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Tuesday Scoreboard Watching Thread: Marlins play two vs. Phillies; Dodgers, Giants and Braves all on the road

As the Rockies get closer to clinching a playoff berth, Purple Row is starting to shift into playoff mode as well. This will mean more frequent posts to the front page, and as you've probably begun to notice already, old time users can expect a deluge of new visitors. Most of the newbies will be Rockies fans for right now as the season winds down, but as the season ends, fans from other sites and teams that are no longer playing will also pop in with greater frequency.

On different days these added FP posts will be different things depending on what our writers feel like. Since I sort of threw this on them yesterday and I have the most free time right now, that would explain why you get so much Rox Girl today, including this sort of lame cop-out post.

But hey, I do have a Ross Gload quote that takes note of the Rockies:

"It's getting to where we have to win every game," Florida's Ross Gload said. "It's getting to the point where we're running out of games. If Colorado wins every game the rest of the year, it doesn't matter what we do.

"The Phillies are going to be tough. They're way ahead and they have good pitching. Most of the season, you say, 'It's in our hands, and if we take care of business, we'll be all right.' That's not necessarily the case [anymore]. We need some help from some other teams in some other areas."

 

Starting pitchers after the jump:

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Philadelphia Phillies at Florida Marlins, Game 1:

 


Next Game

Philadelphia Phillies
@ Florida Marlins

Tuesday, Sep 22, 2009, 2:10 PM MDT
LandShark Stadium

Joe Blanton vs Josh Johnson

Partly cloudy,rain. Winds blowing in from center field at 5-10 m.p.h. Game time temperature around 85.

 

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Game 2:

 



 

 

Los Angeles Dodgers at Washington Nationals: 

 


Next Game

Los Angeles Dodgers
@ Washington Nationals

Tuesday, Sep 22, 2009, 5:05 PM MDT
Nationals Park

Hiroki Kuroda vs Livan Hernandez

Mostly cloudy,rain. Winds blowing out to left field at 5-10 m.p.h. Game time temperature around 75.

 

Complete Coverage >


 

 

Atlanta Braves at New York Mets:

 


Next Game

Atlanta Braves
@ New York Mets

Tuesday, Sep 22, 2009, 5:10 PM MDT
Citi Field

Jair Jurrjens vs Nelson Figueroa

Mostly cloudy. Winds blowing in from right field at 5-10 m.p.h. Game time temperature around 70.

 

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San Francisco Giants at Arizona Diamondbacks:

 


Next Game

San Francisco Giants
@ Arizona Diamondbacks

Tuesday, Sep 22, 2009, 7:40 PM MDT
Chase Field

Matt Cain vs Doug Davis

Clear. Winds blowing in from right field at 10-20 m.p.h. Game time temperature around 95.

 

Complete Coverage >



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Nope, but at least there's an optimal home field advantage for most of the games

and the two Florida games that don’t have that do have them facing the best offense in the league. I would expect at least a couple of these games to fall the Rockies way.

by Rox Girl on Sep 22, 2009 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but the original matchups were worse

Before some of the starters got bumped/injured:

SF vs. AZ WAS Lincecum vs. Jericho Scott before they both were bumped

LA vs. Washington used to be Kuroda vs. Gladys Postwill

and ATL-NYM originally was Jurrjens vs. Sister Thomas

Too bad old man river is still starting for the Phills, though

by denver_sc on Sep 22, 2009 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

ok good work on this

I was amused

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 22, 2009 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Although I just read the Deadspin article from this August

Which gives another side to the story. Chapter 2 of the Jericho Scott saga is now concluded, Chapter 3 will probably start next summer.

by Rox Girl on Sep 22, 2009 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nice widget use

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 22, 2009 1:35 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks, I was going to just list them when I remembered we have those nifty preview boxes

all ready to go. This way we also get weather forecasts and people can also click through to extended coverage around SBN. Although that reminds me that I could also attach this thread to all those games. I’ll go back and do that now.

by Rox Girl on Sep 22, 2009 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nothing wrong with more RG

I always appreciate your writing.

by Muzia on Sep 22, 2009 1:38 PM MDT reply actions  

Score updates

For those who aren’t aware of it, www.4info.net provide free text message alerts for sports scores and bunches of other stuff (I reviewed 4info on my blog a while back → http://www.observingcasually.com/4infonet-review/ )

You don’t need a smart phone – anything capable of receiving a text message will work. Most of their text messages are free (including all of the spots ones, I believe) – they include a mini text at the end of the messages. If your provider charges you for text messages, those fees will still apply.

