Rockies 5, Mets 2: Giambino's first hit wins game for Rockies
by Russ Oates on Sep 2, 2009 9:51 PM MDT
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PrintThe Mets really are the cure for what ails you. Well, at least temporarily. As it stands, the Rockies have taken the first two games from the Metropolitans and look poised for the sweep tomorrow afternoon.
Jason Giambi made the most of his pinch-hit appearance by knocking in two runs in the bottom of the eighth to break a 2-2 tie. At the same time, let's not overlook Ubaldo Jimenez's solid, solid effort over eight innings. His .342 WPA was tops for the game.
Jimenez picked up his 13th win of the season, making him the third Rockies' pitcher to reach that plateau. Jorge De La Rosa has 13 and Jason Marquis leads the staff with 14. Back in February, who thought those two would have the top win totals on the team?
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Giambino for MVP!
"I've never known a man worth his salt who in the long run, deep down in his heart, didn't appreciate the grind, the discipline... I firmly believe that any man's finest hour - this greatest fulfillment to all he holds dear is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." - Vince Lombardi
The Giambino doesn't do push ups.
He just pushes the earth down.
"There are only two important things in life: baseball and breathing. But at least you can survive without breathing for 3 minutes."
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Just watched the Street interview...
….and I’m worried. Sounds like they’re stepping lightly about it, but bicep tendinitis isn’t something that just goes away a in a couple of days.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
street has bicep tendonitis?
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 2, 2009 10:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah
It sounds like he might be out for at least a week or so, maybe more. I hope he comes back quickly, since he’s been money all season.
Yeah, he's been money
Even if someone covers for him, it means sliding everyone up an inning, meaning…hello 7th innings in close games, Juan Rincon and Joel Peralta!
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
or the starter just keeps going
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 2, 2009 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Sure, but Tracy already stretches them as far as he can
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
Hopefully, it's just a few days/week, and it doesn't really come up
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
Probably pain/inflammation
where the muscle attaches to the shoulder
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
Not sure how familiar you are with tendinitis
The athletic trainer at the school I coach at has been a US Olympic trainer on a couple of occasions, so I take her word on good authority. What happens is that the tendon hooks on a bone or muscle and doesn’t come off, causing severe discomfort. This is why guys can’t play with plantar fasciitis, since that’s tendinitis in the foot.
It will be nearly unbearable for a time, then all of a sudden the pain will be gone when the tendon detaches.
"You were born to be a player. You were meant to be here. This moment is yours." -- Coach Herb Brooks' pregame speech prior to the Miracle on Ice
I don't want "playing down to the level of the competition" to also mean
that we catch the injury bug from said competition. Take it back, Mets!
Okay, moment of irrationalism over.
Great win, and best of luck to Huston.
Here we go...
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;ylt=AviD1vAenH42CCYtZe5uF6oY0bYF?slug=ap-rockies-streethurt&prov=ap&type=lgnsylt=AviD1vAenH42CCYtZe5uF6oY0bYF?slug=ap-rockies-streethurt&prov=ap&type=lgns" target="new">
Oh god!
Please no please no please no no please no please no no please no please no no please no please no no please no please no no please no please no no please no please no
President of the Don Draper fan club.
Jholy Chacin FTW
Give Street time to recover get him ready for the last week of September. I bet we are missing Hirsh
My friends do not panic…I’ll let you know when to panic.
Hey Rincon, guess what!-Apodoca
What?-Rincon
You’re closing!-Apodoca
Does this mean they'll bring up Chacin?
Even ESPN BBTN guys just said the Rockies couldn’t afford to go a week without their closer right now. It seemed that Chacin did a good job late in the game the first time around.
Ubaldo, DLR and Marquis are really good
Since June 4, the Rockies are 34-14 when they’re on the mound. They’ve combined for a 3.34 ERA and a 2.4:1 K/BB ratio.
Total runs we’ve scored in the 14 losses: 32
"Good teams win games, horse**** teams have meetings." - Ozzie Guillen
Based on what Jim Tracy said to night
It sounds like they plan on using him in the post season. I’m not sure about the technicalities of eligibility or anything.
Yes
he was in the organization prior to Sept.1 That’s basically the requirement. (it’s not nearly all…but really all one needs to know)
My understanding has always been...
that a guy has to be on the 25 man major league roster on August 31 to be eligible. September call up guys are only eligible if there’s an injury.
Things may have changed, but I haven’t heard otherwise.
