Tuesday Rockpile: Cook, Contreras, Francis all will throw in a "game" today
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 15, 2009 7:30 AM MDT
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PrintSo does that butt-whooping from last night scare you? It shouldn't. As Tracy Ringolsby wrote for FOX Sports, the Giants need no less than a sweep, and tonight's game favors the Rockies all by itself.
With the win last night, San Francisco pulled within 3.5 games of the wild card with 18 games left to play. In 2007, with 18 games left to play, the Rockies were 3.5 games out. So sure - it's possible. But does anyone think the Giants have a Rocktober run in them? I don't, and neither does math, and math is always right. Baseball Prospectus' odds have the Rockies at a 87% chance to make the post-season, which dropped 4% due to last night's loss.
In spite of the fact that Ubaldo Jimenez is coming back off of resting an injury, and in spite of the fact that the game is at AT&T Park, and in spite of the fact Barry Zito has owned the Rockies this year, Colorado is currently -135 favorite to win tonight. Ubaldo is just that awesome.
Speaking of Zito, there had to be an explanation for his turnaround this season. There is. Max Marchi at THT wrote an article Friday, showing that Zito has abandoned his hard curve this year in favor of a slider. He has been able to control the slider better, helping him to limit walks and hitters' counts.
Infirmary Report
Troy Renck: Jeff Francis, Aaron Cook and Jose Contreras will throw all throw a simulated game today, with the latter two attempting to return in time to start September 25's game at Coors Field vs St Louis. Jim Tracy says Cook looks "the best he's been all season" recent bullpen session, for what it's worth.
Huston Street will not take part in the simulated game, but he will throw a bullpen session. Renck also notes that Jim Tracy will stick with Franklin Morales in the closer role when Street comes back until the erstwhile closer shakes off the rust. No real surprises there.
Last Links
Renck posted his latest Mailbag. One of the questions brings up the possibility of a play-in game for the wild card this season. Fat chance.
On a related topic, Tommy Bennett explores obsessively MLB's tie-breaker system, citing the "Massive Tie Scenario" as an issue. It's a very interesting read.
Irv Moss: In Denver Post's version of Rockies retro, Moss profiles my favorite Rockies pitcher of the mid-90's, when I found baseball as my love. If you're unfamiliar with Rockies past, or even if you'd like a refresher, read about Roger Bailey, who had only three strong seasons in a pre-humidor Coors Field, as his career was cut short....by getting rear-ended in Tucson.
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So we're still looking playoff-bound statistically.
Still wish we’d win. :)
"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill
Don't know if I'm just freaking out here...
But in my mind it’s not just about getting in the playoffs but actually having a chance in them. I know they can be a crab shoot but to me it seems like this team doesn’t stand a chance against any of the other teams they will be facing. It could happen if everyone get’s hot at the same time but right now chances of getting out of the NLDS alive (or even winning one game) seem slim.
I tend to agree
that if we get into the playoffs we are likely going to be out in the 1st round, especially since we are really struggling on the road right now and any playoff series would involve us playing most of the games on the road. However, I think it is still important to get there as it helps the organization move into a category of consistent winner and playoff team, and to a lesser extent legitimizes 2007. If we want to build a perennial winner we need to start somewhere, and the playoffs 2 out of 3 years is not too bad.
It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.
Given how the team faltered in 2008
And the overall history of the franchise this decade, I’m satisfied with a “get to the playoffs” approach to 2009. I think O’Dowd, the coaching staff and the players themselves need to build a more solid contender for 2010, though, that’s for sure.
Isn't this already a pretty solid contender?
They could be better, but they also easily could be worse. Even with Cook’s injury, I think they’re going to have a difficult time replicating the starting staff success. Definitely possible, but they’ve been very healthy and have done a good job at reaching what was expected of them. (Even Cook’s ERA relative to league was hovering at its normal rate until the couple starts before he went out for good.)
I’m not sure how much to weight the last 7 road games over all the rest of the evidence re. their quality of play. Definitely a signal of what could happen, but it seems like a lot of people have decided that it’s more than a “could” situation.
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
I want the team to get to a Rays level of proficiency...
