Aaron Cook and Huston Street returning, but how much did we really miss them?

by Rox Girl on Sep 23, 2009 1:00 PM MDT in READ and LEARN Comment 112 comments

Sometimes I don't get the way the mainstream looks at the Rockies, or sports in general, actually. I look and see Colorado as a combination of many wonderful parts working more or less in sync with each other, where players come and go with injuries or what have you but the team as a whole keeps on chugging along, while they seem to find these little day to day injuries as more crucially important. This afternoon I was looking at our new SBNation.com portal site to see if their StoryStream was saying anything about the Rockies and the NL playoffs in general, and indeed it was, but the other big Rockies related bit they're following is the story that Aaron Cook returns to the rotation Friday, along with Huston "not Houston" Street's return from three weeks off with biceps tendinitis last night.

Yeah, Purple Row rides the short bus of baseball blogging for not making a full front page story about these returns sooner to get some search engine love, but we're not entirely to blame here, by winning at the same pace they were before the injuries, the Rockies have been making it look like both players are pretty extraneous to the team.

	W-L	G	GS	CG	SHO	SV	BS	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	K	ERA	WHIP
2009 - Aaron Cook	10-6	26	25	1	1	0	0	145.0	167	75	72	18	46	75	4.47	1.47

Despite his 10-6 won/loss record, the Rockies are only 12-13 in Aaron Cook starts in 2009. Given the amount of innings he pitches, however, the team is more more than happy to welcome him back this Friday. Since he last started on August 21st, the Rockies have switched to a 4.1 man rotation, with replacement starters Josh Fogg and Jose Contreras picking up just three starts while the other four members of the starting staff have started the team's other 26 games. While this strategy has worked (the Rockies have gone 18-11 in that time frame) recent poor starts (such as the 2.1 inning debacle by Jorge De La Rosa last night have shown cracks in the dam and that the Rockies really could use their workhorse to pick up some innings slack and keep the other four starters sharp heading into the playoffs. Nonetheless, the Rockies gained one game on Atlanta, two and a half on Florida, and four games on the Giants in the wild card chase while Cook was absent.

	W-L	G	GS	CG	SHO	SV	BS	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	K	ERA	WHIP
2009 - Huston Street	3-1	59	0	0	0	33	1	55.1	39	19	18	6	11	63	2.93	.90

Street, meanwhile seems poised to return to his closer's role and many Rockies fans will say not a moment too soon. Again, however, while the Rockies have missed him, it hasn't exactly shown up in the standings yet, with Colorado having an NL best record of 13-6 since he went down with his arm issues on September 1st. Again, this isn't to say that the Rockies aren't a better team with Street, they most certainly are, and the same absolutely holds true with Cook, but in 2009 they are showing themselves to be a team that can absorb minor injury losses very well.

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A lot of this will depend if Cook is over whatever was wrong earlier.

Historically, Cook will come back being a positive thing. This season, however, has not been a strong one for him, and I’m sincerely hoping we see Aaron Cook Classic™ rather than New Cook™.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 23, 2009 1:07 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

we takes a licking and keeps on ticking...

our depth has been a real strength this year.

sadly, depth is generally less important in the playoffs – there, front line big guns take over – particularly in the pitching arena.

we need goodbaldo, goodjose and goodjason to REALLY crank it up.

with Street back, I think we have the best bullpen in at least the NL – a back three of raffy, morales and street is very serious, and the guys in front of them won’t be chopped liver (daley, beimel, flores??, etc etc etc)

by RockyMtnCat on Sep 23, 2009 1:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Who is goodjose? And for that matter, goodjason?

by RoxnSox09 on Sep 23, 2009 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

good

Jose De La Rosssssaaaa

and Jason Marquis

I’d take good Jason Hammel too….

by RockyMtnCat on Sep 23, 2009 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, you mean

Jorge…

The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.

by rockieprogress on Sep 23, 2009 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

duhhhhhhhhh

sorry, multi tasking at work…

blushes

by RockyMtnCat on Sep 23, 2009 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

To atone for it

you have to spend one hour reading at MCC.

The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.

by rockieprogress on Sep 23, 2009 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

what there could possible take an hour??

&(&%())(^&)^%$^#$%^$()%^#^&&)(^*&%

goes by pretty quickly…

by RockyMtnCat on Sep 23, 2009 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

You could have just said you meant

GoodJose Contreras

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 23, 2009 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's what I was afraid of.

