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Colorado Rockies slip up again in loss to San Diego - The Denver Post
True or false?

The Rockies simply can't handle prosperity.

Krieger: Rockies skipper may have overmanaged in latest loss to Padres - The Denver Post
I don't believe "may have" needs to be in the above.

Morales loses his control - The Denver Post

A scout at Coors Field said Morales was rushing his delivery and his arm is dragging, leading him to aim the ball.

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Jeff Francis and Manny Corpas both pitched yesterday in instructs. Francis usually threw his fastball around 86 mph and as high as 89 mph in 47 pitches over three innings. Corpas had his secondary pitches working, but has some work on his fastball left. Troy Renck believes that Corpas will be shopped this offseason.

Holliday cheers: Former Colorado Rockie returns to Coors Field as a St. Louis Cardinal - The Denver Post
Welcome back to Coors Field, Matty. Just don't do anything to hurt the Rockies.

Cook gets start in bid to make playoff rotation - The Denver Post
Make it a hell of a return, Cookie. We need it. The Official Site has more on Cook's return.

Helton not looking too far forward in race | ColoradoRockies.com: News
Todd Helton staying in the here and now as playoffs approach.

Baseball Prospectus | Prospectus Today: Post-season Bullpens
For subscribers only, but Joe Sheehan ranks the possible postseason bullpens by WXRL. The Rockies are 20th in total WXRL, and Sheehan notes that this "undersells the Rockies a bit." He says something nice about how the Rockies bullpen has changed over the season.

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Thanks Rockies

I literally couldn’t sleep last night because of that bullpen tankjob….Guuuuuuuuuuuuuh

by moomacher on Sep 25, 2009 7:31 AM MDT reply actions  

Oh god I hate that!

A couple of times lately I’ve woken up in the middle of the night and I could check the Rox game, but I’ve stopped myself from doing so because if they lost I’d be too upset to sleep!

by biondino on Sep 25, 2009 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thank goodness, I'm not the only one

I think this is becoming unhealthy…and yet I love every unhealthy moment..
Group therapy may be in order before this season is over…

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego con RISP
Brad Hawpe- It's not funny anymore..seriously.
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, waiting to swoop into the playoffs!

To ALL Rockies - Do not make me live in a world where John Kruk is right....

by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2009 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think that is the most angry I have ever been after a game this year

Between the ridiculous strike zone, the bad call on Hundley’s steal, all the bloop hits by the Padres, and Tracy’s hatchet job on the game, I think there was steam pouring out of my ears all night.

by Roberbola on Sep 25, 2009 8:26 AM MDT reply actions  

You may want to

visit a doctor for that.

"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln

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by Russ Oates on Sep 25, 2009 8:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Easily Tracy's worst game as manager.

Yanking (no pun intended) Hammel at that point was inexcusable.

Given how shaky our bullpen has been, if we have a starter who has his A game going on that night we need to ride him.

Last night has officially put me in panic mode.

by JaySantos on Sep 25, 2009 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm still not sold on the bullpen actually being that bad

No, Morales did not bring his good stuff. I do not forgive him.

I don’t see what the point is of “let’s see. I could bring Betancourt in to start the 8th, or I could just leave Beimel in and let Raffy have to deal with traffic….let’s do the latter! I hate giving Raffy a clean inning to work with! I might as well call for IBB on the first batter of the inning! He’s better like that, right?”

JIM TRACY, PAY ATTENTION: LET YOUR PITCHERS WORK INNINGS. QUIT TOYING AROUND AND WAITING UNTIL IT’S A BAD SITUATION BEFORE YOU BRING YOUR STUDS IN. WHAT ON EARTH IS WRONG WITH YOU?

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2009 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

September and the expanded rosters

have not been kind to Tracy…its like now that he can use 10 pitchers a night he is way to into micromanaging matchups and leftie righty stuff…

by moomacher on Sep 25, 2009 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

I truly and honestly wonder

at what point a GM calls a manager and says “look, quit dicking around with this cutesy crap and do what we’d BEEN doing that made us win games.”

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2009 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

I wasn't able to watch much

but I did see the ball that Tulo robbed a hit on, right before Hammel was pulled. The TV guys were talking like they hadn’t squared him up much, was that the case? Seemed like he was at least in the zone for the most part.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 25, 2009 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

as a followup

I really really think this is the problem.

I’m also against overusing “role” pitching, in the sense that “CLOSER GETS THE 9TH AND THATS ALL EVER”, but at the same time, I’m not against loosely defined roles “Morales/Daley get the 7th, Betancourt/Beimel get the 8th, Street gets the 9th, and they can all bleed over if they’re needed early”

Not “WELL GEE BEIMEL CAN START THE 8TH >base hit< OH SHUCKS WELL HERE WE GO RAFFY TIME TO WORK WITH TRAFFIC”

I’m sure there’s a different mentality to “Hey Raffy, Morales and Daley got themselves into a jam here, and we have RHP coming up who has a pretty big strikeout propensity. Can you come punch one out to help them?” as opposed to “Hey Raffy, I know you’re supposed to start the 8th, but we decided to let Daley keep going, and now he has a runner on 2nd with nobody out….ready to go?”