And I really think we’re pretty close, but there’s offensive weakness that should be relatively fixable that needs to take place, I think, and the bullpen is still relatively shallow. You bring up a good point about how we should be expecting a regression from our starters next season, that won’t be fun unless we’ve taken a step forward with the offense/defense to make up for it. I hope with solid development from Chacin/Friedrich and maybe a surprise return from Francis or unexpected leap from Rogers or Deduno that it could make up for that.
You mean the same Rays that could be at .500 by Thursday?
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 15, 2009 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
In the AL East...
thanks to a flukish losing streak lately. So maybe I want their quality (particularly on offense and defense, I think our starting pitching already matches up well) with our good luck when it comes to win streaks.
I knew that would be the rebuttal
Would have been mine as well. I don’t deny we would be suffering more if we qere in the al east. Or that the rays should be better given their run differential. But at pyth w-l isn’t all bad luck, and they won the pennant. They ought to be at least ten games over. Not picking a fight, but for a team to be modeled after, the only excuse for not being more than two over is if their top four players mased significant time, IMO.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 15, 2009 5:28 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't you need to factor in the division each play in?
I’m pretty sure we wouldn’t be the same record-wise if we played in AL East.
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by pedalpusher on Sep 15, 2009 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions
this team needs Javy Vazquez.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 15, 2009 6:24 PM MDT up reply actions
I also, tend to agree
Though, it does seem like we have a bit of a “west coast curse” lately. Maybe if we get out of Cali we’ll do alright on offense.
Our losses have really come down to just one terrible inning on defense and then never coming back in offense. Even our win against the Padres was only so close because of this. We figure out a way to do some damage control in those situations, we’ll be ok.
I'll tell you why I'm scared.
Because despite the fact that the Rockies are still in command of the wild card, they have some serious flaws which are being exposed. They have now lost six of their last seven road games, and there are too many struggling hitters right now for the offense to have any sort of consistency. Hawpe has looked a little better lately, and Tulo doesn’t seem to be slumping, but who else besides Yorvit can you point to as someone who is producing? Meanwhile, Marquis has pitched poorly in three of his last four starts, and the bullpen has been struggling.
I know this sounds like a doom and gloom post just because we’ve lost three straight, but that’s not my intention. I think that the homestand against weak competition made the Rockies look better than they really are, and the games in pitchers’ parks have made the offense look worse than it really is. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle: they have some good pitching, and some good elements in the offense, but there are serious flaws too. Sure, they lead the league in runs (I’ve heard people say that a hundred times in the last few days), but that is mostly based on strong performances at home. If they want to be successful in the postseason, where they will most likely not have home field advantage, they have to hit against good pitching on the road as well.
Every team has flaws
Get into the postseason and see if we can exploit theirs. I’m sure Dodgers, Phillies, and Cards fans are worried about their prospects as well. Things can look very different three weeks from now.
Patrick Saunders: I think Kruk is lazy.
If we discount Dodger Stadium and AT&T Park
We actually have a very good record on the road. Best in club history. We are slumping offensively, sure. But let’s just get to the playoffs and see what happens. That in itself would make this season a success in my book, especially after where we were in May.
Let’s keep things in perspective.
not to be a jerk but
I don’t, and neither does math, and math is always right. Baseball Prospectus’ odds have the Rockies at a 87% chance to make the post-season, which dropped 4% due to last night’s loss.
What you are talking about there is probability and statistics – and they are wrong sometimes.
Still, no way the Gnats beat us.
That comment was pure bona fide sarcasm
a rather silly statement intended to soften any lingering anger from last night. I’ve seen Rocktober – I know about the lower end of probability.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 15, 2009 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions
I can't imagine Francis would be anything close to effective in a playoff game this year
I’m fearful for next year, maybe his career. Though I do believe Drew mentioned Tim Stauffer had a labrum tear…
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 15, 2009 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions
A few weeks ago
the Rockies were hot, pushing the standings, and looking like a beast. Now, the offense has cooled, the starting pitching looks tired, and the bull pen, looks exposed.
Yeah, making the playoffs would be amazing from where the Rockies were in June….but I’m not happy we look like we are limping in right now from where the team was a MONTH ago.