I think that guy is long gone. He hasn’t been seen in these parts since early 2006.

by RoxnSox09 on Sep 23, 2009 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

He is 48 now

by Redhawk on Sep 23, 2009 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

But he was a great pitcher when he was 44

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by Mondogarage on Sep 23, 2009 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

i don't care who's good

but i doubt it’ll be contreras

by RockyMtnCat on Sep 23, 2009 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

you have to do it over and overa again

like saying “Hail Mary’s” or the Rosary.

seems pretty harsh punishiment to me for one mispelled worde.

by Redhawk on Sep 23, 2009 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not surprising coming from someone who misspelled "word"

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 23, 2009 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

there's more then that one :)

by Redhawk on Sep 23, 2009 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Post season rotation

Hammel-for road games…he shall never pitch a Coors
Ubaldo-as often as possible
Cook-because he has experience
Marquis-he’s the 4th starter…I’m leery of him because of his recent struggles.

Jorge….Jose….no way.

by lizardlad01 on Sep 23, 2009 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Keeping DLR out of the postseason rotation

Due to a bad start in bad wet rainy weather yesterday? He’s been lights out the entire second half.
If we’re going off recent starts, I wouldn’t have Marquis start in the playoffs, he’s been out of whack this last month.

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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 23, 2009 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Disagree with leaving JDLR off. Optimally you'd be set up for

Jimenez – game 1
Hammel – game 2
JDLR – game 3
Marquis or Cook – game 4
Jimenez – game 5

by Rox Girl on Sep 23, 2009 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just realized that this could give us Hammel vs. Hamels in Philly

Which would be kind of amusing unless they went with Blanton there. Lee would go against Ubaldo, Blanton or Hamels vs JDLR at Coors, and Happ vs Cook or Marquis.

by Rox Girl on Sep 23, 2009 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

JDLR and Marquis are interchangable at this point

JDLR i’m worry about an emotional meltdown in the playoffs.
Marquis…well look at his stats so far this 2nd half.

Now, that I think about it throwing JDLR out on a playoff game might be fun it will either be amazing or be so horrible that Marquis will have to start in 2nd inning of it.

by lizardlad01 on Sep 23, 2009 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Man, you're really letting last night's game cloud your vision

The Rockies have lost THREE of DLR’s starts since the start of JUNE.
4 months and 3 losses? I’ll take that anyday.

Compare that to Marquis. Rockies have lost 9 of Marquis’ starts since the start of June. Honestly, I trust DLR to give a better start than Marquis.

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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 23, 2009 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Okay:

From FooMan:
1st half: 11-6, 3.65 ERA, 4.13 FIP*, 6.85 IP/GS, 4.2 K/9, 2.9 BB/9, 0.66 HR/9
2nd half: 4-5, 4.15 ERA, 3.92 FIP*, 6.5 IP/GS, 5.2 K/9, 3.2 BB/9, 0.58 HR/9

Forget the W-L, Marquis has been about the same, actually perhaps a bit better in the second half overall. The last five starts? You may have a point. But not the whole second half.

throwing JDLR out on a playoff game might be fun it will either be amazing or be so horrible that Marquis will have to start in 2nd inning of it.

Marquis has failed to get out of the fourth inning twice this season too. Ubaldo once.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 23, 2009 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

If you guys have time

take a look at the game by game log for the starting 5 pitchers against playoff teams. If the Rockies go by which pitcher had had the most success I think the rotation shapes of this way.
1.Marquis
2. Cook*
3. Ubaldo
JDLR is pretty bad…look at him against the Phils, Dodgers, Cardinals. Marquis has beaten these teams resoundingly.

*Cook….might be switch out for Hammel/JDLR in a Dodgers series but not in a Cardinals series. Also it depends on how he does this Friday.

by lizardlad01 on Sep 23, 2009 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

You're looking at a skewed sample for JDLR

Against the Phillies was in April and his bad start against the Dodgers in May. He was fine against the Cardinals and other starts against Los Angeles. I still see no reason not to trust him.

by Rox Girl on Sep 23, 2009 6:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Alright,

I’ll just through Cook out but JDLR is emotional and the playoffs are an emotional experience. Truth is the only real lock in is Ubaldo….the other four are extremely ~~very~~ debatable.

by lizardlad01 on Sep 23, 2009 7:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't pay much mind to head-to-head matchups

I look at what DLR’s done lately. Yeah, he sucked 2 nights ago. Before that, Nails.

