Wednesday Rockpile: My Prediction--Rockies Still Good to Go
by Jeff Aberle on Sep 16, 2009 8:03 AM MDT
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Two weeks ago, when the Rockies pulled one game ahead of the Giants, I predicted that the Rockies would never again even be tied for the wildcard lead. And you know what? I'm still not worried about that prediction coming true, even after the Giants pulled within 2.5 games of the Rockies last night. Heck, EVEN IF the Rockies were to lose tonight I still would not be worried, as the Rockies still control their own destiny for the playoffs and the Giants have to go to LA after this series.
Jim Tracy seems to echo my thoughts in Thomas Harding's article:
"If we would have stepped into this pothole that we're in right now trailing by three [games], how bad do you think the situation would be for us?" Tracy said. "Adios. We stepped into a little bit of a pothole and we have a 2 1/2-game lead. It gives you an indication as to what we've been up to over the course of the last four months.
"We've allowed ourselves the opportunity to have something like this occur. Anything, in my opinion, in this world that you want really badly, it doesn't come easy. It's that much more rewarding if you're able to get it."
Meanwhile, the Denver Post has taken the more pessimistic route, saying that the Rockies are in trouble. The way that Colorado has played in the last four games is worrisome, yes, but then again it's only four games. Any team can have a four game stretch like this one (ergo why the playoffs are such a crapshoot).
The fact is though that the Rockies are still three games up on San Francisco in the win column and even with losing streaks of five and four games in the past 20 games, Colorado is still 10-10 over that stretch. Take it back to their last 30 games and Colorado is 18-12. Here's the playoff picture as it currently stands.
Hawpe, Barmes Sit
According to this Denver Post article, Brad Hawpe was benched for yesterday's (and perhaps tonight's) game, while Clint Barmes has been benched on a more lasting, permanent basis. Tracy:
"Maybe it's my fault. Maybe I rode him too hard," Tracy said. "My door is open, so if he feels like he needs another day (today), we will just play it by ear."
In a Harding article Hawpe responds to Tracy:
"For a little bit, I wasn't where I needed to be, but we've worked back to that point where I'm successful," Hawpe said. "I want to get out there and help win ballgames.
"We've got a chance to open some distance and take breathers later on, during that last week of the season if we take care of business."
The numbers don't quite match up with what Hawpe is saying, but speaking for all Rowbots, I certainly hope that he puts it back together heading into the season's last 16 games.
Patrick Saunders believes that it's time for the veterans to carry the Rockies to the Promised Land.
Injury Updates
Troy Renck has news on the Aaron Cook, Huston Street, Jose Contreras, and Jeff Francis fronts, detailing their simulated games and progress from injuries.
Playoff Odds
SportsClubStats (76.4%, 89-93 wins most likely)
BP Standard (78.3%)
BP PECOTA (76.5%)
BP ELO (74%)
Coolstandings (69.4%)
In other words, the Rockies are still in good shape.
Other Links
Beyond the Boxscore's Jack Moore has a nice profile on Seth Smith--and surmises that he could be a superstar if given the playing time.
Scouts, Inc. (ESPN Insider) previews the Jorge De La Rosa-Matt Cain showdown. Of interest is that 61.8% of DLR's strikeouts come on breaking balls and that opponents are hitting .189 on low pitches from DLR.
CBS Power Rankings, because someone wants to read them.
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Semi good news from Renck
There was irony in Tuesday’s simulated game at AT&T Park. The best pitcher, according to the hitters, was a guy who won’t pitch this season: Jeff Francis. While Francis’ delivery looked as good it was during his rookie year, Aaron Cook’s mechanics need a little work, jeopardizing his return to the rotation on Sept. 25.
At least Francis looks like he might have a decent shot to make the rotation next spring. But its not looking so hot for Cook or Contreras.
by moomacher on Sep 16, 2009 8:08 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh and I should mention
this comes after the talk that Cook had his “best bullpen session of the season” a few days ago. In other words, treat what the team is saying about these guys with a large helping of salt.
by moomacher on Sep 16, 2009 8:14 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm still taking the ultimate pessimistic approach with Francis
assuming he is completely out of the picture. It’s hard to be disappointed with that, and it’s a reasonable stance to take given the nature of the injury.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 8:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clint Barmes benched - DA
Eric Young batting leadoff – NYET
Never a good thing when your manager is panicking like the first guy on the Titanic who saw the iceberg dead ahead.
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The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.
by Franchise26 on Sep 16, 2009 8:21 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I fear the issues with this team run deep
and last nights game was embarrassing. There is not quick fix, no magic bullet, no bench player to superstar move to be made. I don’t think I’ve see a team become so bad at hitting as this team has become. In fact as I write this I think another Rockie Struck out.
by Redhawk on Sep 16, 2009 8:42 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Careful
We could be the Giants. As bad as we’ve been, we’re nowhere near as futile offensively longterm as the Giants are.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 8:47 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true, but
the long term means precisely dick anymore. If the lineup doesn’t wake up in the next two weeks, football season starts early this year, no matter how many 10-spots they dropped on teams in June and July.
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by Franchise26 on Sep 16, 2009 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would think 12 games at Coors and Chase would help
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It does matter, because it indicates talent
Of course they could fail to recover and the season goes down the tubes, but at least they’re working with something.
If their tailspin is rooted in a slump/altitude adjustment (possible, since the offense was sluggish the last series in CO and then they also didn’t hit well in SD), they could easily come out of their slump. The issue is whether they’ve exacerbated things by starting to press, and whether they’re going to continue to do so to the point it’s fatal for their season.
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by FooMan on Sep 16, 2009 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand your point
but talent and potential mean squat. Results are what matter. And over the last week or so, the results offensively have not been there. There are less then 3 weeks to go in the season, they Rockies need to turn this barge around on a dime.
And….another Rockie just struck out while I wrote this
by Redhawk on Sep 16, 2009 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather be a team with a ton of talent in a slump
than a terrible offense trying to catch lightning in a bottle for two weeks
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2009 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
What does he know? ;-p
I’d rather be lucky AND good. Or just be good and know my success wasn’t a fluke. But luck is nice on the side…
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather be vindicated in knowing my team played as well as they could and was beaten
than know my team lucked their way into something and had to wear that tag.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2009 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's pretty much what I tried to say
but more eloquently stated.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
But But
Ok, that has nothing to do with anything. I have no idea why that popped into my head.
by Redhawk on Sep 16, 2009 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
the flying circus is always appropriate
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2009 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obligatory: "Luck is the residue of design"
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
by FooMan on Sep 16, 2009 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nicely said. This was my sentiment regarding the Dodgers about two weeks ago when the sky was falling in LA.
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by Jesse S. on Sep 16, 2009 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giants don't need great offense longterm
You are missing the point. As the Giants have shown this season, they can win, and win well, with the worse offense in the NL this season (with apologies to the Padres).
And that was with Randy Johnson not really pitching that well overall and Jonathan Sanchez using Johan Santana mechanics (who is much shorter) until his no-hitter.
This is the Sanchez that was breaking out in early 2008 but then got tired because it was his first full season starting in 2-3 seasons. He should be this good for all of 2010, if not better because he’s still young and learning.
And this should be the Zito going forward, his velocity is up and his curveball is rainbowing again. Plus, more importantly, he is not pitching scared, not pitching with that contract hanging over his head. This is what I was expecting to get when we signed him, not an ace, but a good pitcher who eats a lot of innings.
And I’m hoping we can add Penny to the 2010 rotation on the cheap, which would give us a rotation of probably Lincecum, Zito, Penny, Cain, Sanchez. And soon afterward, we should be adding Bumgarner to that rotation.