I have a weird, no way it can be proven, little theory on hitting, that a team needs at least 3 consistent hitters to carry a team offensively. When the team was hot, it was Cargo, Tulo, Smith and Helton. But CarGo has cooled off, then Helton, cooled off….and it brought the rest of the team down. Stewart has gone south from terrible. Barmes can’t hit a ball past the SS. And K’s for the team are mounting at an astonishing rate. And the team is relying on Torreaba to carry them….think about that….Yorviet Torrealba….and his noodle arm behind the plate.
Too much credit is given to pitcher’s parks, or great pitchers. Play EY2 at 2nd which is the only upgradeable bat the Rockies have. But, the rest need to get going. ‘m tired of the excuses. Hawpe has shown that he’s not dead. Maybe he can get hot just in time to ignite some other bats.
Tulo's cooled off more than CarGo
Gonzalez is hitting .264 over the last two weeks, Tulo .250, which isn’t that much worse than Stewart’s .231 (I wouldn’t say this is going south from terrible, just staying there, though). Maybe the Rockies need to put Iannetta back at third, he’s actually hitting .333 the last two weeks.
Atkins?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 15, 2009 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions
It was a joke,
referring to the game last year where Tulo got hurt and Iannetta had to play 3B. Atkins is hitting .227 in that time frame, I think I prefer Stewart, or maybe a platoon of terrible.
Oh I remember that game every time we play at AT&T
Just couldn’t tell which angle you were taking…joke or slip
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 15, 2009 9:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Wasn't it immediately after the baby arrived?
and before Todd’s Gentry arrived?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 15, 2009 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions
you made me go look
Stewart played everyday till the 7th. Then he was off and his next game was the 11th. He hasn’t had a hit since his return in 4 games, 3 of them starts. He’s also K’d 3 times.
Nope
Stewart missed those three games with a back injury. He missed September 1 for the birth of his daughter. So the HR binge came from his child. Another reason to get back home.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 15, 2009 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions
ok
Stewart was heating up before the birth of the kid and had 2 multi hit games right before is maternity leave day.
Point
Though since he missed three days with a back injury and hasn’t hit since, mayhaps it’s still an issue, even if only due to timing?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 15, 2009 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions
maybe
and maybe he needs to visit one of those message places they have in SF to work out the kinks in his back.
I didn't think
he swung that way…
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
by rockieprogress on Sep 15, 2009 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
The lesson here, as always:
Kids ruin everything.
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See above.
Kids solve everything
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 15, 2009 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions
these things often depend on how you slice up the data
either statwise, or what AB’s you’re remembering. I mean, if one were only looking at the last week, with last night’s 2-5, CarGo is .160 in the last week. I don’t know if Redhawk does this but judging from the gamethreads, some people really put an emphasis on how badly AB’s go in the 2-3 most recent games, and can conclude that someone is struggling from that.
Of course, in a way, they are struggling. Though as Barmes’s slump shows, or CarGo’s start with the team after his recall, CarGo’s mini-slump is not so bad, considering.
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
I usually go a week at a time
because between my 2 fantasy teams, I have a lot of Rockies, and I usually track who plays by “Last week” stats.
not exactly the most scientific method…but I get a feel for who’s hot, and who’s not.
yeah, then CarGo doesn't look so good
The “last week” stats as a whole aren’t looking too good these days.
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
The Rox have struck out at an alarming rate all year IMO.
Seems plate discipline and approach could be improved. Isn’t this something that should be worked on all year with the batting coach. I don’t really want to rag on Baylor but our at bats seems to be getting progressively worse.
"I've had pretty good success with Stan Musial by throwing him my best pitch and backing up third." - Carl Erskine
high P/PA will yield more walks and tired starting pitchers
but also more K’s. Though it would be better if they could improve their skill at spoiling pitches.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 15, 2009 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Naturally
But if Todd Helton taught me anything about hitting, it’s that you can get a lot of hits by spoiling would-be-K pitches until you can line one up
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 15, 2009 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Naturally
SHORT STOP!