We’ll see what he does with his next couple of starts, and then debate what to do with him.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 24, 2009 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I respectfully disagree.

Uball did not do well in his SF start, but no one would dream of leaving him out of the rotation.

Trying to remember if anyone had a good start in SF…

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by frightenedinmate#2 on Sep 23, 2009 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Couldn't disagree more with leaving DLR off

He is a no brainer as a top three pitcher for this team. Also, don’t discount Hammel pitching at Coors. The Rockies have lost – count them it – ONE of his last 10 starts at home. I would agree with RG’s order, though I’m not sure I like Hammel being the guy trying to stave off an 0-2 deficit should we lose Game 1

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 23, 2009 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Short series rotation?

I can’t imagine we’d really run 4 guys out there, so the question to me becomes Cook or Marquis? Ubaldo and DLR are locks for me, and I cannot fathom that Tracy will skip Marquis. So if Cook is back, perhaps he takes Game 4 if we are ahead in the series…

Really, I expect Uball/Marquis/DLR/Uball/Marquis with the possible Cook exception above…

by Teekalong on Sep 23, 2009 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

IAWTCC

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 23, 2009 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am without the can coozy?

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by frightenedinmate#2 on Sep 23, 2009 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with this comment completely :)

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 23, 2009 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

thank you, i was thinking the exact same

by El Paso Jeff on Sep 23, 2009 5:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sounds about right

However, I think a lot depends on Cookie’s showing this Friday. If he looks good in the last 2 starts of the season, he might get the nod if Marquis struggles.

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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 23, 2009 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think teams really do the three man playoff staff very often

Unless there’s a clear need/advantage with it, and in the Rockies case, I don’t see that. I don’t see that Marquis is much if any upgrade over Hammel and JDLR isn’t enough of an upgrade over any of our other pitchers either. The only pitcher it makes clear sense to throw out a second time is Jimenez.

by Rox Girl on Sep 23, 2009 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right

and that’s my thought…if we lead a series 2-1 it makes sense to give Cook a shot with Uball set for game 5, but in an elimination game for us, I’ll wanna see Jiminez.

by Teekalong on Sep 23, 2009 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hammels OPS against in Coors is downright elite

You know, it makes all the batters into a Jason Bay type.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 23, 2009 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

His BABIP against must be close to

Paul Phillips’ w/ RISP then

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 23, 2009 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

hahaha good call

yeah, his BABIP is like .380. I wish I had like LD% splits and such.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 23, 2009 4:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Now that we have an SBNation.com home site to "compete" with the big news site

Maybe you can head up a massive stats side project to bring fangraphs and B-R to their knees

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 24, 2009 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

mother of God

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 24, 2009 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would retract my statement but...

Looking at game by game basis…of the pitcher being discussed. I still don’t have any confidence in JDLR when it comes to pitching against playoff teams look it’s a disaster. Marquis is a step up from him because he has beaten the Dodgers not once but three times, Ubaldo hasn’t even had half of the success Marquis has had against the Dodgers! (3rd time is coming September fyi :)

Looking at Jimenez, Cook, Marquis, Hammel, Contreas, and JDLR game by game log against playoff contenders, this is my recommendation for starting pitchers against the Cardinals, Dodgers, or Phillies.

Jimenez
Marquis,
Cook

From the way the pitching is set-up it looks like a nice audition for both Cook and JDLR to try to win a starting spot in the post season. The history and the stats give Cook/Marquis an edge over JDLR.

Anyway, I know all of guys will disagree with me but that’s baseball. At least I’m not telling you to invest in Enron.

by lizardlad01 on Sep 23, 2009 6:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Marquis has been very solid in 3 starts against the Dodgers.

So it kind of comes down to what you trust more: 3 solid starts against the Dodgers, or 3 starts in September where he had no control and got shelled.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 24, 2009 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dodgers' bullpen is probably better at this point:

Broxton, Sherrill, Belisario, Troncoso, etc. are pretty formidable.

Eschew Obfuscation!

by Jeff Aberle on Sep 23, 2009 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

true

but i’ll be a homer and stick with our group…

by RockyMtnCat on Sep 23, 2009 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Besides...

There’s no evidence to suggest Belisario’s arm is still attached to his shoulder at this point.

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by Mondogarage on Sep 23, 2009 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

this

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 23, 2009 4:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

they're all exhausted and overworked by Joe Torre

aside from their weathered and faded rotation, they have a worn out bullpen as well.