WIth a rotation like that, the offense could regress and we would still win 90 games easily.
Yet, the Giants offense should improve, for a number of reasons. First, Sandoval started figuring things out in June, and has been hitting at a 30-40 HR pace since, so he should be doing it for the whole 2010 season. Second, Posey should be our starting catcher sometime in 2010, which would be an upgrade over what Molina delivered this season. Third, Freddy Sanchez, even in his worse season, will be way better than what we got from 2B in 2009, that has been a giant offensive sinkhole.
Fourth, Winn is done and Schierholtz’s AAA MLE plus career progression suggest that he should at least duplicate how poorly Winn did in 2009, if not beat it easily. And even if he should fail, Bowker, who has had even better AAA MLE this season, will be there to pick up the slack, and there is still Lewis and Velez as well. Fifth, Renteria has been battling chips in his elbow, which he will get operated on in the off-season, so he should be an improvement over how poorly he did in 2009. But even as badly as he did, he was still a huge improvement over Vizquel’s sad last season offensively with the Giants.
Lastly, the Giants have Molina, Winn, Johnson, Howry, Aurilia, coming off the payroll, plus won’t need to budget $5M for the draft, so they have enough money that they can go out and get a power hitting LF from free agency this off-season. I doubt they can afford to get Holliday (or would want to), but there is Jason Bay and Rick Ankiel out there, who would be a good addition to the lineup.
So the question is not that your lineup is better than ours long-term, but rather whether your team is better. I think we will have great battles going forward, you guys ripped off the A’s pretty good in the Holliday trade, Gonzalez is a find, as well as Smith, plus you have Stewart and Atkins still, and of course Helton and Tulo. And I love what they have done with their rotation, I was and am still pretty scared of it now and long-term.
But as I noted above, yes, the Giants offense look pretty futile long-term, but it has been winning with that offense, which is still young and developing but should be led by Sandoval and Posey, plus look to get better long-term, and that, plus the improving starting rotation (and stellar bullpen), should put the Giants among the contenders for the NL West title for years to come.
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Sep 16, 2009 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that long term, the Giants are on an inclining slope
I think you take an overly optimistic view of having everything turn out peachy with them (which is fine, I take an overly optimistic view of everything turning out peachy for the Rockies usually) but your overall point of the team being more likely to stay in contention long term (by this I mean a three or four season window) holds true. Be careful, though, as the Rockies showed in 2008, regression can sometimes take a bigger bite than you expect in individual seasons. If the Giants do fall back in 2010, Rockies fans (and everybody else in the division) better be careful not to believe that it’s a long term setback but probably just a random down blip on an overall rising arch.
by Rox Girl on Sep 16, 2009 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't mean to say that all would happen
Just that there are a lot of positives coming up next season that could happen, and thus enough good should happen that the Giants should see improvements in their offense going forward. As well as improvements in the pitching.
Well, I blame your 2008 regression on Tulowitski being basically out all season with his injury. And, apparently, your manager at the time. It has been awesome (and scary) how well they have played under Tracy.
I do understand that blips come up sometimes due to injury or, as you note, a two steps forward, one step back scenario (like the Brewers have been doing the past few years). For example, this year, should have figured Sanchez would not put it all together, though nobody could have predicted that he would shoot himself in the foot by picking up some technique from Johan Santana in the WBC, which, ultimately, didn’t work for him because he’s so much taller than Santana. Or even Zito last season.
There should be some good battles in the NL West over the next 3-5 years, between the Giants, Rockies, and Dodgers, as we all have a nice core of young players leading the way, supplemented by veterans filling other spots. And if Webb can return to past goodness with the Diamondbacks, they could insert themselves into the picture as well (but they might hurt his feelings by not picking up his option and he might decide to move to another team for his comeback). It won’t be the NL Worse anymore, and could rival the AL East in time, we all have a lot of good young players coming to the fore now and soon.
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Sep 16, 2009 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I blame your 2008 regression on Tulowitski being basically out all season with his injury.
Tulo was out about half the season, and had a solid 2nd half. We had a 2B go-round, we had Holliday out for a month, Hawpe out for a month, Helton crippled with back injury, Atkins really hitting the throes of declination hard, Francis breaking, Morales still living within his own head, etc etc.
should have figured Sanchez would not put it all together, though nobody could have predicted that he would shoot himself in the foot by picking up some technique from Johan Santana in the WBC
Johan Santana didn’t pitch in the WBC. I’m not sure where this is coming from. Sanchez pitched for Puerto Rico, anyhow.
Venezuela tossed Armando Galarraga and Carlos Silva, as well as Victor Zambrano, Enrique Gonzalez, and 1 start from Felix Hernandez.
There should be some good battles in the NL West over the next 3-5 years, between the Giants, Rockies, and Dodgers, as we all have a nice core of young players leading the way
Do not discount the Diamonbacks at all next season. A healthy Webby and some non-regression from the players should help them a lot, as well as the fact that they have a bunch of not-too-bad AAA players who got some full time looks this season.
Add a relatively potent catching corps and the Dbacks are gonna be pretty competitive, if not like 1 year behind where the Rockies are
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2009 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
First, Tulo only got into 66 games after he returned from the DL. He was pretty bad in August, so he was Tulo good for 28 games really. To me, that is pretty much all season but even if you count the 66, that’s still 96 games that he wasn’t either playing or playing up to Tulo standards.
Second, I don’t know where exactly Sanchez picked this up. All I know is he said in an interview that he admired Johan enough that he picked up some way of throwing from watching him during the WBC. For all I know, it could have been from watching TV. The point is that he picked it up and it made him useless to us the first half of the season. And that Righetti finally got him to stop it when they benched him. Clearly, he is much better now, even better than he was in early 2008.
I think what the Diamondbacks are missing is pitching, and I agree that if Webb returns to normal with them, they would be a factor as well. I just suspect that if they go the cheap (and prudent) route of not picking up Webb’s option, another team is going to pick him up, partly because he would feel insulted and betrayed by this move (which makes logical sense for AZ to do) and say that they don’t “believe in me” (which is how athletes today thinks, for the most part).
And even if he does sign with them again, I wonder if he can return to his former performance level. Shoulder surgery on a young player don’t sound that easy to recover from (though I’m no doctor).
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Sep 16, 2009 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shoulder surgery on a young player don’t sound that easy to recover from
we’ll see what happens with Francis and let you know ;-)
It’ll depend on how well Webby can still throw the sinker. Bread and butter, you know.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2009 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me just say
It’s great to see civil conversation happening, after all the mud that’s been slung. I think you all are very lucky to be fans of such an offensive team. And yes, as a Giants fan, I mean that both ways!
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by hairball on Sep 16, 2009 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hawpe is deluded
I’ve seen his success…this ain’t it
Patrick Saunders: I think Kruk is lazy.
by Rawktober on Sep 16, 2009 8:51 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
What's he supposed to say?
“I just can’t figure it out. Better bench me the rest of the season.”
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
by FooMan on Sep 16, 2009 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but he almost seems to be calling out Tracy for keeping him on the bench
when he’s supposedly not slumping anymore.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 9:06 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you referring to something not quoted above?
I’ve not read Harding’s article, so I’m not seeing it.