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2009 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe Tracy just needs to forget his extra toys

I dunno, I’m flummoxed to be sure….

Dear Rockies - Do not make me live in a world where John Kruk is right....

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego con RISP
Brad Hawpe- It's not funny anymore..seriously.
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, waiting to swoop into the playoffs!

by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2009 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

I honestly think this is the issue

He’s been bringing people in for the left/right matchups, pinch hitting for nearly every player in the lineup, and just sticking his nose into situations that don’t need him meddling.

Make a starting lineup. Let the starting pitcher go 7 innings and 100 pitches. Use your established bullpen guys to end the game. Pinch hit for the pitcher only, give your starters some confidence. If and only if a player is struggling immensely, then you can pinch run or replace them.

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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 25, 2009 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Why did Tracy leave Hammel in to get ONE out

when he came to bat with 2 runners on? Either pinch hit for him, or let him pitch. Tracy screwed up twice.

As for Morales, even I could see his delivery was off, and I’m no professional scout. Leaving him in that long was a mistake. Yes, Morales needs to fix himself, but last night was not the time or place for it.

by Redhawk on Sep 25, 2009 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

IAWTC

I’m fooling around with a little study on our bullpen and inherited runners.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2009 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

I would like to see this.

Based on absolutely nothing, I feel like there’s some of them that always struggle in that situation, and others that are better. I feel like Morales and maybe Raffy struggle, Daley seems to get it done. But I’d love to see numbers to back it up or not.

by holly96 on Sep 25, 2009 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

Before last night, Morales was 16 of 23 in stranding inherited runners

I remember 6 of those runners scoring…Tuesday night against the Padres and that Tatis grand slam in New York…

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 25, 2009 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

And I believe Raffy has only allowed 2 inherited runners to score

which I saw mentioned in an article somewhere…bah, can’t find it.

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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 25, 2009 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah I'm taking a bit of a turn in it

But similar to most statistics about relief pitchers, they’re usually completely wrecked by one bad outing.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2009 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sometimes even one pitch

that’s not even in the strike zone (a la Frankie at Citi)

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 25, 2009 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1

Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.

by RdRnnr on Sep 25, 2009 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

Went to lunch yesterday

(before last night’s debacle) with my Dodgerfan friend who is the biggest Tracy critic you’ll ever meet, and he was already laughing (again, before last night) about how Tracy was going to manage us out of the playoffs. But mostly he was laughing at me for saying I thought Tracy deserved and extension. He basically said “as a Dodger fan, I wholly support whatever moves you make to keep Colo from being a threat to LA in the division, and hiring Tracy is step 1.”

Now, I fully recognize he’s going over the top a bit and part of the Dodgerfan anger has to be that Tracy has turned the Rox into a viable threat. I still think Tracy should be retained…if…we don’t blow this. If we do choke our way out, I’m not sure what to think. I never thought this team would be where it is right now, and he deserves tons of credit for that. But at the same time, its inexcusable if he can’t finish it off.

I don’t think I can even watch this weekend, I’m starting a vacation (what do they call it, “staycation” when you just stay at home? It’ll be like the Burbs. I should be in Hawaii but 9 month olds on planes probably not a good plan) and I have literally nothing to but watch games and I don’t even want to because I don’t want to ruin the break. God I need help, this team is killing me.

by Teekalong on Sep 25, 2009 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

"The 'Burbs" is my wife's favorite movie.

Let me know if you need any help taking out an alarm system, or sifting through your neighbors trash…

Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.

by RdRnnr on Sep 25, 2009 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Red rover, red rover

let Art go on over…

Man I love that movie.

by Teekalong on Sep 25, 2009 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

According to the fangraph last night

I picked a perfect game to not sit at home and watch/pull out my hair.

by Muzia on Sep 25, 2009 8:37 AM MDT reply actions  

I have the most unsettling feeling in my stomach right now...

I’m not sure if it’s because of the belly flop I did while attempting to slide in my softball game last night, my significant other’s cooking, or the Rockies’ apparent inability to seal the deal.

Probably the latter of the three.

Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.

by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 25, 2009 8:46 AM MDT reply actions  

I feel as if Cook is a clean slate for some reason

Also rec’d

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2009 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Many many pitchers used over the last 3

When you are limiting your Friday starter to 70 pitches. Let’s hope those 70 get Sinky McSinkerson into the 8th.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 25, 2009 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well

he had a CG with 74 at one point. Time to do it again?

"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK

by jrockies on Sep 25, 2009 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

heh..you said it...

and rec’d

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego con RISP
Brad Hawpe- It's not funny anymore..seriously.
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, waiting to swoop into the playoffs!

To ALL Rockies - Do not make me live in a world where John Kruk is right....

by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2009 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

Tonight's game

would be a good one to watch with a six pack or a bottle of red wine.

but I don’t drink anymore… hmmmmmm

by RockyMtnCat on Sep 25, 2009 9:09 AM MDT reply actions  

I'll be at school again

so yeah, maybe a six-pack.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2009 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

Why do we have to play the matchups??

I agree that too many players available to Tracy have led him to tinker too much with the lineup as well as with matchups with the pen.