(don’t tell me I’m the only one that has that Abbott and Costello bit running in my head all the time)
Ha...I hear it
It’s a bummer Chin-Lung Hu didn’t somehow get a starting job in LA. We could drive TBLA crazy
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 15, 2009 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions
But a walk's just as good right?
Just kidding… just kidding… that horse ain’t gettin any deader.
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by Rox R Champs on Sep 15, 2009 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Especially since they seem to have the waiting for a pitch
that might not ever come part down pretty well. The team’s pretty terrible except for Giambi and Helton at shortening up on two strikes, I think along with recognizing breaking pitches, this has to be a major focus in the off season.
I can't lay my hands on the exact metric but
I know for sure that chances of a good outcome are greater when you hit the ball than when you strike out.
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by pedalpusher on Sep 15, 2009 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions
This has to be the worst good offense in the league.
OK, that doesn’t make much sense… but, man, when things go bad for this offense, they go REALLY bad, don’t they?
Can we try Giambi in right field? Good LORD is Hawpe the easiest out in baseball right now.
I’m still not worried… but Zito has absolutely kicked the crap out of the Rox this season – we have to go in ready to grind out some at-bats, take a walk or four early in the game and give our offense a chance to sneak a 12 hopper through for an early run. This is the kind of game where aces are truly made – and if Ubaldo wins tonight there can be no more doubt about him.
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Is there still doubt about Ubaldo?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 15, 2009 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Probably not in this corner of the Internets.
But I know how big this community is on ‘RESPECT US ESPN!’ and what have you… if U-Ball spins a gem tonight he can really earn that beyond any doubt.
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I have doubts
not from a stuff perspective but from a “win this must win game” perspective. Which is admittedly very un SABRmetric and not quantifiable.
so it's ubaldo's job to win the game?
If he pitches well, that’s all I need to see from him. Winning is a team effort.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 15, 2009 6:34 PM MDT up reply actions
How about a Smith-Fowler-Gonzalez outfield?
I realize Hawpe had a nice first half but we’re in a fight here and Brad ain’t helping us out. Let’s go with next year’s outfield.
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Fowler's looked pretty awful since returning too, though
Not many PA’s, but he’s only hitting .091 since getting back. I guess at least we’d have defense that way, though.
It will be really nice when we non-tender Garrett and I can quit defending his defense.
There are a lot worse 3rd basemen than him. If he was sitting on 80-85 ribbies now, his defense wouldn’t get a comment.
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His defense
is not good…it’s not as bad as I made it sound. I wouldn’t have him the terrible category…but in the “below average”
I would still say his was a piss poor defender if he was back to 130 RBI
but yeah, no one would complain about it. When a player is downright terrible with the bat, it sure is nice to have a solid skill to fall back on like Barmes and Stewart do
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 15, 2009 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Not all bad, though....
The Rockies do SOME things well on offense. They work counts, draw walks, and hit the occasional homerun. However, their team batting average is the worst in franchise history at .261, and they could fail to score 800 runs this year. In 2007, they hit .280 and scored 860 runs.
The pitching/defense has carried this team to its current record. The team ERA of 4.17 is BY FAR the best in franchise history, even better than the 4.32 team ERA in 2007 (the previous franchise best). We have a legitimate ace in Ubaldo Jimenez and a deep bullpen (when Street is healthy).
I’m worried about Jimenez tonight, though. The extra three days of rest he got for this start may affect his command, so don’t be surprisd if he’s wild tonight. Ubaldo is also overdue for a non-quality, or even a bad start. He has been effective for so long, going something like 25 consecutive starts with at least 6 innings pitched, that a stinker of an outing could be right around the corner. Let’s just hope it doesn’t happen against the Giants tonight.
I'm not as concerned about the batting average being worst in franchise history
We led the NL for something like 10 straight years out of the gate, so the humidor is bound to have mitigating effects. We lead the NL in OPS, fwiw. That’s a bit more important. Naturally the humidor has affected the pitching as well, but I believe with park effects taken into account, this is still the best staff we’ve had.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 15, 2009 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Yep, it's the humidor.....
that has depressed the offense from levels seen 10 years ago,and allowed our team ERA to drop to the low 4’s. Still, I don’t think the humidor has been turned up another couple notches since 2007 when we did bat .280 and score 860 runs. If only we could combine that offense with this year’s pitching, we’d have a real World Series contender!
The other thing you rightly point out is we lead the NL in OPS. This is great news overall for our offense, but having a higher average would allow us to score in a larger variety of ways (not just walks and extra basehits), and that would give us more consistency, especially on the road. Bottom line with our offense is that it struggles to score against good pitching on the road, and having some higher batting averages in the lineup could help solve that.
These are great points
the team really hasn’t hit well all year…but as the pitching has worn down, I think the offense is getting a little more exposed.
The offense has done something else well you did not list….and that is “timely hitting” Which is one of the 3 ancient keys to winning (Pitching, defense, and timely hitting). The Rockies for awhile were doing all 3 of those 3.
The Phillies offense has gone through craptastic stretches
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
"Craptastic" is a great description.
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by pedalpusher on Sep 15, 2009 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
10-4
in our last 14. 3-2 over the rest of this trip puts us at 13-6 over our last 19. I’ll take that it’s just frustrating when it come in bunches both ways.
I get so frustrated when I hear fans saying ".600? I'll take that"
Of course you bloody will! .600 is great! What about .200, which is about as likely? Puts us at 11-8, which is pretty close to your beloved .600, but with a more reasonable sample size.
I don't have much to say right now
Other than that we have sucked theses last three games. Someone needs to remind this team that they are neither the Pirates nor the Orioles.
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Numbers game
Numbers game: 6 hits for the Rockies in each of the four games on this 1-3 road trip. They are hitting .183 (24-for-131) with 45 strikeouts and are 2-for-22 with runners in scoring position.( Jack Etkin).
With reading the numbers game above, they only way the Rockies win is if the pitching staff shuts every team out. The boys once again are in the mindset of playing not to lose. You gotta take it to your opponents. Have faith and trust in yourself and ability, now lets go get’em!
Regression to mean on offense
starts tonight!
I understand losing the the best pitcher in the league...
Lincecum pitched a good (not great) game and he’s a good pitcher. What kills me is how mediocre to lousy pitchers make our guys look like AA hitters who just woke up from their mid-morning nap.
If someone can put together the numbers for the Rox hit stats vs. opposing 1-2’s compared to their 3-5’s that would be very interesting. Also how other teams do would be even more enlighting. It’s possible that this all or nothing hitting approach works very well against bad pitching (all portion of the equation) and not at all versus competent competion.
For every Pat Misch, there really are a dozen Colin Balesters
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 15, 2009 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions
Lincecum pitched a good (not great) game
11 K’s and 1 run allowed over 7 innings is only good, not great? We could only be so lucky if our pitcher’s “good” games were like those.
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By good, not great I mean...
He allowed 10 base runners in 7 innings for a whip of 1.43 . His whip for the year has been 1.04 so he wasn’t near the top of his game. The traffic was there so this is a perfect example of how even the great ones can be beat with some timely hits. What annoyes me the most is the lack of willingness to change the approach when runners are on base and/or 2 strikes.
As for the 11K’s. I believe our guys had as much to do with the 11K’s as he did… not like they don’t strike out in the double digits every night.
BTW, Ubaldo’s whip for the year is 1.21 so on average he’s had better games than Lincecum’s game last night whip wise.
Lincecum Last Night = JDLR
De la Rosa’s WHIP for the year is 1.40, so I stand by my “good not great” comment… :o)
I'm really surprised, however, that nobody's mentioned the real reason
the Rockies couldn’t beat Tim Lincecum these last two times:
Over the last two seasons, the Giants are 3-2 against the Rockies in Lincecum starts when Omar Quintanilla’s on the bench, 1-3 against the Rockies when Q starts. Tracy didn’t use our built in Lincecum killer and we’ve suffered for it.
btw, I'm mostly kidding, since people probably won't be able to tell.
The won/loss record is true, however. Q does seem to have Lincecum’s number, we probably should have had him at third instead of Stewart.
That last sentence makes me sick
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 15, 2009 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions
would you have preferred christian colonel
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 15, 2009 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions
To make things more somber
Tonight’s game is on MLB Network and tomorrow is the ESPN debut of the 2009 Rockies. For some reason the team seems to lose a lot when on National TV.