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
by FooMan on Sep 16, 2009 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes the Harding article
Tracy mentioned he was planning on giving Hawpe more days off, and Hawpe said the quote Jabbs picked out, that he “is successful ….[and] wants to get out there and help win ballgames.” Almost as if Tracy should recognize Hawpe’s progression and let his All-Star play down the stretch. Perhaps I’m scrutinizing too closely.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't have to say anything
Patrick Saunders: I think Kruk is lazy.
by Rawktober on Sep 16, 2009 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, someone interviews him, he says "no comment"
People will read into that, too.
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
by FooMan on Sep 16, 2009 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do or Die
Tonight’s game is just that. If they lose tonight I guarantee that the Rockies will not make the playoffs. It’s as simple as that. It’s time for them to man up and ward off the choke. They are playing tight and it will only get tighter should they lose tonight. Can Jorge be our stopper? Who is going to step up with 2 on and 2 out against Cain and get the long-awaited three-run homer, or 2-run gapper? Pretenders or contenders. We’ll find out on national tv tonight.
by Rocks rock on Sep 16, 2009 9:07 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I wish it were that simple
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
by FooMan on Sep 16, 2009 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're going to guarantee they won't make the playoffs?
When they’ll have a 1.5 game lead and a better home schedule to close out the season? Huh
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
when the choke takes hold, it’s hard to get rid of. they now get the d-backs two best pitchers as they’ve switched in haren. we already will have 3 of our pitchers needing to bounce back after a poor performance (marquis, hammel, and ubaldo). you can’t count out the braves whose schedule is a joke the rest of the way. i hope i’m wrong because i’m unemployed and i stand to win a huge huge amount of money should the rockies win the nl pennant.
by Rocks rock on Sep 16, 2009 9:33 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You make a compelling argument for their playoff spotto be in jeopardy
but not to guarantee they are out of it
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i over-reacted
it was waking up with the hangover of the last two games. tonight is not do or die. the day off will help, the dodgers could take two of three from giants. we should all be rooting for the mets tonight as well, especially if we lose tonight.
by Rocks rock on Sep 16, 2009 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does this all sound like the same thing
We heard after they got swept and were tied. The team has 16 games left, 9 at home. A 10-6 record would mean the Giant need 13-4 to tie. A win tonight and it will be tough to lose, a loss tonight means we are still leading We are 10-5 in our last 15 i will take that EVERY time.
by Roxfan24 on Sep 16, 2009 7:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
JDLR does not do well under pressure...
This will not be a 2-1 Rockies win, so it will come down to the offense getting some runs on the board agaisnt Cain.
by Latrock on Sep 16, 2009 9:16 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes and no
JDLR came through big to win the back-end of double headers to end losing streaks twice for us. He’s capable of pitching under pressure. But, I agree we won’t win it 2-1. We will need to win this one 5-2 or 5-3. I’m saying we’ll need a bit of a cushion for Franklin after his last performance.
by Rocks rock on Sep 16, 2009 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This offense can't win games right now
it has to be the pitching that wins. The offense will have about 10 k’s against Cain. They will have to win a 2-1 game if they want to win.
(and no…I don’t think the Rockies will win tonight)
by Redhawk on Sep 16, 2009 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope we're both wrong
is it possible that we can take advantage of a huge error by Uribe or Sandoval?
by Rocks rock on Sep 16, 2009 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it
as the next guy up will just strike out on a slider.
man…I’m a debbie downer today on the Rockies. Their ineptness and their sheer embarrassing performance the last few days has me being hard to find positives to say.
by Redhawk on Sep 16, 2009 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya
can someone wake up SD Cat to give us a reason to have faith
by Rocks rock on Sep 16, 2009 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
We are 1.5 games ahead...how's that for reason to have faith?
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
2.5 games up...I'm certainly not conceding tonight's game.
We hit Cain pretty well the last time we faced him.
Eschew Obfuscation!
by Jeff Aberle on Sep 16, 2009 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, all this pessimism got through my thick skin
Reading all this “only 1.5 games ahead” really got in my head. Thanks for straightening me out. I’m not conceding this game either. We have a very solid chance. At a neutral site, I’d take Rox hitters vs. Cain over Giants hitters vs JDLR for sure. The game being at AT&T makes it more even.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Rox Hitters"
who’s hitting at the moment against anyone anywhere?
Really I don’t want to ruin your optimism, but I think it’s blind optimism. Which can be very handy….I’ve just never had it.
by Redhawk on Sep 16, 2009 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one
I just weigh longstanding proof of talent more than weeklong cold streaks more than you. Would you rather face Omar Quintanilla, after getting on base 15 straight PA, Albert Pujols if he were 0-his-last 20? Granted, that’s extremes, but for the sake of illustration…
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
but that's the not the choice
The Rockie have the choice of…an ice cold Iannetta, and ice cold Stewart, or a luke warm Torrealba, and an ice cold Atkins.
In the Rockies I’d take a hot, but cooling off Smith over a cold Hawpe.
by Redhawk on Sep 16, 2009 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
We were talking about different things I think. I was talking in the scope of Rox hitters vs. Cain against Giants hitters vs. JLDR. I’ll still take the Rockies lineup vs. Cain (whoever is out there) over the Giants lineup that has scored 19 in the last 2 games against us. Every time
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!!
lots of errands today! I actually did not sleep in.
Noodle on this spooky stat. (You can look it up!)
Rox lost 3 of 5(I think) into the game on Sept 15, 2007. Rockies lose 10-2 to the Marlins. Ubaldo Jimenez was the starting pitcher. He went 2 and 2/3 innings, walked the first batter and gave up 5 runs, at Coors Field. The next day Sept 16, 2007 we started winning. During that run, we swept LA in LA, and SD in SD. And we won 11 in a row.
I don’t know about you, but I find that pretty intriguing and I’m going to believe its a good sign…:)
Today we are still leading the WC race by 2.5 games. This is a better team than in 07. IMO, this the best Rockies team we’ve ever had. Does it really matter if we win by one game or 5 games? Does it matter if we win ugly or pretty (or lose that way for that matter)? Isn’t the goal to make the playoffs no matter how we get there? Whether by hook, or crook, or luck. Maybe even outplaying other teams?
This funk will NOT last. We will have unexpected players step up, just like we did when we went 9-1 at Coors Field low those whole 10 days ago(or something like that)…
I believe!!
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Brad Hawpe will get more hits and runs!
by SDcat09 on Sep 16, 2009 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm tired of trying to look for positives.
We’re beyond the point of being able to say “Well, he had a good at bat” or “At least he hit the ball hard.” At this point in the season, we need results. There are no standings for “talent”. It’s good to have talent, because it can lead to good results, but when it doesn’t it’s not worth anything. Take a look at the D-Backs; they were supposed to be young and talented, and they’re at the bottom of the division.
I’m not saying that I think the team sucks, or that I don’t think their abilities are worth anything. I’m just tired of hearing about how good they should be, and want to see them actually perform. If they turn it around today and start playing well through the finish, I’ll be as happy as anyone. I’m just beyond the point of being content with an eight pitch at bat that ultimately ended in a strikeout.
by RoxnSox09 on Sep 16, 2009 9:39 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
"There are no standings for 'talent'"
This is true, but there are standings for wins and losses, also sometimes just called “standings.” It’s really interesting to look at those, because they seem to indicate that the Rockies have actually won something like 82 games this season and that there are only three teams in the National League that have won more. It’s truly quite bizarre, actually, you’d almost think that the Rockies were doing alright when you look at those. I think I’ve decided to throw those out the window, though, and just trust what I know must be true, the comments here that keep saying the Rockies aren’t living up to their talent…
Look, these last five games with the Giants have been embarrasments and the team has clearly blown monkey chunks when it comes to playing in San Francisco of late, but the Giants look even worse on the road then we do, it’s why they are where they are at in the standings and we are above them and after tonight they have nine games left away from AT&T while we have nine games left at Coors. The Rockies still are in a solid position to win the wild card, even if they lose tonight.
by Rox Girl on Sep 16, 2009 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
the Giants look even worse on the road then we do
In spite of the recent guffaws on the west coast, we actually are .500 on the road. I’ll take that every time
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
.500 on the road is an amazing mark
If you play .500 on the road and at least .500 at home, you’re in more than solid shape.