Here's the best explanation I can find
I can’t find the official rule anywhere, since MLB.com only has the rules of gameplay, but I did manage to find that postseason roster eligibility is governed by MLB Rule 40a.
To be eligible for a team’s playoff roster a player must be on either a)the 25 man active roster, b)the disabled list, c)the bereavement list, d)the suspended list as of August 31st at midnight.
This isn’t the official rule, just the clearest explanation I found, and I don’t think it’s entirely accurate.
Now, I’ve heard that a change has to be “position-for-position”, but I believe that’s only in the middle of a series. Teams get to set their rosters prior to every series, so I actually think that everyone on the 40-man roster is eligible at the start of a series, but you couldn’t give a guy a spot if he’s not on your 40-man prior to August 31 at 11:59:59 PM EST.
"You were born to be a player. You were meant to be here. This moment is yours." -- Coach Herb Brooks' pregame speech prior to the Miracle on Ice
of course....
the question is — do you really want to carry a guy who can only PH and maybe play some 1B in the post season. If he stays, who goes? An extra bullpen arm? Quintanilla? Your 5th starter (Contreras, I guess)?
I love the idea of having a stick like that off the bench, but I’m not sure if it’s worth leaving you shorthanded on the bench or in the pen.
As long as....
you don’t get any extra inning games or need to do a lot of double switches, you can get away with that. But , having witnessed in person the disastrous results of the Rockies running out of position players in the post season (thus launching the username PinchHitLancePainter) I’m not inclined to shorten my bench that way.
Anyway, it’s probably a moot point anyways since, if the Rox really wanted to have him for the post-season, they’d have added him to the roster before yesterday.
As I understand it....
he was one of the 4 guys added from CS when the rosters expanded. That would mean he was activated yesterday, on the 1st.
But he was IN THE ORGANIZATION
before…so he’s eligible to be added to the post season roster, so long as there is a player that was on the 25 man before Sept 1, that is injured (like…say Embree)
See….the extra rules are complicated…the basic thing to know is were they in the organization.
Right...
he’s eligible, but only by injury. If he was up a day earlier, he’s just plain eligible. EY Jr, for example, is eligible for the post season right now (not that he’ll be there – he’s holding Fowler’s place)
EY2
could be interesting. He might make the roster over Q, and be used as a pinch runner. That’s the kind of bench depth moves some teams make.
Personally, I would stay with the mix that brought a team to the playoff, and you never know when an injury is going to happen, and for that Q is so much superior then EY2
And in the event of injury, we make a 1 game shuffle
say Barmes goes down, we can put Stew at 2B, Atkins at 3B, and then make an injury replacement with Q.
If Tulo, then Barmes to SS, repeat
If Stew, Atkins to 3B.
If Helton, Atkins or Giambi to 1B.
OF should be pretty obvious
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 3, 2009 8:43 AM MDT up reply actions
You don't need a 5th starter
so they are usually the ones to go. Now some teams like having extra bullpen arms, others like another hitter on the bench.
Yeah....
that’s the only way this works — if Contreras (assuming he doesn’t dominate over the next month) gets some mystery ailment. But, if it’s really only position for position, that wouldn’t really work.
Really, the only situation that probably works is Helton (god forbid) or Atkins going down. You can’t argue that Giambi, position-wise, is anything but the backup 1B.
if the injury replacement rule still requires position-for-position replacement
(which fooman and I have concluded has likely been eliminated – see Smith for Cook 2007 replacement), it is simply a pitcher-for-pitcher, or non-pitcher-for non-pitcher requirement. It would not require 1B-for-1B replacement for example.
Patrick Saunders: I think Kruk is lazy.
That makes sense
Still, I’m not sure it’s wise to replace a functional position player (other than Atkins or helton or perhaps Stewart) with Giambi, as he really can’t do anything other than PH or play a little first.
That said, if the Rox get to the WS, it wouldn’t shock me to see Q come down with something just in time for Giambi to step in as the DH :)
I think the closest we got to an answer was in this morning's rockpile.
I refer you to this comment and this comment
My interpretation of this being that Giambi is only eligible if another 1B goes on the DL, but I’m still fuzzy on this.
I think we at least determined (based on nebulous sources, but still) that
the position requirement is gone now.
Sources were
mlb.com, saying Seth Smith made the 2007 roster after taking Cook’s spot, and the Boston Globe quoting Boston’s director of baseball operations. Both sources were from 2007, so I suppose rules could have changed again.