Also Ronnie Belliard is clearly hurting the Dodgers. Them grand slams and stuff.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 23, 2009 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oddly, this makes me a little pessimistic

Most teams do suffer some when their Opening Day starter and closer go down for a month. The fact that we did just fine means a combination of two things:

1) We are deeper than most teams, which allows us to stomach injuries better. However, depth is a strength that is smothered in the playoffs in favor of upper end talent and luck.

2) We happened to get some players “over-achieving,” like Franklin Morales or Jorge de la Rosa. Be it from regression to the mean or fatigue, they probably can’t continue at that rate, meaning we won’t necessarily even get a net boost from Cook/Street

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 23, 2009 1:17 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't see DLR as a regression-to-the-mean candidate

at least not too sharply. He’s improved since we’ve had him, both in strikeout ability and control.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 23, 2009 4:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Depends on which control volume you choose

The last four starts before last night? Definitely. The second half in terms of W-L? Definitely. Overall? Maybe not.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 23, 2009 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe last night was his regression to the mean.

If you look at his post ASB stats including last night, he’s no longer so extraordinary. He’s lucky the Rockies pulled out a no decision for him, but that’s not really his doing. I’d expect him to be pretty sharp for the rest of our season still.

by Rox Girl on Sep 23, 2009 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I strongly disagree

his 2nd half stats are studly.

9.2 K/9, consistent through both halves, but his K/BB has jumped from 2.15 to 2.41, and his OPSa dropped by .010. I know massive, right? But it’s a positive.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 23, 2009 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

If you're strongly disagreeing, I'm not sure you're getting what I'm saying

I’m not saying his 2nd half numbers aren’t very good, of course they are, I’m saying they are no longer extraordinary, or in another word, unsustainable. Now they appear somewhat in line with his second half performance in 2008, which makes me much more confident that he can keep this pace.

by Rox Girl on Sep 23, 2009 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh oh oh

I completely misunderstood you. I read it as “2nd half = unsustainable lol suck” and took “not extraordinary” to mean that he was just plodding along, and you couldn’t be wronger….yeah

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 23, 2009 5:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would give him a mulligan last night

I know he’s been around here a while, but it was frickin cold. I don’t think too many pitchers could really be on with a night like last night. I would bet that getting an effective grip on the ball would be pretty tough in the cold and rain. Especially for a guy that grew up playing baseball in Mexico.

by Hizilla on Sep 23, 2009 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Street wasn't needed until Morales regained his mental case form

Now, if we don’t have Street for the playoffs we are toast. I am officially on the Fire Morales bandwagon. I hope we can move him in the offseason.

by holliday5 on Sep 23, 2009 1:24 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Morales is 23, look at the ages for all the other closers in the league

You need to be patient, most players don’t get to the top of their games until they’ve spent a few seasons in the league.

by Rox Girl on Sep 23, 2009 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

what she said

good grief….

by RockyMtnCat on Sep 23, 2009 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also, I think Morales seems to have similar stuff to De La Rosa.

I was going to say better, but that’s a strong statement. But Morales doesn’t seem to be as much of a head case as JDLR was when he came to the Rockies, plus he’s young as Rox Girl mentioned, so I don’t think he’s worth giving up on yet. Though I am in the “Morales as starter” camp. I’m not sure he’d make a good closer.

by RoxnSox09 on Sep 23, 2009 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

We talked about this in another thread, so I'm posting this twice

but Morales was doing very well for himself in the 7th inning. Not the 9th, clearly not the 9th. But Morales-Betancourt-Street is a solid chain.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 23, 2009 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

This

Much less pressure in the 7th and he can work his stuff. He was so good in the 7th before that he got the closers job when Street was injured. So many forget so much.

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by Rock Oax on Sep 23, 2009 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

For being a short-term audition

He was scary, but decent.

He’s like Shawn Chacon but talented.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 23, 2009 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

ouch on the Shaq zinger

He is more valuable as a starter…I hope he wins a spot in the rotation next spring.

for now its a huge atta boys for the job he did the last three weeks.

HUGE ATTA BOYS!!!!!

by El Paso Jeff on Sep 23, 2009 5:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Really?