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by oo_nrb on Sep 16, 2009 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point exactly
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by Jeff Aberle on Sep 16, 2009 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand your point.
Over the last five and a half months the Rockies have won 82 games. Clearly, they have had success, especially considering how the season started. However, over the last four road series they have performed extremely poorly (with exceptions against two horrible teams in Cincinnati and Washington). I’m not saying that they won’t make the playoffs, but that I want to see some results rather than talk about how they have done well in the past or should do well in the future.
by RoxnSox09 on Sep 16, 2009 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are seeing results,
Not the results we necessarily want, obviously, but results nonetheless. I think what my real point is that these games with the Giants, these last four road series and even the first month and a half of the season under Clint Hurdle are just as much a part of the measure of this Rockies team as the sensational three months of summer under Jim Tracy. I think I see these last few games as somewhat of a reality check. The statistics before this series had been indicating that the Rockies may have been the best team in the National League (at least that’s what Beyond the Boxscore was coming up with) which I think only the most naive Rockies fans would have really believed (okay, so admittedly I was close to being that naive). So what we get instead is a correction on this road trip in the form of blowout losses which should bring us back to a more realistic view of the team if you take the big picture approach rather than just looking at small chunks whether they are good or bad. When we blew out the Cardinals for four games at Busch stadium early in the season, it didn’t necessarily mean we were or are the better team than St. Louis, it was the same story when we swept Boston at Fenway in 2007, and they showed that in the W.S.
Right now, the big picture still seems to be showing the Rockies to be the best of the wild card contenders but not to the talent standard of the Phillies/Dodgers/Cardinals trio. What you, the Rockies and all the rest of us fans want to see (more wins) will manifest eventually, but it’s as much a matter of the timing of the end of their slumps as it is of execution at this point. I think this stretch is mostly just a necessary tempering agent to our lofty expectations.
by Rox Girl on Sep 16, 2009 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely disagree that we aren't up to the talent standard of the Cardinals
Despite our recent cold streak, I will still take our team pound for pound against the Cardinals.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2009 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
aren't you "Mr. Up With The Rockies" today
Cardinals are a better team, right now. Carpenter, and Wainwright, have been, lights out shut down. The Cardinals offense has been up or down all year, but with Holliday, DeRosa back, Rasmus hitting and of course Pujols, they are the better team right now.
Because they are actually getting it done. The Rockies are not.
by Redhawk on Sep 16, 2009 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right, we suck and will get swept by every team out there.
Again, as PF said, I don’t care about what they’ve done for me lately, I know that our team is better than the last week or so of baseball has showed us. We all know it, yet we choose to mire in the what is clearly a valley in our baseball landscape.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2009 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Carpenter just give up 7 runs
In 6 innings earlier this week? Didn’t the Cardinals just get swept by the Braves?
Huh, weird, baseball is streaky, who woulda thunk.
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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 16, 2009 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree to a point
But I would argue that the Rockies under Tracey have shown that they are the class of the NL until their recent hiccups, and on par with the Phillies and Cardinals.
Personally, I think the Dodgers are not as good as their record indicates. They benefited from two outlier performances from Orlando Hudson and Juan Pierre before they returned to Earth with a CLOMP! They have been barely over .500 for the past few months, certainly not close to the records of the Rockies, Phillies, or Cards, and even that was propped up by the big additions they had to do. I think they will win the NL West but will lose in the first round to the Phils or Cards.
The way I see this bump in the road for the Rockies is like you, that this is their first real gut check of the season. They have been soaring for the most part under Tracey and haven’t really stumbled until this series. I would argue that for the previous two series, both teams could shrug off the losses they got from the other team because the games were all close, could have gone either way had there been one more inning to play.
But these two games were beat-downs, as was the last game with the Padres. And the Padres was one closer meltdown from sweeping the Rockies. How they react after the Giants series will be telling as to how far they go in the playoffs (and they are still much more likely to do that even if the Giants win today). Same for the Giants, can they build off this momentum or will it fizzle again like the last sweep.
And that’s assuming they sweep. If the Giants lose today, it is basically over unless the Giants win the rest of their games or the Rockies just start losing like nothing. 3.5 games is too much to make up with so few games left unless somebody has an epic winning or losing streak.
FYI, the Giants, after their early struggles, have been basically .500 on the road since they started contending and their winning percentage at home is much higher than any other teams’, so they should make up some ground after this series, but it still probably is not enough to make up 1.5 games, let alone 3.5 games, though it helps that we have the first tie-breaker and should they tie the Rockies, the tie-breaking game would be played in SF.
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Sep 16, 2009 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rockies still are in a solid position to win the wild card, even if they lose tonight.
I’m not sure I would have used the word solid. they are in a wild card race and still leading, which is better than being behind. However, they had a chance to finish off the Giants, and nail down the WC and didn’t do it.
Not only that…they have looked absolutely terrible. The baseball season is a marathon…but it looks like this team just hit “the wall”.
and……another Rockie just struck out.
by Redhawk on Sep 16, 2009 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
we get it
stop
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2009 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was kind of funny
but maybe that’s just because I still feel confident
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sick, that's for sure
but how many more times do you (and others in the same camp) need to say “This team looks terrible, we strike out too much, we’re awful, stick a fork in us” while the PF/Me/RG camp says “We are in the WC lead. We are in a dry spell. We have time to pull out of it, we will be fine.”
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2009 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Add the author of this Rockpile to that camp.
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by Jeff Aberle on Sep 16, 2009 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
my mistake
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2009 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would argue with a win tonight
we very well may have nailed down the WC
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by Rawktober on Sep 16, 2009 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here are two things that most worry me
1) That this is the third or fourth time the regular starters have seen Lincecum, Zito, Cain and they seem to have even less of an offensive gameplan (i.e. even more clueless) when they step to the plate. Did someone go all Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind on them?
2) These are pressure packed games and Tracy starts playing Musical Chairs lineups and starts spouting Hurdlespeak™ about why he’s benching so and so and we need more speed yayda yada so he’ s playing the rooks. Personally, I think at this point — even with their offensive futility — you leave in Barmes, Stew and Hawpe and force their hand. They either step up or show why the FO should trade them in the offseason and go with the younglings next year (well Stew is a youngling but you get my drift). But I think benching them at this point puts more pressure on them when they do get into a game in the next week or so — if they get the WC in the bag then they can sit. This may be what Hawpe was saying.
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by WalkInRight on Sep 16, 2009 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we can't consider Stew a relative lock at 3B for next year,
I’ll be pretty concerned. Not to say that I’m not concerned for his offensive production now. Just sayin’.
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by oo_nrb on Sep 16, 2009 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Atkins gone
he will have no competition for the job, unless the Rockies bring some one in.
by Redhawk on Sep 16, 2009 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Competition would be good for him, though
I’d rather not have him default into the position.
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by oo_nrb on Sep 16, 2009 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are we time-traveling back to the early 90's?
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by Russ Oates on Sep 16, 2009 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking more along the lines
of experimental science. It is Giambi after all.
by Redhawk on Sep 16, 2009 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did play
third base for the Dirtbags back in 1990-92.