Down the stretch just play the starters now matter if a lefty or righty is pitching and pinch hit later in the game if someone is not getting wood on the ball.

Regarding pitching matchups….last night was a major foul on Tracy’s part. Hammel would have taken care of business like he had all game. I’m pretty sure that he wanted that 10th win!

HAVE SOME FAITH TRACY.

BTW, not feelin’ it tonight for Cookie and the Rox. Good thing I’m going to a concert and wont be able to catch the game. Still have faith that they will hang on to the WC though. If they would just play like they want the division instead of just holding onto the Wild Card. It’s kind of like the prevent defense in football, that usually prevents you from winning.

by TripleT-Rox on Sep 25, 2009 9:47 AM MDT reply actions  

Excellent analogy TRox on the prevent defense...

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego con RISP
Brad Hawpe- It's not funny anymore..seriously.
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, waiting to swoop into the playoffs!

To ALL Rockies - Do not make me live in a world where John Kruk is right....

by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2009 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

Tracy seems to have a short memory

I don’ understand his post-game comments about being surprised the Morales wouldn’t be able to throw a strike. Didn’t he remember the bullet dodged the other night when Morales almost blew a 5 run lead in the 9th? Or maybe the middle game in SD, when Morales walked in the winning run? If Morales is going to be used, there should at least be a very short leash, don’t leave him in after a bloop hit, followed by a 4 pitch walk…. Perhaps Chacin should be given more of a chance, he looked pretty good the other night.

I’m also wondering if Dexter isn’t feeling well or something? His effort in the game last night seemed pretty lack luster. He didn’t seem to put much effort into trying to track down Gwyns popup. When he got on base in the 7th, there were a lot of pick off attempts, but it didn’t seem like he was even trying to get a good lead, when Tulo hit the ground ball, he pulled up about halfway to 2nd and just stopped. Maybe he’s shy about trying to make a play at 2nd after getting spiked in the face the other day, or feeling bad about the ball he should have caught that lead to 2 runs the other night, but it seems he needs to step up the effort.

by ddavis539 on Sep 25, 2009 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

In his defense

Morales was making his pitches the other night. Locating them well, etc, the Pads were just getting the bloops and such.

As for the second point, I hope Gonzalez is better soon.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2009 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Dex stopping on that grounder was the right play.

If he had kept going, he would have ran into the tag. By stopping, he forced Eckstein to throw it. And we all know anything can happen, even on a little toss to 2nd base.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 25, 2009 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

Tracy

is on record as liking the expanded roster. So far IMO it has been a curse with how it’s being used. Prior to Tracy getting the job IMO he was one manager that was worse then Hurdle because of all his micromanaging. But watching him all season convinced me he had changed his ways and now when it’s most critical he seems to be reverting to his old ways. I am leery of managers who have to prove how smart they are with endless tinkering and match ups.

by DieHardRox on Sep 25, 2009 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

It was the players

that turned around the season once Hurdle was gone. I don’t think it mattered who the Rockies chose as their manager. It was just that Hurdle needed to be shown the door.

Tracy may end up with Manager of The Year, but it really is a credit to the talent the Rockies have on their roster. All September has shown is how much Tracy likes to play matchups.

If there are better prospects for a manager next year out there, the Rockies should definately consider them before making a commitment to Tracy. I’m not sold on Tracy yet.

GOOOO!!!!! ROCKIES!!!!!! Bring on the Playoffs

by TripleT-Rox on Sep 25, 2009 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm a little worried about CarGo's hammy..

http://blogs.denverpost.com/rockies/2009/09/24/gonzalez-tests-leg-feels-a-little-better/

The article I read seems to indicate that his injury won’t get better before the season ends, whenever that may be.

What do you all think?

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Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, waiting to swoop into the playoffs!

by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2009 10:33 AM MDT reply actions  

perfect

We’ll DH him

oh wait ;-)

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2009 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

Can Cookie be our stopper tonight?

Hopefully, he can return from his injury as sharp as Street has returned from his.

by Rocks rock on Sep 25, 2009 10:48 AM MDT reply actions  

His sinker

wasn’t working for a while before he left. Hopefully he found it while he was gone.

by DieHardRox on Sep 25, 2009 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

Cookie is going to get the win tonight

My Dad is going to the game… The Rocks have not lost a game he’s gone to in 2 years… Something like 18-0.

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 25, 2009 10:54 AM MDT reply actions  

That's pretty incredible.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 25, 2009 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it has almost become a joke

I always feel better when he is going to go to a game!

The last game he went to that the Rocks lost… 2007 – the DBacks clinched the NL West!

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 25, 2009 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

Any idea who the umps will be for this series?

I’m hoping we’re due for a decent crew with a consistent strike zone that’s somewhat close to regulation.

by ddavis539 on Sep 25, 2009 10:55 AM MDT reply actions  

I actually heard that

David Paterson was filling in for Ray

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 25, 2009 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIHHIIIHHIIIHHHIIHIHIIIHHHHIIIIIIIIIKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ONE.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 25, 2009 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

they make that joke during Coors Field tours too

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2009 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

mine too

"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK

by jrockies on Sep 25, 2009 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Again, I find too much negativity

There are some great positives. Hammel was awesome! and Thank God we are identifying Morales’ problems now so he can either fix them or sit out. I think we lost yesterday because of the Umps (mainly) and questionable managerial decisions.