Chacon was awesome. Just not as a closer.

by Teekalong on Sep 23, 2009 6:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Chacon was mediocre with flashes of brilliance

I liked him in the rotation.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 24, 2009 9:21 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

You must be very lonely on that bandwagon

You must be kidding me. I’m glad you’re not O’Dowd. There is absolutely ZERO reason to ship out a 23-year-old lefty who can hit 98, has nasty breaking stuff, and has an ERA under 3 as a reliever. And he’s 6 of 7 in save situations, very impression for a young mental case pitcher. So he’s given up three runs this month. Do yourself a favor and look at Huston Street’s April line again.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 23, 2009 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh wait

maybe we can trade Morales and Stewart for Longoria??

i’d do that in about two heartbeats…. lol

by RockyMtnCat on Sep 23, 2009 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was thinking we could trade them both for Bengie Molina

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by Mondogarage on Sep 23, 2009 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's a free agent

by Redhawk on Sep 23, 2009 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Then they would probably be willing to accept our offer.

by RoxnSox09 on Sep 23, 2009 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I do want a Molina

seems everyone else has one

by Redhawk on Sep 23, 2009 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Let's get Alfred

There’s no fly ball he couldn’t track down

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 23, 2009 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

one of my brothers in law is a small time actor in LA

he knows alfred – want me to get him on the line and we if he’s available???

by RockyMtnCat on Sep 23, 2009 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

yesplzkthnxbai

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 23, 2009 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ha Ha....Molina would need a chocolate cake clause

in his contract.

by GoodOleBoyCo on Sep 23, 2009 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

speaking of chubby giants

kung fu panda is going to fat camp this winter…

by RockyMtnCat on Sep 23, 2009 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is Juan Uribe going too?

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 23, 2009 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol

not that i noticed.

i can’t remember where i saw it, when i do, i’ll fanshot the link.

by RockyMtnCat on Sep 23, 2009 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I happened to see the funniest gif ever on McC

He was running the bases, and looking over his shoulder and they edited in a piece of pie where he was looking as he ran. Then he tumbled right on his belly.

by GoodOleBoyCo on Sep 23, 2009 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

This one?

I just start laughing everytime I see it :-D

Gladly sharing a name with Dexter Fowler!

by ShadowPenguin on Sep 23, 2009 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions 7 recs

that is too classic

i’d take him in a heartbeat though, and if he loses some weight and gets in shape – that is an BIG TIME player…

he’s big time right now, but i’d worry a LOT about the injury factor.

by RockyMtnCat on Sep 23, 2009 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Injury?

Like congestive heart failure?

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 23, 2009 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Classic..

I like Sandoval, but I do think that if he can not trim down he will deminish rather quickly with age.

What if the hokey pokey is what it is all about after all????

by FlyAway on Sep 23, 2009 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for re-posting this....chuckles some more at it.

by GoodOleBoyCo on Sep 23, 2009 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

an absolute classic.

Never had seen that one before.

by JaySantos on Sep 23, 2009 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I had to rec it

Sandoval weighs as much as Shaq. So much about “Giants offense”

"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway

by LACK on Sep 23, 2009 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, man.

I just watched that about 20 times in a row and it does not get old.

by holly96 on Sep 23, 2009 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I laughed so hard I cried

mmmm chocolate cake mmmmm

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 23, 2009 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

The McC'ers seem to really have Bengie because he's taking away AB's from Buster Posey, who really isn't that good

If the Giants sign Oliver Miller, they will officially have the fattest MLB roster.

Matt Cain, I’m looking at you!

"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway

by LACK on Sep 23, 2009 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Relief ERA is dumb

That said, .612 OPSa (although a disturbing .339 OBPa), a 1.93 K/BB (not spectacular) but a 9.7 K/BB, and that’s pretty solid for a 23 year old. He’s allowed 5 runs in September, btw.

Mike McCoy Status: FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seth Smith Status: How do you like me now?!
Chris Iannetta Status: Yeah...see you in the Spring, big guy...

by Andrew Martin on Sep 23, 2009 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not sure someone who would want to jettison Morales would understand OBPa

Tailoring the argument is all :)

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 24, 2009 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

fair enough, fair enough

I replied to your comment, but not so much to YOU, you know?