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by Russ Oates on Sep 16, 2009 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should be careful about discounting Stew at this point
I will readily admit he needs some work on his plate approach. He still has some of the best hands I’ve seen and tremendous power, beyond that he is light years ahead of Atkins in the defensive department (exhibit A, B, and C) last night. I would be interested to see how he would play w/out the constant threat of Atkins on the team. He has become a little too patient and if we can get that aggressive approach w/ him, combined w/ a better 2 strike approach I think we can have a very solid offensive 3B. While those things are not easy to learn, I still believe he will be that guy.
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by smokinRox on Sep 16, 2009 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't clarify well enough
I lumped him in with the vets Barmy and Hawpe and shouldn’t have. He’s young and I hope he will improve and learn how to make better/any adjustments at the plate. I point to Adam Dunn as somewhat of a role model — he’s a strikeout, walk or tater guy who has learned how to scratch out a basehit here and there as well.
Since Atty and Stew are both fairly miserable at the plate right now I was saying Tracy should leave him in there for his D.
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by WalkInRight on Sep 16, 2009 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because you know Zito is going to throw a curve
does not mean you have a snowball’s chance of hitting it. It also brings to mind that I thought Helton was screwed on at least two strike three calls last night – i.e., I don’t think his approach was flawed.
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by Rawktober on Sep 16, 2009 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all
Unless you fault him for not scouting the ump thoroughly enough. He’s known for a higher strike zone than average
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure
but something is rotten somewhere in the state of offensive gameplanning with the Rockies — whether it be with the coaching staff or the players just not executing the plan during the game.
The Giants obviously had a gameplan with Ubaldo — just take his unhittable stuff and whack his nibbly offspeed pitches into the opposite field or gaps. Of course, U helped out with being uneffectively wild throughout his 3 innings. I really didn’t see any sort of consistent gameplan with the rox for Zito.
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by WalkInRight on Sep 16, 2009 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants obviously had a gameplan with Ubald
Pray he was wild and threw 50+% balls? Hitting the ball at Garrett Atkins? The Giants didn’t do a bad job by any means, but their gameplan paled in influence compared to Ubaldo’s personal undoing, imo
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hitting the ball at Garrett Atkins?
That could be part of a viable offensive gameplan. :)
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by WalkInRight on Sep 16, 2009 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ironically, I was thinking exactly the same thing in reverse
When EY2 was up the second time and Panda was creeping up for the bunt, I was thinking EY@ ought to try to pull the ball hard on the ground, as he could get it right past the drawn in Sandoval. Plus, it’s not as if EY2 wouldn’t be able to get around on him.
Ironically, Junior did precisely what I thought and pulled it hard, but it was right at Sandoval and he made a 5-hole stab. That kind of game sometimes.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
If Ubaldo threw strikes, the Giants would have been just as helpless/hapless.
As for Zito, you can’t take pitches if he’s throwing strikes (which he was). The only “approach” remaining is to hit the curve – good luck. Give the guy some credit – I think he’s damn good.
Really, the only thing you don’t want is taking strikes (lack of aggression) and swinging at balls (over aggression). If you can’t hit it, you can’t hit it. Zito and Lincecum are where they are by missing bats.
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by Rawktober on Sep 16, 2009 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
alright, let me rephrase
The Rockies consistently look overmatched at the plate against tier one pitchers in their division. Since they see these pitchers multiple times during the season (and over the years) I would hope they have an extremely detailed book on each one and would vary approach and gameplan if they were unsuccessful against them. However, it often seems like they have a ‘Groundhog Day’ (the movie) unvarying approach which sometimes frustrates the heck out of me.
Certainly you can ‘tip your cap’ to the awesomeness of the pticher…and if they get smoked by Johann Santana during their one game a year against him – kudos ! But, I keep hoping to see teamwide progress against the aces in their division and it’s just not there. I think there’s an easy correlation between this and their lack of success within their division over the years.
I’m sure a stathead here will refute me in multiple cases and I welcome it. :)
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by WalkInRight on Sep 16, 2009 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It goes both ways, though.
Yes, we see these pitchers multiple times a year, but the pitchers also see our batters multiple times a year. They can get a detailed book, too. Certainly we would all hope for a little more balance (i.e., our hitters looking better at least some of the time would be nice), but you can’t just look at one side of things.
by holly96 on Sep 16, 2009 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right
the pitchers know what buttons to push. It’s a cat and mouse game where the rox hitters seem to be the mouse more often than not.
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by WalkInRight on Sep 16, 2009 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The pitcher ALWAYS has the advantage
That’s a fact of baseball. You may find this article interesting.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/joe_posnanski/04/22/pitch.counts/index.html
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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 16, 2009 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes, it's a cardinal rule
and I read that article when it came out…but I’m going to stick to my guns and say the rox need to be more productive and creative in their approach against tier one pitchers in their division. This is a pretty generic statement and one I think most of us can agree on. :)
He also needs to add one more trick to his watching the outfielder bit in his opening paragraph —if a ball is hit and the outfielder doesn’t move…he may know that the ball is headed way over the fence. But this is more of a modern day lazy outfielder tactic (ala Barry Bonds).
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by WalkInRight on Sep 16, 2009 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
You kept that nice and generic, hard to argue, lol. But I will try!
You say to be more productive and creative in their approach against tier one pitchers.
First off, baseball can be said to be a game of routine and rhythm, yes? If a batter needs to switch his approach every 4 days because they’re facing a “tier one pitcher”, then that disrupts their mental process. I’d also argue that Tracy has been tinkering with the lineup too much, and disrupting this same mental process.
Also, tier one pitchers are exactly that, tier one pitchers. They get to that level by making batters look foolish, by having nasty pitches, by changing their approach, being unpredictable, and keeping the batters off balance.
So yes, easier said than done when it comes to hitting against top notch pitching.
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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 16, 2009 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's all good
sorry, I’ve quite enjoyed our discussion but I’ve gotta run …I’m sure another discussion of the sort will flare up another day.
And if the rox win tonite, I’lll be all “offense mired in futility? La La La, can’t hear you…”:)
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by WalkInRight on Sep 16, 2009 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you stop looking for positives..
then what’s left?
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by SDcat09 on Sep 16, 2009 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's funny
Nerdy, but funny
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by Rox R Champs on Sep 16, 2009 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
evil
pure evil
/don’t touch it!
/nee Time Bandits
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by WalkInRight on Sep 16, 2009 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone call holly96 and tell her to get to AT&T Park early?
We need to have someone go up and slap every one of the Rockies hitters and say “Damn it, you’re a good offensive team…just go out and hit like you always have and stop thinking”
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 10:11 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't try to hit it hard!
Just hit it hard!
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by Rox R Champs on Sep 16, 2009 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly :)
Don’t TRY to throw strikes, just keep it in the strike zone.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do or do not, there is no try.
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by RdRnnr on Sep 16, 2009 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe because I just read my free will astrology horoscope
but I kind of feel new-age-y on the subject. Tracy says “we need to get the strikeouts down.” Anouncers are talking about all of the strikeouts. The focus is too much on what they don’t want to do, instead of what they need to do.
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by frightenedinmate#2 on Sep 16, 2009 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to, but I'm staying far away.
AT&T has not been kind to me this year (granted, it hasn’t been kind when I wasn’t there, either, but I’m not leaving it to chance). That and I don’t think I could stand Giants fans if we lose.
by holly96 on Sep 16, 2009 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Iannetta is the only guy who likes the red hat
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 10:19 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the Rockies need to break out
the Purple Hats
an/or the Purple Jersey’s
Like Notre Dame and their Green Jersey’s. I don’t know how, but some times crap like that fires a team up and changes their mental approach.