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
I think I'll make a fanshot of it...
but I found a website (updated August 25, 2009) saying it has to be for the same position.
If that's the case, the only other....
…guy besides Helton who’s injury could be legit reason for Giambi getting on the roster would be Atkins, as he’s the backup 1B.
They don't cite any sources
So I have no idea how to evaluate it.
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
haha that would be nice
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
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by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 2, 2009 11:48 PM MDT up reply actions
btw
if I’m counting correctly, the Dodgers now have four #5 pitchers: Kuroda (ready to be activated), Haeger (pitching out of pen, but has started recently), Garland, and Padilla.
Patrick Saunders: I think Kruk is lazy.
Huh?!
Kuroda was their opening day starter and has an ERA of 4.09, 3.45 FIP and 3.29 tRA. He is so much better than a number five. It’s unfair to include Haeger if he’s in the pen, and Garland/Padilla are better that fifth starters. Besides, unless something strange happens, the only thing that matters is their front three (maybe four) for a playoff series.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 3, 2009 1:19 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah Kuroda is solid, big fan
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 3, 2009 7:05 AM MDT up reply actions
The Dbacks just won
It looks like they’re doing a good job in their spoiler role against the Dodgers. Unfortunately, we face them next and they always seem to give us problems.
Hmmm, I guess in light of Steet's injury
Morales should be the closer. It’s a tough loss with Street, but we lost him (it’s weird saying this) at the right time, with a week of bad teams coming our way, and he’s going to be out for a week at most. We shouldn’t panic: as long as Betancourt and Morales can hold down the 8th and 9th, we’ll survive, and having Beimel, Daley, and Herges for the 7th inning isn’t a tragedy. As long as our starters go 6 (Like usual) we’ll be fine, especially while we play bad teams who are likely to give us a lot of runs.
My guess is it will depend on the situation
Tracy seems to like matchups, like when Street was unavailable for the game vs. LA.
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
That was one day facing the 2nd best offensive lineup we'll face
We’ll face the Dodgers once more when Street will likely be better. No, I believe Tracy will go towards stability, as he should in September, giving people specific roles. In a race, in close games, you gotta have a both 7th and 8th inning set up men, along with a stable closer. This will be for almost a week, and I have to believe that while this will happen, he’ll absolutely need Morales and Betancourt to go one inning each in close games, with Beimel and Daley working specific matchups if something happens.
If it weren’t September, and if we had a bigger lead, I’d probably agree with you, but this isn’t the time for closers-by-committee.
by bballrox4717 on Sep 2, 2009 11:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh, and I love Jason Giambi
Great game tonight, good performances all around, especially for Jimenez, Giambi, and Smith. Hopefully we sweep tomorrow.
At the game tonight...
The crowd absolutely went nuts for Giambi. It was great.
Also, more worrisome to me than Street, as Frankie was lights out…would be BRAD HAWPE. He needs to sit for a week when Fowler gets back.
It's almost a wash.
But I’d go Smiths…honestly.
Right Field defense with the rest of our outfield doesn’t really matter.
But right now, Smiths first inning HR would make up for that issue.
Smiths consistant bat compared to what Hawpe is doing easily compensates the occasional times we’d lose Hawpe’s arm.
Plus...
Hawpe was having a career year. I don’t believe we are near a career year from Seth Smith this year.
Doesn't matter
Smith wouldn’t play RF. It would be Smith in left, Fowler in center, Gonzalez in right, and Gonzalez has a tremendous arm.
"You were born to be a player. You were meant to be here. This moment is yours." -- Coach Herb Brooks' pregame speech prior to the Miracle on Ice
Gonzalez would be a huge improvement in RF...
and you can put anyone in LF and be good.
See: Manny Ramerez and Ryan Braun.
yea, where is that guy
seriously, when he was on, I’ve never seen a guy look so comfortable at the plate. Now…
Patrick Saunders: I think Kruk is lazy.
And that's the thing...
We don’t have this conversation right now if he stayed at least half of what he was in the first half…but he’s fallen apart.
Since July 1.
OBP drop 25 points, slugging drop 80, BA drop 50 points.
The drop in slugging is the worst part of all this. He’s had 6 HRs since July 1st….he had 6 in June.
I don't think that's it at all
The guy’s batting average has dropped almost 40 points since the All-Star Break. He’s really been early-season Tulo/Atkins, but he got a big hit tonight. It’s not like he’s hitting balls right at people. He’s striking out at a seriously alarming rate, as in 2-3 times every night.