Mike McCoy Status: FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seth Smith Status: How do you like me now?!
Chris Iannetta Status: Yeah...see you in the Spring, big guy...

by Andrew Martin on Sep 24, 2009 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know

Now get on cataloguing batted ball splits

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 24, 2009 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

alright but you need to start making an app for it

Mike McCoy Status: FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seth Smith Status: How do you like me now?!
Chris Iannetta Status: Yeah...see you in the Spring, big guy...

by Andrew Martin on Sep 24, 2009 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ha ok

I bet my environmental engineering training will be very helpful for software programming. I know V=IR, and that’s about it for anything electronic

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 24, 2009 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mmmm, I love overreactions

They’re so useful in flagging bandwagon or uninformed fans :-)

Gladly sharing a name with Dexter Fowler!

by ShadowPenguin on Sep 23, 2009 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Holliday5's not really a bandwagon fan, he's been around

He is one to take a pessimistic outlook usually, but this one goes a bit extreme.

by Rox Girl on Sep 23, 2009 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Be nice

Earlier in the year Rox Girl and I got into a discussion about Ian Stewart. I was ready for him to walk the plank because he did not seem to make adjustment to the adjustments pitchers were making to him and he seemed to loose concentration and boot easy plays while making the amazing play. She was nice to me and used much the same argument of he is young and really has not had enought time to say for sure. While I am still not totaly sold on him (I do love his power) just yet, I am coming around and I am willing to see what happens next year. I also concede that pulling the plug on him earlier this year would have been a big mistake.

What if the hokey pokey is what it is all about after all????

by FlyAway on Sep 23, 2009 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, I can't argue with that story

Honest discussion about a player in that case is always good. We can all stand to learn things about the game, which is one of the reasons I love this site. Great discussion and learning potential.

But I stand by my uninformed fan statement. If you come in stating strongly that a player needs to be removed from the organization asap, I expect for you to have done some research and have some statistics to back it up. Basing arguments on the last 4 games you happened to watch on TV, which is what Holliday5’s post seemed to me, that’s a knee jerk reaction.

Gladly sharing a name with Dexter Fowler!

by ShadowPenguin on Sep 23, 2009 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

If's around both players

If Cook has the sinker going rather than leaving things up in the zone where they are hittable, then yes it will be great getting him back. If not the bullpen could be taxed and so getting Cook back could actually be a bad thing. Of course that could be said about any player in any sport (If he plays well he helps the team if he doesn’t he hurts the team….no really? gee thanks for the scoop FlyAway.)

If Morales can stay under control, he can be pretty dominant. When he is really on he could even be better that Street. However, for a 23 year old kid that is a big IF. I would much rather have him in the 7th and Street in the 9th.

Just my opinion but I think the Rockies are a better team with Cook and Street back, just like they would be a better team if Hawpe got hot again and was hitting about .320. My point is, this team has enough depth and enough fight in them that even if one or two guys are not producing due to an injury or a slump, the Rockies and (manager of the year regardless of what the East Coast sports writters say) Jim Tracy can move around some parts and keep the train charging down the tracks.

What if the hokey pokey is what it is all about after all????

by FlyAway on Sep 23, 2009 1:44 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

The issue with Cook is if the Rockies start him

in the playoffs. He should get 2 starts before then to see if he’s ready to start in the playoffs. He wasn’t exactly dominating BEFORE he was hurt.

Street is really important though. It will move the pieces back into their proper roles. I like Morales a lot, but, the pressure of closing was getting to him. He needs to go back to a less pressure spot, and set up. This is a learning period for him. I think one day he could be a very good closer, but there needs some growing time for that…and in the playoffs…is not the space for that.

He could also be a plus starter if he chose to be one.

by Redhawk on Sep 23, 2009 1:51 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Playoff rotation:

UbACEldo Jimenez, George of the Rose, Marquis, and Hammel

"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway

by LACK on Sep 23, 2009 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Street is a huge edition to the club

down the stretch and in the post-season…never had to really sweat with him in the 9th…Morales has a ton of talent and has the potential to be great but he is nothing more than a 7th/8th inning guy right now ( or a starter of course)…sure he did good in the closers role at first but if we stuck with him as the closer the rest of the year…idk i wouldn’t feel safe with many leads like i do with Street

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

MAGIC NUMBER: 7!

by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 23, 2009 1:54 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

safe??

i’m not sure i’d live with even one more 9th inning like the last game in san fran or last night..

by RockyMtnCat on Sep 23, 2009 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

exactly what i am saying

that is my point

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

MAGIC NUMBER: 7!

by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 23, 2009 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just a quick peek at Cook's game log

And

I say for June 6, heck yeah. 8 innings, 1 earned against the Cardinals.

April 18, 24, May 26, and August 6, not so much. April and May games were losses to the Dodgers. August 6 was a loss to the Phillies, he didn’t pitch that poorly but did leave with toe issues.

Funny Dog to Make Life Worthwhile

by frightenedinmate#2 on Sep 23, 2009 2:14 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs