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SHHHHHHH!!!!

It’s a closer look at Barmes’ catch from a few photographers at the game. A couple pictures make it seem like maybe he didn’t catch it.

Don’t tell La Russa!

over 2 years ago Ninja_tux_tiny ShadowPenguin 34 comments 0 recs  | 

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That's some instant karma for the good guys

After the hosing we got Saturday, it’s poetic justice that the pendulum wing back the Rox’ way on Sunday.

I will say this — if that ball really hit the ground and Barmes managed to scoop it up while he was tumbling, his hand-eye coordination is off the charts.

by BroJB on Sep 28, 2009 4:49 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Very true

I watched all the replays in real time, and MAN! If the ball actually hit the ground, and he was able to roll, pick it up, and get up and ready to throw that fast…he deserves the call, haha.

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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 28, 2009 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree

it is almost more amazing if he dropped it then if he was able to hold onto it

by RockiesDave on Sep 28, 2009 8:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I can’t figure out how he managed to get it back in his glove

Patrick Saunders: I think Kruk is lazy.

by Rawktober on Sep 29, 2009 6:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nope

watching it again, certainly in his glove.

I can’t see how watching a replay it would have been on the ground at any point.

by KindredSprites on Sep 29, 2009 6:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

The more I look at it

the more confused I become

Patrick Saunders: I think Kruk is lazy.

by Rawktober on Sep 29, 2009 7:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wow

That picture doesn’t even make any sort of sense – if that ball’s on the ground as he rolls over – and then in the guy’s next photo you see Barmes’ hand flat on the ground… and then as he rolls back over the ball is rolling across his chest… I mean, I’m not even sure how that’s possible.

What really killed me was the DP commenter saying “The Rockies are cheaters and dishonest!” Yeah, whatever – this ain’t golf, you aren’t obligated to ‘call your own’.

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by Franchise26 on Sep 28, 2009 10:21 PM MDT reply actions  

I don't really see where you're coming from

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 28, 2009 10:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

I know your reference

I just don’t see it. It makes sense to me how it could have hit the ground and come back to him after rolling over it

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 29, 2009 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

Look at where the "ball" and Barmes' body are with respect to the grass patterns.

Barmes would have rolled right over the ball, with his body in between the ball and his hands. The only way the ball could have gotten back into his glove would be if it teleported there.

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by Justus on Sep 29, 2009 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

I want to see it that way

but I just can’t. The grass hatching seems consistent to me. I’m sure the ball could have bounced up off the ground back into his hands mid-tumble. It did, after all, fall from the sky

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 29, 2009 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Could you tell me with certainty

that the ball didn’t hit the ground, carom off his chest and into his glove while he was face down in his tumble? The ball wouldn’t be teleporting…it already had momentum towards the outfield from being hit. It wasn’t a dead ball lying in the grass…

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 29, 2009 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't understand all the commenters essentially calling the Rockies classless

for not owning up to the fallacy of the out. Assuming he did not catch the ball, this isn’t the Cal Ripken League. You play the game hard and do everything you can to get outs on defense and be safe on offense. The umps decide the calls.

When’s the last time a player from ANY team admitted to misleading umpires, essentially forfeiting a win? Has it ever happened? Quit calling the Rockies liars. You might as well start a picketline outside the courthouse because defense lawyers don’t tell the truth. Like it or not, it is a norm of the job.

That Spilborghs quote lessened my belief Barmes actually did catch it

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 28, 2009 10:52 PM MDT reply actions  

Fully Agree

there is not one player in this league that would’ve admitted that wasn’t a catch.

Also, put yourself in the position of the umpires. How would you have called that play in the heat of the moment, full speed, no still frame photography to assist you?

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by haj_saitou on Sep 28, 2009 11:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Was it earlier this season...

some road game, Spilborghs was trapped the ball on the ground sort of with his chest, turned around and sold it for the out. But it was obvious he didn’t catch it and he got booed for the rest of the game…

I wonder if Barmes knew he didn’t catch it but Spilly was right there yelling and pointing to go to first, probably saw it also,

part of the game though right! That’s not “cheating”

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by ejskater on Sep 28, 2009 10:57 PM MDT reply actions  

Indeed, if it were cheating

what is bailing on a breaking ball on the edge, framing a pitch outside the zone, or stealing signs?