There are a lot of positives going forward!

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 25, 2009 10:58 AM MDT reply actions  

Morales maybe...

Not the greatest night, but far from a complete meltdown besides Morales.

The winning run… was out at second (UMPS)

Hammel came to bat with runners on second and third and two outs, only to be pulled two batters (one out) into the next inning. (Manager)

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 25, 2009 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Rockies control their own destinty

They just have to sweep the Cards, Sweep the Brewers and win one on the road in LA, and they’ve clinched the playoffs.

Realistically, they’re going to need a lot of help from the Braves/Giants/Marlins opponents to have a shot.

by ddavis539 on Sep 25, 2009 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Is there a way

for the Braves and Marlins to both lose when they play each other? No? Oh. Seems to me that a lot of eyes will be on that series. Cheering to back our way in! Hooray!

by Teekalong on Sep 25, 2009 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

How do you figure we are backing our way in...

considering we are leading by 3.5? If we were tied then I could see what you are saying..but right now the backing in thing doesn’t make sense to me…

Dear Rockies - Do not make me live in a world where John Kruk is right....

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego con RISP
Brad Hawpe- It's not funny anymore..seriously.
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, waiting to swoop into the playoffs!

by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2009 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

You back your way in...

by slowly losing your advantage as the season winds down.

That said, two losses is not a disaster, and does not suggest collapse is eminent.
Some people are so fickle… HAVE SOME FAITH!!!

ps. SDcat, I love the line about Kruk

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 25, 2009 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

So what if your advantage is one game vs 10 games

as long as you get there :) But I guess I see what you mean.

I have faith! Always! I’ll keep looking for the light at the end of tunnel…even if its going to be the train!

p.s. Thanks for the nod on the Kruk line. I was trying to think of something motivational that I would tell the team, if I could..

Dear Rockies - Do not make me live in a world where John Kruk is right....

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego con RISP
Brad Hawpe- It's not funny anymore..seriously.
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, waiting to swoop into the playoffs!

by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2009 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Backing your way in

= counting on other teams to lose to make it in. Now, its all the same and once we’re in I won’t care at all how we got there, but I’d prefer to be celebrating Rox wins and not clinging to the hope that the Nationals are somehow going to beat Vazquez tonight.

by Teekalong on Sep 25, 2009 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

Really?

You are

clinging to the hope that the Nationals are somehow going to beat Vazquez tonight.

And if they don’t, what? You give up?

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 25, 2009 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

An awful lot of people on this site seem to have that mentality.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2009 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

No I'm obviously not going to give up, that's a silly retort

Don’t act like you won’t be watching Atl’s scores this weekend. Look, I still expect the team to make the playoffs and I hope we do so by winning. But the tenor around here for a week has been that we’re a mortal lock to make it, and it just ain’t so. We need to win games, and absent that, we need our Atl/Fla/SF to lose (and, really, both). It seems probably a bit negative to focus on that, sure, but its a bit silly to just assume we’re going to coast into the playoffs because some nonsense simulator says our odds are 91%. We need to WIN SOME GAMES and recent performance suggests that will be easier said than done with our schedule. Playing like we have the past few nights…not getting it done.

by Teekalong on Sep 25, 2009 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

OK, but

You have an underdog mentality and we are front runners. We just have to take care of our own business it is the other teams that have to hope for help. Your attitude is apparently that we are going to lose the next three series. That is a negative attitude… How many times has this team lost three straight series? Have faith! These Rockies are AWESOME.

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 25, 2009 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hey

I’m a Rockies fan, I have never been in this position before in my 17 years of following the team. How can I have anything but an underdog mentality? No, I agree that being relentlessly negative (as I have been since last night) is probably an overreaction and I’d rather be us than ATL, but really I’d rather be us a few days ago chillin at 5.5. My biggest concern is if the roles were reversed with ATL, we’d feel pretty good about our chances. They sure haven’t given up, they are playing like they expect to catch us.

by Teekalong on Sep 25, 2009 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

On the bright side

based on the way they were playing, no one thought they had much of a chance against Haren, but that was proved wrong. Maybe they’ll get up for the next few games against very strong pitching and surprise everyone.

by ddavis539 on Sep 25, 2009 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

It won't surprise me

I fully expect that Rockies to win this series. I will be flabergasted if they lose tonight, because I really really think they are going to win, but if they do lose I will still have faith.

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 25, 2009 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

flabergasted?

perhaps, you should put some money on the rockies tonight given that level of confidence, as you can good odds with them being underdogs at home. i’m actually encouraged that they aren’t bigger underdogs than they actually are, so you may be on to something.

by Rocks rock on Sep 25, 2009 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good point

If it makes you happy… panic away

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 25, 2009 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not for me

but some people really don’t like the idea of success. It’s a personal issue for a lot of people (seriously). They assume, the worst will happen, especially when they are in an usual situation, like, leader of a race.