That, and I love the purple stuff.
by Redhawk on Sep 16, 2009 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Helton needs
to borrow the golden thong. I would add some levity to the clubhouse and he could use the mojo for a big night.
I would love to see Giambi step up and have a chat with a few of the guys who seem to really be pressing right now. The veteran leadership and the “been-there-done-that” attitude are big parts of why the Rox brought him in, right?
by Fos on Sep 16, 2009 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That could help
though if it were me, I’d be saying “it’s an F’n SLIDER! Can’t you tell the difference here people?” Which I don’t think would be very calming.
by Redhawk on Sep 16, 2009 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most of the guys have been there and done that
I’m not sure Dex, CarGo, and EY2 are the problem. It’s disappointing that Atkins, Hawpe, Barmes, and Ianetta have been little help lately.
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by Rawktober on Sep 16, 2009 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
But they haven't been
in a lead for a playoff before. It’s a different spot than being the one trying to catch up, and one being in the lead with a target on your back. (and maybe running “Don’t Choke” through your head…which of course always leads to a choke)
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by prettyinpurple on Sep 16, 2009 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talking with
Daley and Carlos they don’t like them.
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by jrockies on Sep 16, 2009 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like Carlos' mohawk.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2009 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leave the mohawk out of this, it is awesome
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by smokinRox on Sep 16, 2009 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
but I also hate on Brian Wilson’s mohawk. If I’m gonna hate on Wilson, I have to hate on Carlos….just maybe a bit less.
If Brian Wilson didn’t have the mohawk, I’d simply say “meh, it’s stupid, but whatever”
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2009 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are allowed and encouraged to hate on anything Giants right now
we don’t have to hold our guys to the same standard, some people just look better w/ a mohawk.
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by smokinRox on Sep 16, 2009 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boo
Mohawks are awesome!
So is shaving stuff into your hear, like a bad late 80’s early 90’s rapper!
Yo VIP! Let’s kick it!
by Redhawk on Sep 16, 2009 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see Ianetta tonight.
I think the Giants will take advantage of Yorvit’s (lack of) arm and with the way the team is playing the last thing you want is a bunch of walks turned into doubles.
They need to stay away from the “Oh God, here we go again” moment.
by Latrock on Sep 16, 2009 10:36 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The team needs to get back to playing good defense....
and that means starting Iannetta over Yorvit, Stew over Atkins, Barmes over EY2, and an outfield of Smith, Fowler, and Cargo. Tracy Ringolsby made this point on the postgame show last night. He said Tracy’s juggling the lineup every night is not working and is unsettling the team (maybe harking back to Hurdle early this season?), so the least they can do is put the best defenders out there.
I agree with that. We in part beat ourselves last night by Atkins being in there and booting a DP ball in the first inning of a scoreless game. That set the snowball down the hill. Caused Ubaldo to use up way too many pitches in that inning, and the rest is history.
PLAY DEFENSE!
by GoRoxGo on Sep 16, 2009 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's hard to stick with a player who is struggling
So I understand the juggling to a degree but agree it has gotten a little too far. Many players credited the lineup and overall player role stability as a reason for the turnaround in June
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d like to see Ianetta ^hit tonight.
Fixed it.
Funny Dog to Make Life Worthwhile
by frightenedinmate#2 on Sep 16, 2009 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I chose
‘searching frantically for the bathroom’ because I think they’ll find what they’re looking for tonight at AT&T Field.
The Rockies need some oldschool purple/white striped high socks. The team’s problem is it’s lack of swagger. I feel strongly that these socks will provide the swagger necessary to tap the potential that are the Rockies.
by Resolution on Sep 16, 2009 11:17 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
hmm
Do I want to know what you think they’ll find in the bathroom? ;0^
I can't decide whether I'm hungry or just really tired.
by WalkInRight on Sep 16, 2009 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
All these "playoff odds" things
probably don’t account for the fact that we play at LA in the last 3 games, which is a major, major problem. Hopefully, LA is locked into their playoff spot and skips their big dogs to set up the playoff rotation, but even then its going to be asking possibly too much of this team to go win a road series in LA this year. We need to stop messing around and lock this down.
This is not on Tracy juggling the lineup, its not on the pitching staff. This is on the popgun offense’s complete inability to put any pressure on the opposing team. The guys with the sticks are professionals and when their names get called, they simply NEED TO GET IT DONE.
Win tonight. Period.
by Teekalong on Sep 16, 2009 11:18 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I think your letting the pitchers off too easily here.
They’ve given up 19 runs the last two nights, to an offense that even Giants’ fans call the worst in the NL.
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Sep 16, 2009 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is the worst in the NL. It's the worst in the majors
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m very very tired of hearing that, and then seeing them light us up. Either we need to stop talking about how terrible their offense is, or they need to prove it.
by Rather Dashing on Sep 16, 2009 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
True that! It just makes it so much harder when they say that Velez/Molina suck
And then they go and rip our guys appart.
by Latrock on Sep 16, 2009 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Life is random
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only for small sample sizes
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Sep 16, 2009 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which 17 head-to-head games can be sometimes even
If it were truly significant, Fred Lewis would be starting every game
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is significant
insofar as we keep losing. we don’t get any extra outs for how bad their offense is when they aren’t playing us.
by Teekalong on Sep 16, 2009 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
but we already have the bonus we do get for that,
which is our lead in the standings. We should get more of a bonus like that after we leave SF as well.
by Rox Girl on Sep 16, 2009 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure enough
at least until we get to LA and SF lands in SD…I won’t feel good about that unless the lead is 3.5.
by Teekalong on Sep 16, 2009 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I'm reading the data correctly at bbref (a big if)
We’re averaging 4.6 runs for the season given up to them. 79 total runs over 17 games. The next biggest team for them to score against is the Padres with 57 runs. I haven’t run a H2H average for every team…
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Sep 16, 2009 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
the playoff odds definitely take into account competition
look at the NL East – atlanta, with a worse record than the fish, has a higher chance of making the playoffs – then look at the schedules…
by RockyMtnCat on Sep 16, 2009 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Braves' superior run differential is a part of that as well
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 17, 2009 8:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Must Win
It’s either 3.5 or 1.5 after tonight. And with the team’s epic fail all season against the Dodgers, a 1.5-game lead is not enough. Heck, a 3.5-game lead is barely enough.
by Yokel on Sep 16, 2009 12:25 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel like a win tonight would be absolutely monumental
The Rockies have never really played well at AT&T, while the Giants are the best home team in the NL and ran out their top 3 starters at a time when the Rockies offense was in a valley…needless to say, this was a grim scenario waiting to happen. However….if we can win just this one game and take that 3.5 game lead headed to the desert while the Giants are headed over to LA to probably get brutally annihilated.
As long as we can keep the lead at 4 games, we will be fine. If we’re not clinched before that last weekend….things could get a little TOO interesting….
"There are only two important things in life: baseball and breathing. But at least you can survive without breathing for 3 minutes."
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by Hollidayrain on Sep 16, 2009 12:30 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
THIS!
"Every day is a new opportunity. You can build on yesterday's success or put its failures behind and start over again. That's the way life is, with a new game every day, and that's the way baseball is."
~Bob Feller~
by AtkinsandTulofan on Sep 16, 2009 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think your sig line is appropriate for today's discussion!
Patrick Saunders: I think Kruk is lazy.
by Rawktober on Sep 16, 2009 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks :)
I thought I would be pro-active. I have faith in our team.