There’s a lot less of this “gamemanship” than in some sports, like football, where I hear there’s holding on every play and elbows to backs and unmentionables in dogpiles.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 29, 2009 12:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

As a cricket native

This sort of thing seems quite foreign. I’ve never seen this sort of play in cricket. Cricket does have replay to check if catches are fair or not, and it’s pretty much useless. Always inconclusive and takes for ever for a decision to be made.

Cricket has a number of differences though. For one baseball has 54 outs in 3-4 hours, cricket has 40 outs in 5 days, so getting a call right is even more important. Second, the absence of gloves makes it incredibly difficult to judge whether a low catch was really a catch or was it a one hopper. Only the player really ever knows.

Just be glad baseball doesn’t have replays for out calls on the basepaths. Since cricket introduced the third umpire for run outs, umpires never make a decision on their own, and it always slows the game down. If this ever happened in baseball, the game would become a farce.

I don’t think this is cheating, I do think it’s dishonest and ungentlemanly. But it’s not cricket so who cares. Seriously, pitches in the bullpens run 300 feet onto the field to have a chance to punch someone when a batter snorts angrily at a pitcher, I don’t think giving up the lead by telling the umpire you didn’t catch the ball is that much worse.

by KindredSprites on Sep 29, 2009 6:54 AM MDT reply actions  

What's funny is how the Rockies have apparently been "given" 2 games now

Well, they’re forgetting 2 critical things.

1. If Holliday never touched home plate (he did), best case scenario for SD, it’s a tie game with Helton on 2B and Hawpe at the plate. Not a Rockies loss.

2. If Barmes didn’t catch the ball, best case scenario for StL, it’s a tie game with Street still pitching and the Rockies bottom half coming up. Not a Rockies loss.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 29, 2009 7:34 AM MDT reply actions  

Thank you for pointing that out..

I have been telling that to Padres fans since the play-in game….

Dear Rockies - Do not make me live in a world where John Kruk is right....

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego con RISP
Brad Hawpe- Simmering..ready to get boiling HAWTE..seriously.
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, waiting to swoop into the playoffs!

by SDcat09 on Sep 29, 2009 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

In the Holliday game, didn't the umps earlier blow a HR call

on an Atkins hit? Pads fans forget that one, too.

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Sep 29, 2009 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Also

Holliday was never tagged, so how could he be out?

by KindredSprites on Sep 29, 2009 5:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Call me crazy, but I just do not believe what I see in that photo...

Still photos can be easily manipulated. I mean, sheesh, look what the Row and MCC can do with PhotoShop.

I would think someone in television, can take that video and examine it from several angles. They have the technology. They can rotate it, flip it it inside out, etc. If someone can produce the video, not a still photo, that shows the ball hitting the ground and Barmes, magically, scooping it up, then I’ll believe it.

And has been mentioned ad nauseum, it isn’t cheating or bad sportmanship. It’s unfortunate that Spilly made his coy comment, which I think is Spilly is having a little fun with this.

That said, game is over. We won.

Dear Rockies - Do not make me live in a world where John Kruk is right....

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego con RISP
Brad Hawpe- Simmering..ready to get boiling HAWTE..seriously.
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, waiting to swoop into the playoffs!

by SDcat09 on Sep 29, 2009 8:58 AM MDT reply actions  

and hate puppies

Patrick Saunders: I think Kruk is lazy.

by Rawktober on Sep 29, 2009 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

well at least we don't hate kittens...

Dear Rockies - Do not make me live in a world where John Kruk is right....

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego con RISP
Brad Hawpe- Simmering..ready to get boiling HAWTE..seriously.
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, waiting to swoop into the playoffs!

by SDcat09 on Sep 29, 2009 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

Actually

Not a big fan of kittens.

Tigers, though, I’m a fan of (particulalry Siberian)

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by kosmo on Sep 29, 2009 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

DOH! right...I forgot....

what, with all the great pitching, phenomenal defense, and generally timely and powerful hitting leading to the 88-68 record,

I lost track of the cheating…

Dear Rockies - Do not make me live in a world where John Kruk is right....

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego con RISP
Brad Hawpe- Simmering..ready to get boiling HAWTE..seriously.
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, waiting to swoop into the playoffs!

by SDcat09 on Sep 29, 2009 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

I mean, sheesh, look what the Row and MCC can do with PhotoShop.

"DAMMIT! No, calm down. Learn to enjoy losing." --Hunter S. Thompson

by PioneerSkies on Sep 29, 2009 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

:)

HA HA HA HA HA…awesome

by Maria M on Sep 29, 2009 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

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