Personally, barring a major collapse the Rockies should be in the playoffs. 3.5 game lead at this point is a lot.

by Redhawk on Sep 25, 2009 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

I've noticed this sentiment around Denver.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2009 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Besides

Blowing a 3 game lead with 3 games to go is more of a Bronco thing…

by Muzia on Sep 25, 2009 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

BOOM

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 25, 2009 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

The reason besides the most recent two losses to be panicy

The Rockies have now dropped 7 of their last 11 – they simply are not playing good ball these days. That said, they still have three series and if they go 6-3 the worse they can face would be a one game playoff.

by Rocks rock on Sep 25, 2009 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

We have a 3.5 - 4 game lead

with 9 to go… We don’t need “a lot of help…to have a shot”

Nobody is going to win out… We are the prohibitive favorites… Anyone would gladly change places with us…

Rockies are awesome, enjoy the ride!

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 25, 2009 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

We are awesome

And we just need to click again. This team can do it.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2009 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

I just don't see him getting playing time this season

He’s gonna get some work in this winter, I’m sure, working on his swing, etc.

It should be noted that in September he’s batted .364/.500/.909 in 15 PA…

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2009 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

See I think we will see more Chris this final week

as Torrealba has looked gassed. I think the Rockies will try to rest him up a bit.

by Redhawk on Sep 25, 2009 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'd like that

Esp after they pinched for him after he’d walked and hit a double.

I sincerely don’t understand that, and feel personally slighted ;-)

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2009 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

That was a questionable call

I’d have let Chris hit, then pinched Giambi

Only thing I can think of is Tracy was worried about a potential double play taking the bat out of Giambi’s hands.

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 25, 2009 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

I kind of agree with both parts of that.

I actually had those thoughts.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2009 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

CarGo PH this year:

0-for-8, 7 K’s

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 25, 2009 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

If I had known that

I would have been calling for Q…

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 25, 2009 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

2-for-14, 9 K's in his career

Sure, sample size, but that’s a lot of K’s, and it makes sense with the eye test. The young man appears to be trying to do too much in his PH opportunities, which tend to be in leverage situations.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 25, 2009 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sample Size Shmample size

Q should definitely be starting against Carp tonight.

by Rox Girl on Sep 25, 2009 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

what are you talking about

are those numbers from that nonsense baseball prospector site or something? sheesh, you stat people will believe anything.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2009 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

They mentioned it on the radio.

Also said he tends to expand his own strike zone in those situations and swing at bad pitches. And then he proceeded to do exactly that. So either they jinxed him, or they’re spot on, or both.

by holly96 on Sep 25, 2009 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Same thought pattern here

Carlos Gonzalez is amazing.
"Every day is a new opportunity. You can build on yesterday's success or put its failures behind and start over again. That's the way life is, with a new game every day, and that's the way baseball is."
~Bob Feller~

by AtkinsandTulofan on Sep 25, 2009 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

It could be worse

Your status could read “see you in the Springs

by Muzia on Sep 25, 2009 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Except

He was sent to the Springs in 07, and came back and hit over .300 in September.

Funny Dog to Make Life Worthwhile

by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 25, 2009 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

hush

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2009 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

RMN

I like your profile pic

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by jrockies on Sep 25, 2009 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

good i'm glad :-D

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2009 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

We don't need as much help

as the Brave do.

The Rockies still control their own destiny. 7 game magic number, means WE have the magic number….not the Braves.

by Redhawk on Sep 25, 2009 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think we lost because Tracy manages Marquis / Hammel in opposite fashion

Stick with Marquis when he’s struggling and in a major jam, pull Hammel when he’s pitching great and has just one man on

by Rocks rock on Sep 25, 2009 11:02 AM MDT reply actions  

I don't remember Tracy doing that before.

But I do agree with you in the context of the last two games.

by JaySantos on Sep 25, 2009 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

What goes around...

Tony Gwynn had the huge hit in ‘07 that made everything possible for the Rockies. Last night his two bloop hits were instrumental in the Padres’ win. Not to mention a great catch Wednesday night.

Things, as they say, even out in the long run.

by alex colfax on Sep 25, 2009 11:19 AM MDT reply actions  

I hope not

His bloop hits and catch have nothing on that hit in 2007. In fact, they will likely be meaningless in the context of the postseason

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 25, 2009 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Who else is just LOVING this?

I mean I wish we had won last night, but this is soooo much fun.

I LOVE the ROCKIES! I believe

The competition, the uncertainty, the angst… ENJOY IT!

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 25, 2009 11:23 AM MDT reply actions  

I'll love it when we clinch the WC.

If we give it our best shot and come up short i can live with that.

If we overthink this whole thing (the team that is), analysis paralysis, whatever you want to call it — if we overthink this and come up short as a result i’ll be kicking the hamster (that’s not a euphemism for something else in case you were wondering – it is literally the only pet we have) for weeks.

We didn’t give our best shot last night.

by JaySantos on Sep 25, 2009 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I didn't LOVE last night per se

I just love all of this…
The race, the angst, the joy, the heartbreak…

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 25, 2009 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

Good perspective, we're getting our excitements worth

for the investment of our hearts, soul and time in rooting for this team.

by Rocks rock on Sep 25, 2009 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'll love it if we do well

but I will hate it if we don’t play perfectly well. Also make sure everybody knows how little I love it until it’s been repeated everywhere in every story.