I set my phone up to receive Giants scores (in addition to Rockies scores and a notification every time Tulo gets a hit)

I’m not a paid spokesperson, just a huge fan of the service.

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by kosmo on Sep 22, 2009 1:40 PM MDT reply actions  

I was surprised to see

the giants as a slim 6:5 fav.

the phils are pickem in game one, small fav in game two.

rest of the lines are over 2:1 in favor of the braves, the rox and the dodgers.

Good guys win, we get one or two of the others (good call RG) to fall our way…

by RockyMtnCat on Sep 22, 2009 1:44 PM MDT reply actions  

For those of us that prefer Monte Carlos

Favorite : Win %
Marlins 64% (GM 1)
Dodgers 70%
Braves 64%
Giants 57%
ROCKIES 62%

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 22, 2009 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

People in Denver

What is the weather doing???
Forecast is not very baseball friendly (50% chance of rain) figured I’d ask for a 1st hand account from friendly Denver area rowbots

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 22, 2009 1:44 PM MDT reply actions  

Pretty cool

but dry right now. If the same weather holds, they should be fine for getting it in. The rain that has fallen off and on since Sunday night has been really light, and hasn’t kept up for more than a half hour at a time.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 22, 2009 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Word is Winter Storm Warning

at midnight

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 22, 2009 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

For elevations above 7,000 feet

We won’t see snow in Denver, per Dave Aguillera

With great mustache comes great responsibility

by Rox R Champs on Sep 22, 2009 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

But

6-12 inches in the foothills? In September? You kidding?

With great mustache comes great responsibility

by Rox R Champs on Sep 22, 2009 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

That means Golden?

This is exciting me except for the fact that I have to drive in it.

"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK

by jrockies on Sep 22, 2009 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

According to NOAA

1-3 inches in a rain/snow mix for Golden… overnight. Additional 3-5 possible tomorrow

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by Rox R Champs on Sep 22, 2009 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Dear Josh Johnson

Please stay far away, in the National League East. Better yet, any American League teams you’d like to play for? You’re from Minnesota, the Twins will have a brand spanking new field next year, huh?

Love,

Frightenedinmate@2

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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 22, 2009 2:01 PM MDT reply actions  

His first inning of striking out the side was fantastic news for my fantasy team

Which is in the playoffs right now, but not so good news for the Rockies.

by Rox Girl on Sep 22, 2009 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

hey

we’re gonna win

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 22, 2009 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

9 K's through 4 and a third

But losing 2-0

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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 22, 2009 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

6-0

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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 22, 2009 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the updates

Go Phillies (for now)

"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK

by jrockies on Sep 22, 2009 4:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

i live in NJ

Braves might have to play a double header or a make up game…next few days it is supposed to rain…looks like it may tonight…

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 22, 2009 2:10 PM MDT reply actions  

By the way

that picture looks as if they’re chasing Paul Newman around the field

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 22, 2009 2:31 PM MDT reply actions  

That or he just went back to the 70s.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 22, 2009 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Rock Oax previous weather post and AZ open/close roof debate

and Coors “Home field” advantage got me thinking/researching a bit. Some facts:

“As you move to higher altitudes, air pressure decreases significantly — about 3 percent for every 1000 feet of elevation. So a moving baseball experiences about 16 percent less drag at the 5,000 foot elevation of Denver’s Coors Field than at a sea-level stadium like Boston’s Fenway Park”

“We think of humidity as something that’s added to the air on a hot, muggy day. So you might think that a ball would go farther on a dry day than on a humid day. But for every water molecule that we add to the air, we have to remove a heavier nitrogen or oxygen molecule. Since the addition of humidity actually makes the air less dense, a ball will go farther on a humid day than it will on a dry day.” The changes in air density related to humidity are not large: Compared to dry air at the same temperature and pressure, there’s only about a 1 percent reduction in density for a humidity of 80 percent."

