Barmes’ amazing catch … or was it?
SHHHHHHH!!!!
It’s a closer look at Barmes’ catch from a few photographers at the game. A couple pictures make it seem like maybe he didn’t catch it.
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That's some instant karma for the good guys
After the hosing we got Saturday, it’s poetic justice that the pendulum wing back the Rox’ way on Sunday.
I will say this — if that ball really hit the ground and Barmes managed to scoop it up while he was tumbling, his hand-eye coordination is off the charts.
by BroJB on Sep 28, 2009 4:49 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Very true
I watched all the replays in real time, and MAN! If the ball actually hit the ground, and he was able to roll, pick it up, and get up and ready to throw that fast…he deserves the call, haha.
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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 28, 2009 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed
I can’t figure out how he managed to get it back in his glove
Patrick Saunders: I think Kruk is lazy.
I thought he came up with it in his bare hand
by KindredSprites on Sep 29, 2009 6:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Nope
watching it again, certainly in his glove.
I can’t see how watching a replay it would have been on the ground at any point.
by KindredSprites on Sep 29, 2009 6:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Wow
That picture doesn’t even make any sort of sense – if that ball’s on the ground as he rolls over – and then in the guy’s next photo you see Barmes’ hand flat on the ground… and then as he rolls back over the ball is rolling across his chest… I mean, I’m not even sure how that’s possible.
What really killed me was the DP commenter saying “The Rockies are cheaters and dishonest!” Yeah, whatever – this ain’t golf, you aren’t obligated to ‘call your own’.
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The more I think about it, the last picture has to be doctored or something considering the physics of the play.
Eschew Obfuscation!
by Jeff Aberle on Sep 28, 2009 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't really see where you're coming from
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 28, 2009 10:47 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm referencing Franchise's comment...it seems physically impossible to have happened the way the photo indicates.
Eschew Obfuscation!
by Jeff Aberle on Sep 29, 2009 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions
I know your reference
I just don’t see it. It makes sense to me how it could have hit the ground and come back to him after rolling over it
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 29, 2009 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Look at where the "ball" and Barmes' body are with respect to the grass patterns.
Barmes would have rolled right over the ball, with his body in between the ball and his hands. The only way the ball could have gotten back into his glove would be if it teleported there.
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I want to see it that way
but I just can’t. The grass hatching seems consistent to me. I’m sure the ball could have bounced up off the ground back into his hands mid-tumble. It did, after all, fall from the sky
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 29, 2009 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Could you tell me with certainty
that the ball didn’t hit the ground, carom off his chest and into his glove while he was face down in his tumble? The ball wouldn’t be teleporting…it already had momentum towards the outfield from being hit. It wasn’t a dead ball lying in the grass…
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 29, 2009 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't understand all the commenters essentially calling the Rockies classless
for not owning up to the fallacy of the out. Assuming he did not catch the ball, this isn’t the Cal Ripken League. You play the game hard and do everything you can to get outs on defense and be safe on offense. The umps decide the calls.
When’s the last time a player from ANY team admitted to misleading umpires, essentially forfeiting a win? Has it ever happened? Quit calling the Rockies liars. You might as well start a picketline outside the courthouse because defense lawyers don’t tell the truth. Like it or not, it is a norm of the job.
That Spilborghs quote lessened my belief Barmes actually did catch it
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 28, 2009 10:52 PM MDT reply actions
Fully Agree
there is not one player in this league that would’ve admitted that wasn’t a catch.
Also, put yourself in the position of the umpires. How would you have called that play in the heat of the moment, full speed, no still frame photography to assist you?
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Was it earlier this season...
some road game, Spilborghs was trapped the ball on the ground sort of with his chest, turned around and sold it for the out. But it was obvious he didn’t catch it and he got booed for the rest of the game…
I wonder if Barmes knew he didn’t catch it but Spilly was right there yelling and pointing to go to first, probably saw it also,
part of the game though right! That’s not “cheating”
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Indeed, if it were cheating
what is bailing on a breaking ball on the edge, framing a pitch outside the zone, or stealing signs?