Seriously though, I have too much trouble not seeing the big picture of how good this team in, even if the timing is awful for them to be cool.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2009 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

What do you think about the Corpas rumor?

If they move him I will be very sad.

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 25, 2009 11:47 AM MDT reply actions  

depends on what the bad contract coming back is

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2009 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Here's the remaining games chart (to tie, not pass the Rockes)

Looking at things this way make me feel a lot better. I really don’t think they’re going to lose the rest of their games, especially with the way they’ve handled the Central division teams this year.

Rockies Braves Giants Marlins
0-9 . . . . 4-6 . . . . 4-5 . . . 4-5
1-8 . . . . 5-5 . . . . 5-4 . . . 5-4
2-7 . . . . 6-4 . . . . 6-3 . . . 6-3
3-6 . . . . 7-3 . . . . 7-2 . . . 7-2
4-5 . . . . 8-2 . . . . 8-1 . . . 8-1
5-4 . . . . 9-1 . . . . 9-0 . . . 9-0
6-3 . . . . 10-0
7-2
8-1
9-0

by ddavis539 on Sep 25, 2009 12:00 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

I don't even call that a race

Why is everyone getting so worked up again?

by Muzia on Sep 25, 2009 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

schedules

The Braves play the Nationals for 7 of the next 10. I think we will still be fine.

by TGumb on Sep 25, 2009 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

True

But if the Rockies can’t win games against the Cardinals or Dodgers, what would the point of getting into the playoffs be? They would most likely face at least one of those teams without home field advantage.

by ddavis539 on Sep 25, 2009 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

If we make the postseason, i'd consider the 2009 rox season to be a success.

Regardless of what we do in the NLDS and beyond (hopefully).

If we implode, well…

by JaySantos on Sep 25, 2009 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

agree with this

The season has already been a success in my book; I didn’t think they’d compete coming out of ST and I definitely didn’t think so in Apr/May. The turnaround has been phenomenal. Making the playoffs is obviously now a benchmark but anything beyond that is just gravy.

by Teekalong on Sep 25, 2009 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Nats

showed some grit against the Dodgers…
Well at least in the last two games. I would be shocked if the Braves win more than 5 of the 7

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 25, 2009 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

and how many of those last 3 of the dodgers do you think we

will/can win??

granted, they will have clinched, but still….

by RockyMtnCat on Sep 25, 2009 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

So if the Rockies finish 4-5 (that is just one more series win)

Then the Braves will have had to win 19 of their last 23 just to tie!
That is as close to Rocktober redux as it gets!

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 25, 2009 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

they've already won 11 of 13

so they need 8 of 10 – and given their schedule, that isn’t too far fetched.

by RockyMtnCat on Sep 25, 2009 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

So where do the Rockies get 4 wins?

I think we all agree that they’ll get at least 2 out-of-three from the Brewers. Is everyone confident that they can get one game from the Dodgers? Because if we can’t then we need 2 from the Cardinals this weekend, and that’s no gimme.

I’m not going negative, and think we can win any given game, but don’t see this as over.

Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.

by RdRnnr on Sep 25, 2009 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

You're right

None of it is a gimme. But it’s far more of a gimme than the Braves necessary 8-2 record over that time just to tie us. Even if they manage that, we still control our destiny with a play-in game

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 25, 2009 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

I’m just saying, if you asked me how can the Braves get to 8, I could paint that picture more easily.

Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.

by RdRnnr on Sep 25, 2009 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

crosses fingers

5-4 just give me 5 wins

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by nodakroxfan on Sep 25, 2009 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Time's flying along these days...

or is that just me?

Let’s get to the playoffs and forget this little schneid…(though tonight is kind of a scary mismatch)

Carlos Gonzalez is a sexy man

by Squeaky on Sep 25, 2009 12:42 PM MDT reply actions  

Scary mismatch?

Our ace vs theirs…

We are Going to WIN

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 25, 2009 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Except a) Cook isn't really our ace any more

b) he’s coming off injury
c) he was having serious problems before that

ah heck… go Rockies… I keep meaning not to watch the games, it stresses me out too much, but I probably will anyway.

I love Greg Reynolds. Deal with it, suckers.

by Silverblood on Sep 25, 2009 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm very willing to pass the title of "ace"

onto Uball (and I think he’ll be our opening day pitcher next year). Cook is a very solid #2, though, so tonight is their ace versus our very solid #2. Still decent odds, considering that our #5 still gives us decent odds.

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by oo_nrb on Sep 25, 2009 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

As much as I'd rather have the WC wrapped up by now

I do like the intensity and excitement( along with agony) that this race is bringing I’m having a lot of fun with it.