"Every day is a new opportunity. You can build on yesterday's success or put its failures behind and start over again. That's the way life is, with a new game every day, and that's the way baseball is."
~Bob Feller~
by AtkinsandTulofan on Sep 16, 2009 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a side note,
go read FJM on Deadspin. You’ll feel better.
"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill
by Bryce on Sep 16, 2009 1:04 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Used too
be a season ticket holder for the rockies, but moved to good ol oregon, Rockies are gonna do work. this a must win tonight.
"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"
by B-ROYalty on Sep 16, 2009 1:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
All this gnashing of teeth
and rending of garments. It’s time for a little Chicken Dance!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4qOKybOKXs
I can't decide whether I'm hungry or just really tired.
by WalkInRight on Sep 16, 2009 1:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
i would still feel alright even if we did loss tonight
but i think it is a must win just for the simple fact of showing we can win in SF…SF is turning into what NY has been for us
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
"TuLoRocks2008 had the most comments I've seen in any game thread this year (322)...Can such a feat be eclipsed?" ..... Bring it on!!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 16, 2009 1:27 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I posted this above, in response to Rocks rock
but I’ll put it here too…kind of a strange statistic..
Noodle on this spooky stat. (You can look it up!)
Rox lost 3 of 5(I think) into the game on Sept 15, 2007. Rockies lose 10-2 to the Marlins. Ubaldo Jimenez was the starting pitcher. He went 2 and 2/3 innings, walked the first batter and gave up 5 runs, at Coors Field. The next day Sept 16, 2007 we started winning. During that run, we swept LA in LA, and SD in SD. And we won 11 in a row.
I don’t know about you, but I find that pretty intriguing and I’m going to believe its a good sign…:)
Today we are still leading the WC race by 2.5 games. This is a better team than in 07. IMO, this the best Rockies team we’ve ever had. Does it really matter if we win by one game or 5 games? Does it matter if we win ugly or pretty (or lose that way for that matter)? Isn’t the goal to make the playoffs no matter how we get there? Whether by hook, or crook, or luck. Maybe even outplaying other teams?
This funk will NOT last. We will have unexpected players step up, just like we did when we went 9-1 at Coors Field low those whole 10 days ago(or something like that)…
I believe!!
Yorvit Torrealba - Best Name in Baseball :)
Brad Hawpe will get more hits and runs!
by SDcat09 on Sep 16, 2009 2:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
err...*LO not low...lol
Yorvit Torrealba - Best Name in Baseball :)
Brad Hawpe will get more hits and runs!
by SDcat09 on Sep 16, 2009 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, this IS the best Rox team yet, and we should enjoy it!
Maybe we R streaky, but that means we could get REALLY hot too!
CRUSH THE GIANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by prettyinpurple on Sep 16, 2009 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Believe, too
Thanks for reminding me:)
by butterfly on Sep 16, 2009 2:55 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
My gosh there is a lot of pessismism on this thread today
By reading the comments you’d think we had been outscored in the last two games by something really outrageous like 19 to 3!
Umm…
This is baseball… The last two games were painful, but that is baseball…
I LOVE IT
GO ROCKIES!!!
As a spectator, it is not superstition to believe that your behavior influences the outcome of the game… it is narcissism
by Rock Oax on Sep 16, 2009 2:56 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
yes. agreed.
CRUSH THE GIANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by prettyinpurple on Sep 16, 2009 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with RMN on this one
We lead the wildcard. We are in a slump. We are up 2.5. I really am not concerned. The giants have a home field advantage like we do, so it shouldn’t be suprising that we aren’t walking in there goin nuts. Plus, add up our road record without SF,La, and sd. It’s pretty good. Oh and it’d be impossible for us to play on any of those places in the first round. Not concerned.
Also, PR on the iPhone is so much better than on a blackberry. Except that it auto capitalizes iPhone.
by roxintober on Sep 16, 2009 3:07 PM MDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
The poll didn't have my option
The Rockies Are:
Choking
Adrian Peterson is better than your running back.
by free7694 on Sep 16, 2009 3:14 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
They just need some good ole mountain air.
WE ARE NOT CHOKING!
CRUSH THE GIANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by prettyinpurple on Sep 16, 2009 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you quit
Gladly sharing a name with Dexter Fowler!
by ShadowPenguin on Sep 16, 2009 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What, that?
I was just blowing off steam. Yesterday was a rough day for me all around, and I took out my frustration on the Rockies.
I am still very worried that we may be choking.
Adrian Peterson is better than your running back.
by free7694 on Sep 16, 2009 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey!! There you go...you got your quit-itude back....right on!
Yorvit Torrealba - Best Name in Baseball :)
Brad Hawpe will get more hits and runs!
by SDcat09 on Sep 16, 2009 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still here
Just assuming the worst because that’s what I’ve gotten from my sports teams my entire life, except for about a month in 2007.
Adrian Peterson is better than your running back.
by free7694 on Sep 16, 2009 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, at least you've quickly adopted the Farve-ian way
Only 3 more retirements to go ;-P
Gladly sharing a name with Dexter Fowler!
by ShadowPenguin on Sep 16, 2009 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favre*
Stupid name to spell, gah
Gladly sharing a name with Dexter Fowler!
by ShadowPenguin on Sep 16, 2009 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are turning this into an MCC flavored thread
Optimism is a virtue
As a spectator, it is not superstition to believe that your behavior influences the outcome of the game… it is narcissism
by Rock Oax on Sep 16, 2009 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
15+ years of rooting for the Vikings and Rockies
Has effectively killed any shred of sports-related optimism I may have had.
Adrian Peterson is better than your running back.
by free7694 on Sep 16, 2009 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer to take my years of the Rockies
along with these horrible last few years of Broncos and Avs, and look at it as “Hey, at least we’re doing better than last year. Progress!”
Gladly sharing a name with Dexter Fowler!
by ShadowPenguin on Sep 16, 2009 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
umm...your sig line is kind of pessisimistic...is that irony?
and it’s not narcissism..its just plain old fanaticism :)P
Yorvit Torrealba - Best Name in Baseball :)
Brad Hawpe will get more hits and runs!
by SDcat09 on Sep 16, 2009 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
kewl. I made a new word..umm...lol pessimistic was what I meant to type..
Yorvit Torrealba - Best Name in Baseball :)
Brad Hawpe will get more hits and runs!
by SDcat09 on Sep 16, 2009 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is somewhat tongue in cheek
I mean I watch the games with my ball and glove
when we bat I take the ball out
when we field I put it back in
It is superstition, but it is also narcissism… but you are right it is also fanaticism!
As a spectator, it is not superstition to believe that your behavior influences the outcome of the game… it is narcissism
by Rock Oax on Sep 16, 2009 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Being a fan is like falling in love
You have to surrender completely
Rejoice with the good times
Die with the bad time
Make yourself vulnerable and enjoy the ride…
You will never know the pure joy of victory unless you experience the wrenching pain of defeat… and you’ll never know either unless you surrender to it
As a spectator, it is not superstition to believe that your behavior influences the outcome of the game… it is narcissism
by Rock Oax on Sep 16, 2009 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
poetic.
CRUSH THE GIANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by prettyinpurple on Sep 16, 2009 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm telling you, this is all George Frazier's fault.
He comes back to San Diego and we go flush-o. Bring Huson back and we’ll take off again.