"You were born to be a player. You were meant to be here. This moment is yours." -- Coach Herb Brooks' pregame speech prior to the Miracle on Ice
And at least 93 of them have been this week
"You were born to be a player. You were meant to be here. This moment is yours." -- Coach Herb Brooks' pregame speech prior to the Miracle on Ice
To compare
Dexter Fowler, the guy who gets the most grief about striking out…
In the same time period…56Ks to 41Ks.
Granted less ABs, but Hawpe should be getting a lot more grief…Fowler walked the same amount as Hawpe…
Wow I suck at typing...
56Ks to 41BB…
Just to add, Fowler had 40 less ABs in the time period we are talking.
I agree about Hawpe...
his double was a big hit in 8th, but otherwise he fanned twice and grounded out and he’s striking out at a frightening rate lately.. When Fowler returns, I hope Tracy doesn’t just sit Smith and use him strictly as PH, good as he is in that role. The guy can flat-out hit
Roster eligibility
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"You were born to be a player. You were meant to be here. This moment is yours." -- Coach Herb Brooks' pregame speech prior to the Miracle on Ice
Giambi!!!
What a great addition to the team! The players love him, the fans love him and he delivers in the clutch. You gotta love this guy.
great game tonight
i’m glad Jimenez still ended up with the win he deserves it…no run support again for awhile…nice job in the 8th though…Go Giambinoo
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
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rockies have the 2nd winningest trio
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 3, 2009 8:03 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
WINS
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 3, 2009 8:43 AM MDT up reply actions
that was for your benefit
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 3, 2009 2:50 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Giambi, Funny because when i said he was gunna be a rockie
Everyone blasted me saying it wasnt true. Then when it became a rumor people were all saying why do we need this guy? People were saying they were gunna boo him because he might have done steroids. Now, people love the move? Make up you narrow minds people. Rox Girl was the only person on this board who was on board in the beginning. Just funny to see people change because of what they might think of someone before they get a chance to see them play. Yea he sucked in Oakland but he was used wrong there. He’s already helped you win one game and now its a great move isnt it? Paying the minimum for a guy who can change the game with one swing and is a great veteran clubhouse guy.
yep, you're right
we were wrong
But we also like to cite our rumors, so you must understand our incredulity.
I could come into Athletics Nation and say “I hear you’re looking at Mark Mulder to finish 2009, just sayin’” and not have to give any sort of substantiated evidence, and I’d probably be received in a similar fashion.
So while you can come in and nah-nah-nah-nah-told-you-so all you want, the fact remains that you didn’t give any sources, you didn’t link to any rumors or talk of Giambi, and now you’re calling us narrow-minded. We don’t really appreciate any of that.
Not everyone was against Giambi coming here. I know I wasn’t, I didn’t care. I figured he’d be bench depth, which he is, and if he sucked, oh well, he was prorated league min. Thus far in his first 2 PA as a Rockie, my opinion has gone from “meh” to “yay”.
His past is his past, everyone has one. That’s difficult for some people to get over. And don’t act as if everyone on AN was totally thrilled about it, I’m sure you heard people complaining about his sketchy past in terms of PEDs. I’m sure every team would have people who stand firm on that particular issue. Don’t single out Purple Row because our fanbase reacted as any other fanbase would have.
So yeah, you called it. Be a bigger person and don’t come in calling names and making sweeping generalizations. It’s petty and unnecessary.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 3, 2009 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Exactly as RMN said it
If you want credibility, you have to give a source, or a good logical reasoning for what you’re promoting.
“Giambi will be a Rockie, believe me” with no source doesn’t lend itself to overwhelming support.
“Giambi will be a Rockie when rosters expand to be a left-handed pinch-hitter” actually makes sense, will gain support, because our main left-handed pinch-hitter when Smith starts was Quintinilla.
But yes, you were right, I just wished you could’ve explained your reasoning originally, instead of throwing out one liners that sounded like trolling.
Gladly sharing a name with Dexter Fowler!
by ShadowPenguin on Sep 3, 2009 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions
I will give you props..
good call! The proposal was just so far out of left field that it was suprising. You must be close to Jason somehow to know about that in advance. I’ve never been a big Giambi fan however so he’ll need to continue to prove his worth before I root for him personally.
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Congratulations
as a reward, on your death bed, you will receive total consciousness. So now you’ve got that going for you.
And by the way, I always agree with Rox Girl, so by rule, was also correct on the Giambi call.
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