"I've never known a man worth his salt who in the long run, deep down in his heart, didn't appreciate the grind, the discipline... I firmly believe that any man's finest hour - this greatest fulfillment to all he holds dear is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." - Vince Lombardi

by nodakroxfan on Sep 25, 2009 12:54 PM MDT reply actions  

Also what is the tiebreaker if 3 teams finish tied

tell me we dont go friday night lights style and flip a coin

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by nodakroxfan on Sep 25, 2009 12:59 PM MDT reply actions  

Round robin head-to-heads I believe

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 25, 2009 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Someone, please talk me off the ledge

I do not feel good about this weekend at all…

We’ve come too far not to at least make it to the dance…

by 5280 on Sep 25, 2009 1:27 PM MDT reply actions  

Don't you both go MCC on us all

There are still 9 games to be played.

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by oo_nrb on Sep 25, 2009 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bad prom experience in high school?

Just look at the chart above, we are just fine.

JUST FINE.

Fine. Yes.

by Muzia on Sep 25, 2009 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Too many sunny optimists

the Rockies are not fine where they are now, if now is recently. They’ve lost 7 of 11. Now, if they turn it around and start playing like they are capable, then yes, they will be fine.

by Rocks rock on Sep 25, 2009 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

They still have a decent chance of making the playoffs losing at that same pace

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 25, 2009 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

excellent

rec’d

I want post season

by squalene203 on Sep 25, 2009 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah!

What he said!

(minus the Broncos part, I can’t help but be cursed by my love for that team)

by Muzia on Sep 25, 2009 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

oh btw that wasn't really meant to be "5280 you suck!!!!!1"

more just “hey everyone, cheer up, wouldja? worst case, we’re better than we ever really have been”

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2009 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Okay, so I've been lurking most of today..

and finally had to log back in to rec this comment!

I laughed out loud on the blue and orange comment. Priceless…just priceless.

Dear Rockies - Do not make me live in a world where John Kruk is right....

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego con RISP
Brad Hawpe- It's not funny anymore..seriously.
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, waiting to swoop into the playoffs!

by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2009 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Who wear's orange and blue

those colors don’t go together well. On the other hand

BLACK + PURPLE + SILVER . . .

"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK

by jrockies on Sep 25, 2009 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Postseason could prove critical to team's futures

baseball is a game where psychology plays a big part. the red sox had to deal with ghosts for 80 some odd years before finally breaking through. the mets last year had to deal with the ghost of the previous year’s choke and went on to choke again.

i agree with everything you say, but they’ll have to stare down ghosts in future years if they don’t make it to the playoffs. not to say they can’t overcome ghosts, but with the media as it is nowadays, it’s a lot harder because they continue stick those ghosts in your face

by Rocks rock on Sep 25, 2009 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

we're a 16 year old franchise

We just started driving.

It’s a little premature for Ghosts.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2009 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

THIS! I was just thinking that exact thing...

Dear Rockies - Do not make me live in a world where John Kruk is right....

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego con RISP
Brad Hawpe- It's not funny anymore..seriously.
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, waiting to swoop into the playoffs!

by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2009 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not in the minds of the media hounds, we aren't

come next year, you don’t think they’ll be constant reminders from the media both directly in questions to players and managers and indirectly on ESPN and in newspapers.

by Rocks rock on Sep 25, 2009 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Who cares about the media

at this point? It’s all about the fans watching and enjoying the game. The players should realize this and play for themselves and us. The media exist to cause trouble.

"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK

by jrockies on Sep 25, 2009 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

My point is simply this:

I don’t buy the “we had a great year even if we don’t make the playoffs, we still have a bright future”. I’m just saying a collapse can impact the future. Do you find it any surprise that the Red Sox went on to win another championship, or the Patriots after winning their first went on to win two more, or Tiger continues to have the success he has. Winning breeds winning. Making the playoffs are important to the team’s future.

by Rocks rock on Sep 25, 2009 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah!

Just look at what the White Sox and Marlins have done!

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2009 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

How about Tampa?

"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK

by jrockies on Sep 25, 2009 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, the next time either of those teams get to the playoffs

they’ll be reminded of previous success and not previous failure; basically, back to my point about the role of psychology. By the way, the Fish winning one World Series, may have psychologically helped them to win a second one.

by Rocks rock on Sep 25, 2009 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Which players from the '97 Marlins

fearlessly remembered their title and used that to help them win in 2003?

This is really a leaky argument here. Yes, winning can engender winning. But that doesn’t mean it causes it.

If we didn’t make it, do you think Stewart would respond to questions about the ‘10 season "well, we have the same core group of players, but we didn’t win it all last year, so I don’t think we can this year"? Of course not, that’s absurd.

It’s not as if these guys aren’t trying.

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Chris Iannetta Status: Yeah...see you in the Spring, big guy...

by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2009 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

I guess you have to experience it first hand to understand

believe me, the Rockies don’t want to have to deal with the effing media anytime in the future that they get close to trying to clinch something. I’d be a rich man if you gave me a dollar for every time I heard a Red Sox player, manager or team personnel had to answer a reporters question with “that was in the past, we’re a completely different group of players”. well guess what, it weighs on players. they are human. any psychologist will tell you it’s better to have positivie reinforcement than negative.

by Rocks rock on Sep 25, 2009 4:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, I guess we get to be thankful for a surprise blessing then

The media doesn’t really care about us as much as the red sox.

This team is going to keep getting better. We’re a smart organization and we’re going to keep building, farming, and winning. I have full faith in this, esp. after my interview with Marc Gustafson.