I’ve been listening to Tracy carefully during this losing streak. It sounds like he’s just hoping the offense is going to turn itself around on its own. I don’t know what a manager can do, but he could at least have some sort of a team meeting or something… They have some great veteran hitters (Helton, Giambi) who could probably put on a hitting clinic or something for the younger hitters who are flailing (Cargo comes to mind)
It sounds like Tracy wasn’t too pleased with the lackluster defense on the hit that dropped between Cargo & Hawpe, believing that maybe they don’t score any early runs if that was caught.
AWWWWWWW
I have to miss the game
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 15, 2009 6:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Man, it’s sad when you would settle for a hard hit ball with RISP, but I was just sitting there saying “just drill it right at someone. I don’t care if they catch it, I just want that fleeting moment of hope.”
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 15, 2009 12:10 PM MDT reply actions
Never fear, I will not be at either of these next two games.
I’m pretty sure I am a jinx at AT&T this year (I’m 0-4 there, but was 1-1 in Oakland).
Regression toward the mean :)
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 15, 2009 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions
You're the anti-me, it seems
At least lately, I know when I lived in Los Angeles I definitely felt like I was a curse for the Rox. Right now I’d gladly trade a couple of the wins I’ve seen against non-division foes this year for a couple more against the Dodgers or Giants, though.
I'm on board with stealing from Renck's mailbag...
“Seth-tember” is brilliant…especially if he ignites the offense tonight.
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frustrating night yesterday when i got back from my g/f's house...
Rockies get blown out and the Raiders blow a 4th quarter lead when they should of beat the stupid bolts
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
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No sympathy for Raiders fans ;-P
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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 15, 2009 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions
yes i know i wasn't expecting any here
it juss sucks the Donks got lucky as hell sunday and we play well vs the “super bowl favorite” monday night and somehow lose lol
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
"TuLoRocks2008 had the most comments I've seen in any game thread this year (322)...Can such a feat be eclipsed?" ..... Bring it on!!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 15, 2009 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, we totally shoulda lost
And the Chargers are so ridiculously overrated…we’ll be lucky if the AFC West champ breaks 8 wins.
And I will say, the Raiders surprised me, they look like they won’t be the laughingstock of the west that they were before.
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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 15, 2009 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah that will belong to the Chiefs
for the coming few years i foresee…i can see the Raiders winning 7 or 8 games this season
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
"TuLoRocks2008 had the most comments I've seen in any game thread this year (322)...Can such a feat be eclipsed?" ..... Bring it on!!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 15, 2009 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions
FWIW
My prediction:
Chargers 8-8
Broncos 6-10
Raiders 5-11
Chiefs 2-14
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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 15, 2009 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions
mine is
Bolts 10-6
Raiders 7-9
Broncos 5-11
Chiefs 3-13
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
"TuLoRocks2008 had the most comments I've seen in any game thread this year (322)...Can such a feat be eclipsed?" ..... Bring it on!!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 15, 2009 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions
FOOBAL
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 15, 2009 6:41 PM MDT up reply actions
is awesome
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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 15, 2009 7:36 PM MDT up reply actions
took all of one week for players to start fighting each other!
FOOBAL
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2009 6:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Eh, week one.
First game that counts in months, after weeks of lining up mostly against their own teammates and hyping themselves up. It’s bound to be a little more chippy than normal.
why is everyone freaking out so much???
We are playing a team with a great home record. We are playing a guy who could win the cy-young every year. We threw out our #5 starter, who even though had given up 3 runs or less in his last 3 starts tends to allow a ton of traffic. The lead was extended because of Flores, ours was held by Affelt (ps he’s better than Flores).
I read a lot around here that we wanted 10-3 going into the Giants series. We made that, and you can never assume a win against Lincecum. We have our ace tonight, and if he gets lit up, then we can worry a bit.
As for saying this team won’t get out of the first round, you don’t go 64-35 and say that. Plus, the only times we’ve had losing streaks of more than 2 recently were against teams we won’t see in the first round.
I think everyone is getting a bit reactionary around here, and its ok considering its our first time seeing a stretch run where we have the lead.