There’s a lot less of this “gamemanship” than in some sports, like football, where I hear there’s holding on every play and elbows to backs and unmentionables in dogpiles.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 29, 2009 12:25 AM MDT up reply actions
As a cricket native
This sort of thing seems quite foreign. I’ve never seen this sort of play in cricket. Cricket does have replay to check if catches are fair or not, and it’s pretty much useless. Always inconclusive and takes for ever for a decision to be made.
Cricket has a number of differences though. For one baseball has 54 outs in 3-4 hours, cricket has 40 outs in 5 days, so getting a call right is even more important. Second, the absence of gloves makes it incredibly difficult to judge whether a low catch was really a catch or was it a one hopper. Only the player really ever knows.
Just be glad baseball doesn’t have replays for out calls on the basepaths. Since cricket introduced the third umpire for run outs, umpires never make a decision on their own, and it always slows the game down. If this ever happened in baseball, the game would become a farce.
I don’t think this is cheating, I do think it’s dishonest and ungentlemanly. But it’s not cricket so who cares. Seriously, pitches in the bullpens run 300 feet onto the field to have a chance to punch someone when a batter snorts angrily at a pitcher, I don’t think giving up the lead by telling the umpire you didn’t catch the ball is that much worse.
What's funny is how the Rockies have apparently been "given" 2 games now
Well, they’re forgetting 2 critical things.
1. If Holliday never touched home plate (he did), best case scenario for SD, it’s a tie game with Helton on 2B and Hawpe at the plate. Not a Rockies loss.
2. If Barmes didn’t catch the ball, best case scenario for StL, it’s a tie game with Street still pitching and the Rockies bottom half coming up. Not a Rockies loss.
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Thank you for pointing that out..
I have been telling that to Padres fans since the play-in game….
Dear Rockies - Do not make me live in a world where John Kruk is right....
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego con RISP
Brad Hawpe- Simmering..ready to get boiling HAWTE..seriously.
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, waiting to swoop into the playoffs!
In the Holliday game, didn't the umps earlier blow a HR call
on an Atkins hit? Pads fans forget that one, too.
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
Also
Holliday was never tagged, so how could he be out?
by KindredSprites on Sep 29, 2009 5:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Call me crazy, but I just do not believe what I see in that photo...
Still photos can be easily manipulated. I mean, sheesh, look what the Row and MCC can do with PhotoShop.
I would think someone in television, can take that video and examine it from several angles. They have the technology. They can rotate it, flip it it inside out, etc. If someone can produce the video, not a still photo, that shows the ball hitting the ground and Barmes, magically, scooping it up, then I’ll believe it.
And has been mentioned ad nauseum, it isn’t cheating or bad sportmanship. It’s unfortunate that Spilly made his coy comment, which I think is Spilly is having a little fun with this.
That said, game is over. We won.
Dear Rockies - Do not make me live in a world where John Kruk is right....
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego con RISP
Brad Hawpe- Simmering..ready to get boiling HAWTE..seriously.
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, waiting to swoop into the playoffs!
nope nope we're cheaters and classless and haven't deserved anything we've won or succeeded at
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 29, 2009 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions
well at least we don't hate kittens...
Dear Rockies - Do not make me live in a world where John Kruk is right....
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego con RISP
Brad Hawpe- Simmering..ready to get boiling HAWTE..seriously.
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, waiting to swoop into the playoffs!
Actually
Not a big fan of kittens.
Tigers, though, I’m a fan of (particulalry Siberian)
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DOH! right...I forgot....
what, with all the great pitching, phenomenal defense, and generally timely and powerful hitting leading to the 88-68 record,
I lost track of the cheating…
Dear Rockies - Do not make me live in a world where John Kruk is right....
Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego con RISP
Brad Hawpe- Simmering..ready to get boiling HAWTE..seriously.
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, waiting to swoop into the playoffs!
I mean, sheesh, look what the Row and MCC can do with PhotoShop.

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