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Seth Smith Status: How do you like me now?!
Chris Iannetta Status: Yeah...see you in the Spring, big guy...

by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2009 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agree

Thank you ECB. Keep playing ball Rox we believe in you.

"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK

by jrockies on Sep 25, 2009 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

I still belive too. I have a strange feeling that if we

hang on to the lead we’ll be singing the praises of one Brad Hawpe. I don’t know why, but I just have a good feeling about him these last days. May the Rockies bring me to paydirt!

by Rocks rock on Sep 25, 2009 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Detroit is leading their division, they lost in 06

I can buy a World Series hangover, but I have trouble with saying the playoffs really mean anything beyond WOOOOOOOOOOOO WE WON

Are we seriously saying that this season was not good if we somehow miss the Wild Card?

Big picture here, people.

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Seth Smith Status: How do you like me now?!
Chris Iannetta Status: Yeah...see you in the Spring, big guy...

by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2009 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

I like baseball too much

to say this has been has not been good. Any time I get to see I game I may get frustrated but then I realize that I’m getting upset over a game.

This has been fun and will continue to be fun. This season has been a large success, especially considering where we were headed.

"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK

by jrockies on Sep 25, 2009 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'ed

couldn’t have said it better myself.

by Redhawk on Sep 25, 2009 5:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

That I can agree with

Winning helps the future and builds confidence. I just don’t think the players should feed off the media, but off their fans and themselves more. The fans get info from the media so this could be detrimental to the team attitude if the fans aren’t in-it-to-win-it.

"We made too many wrong mistakes." ~Yogi Berra
"The ballplayer who loses his head, who can't keep his cool, is worse than no ballplayer at all." ~Lou Gehrig
JFK

by jrockies on Sep 25, 2009 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

The power of thought!

When we’re behind in the standings, trying to catch up, all the fans energy is focused on winning, and of course we’re so happy when they do win! We were hoping it would happen, and it did, aren’t we awesome, we won because we all were pulling for the team!

But once you’re on top, everyone is thinking about choking, and the team must NOT choke, we cannot lose or we’ll get caught. And when we do lose, it’s the biggest confirmation that all of our worst fears have come true, the team is doomed, we knew they would choke, game over man!

So then, let’s all be optimistic this last week. We just need to win. Don’t think about choking. Think about clinching that playoff spot. You’ll be much happier if you do! :-)

Gladly sharing a name with Dexter Fowler!

by ShadowPenguin on Sep 25, 2009 1:41 PM MDT reply actions  

I know what you mean..

My “worry” is the following.

If the baseball gods horribly decide to smite the Rox right out of the postseason, it will be a neverending media smackdown. The hallowed halls of ESPN and other outlets and analysts, will once again, take great joy in saying that this proved the Rockies run in 07 was a fluke, blah dee frakkin’ blah blahhhh! We, the average fan up to the ridiculously informed stathead, will be forced to try and explain, as RMN did, why we are still a good team…

and I fear it will fall on deaf ears…that said…

I am in it for the long haul, whether it be all the way to the WS or going down in flames!

GOOOOOOOO!!!! ROCKIES!!!

Dear Rockies - Do not make me live in a world where John Kruk is right....

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego con RISP
Brad Hawpe- It's not funny anymore..seriously.
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, waiting to swoop into the playoffs!

by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2009 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

As frustrating as the snubbing is

we need to stop caring about ESPN. If nobody pays attention to us because nobody else does, well, screw them all, we’re awesome.

We’ll force them to pay attention.

Mike McCoy Status: FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seth Smith Status: How do you like me now?!
Chris Iannetta Status: Yeah...see you in the Spring, big guy...

by Andrew Martin on Sep 25, 2009 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

And, really, they do pay attention.

It might not always be in the way we want or as much as we want, but they don’t ignore us.

by holly96 on Sep 25, 2009 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

we better not choke this away

Carpenter has destroyed us over the years as he has to just about everybody…but i have a feeling tonight we will get to him but the question is will the pitching be good tonight?…i hope Cook comes back better than ever

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

DO NOT CHOKE THIS LEAD PLEASE

by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 25, 2009 2:01 PM MDT reply actions  

I have a good feeling about Cook.

And a good feeling about our ability to get some runs on these Cards pitchers. I don’t know why. I think it just feels good to be playing a team we’re not “supposed” to beat for a change. It almost feels like less pressure than playing the Padres and D-backs of the world.

by holly96 on Sep 25, 2009 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

yea i agree

playing an actual team in the hunt might fire us up…rather than playing those loose spoiler teams

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

DO NOT CHOKE THIS LEAD PLEASE

by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 25, 2009 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

So you are thinking the Rox are suffering from the

“Ethier Syndrome”….can’t get motivated to beat a lesser team?

Dear Rockies - Do not make me live in a world where John Kruk is right....

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego con RISP
Brad Hawpe- It's not funny anymore..seriously.
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, waiting to swoop into the playoffs!

by SDcat09 on Sep 25, 2009 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

yupp

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

DO NOT CHOKE THIS LEAD PLEASE

by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 25, 2009 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

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