"I've had pretty good success with Stan Musial by throwing him my best pitch and backing up third." - Carl Erskine
by pedalpusher on Sep 16, 2009 3:27 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
You're onto something here
Gladly sharing a name with Dexter Fowler!
by ShadowPenguin on Sep 16, 2009 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was talking to my Mom today...
she’s blaming it on the Swine Flu :)
Yorvit Torrealba - Best Name in Baseball :)
Brad Hawpe will get more hits and runs!
by SDcat09 on Sep 16, 2009 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
Huson had a career WAR of -0.3, Frazier of 1.3, so Huson has to make up some ground in CommWAR (not Cummunist War – Commentator WAR) to catch up to the big mayo dog
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cummunist War, eh?
Quite the slip there, PF…
by Muzia on Sep 16, 2009 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
But wait a minute though. Tonight's on ESPN. Frazier won't be on the air. If we win, it will further validate "Frazier's Fault".
"I've had pretty good success with Stan Musial by throwing him my best pitch and backing up third." - Carl Erskine
by pedalpusher on Sep 16, 2009 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the teams still do their own local broadcasts, don't they?
And ESPN gets blacked out?
by holly96 on Sep 16, 2009 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
no no no. Say it ain't so, Joe.
"I've had pretty good success with Stan Musial by throwing him my best pitch and backing up third." - Carl Erskine
by pedalpusher on Sep 16, 2009 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I had to guess
Both will air, and we get to pick which one we watch.
Gladly sharing a name with Dexter Fowler!
by ShadowPenguin on Sep 16, 2009 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just checked my local listings, and it does show both.
But if I remember from similar situations in the past (though I’m not sure if it’s the same as other sports), ESPN ended up just showing ESPN News instead, and I really had no choice.
by holly96 on Sep 16, 2009 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hrm
Guess we’ll just to see which stations actually work once the game starts :-)
Gladly sharing a name with Dexter Fowler!
by ShadowPenguin on Sep 16, 2009 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was I alone in that MLB network had the dodgers game on last night?
Funny Dog to Make Life Worthwhile
by frightenedinmate#2 on Sep 16, 2009 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
no..someone in Cleveland also reported that...
Yorvit Torrealba - Best Name in Baseball :)
Brad Hawpe will get more hits and runs!
by SDcat09 on Sep 16, 2009 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, this is gonna suck
My wife was so jazzed about finally getting to see a game on TV while in the hospital. Plz to NOT be having it show ESPNews instead.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2009 5:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're correct. I just checked the listings for 8:00 PM and both FSRM and ESPN have the game listed. Crap.
I’m off to find a long piece of rope.
"I've had pretty good success with Stan Musial by throwing him my best pitch and backing up third." - Carl Erskine
by pedalpusher on Sep 16, 2009 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh....
I have nothing to say
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but what's their record this year when on the air? Don't confuse me with metrics :).
"I've had pretty good success with Stan Musial by throwing him my best pitch and backing up third." - Carl Erskine
by pedalpusher on Sep 16, 2009 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I certainly think this is a topic for next week's email the booth.
"I've had pretty good success with Stan Musial by throwing him my best pitch and backing up third." - Carl Erskine
by pedalpusher on Sep 16, 2009 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love that
It’s only mildly less applicable that CarGo’s crazy record
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2009 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here are the nationally televised games for the past two months
I’m not sure if there were earlier games
Aug 6 @Phillies L 0-7
Aug 22 Giants W 14-11
Aug 27 Dodgers L 2-3
Aug 29 @Giants L 3-5
Sep 3 Mets L 3-8
Sep 10 Reds W 5-1
Sep 15 @Giants L 2-10
upcoming games
Sep 16 ESPN
Sep 27 TBS
so far they’re 2-5
by ddavis539 on Sep 16, 2009 5:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, screw this negativity
I’m pumped.
BRING US CAIN!
Patrick Saunders: I think Kruk is lazy.
by Rawktober on Sep 16, 2009 3:33 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Rosebud...
I can't decide whether I'm hungry or just really tired.
by WalkInRight on Sep 16, 2009 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prediction:
PAIN
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Sep 16, 2009 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
drawing by Natto
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Sep 16, 2009 4:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll bring plenty of exuberance to the game thread tonight.
Irrational , and otherwise…
I’m a fan, and am very high on this team, but they have to occasionally give me something to believe in. Lots of runs to horrible offenses is not it.
I’m done whining.
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Sep 16, 2009 3:39 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
For you optimists
(and I can’t decide which side of this fence I’m on today), maybe we need to bring back a little of the ’07 magic.
It's Seth Smith's world. The rest of us just live in it.
by rockhead on Sep 16, 2009 3:48 PM MDT reply actions 9 recs
rec'd
We all love our team, and they mean more to us than they probably should.
Believe.
We can talk, analyze, criticize, praise, etc…
Or we can Believe. Cross your fingers, have hope, and see what happens
by Muzia on Sep 16, 2009 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, I feel like printing this pic out and making it into a poster or something!
CRUSH THE GIANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by prettyinpurple on Sep 16, 2009 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Background on my computer.
"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln
Purple Row - Covering all your Rockies needs!
by Russ Oates on Sep 16, 2009 5:43 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
ditto...
despite my comments earlier.
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Sep 16, 2009 6:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good idea
It is now mine also.
By the way, it’s good to see so much hope today. I had to leave the game thread last night I was so sick of the way people were talking.
by controlled_slide on Sep 16, 2009 6:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny thing about Hope
Hope only becomes useful and important when things are most hopeless. Faith is only useful and important when you’re believing in the unbelievable.
I’m paraphrasing Chesterton, but it applies. I Believe.
by Yokel on Sep 16, 2009 5:52 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
Here’s the full quote BTW…
"To love means loving the unlovable. To forgive means pardoning the unpardonable. Faith means believing the unbelievable. Hope means hoping when everything seems hopeless."
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Sep 16, 2009 7:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you lose hope, somehow you lose the vitality that keeps life moving, you lose that courage to be, that quality that helps you go on in spite of it all.
Mike McCoy Status: FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seth Smith Status: Bludgeoning Baseballs
Chris Iannetta Status: OH MY GOD GET SOME HITS YOU'RE MAKING ME LOOK LIKE AN ASS
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 17, 2009 6:57 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure it's been a rough couple of days
But this is a huge opportunity tonight to BEAT DOWN THE GIANTS!!!
by amoeba on Sep 16, 2009 6:01 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
BTW
How in the heck did this thread not become a Dodger game thread this afternoon? I obviously need to be keeping a better eye on the day games!
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Sep 16, 2009 8:04 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Congrats on the win!
I was afraid that de la Rosa would come through like that against our swing happy offense. I would have preferred just going with the offense that beat down your pitchers the previous two days, but I’m not the manager.
Good luck, though I still hope for an epic meltdown on the part of someone (Dodgers, Rockies, I’m not picky :^) so that the Giants can squeek in.
But it don’t look good now, the conductor is cueing the closing music for the Giants….
Adoptive parental unit of Ehire Adrianza.
Godfather of Travis Ishikawa.
"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
"Woo hoo" - Tim "The Kid" Lincecum
"Let's go get them in 2009!" - The Kid
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Sep 17, 2009 12:38 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
not to rub it in
but if the Giants make the playoffs, mother of God that will be an epic Dodgers collapse
because it ain’t gonna be us
see you in da NLCS
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Seth Smith Status: Bludgeoning Baseballs
Chris Iannetta Status: OH MY GOD GET SOME HITS YOU'RE MAKING ME LOOK LIKE AN ASS
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 17, 2009 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
amen
CRUSH THE DEMONDBACKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by prettyinpurple on Sep 17, 2009 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
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