2009 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I voted for option five,

but struck out most of the words in it:

I am very confused and have no opinion yet. I guess I’ll just wait and see. O’Dowd seems to know what he’s doing

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by Russ Oates on Sep 1, 2009 10:06 AM MDT reply actions  

Fair enough.

I should have stricken the confusion part anyway. A silly option turned serious

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 1, 2009 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

I always rooted for Hynick for absolutely no reason.

He just seems like a very likable guy and I wish him the best with Chicago.

by Muzia on Sep 1, 2009 10:10 AM MDT reply actions  

There's just no room for Hynick here

with Keith Weiser knocking on the door before we know it

^5 irrational fandom

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

That's partially why I was hoping Hynick would get a start this September

To prove he had any future here, he would have had to show it, because he was definitely not a favorite for the rotation next year.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 1, 2009 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree

I didn’t think much of him, but I like to see minor leaguers get their shot. I’d rather that shot have been in 2010 spring training than in September. Maybe he will get a shot in ST, albeit for the White Sox.

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Sep 1, 2009 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

yeah this post was entirely just so I could namedrop Keith Weiser yet again

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Dumb question:

What’s ^5? I keep seeing it…

by Justus on Sep 1, 2009 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

high five

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ooohhhhh, see that makes so much more sense than

“to the fifth,” which is how I read it. But to be honest, I like to the fifth better.

by Justus on Sep 1, 2009 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

He got me on that too

I thought ^5 was like saying +1 but with a greater mathematical function :)

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 1, 2009 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

SIGH

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well I thought the exact same thing,

and I was fully prepared to give you a thorough tongue-lashing when you’re the one driving the whole “rec’s, not +1s” bandwagon.

by Justus on Sep 1, 2009 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Lost in all of this

what the heck is up with Chacin? He goes from #1 prospect, gets a call up from Tulsa, does well out of the pen, gets a start, got lit up like Christmas tree, then gets sent down, pitches a no hitter (well, you know),

And now can’t pitch in the majors? He’s some how not as good for 3 starts as Contreras would be?….cause Contreras sucks (he’s pretty good for being 67 years old). If some how Chacin is below Contreras now, then I don’t have warm fuzzies.

Did the Rockies front office, knee jerk like a Denver Post commentator, and now Chacin has no future? If he has a future why isn’t he in the call ups?

by Redhawk on Sep 1, 2009 10:29 AM MDT reply actions  

Isn't he getting absolutely lit up in AAA?

Maybe they want him to figure things out the rest of the year in a lower pressure environment.

by Muzia on Sep 1, 2009 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

wow, yeah, he looks like ass in AAA

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not so much lit up

After all, he was part of a no-hitter a couple of weeks ago… more like his control has completely deserted him.

by Tom (RFTN) on Sep 1, 2009 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

yay it's Morales 2.0

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

with out the heat

I hope not. Chacin will have to make his career on control. He had good pitches, but no blow em away 95+ mph fastball from a lefty like JDLR and Morales have.

by Redhawk on Sep 1, 2009 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wow, I hope we aren't giving up on Chacin after 3 starts in AAA

He had 1 very good start, 1 terrible start, and 1 mediocre start. He has not shown great command yet, but he is pitching in the toughest environment possible, and has been jerked around a little. I mean that in the sense that he was starting in AA, moved to the pen for the Rox, given 1 start after about a month, and then moved back to the AAA rotation. I know its hard to give this kid or any other youngsters a start in the middle of a pennant race, but its been done before and w/ some good results and some bad. There is no proof that a veteran will dominate either, especially 1 that is not a day younger than 44 according to RedHawk and has not pitched well at all this year.

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by smokinRox on Sep 1, 2009 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm hoping the Rockies

are handling Chacin with caution. I personally would rather have him pitch then Contreras here in Sept. for the Rockies, but maybe its best for Chacin in the long run, to not rattle him with a play off run as he’s adjusting to the majors.

by Redhawk on Sep 1, 2009 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

They might actually think he's not ready to start in the majors

Given his struggles in the majors (he lacked command even in the bullpen role) and in AAA. AA to the majors is a big jump.

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Sep 1, 2009 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

counting rocks disagrees on the "has not pitched well" comment

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

OOooooOOOOOooooooOOOOOHHH

i will slap you so super hard

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe they want to stop jerking him around

Give him some consistent starts in AAA and let him regain his control there instead of in the majors in Sept.

by kiraly41 on Sep 1, 2009 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

My thought is that they are saving him for next year

and don’t want his development to get lost in a playoff race, let him pitch the AAA postseason, and then compete for the rotation next season.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

He could be added after the AAA playoffs

are over, I guess. I would think at least a bull pen appearance or 2 would help the kids confidence. (and mine too, which is really what my questions on Chacin are about really)

by Redhawk on Sep 1, 2009 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

By the end of the day

Redhawk will be admitting that Contreras is actually 38 as his, uh, “birth certificate” says he is. He’s already gone from 86 to 67 in less than an hour.

by Tom (RFTN) on Sep 1, 2009 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think he's a day less then 44

(seriously I don’t)

But if this is Price is Right, I want to play “range finder”, and lock in at 44, Bob

by Redhawk on Sep 1, 2009 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

WILL YOU STILL NEED ME WILL YOU STILL FEED ME

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Somehow....

….I don’t think Contreras has ever needed help getting fed. Pushing away from the table, perhaps…

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by Mondogarage on Sep 1, 2009 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

you sure you're not mixing him up with Bartolo Colon?

I didn’t think Contreras was all that plus-sized

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 1, 2009 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

HELLO!?

Russ Ortiz!??

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 1, 2009 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Don't EVER make a fat joke

at somebody else’s expense when you have Russ Ortiz.

"In the future, I want to be a fossil. Or, at least have my feces be fossilized"
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by DbacksSkins on Sep 1, 2009 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Meh....

Brad Penny is just a turd.

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by DbacksSkins on Sep 1, 2009 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

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