Just to compare, we’ve seen the Dodgers play some bad games against the dbacks and padres recently too, and I believe the brewers just won a series against STL. Chris Carpenter got lit up with 7 runs in 6 innings.
Sorry for the rant, but this much negativity coming from everyone was just a bit shocking.
by roxintober on Sep 15, 2009 4:14 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Don't shortchange the man!
We threw out our #5 starter, who even though had given up 3 runs or less in his last3 startsEIGHT starts
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 15, 2009 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm not freaking out about losing to Lincecum.
I was fairly well prepared for that, and it’s not that I’m down on the team or an eternal pessimist. He’s a very good pitcher, and we had our #5, like you said. What has me worried is that the struggles from the offense are becoming chronic, especially on the road. It would be one thing if this were coming out of the blue, but the Rockies have had too much inconsistency on offense for some time. It’s hard to get anything going when you have four or more guys who are pretty much automatic outs.
I tried to make a fanpost about this, but for some reason it’s not showing up. I think the problem might be related to difficulty adjusting to “normal” breaking pitches at sea level vs. the straight breaking pitches in Denver. Maybe they need extra BP on the road or something.
Saw your fanpost
typing up a response over there.
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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 15, 2009 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions
How did you find it?
I couldn’t see it in the list of fanposts and wondered if I’d done something wrong.
It seems like sometimes
A post only shows up under “Recently Active” or “Recently Posted”. I’ve noticed it a few times here and there, assume it’s a weird sorting mechanism with the boards.
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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 15, 2009 5:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Sorry for the rant, but this much negativity coming from everyone was just a bit shocking.
really? shocking? Check any game thread. any base hit or strikeout and it’s bye bye wild card.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 15, 2009 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions
haha yea it gets ridiculous
at times
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
"TuLoRocks2008 had the most comments I've seen in any game thread this year (322)...Can such a feat be eclipsed?" ..... Bring it on!!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 15, 2009 6:47 PM MDT up reply actions
most every game anymore
I don’t want the wails of the new posters to be the rallying cry from Purple Row
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Seth Smith Status: Bludgeoning Baseballs
Chris Iannetta Status: OH MY GOD GET SOME HITS YOU'RE MAKING ME LOOK LIKE AN ASS
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 15, 2009 6:49 PM MDT up reply actions
truism
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
"TuLoRocks2008 had the most comments I've seen in any game thread this year (322)...Can such a feat be eclipsed?" ..... Bring it on!!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 15, 2009 6:50 PM MDT up reply actions
wow just saw the line up for tonight
3 speedsters are all in there and Tracy sitting the big lefty hitters again Atkins and Spilly batting 5th n 6th for hawpe and stewie…Dex batting 8th EY/Cargo 1-2…yorvy catching. Hopefully this change of line up will help and please U-BALL if you are going to become the Ace that you look like you are you must be the stopper tonight and win this game….Go Rockies
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
"TuLoRocks2008 had the most comments I've seen in any game thread this year (322)...Can such a feat be eclipsed?" ..... Bring it on!!
Atkins at no. 5
could put a big hole in the middle of the lineup.
Actually I’m kind of saying that to “reverse jinx” him so people can tell me “Lay off Atkins — he’s 2 for 4 w/ 3 RBI” afterwards. I hope that happens. But I’m afraid it’s to the point with him that his decline is pretty much a permanent thing. I’ve seen it happen with other players before — looking like All Stars for years to come as they near what should be the peak years of their careers, then “lose it” for inexplicable reasons & never get it back. Francoeur seemed to be on the verge of doing that & may still do it. One of my favorite Astros, Morgan Ensberg was an all star 3B the year they went to the WS, > 100 RBI (shades of Atkins) & has sucked ever since. I hope Atkins pulls out of it, but from a couple of things I’ve seen about his declining bat speed, I’d say the chances of him doing so are well below 50-50.
No records in the last 10 years should count.
yea i couldn't agree more
with everything you said
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
"TuLoRocks2008 had the most comments I've seen in any game thread this year (322)...Can such a feat be eclipsed?" ..... Bring it on!!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 15, 2009 6:17 PM MDT up reply actions
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