My conclusions: Making the park bigger might result in less HR, but increase in extra base hits to from field coverage problems. Humidity in the air is basically a non factor(see above). The “softer” humidor ball does affect hitters distance, but no affect on pitchers control/movement. Elevation seems to be the key here in Denver, and my take
is, that it does affect pitcher’s ball movement as well as hitter’s distance. So my thinking is that “home grown” pitchers who spend a year or so at Colorado Springs may indeed have an advantage to succeed in Coors. A lot of babble, but something to
discuss on a dreary day if you’re bored.

by GoodOleBoyCo on Sep 22, 2009 2:56 PM MDT reply actions  

Yes, Denver has two issues ... AZ only has one

Both CO and AZ are VERY
The humidity issue is just about the ball… a dried out ball is harder and has a higher coeffiecient of restitution (more energy is transfered to the ball from the bat). This impacts both batting as all other things equal there will be more HRs and all hit balls will be moving faster and travel farther than they otherwise would as a result it can have a positive impact on batting stats and indirectly a negative impact on pitching stats although pitching itself is not directly affected. Humidity really is not an issue for any other ML team besides the DBacks and Rockies. This “issue” can be solved with a humidor as has been demonstrated by the Rockies.
The altitude issue is unique to Coors field among ML teams. Denver is about 5 times higher than any other ML park. High altitude and the corresponding lower air pressure impacts BOTH pitching and hitting DIRECTLY. The reduced friction from lower air pressure reduces the “movement” caused by spin (actually a function of “lift” and “drag”). It also allows the ball to travel farther with the same amount of energy. There is no way to address the Pitching aspect to this and the only way to address the hitting aspect is to build a bigger park (which has collateral impacts in terms of more base hits).
Everyone initially thought that the issue in Denver was just the altitude and that it was not solvable. Fortunately someone figured out that there were two issues and one of them WAS solvable. Arizona only has the solvable issue, but they have not taken the initiative to solve it.

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 22, 2009 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

I read somewhere that humidity also affects the stitching on the ball.

When the ball dries out, the rawhide shrinks and pulls on the stitches, which in turn get pulled flat. The result is that the ball is “smoother” and will have less movement.

by RoxnSox09 on Sep 22, 2009 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I've looked at this before also.

And as I’ve posted elsewhere, I think the ~15% in air density between sea level and Denver is part of the reason the Rockies struggle on the road, especially early in road trips. Both drag and lift (which causes “break” on curveballs, sliders, etc.) are directly proportional to density, so the ball moves differently at Coors Field than at all other MLB parks. When Rockies hitters head out on a road trip after a long home stand, they have to suddenly adapt to new pitches. It’s kind of like switching from AAA to major league pitching.

One other thing you didn’t mention above, however, is temperature. Air temp can cause almost as big a difference as altitude. The current temperature in Denver is somewhere around 50 F; when compared to the last day game I attended at Coors, when it was around 90 F, the density today is about 7.3% greater. Hopefully this will benefit the Rockies more today. At least they should be somewhat adjusted to the greater density after the nine game road trip.

by RoxnSox09 on Sep 22, 2009 3:15 PM MDT reply actions  

Woops, reply fail.

I meant to respond to GoodOleBoyCo.

by RoxnSox09 on Sep 22, 2009 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good point about temps

Although it does not cancel out altitude.
Also true about breaking balls on the road. However I am of the opinion that Major League players should know this by now and be able to adapt quickly (like BP or one AB rather than 7-8 games…).
Otherwise we make a lot of the same arguments.
Any ideas why AZ doesn’t humidify? pride?

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 22, 2009 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Perhaps they think it fits their team model better,

or the increased offense draws more fans. I personally think the Rockies have done a good job of addressing the issues that arise from their unique situation, at least in the last few years. By getting pitchers who get groundballs, and fielders who excel in converting those grounders into outs, and then tailoring their infield grass to slow down those grounders, I think they have done a good job of limiting opposing offense at Coors Field as much as possible. Now, if they can find a way to help their hitters adjust on the road, they will be tailored to take maximum advantage of their situation.

by RoxnSox09 on Sep 22, 2009 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Of course ...

Knowing it is one thing. Being able to make the adjustment is entirely different (and more difficult).

I’m guessing that BP pitchers don’t have the same quality of breaking ball as the guys you’d see in an actual game, making it a bit more difficult to get acclimated during BP.

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by kosmo on Sep 23, 2009 8:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Knowing is one thing

Reading and Learning is another.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 23, 2009 8:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

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