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Tuesday Rockpile: No matter what, the choke isn't on us

In the latest ESPN Baseball Tonight Clubhouse: Steve Phillips points out what we all know already:  the Braves have the pitching and schedule to catch the Rockies.  Colorado could do a lot for themselves with a sweep against Milwaukee starting tonight (or at least a series win please), as the magic number currently sits at five.

I hate to stoop to this level devoid of optimism, but since so many are there, I'll address this.  Would this be an enormous choke job if the Rockies failed to make the postseason?  It certainly feels as if the Rockies are sputtering while the Braves are roaring to life.

But take a quick check at the Rockies' Baseball Reference page.  Colorado's 16-9 record in September is their best month of the season outside of that ridiculous 21-7 June.  With just one win in the first two games against Milwaukee, September will be the second winningest month of the season, while they are already assured of having the second best win percentage.  

Colorado could very easily have 18 wins in September, just two shy of that magical 2007 stretch run month.

So limping towards the postseason?  Hardly.  There are certainly issues and inconsistencies with this team, but the frustrations are magnified by the Braves.  In reality, the team is finishing off the season strong in the W column.  

If the Rockies somehow don't find their way into the NLDS, don't blame them.  It would require Atlanta to go no worse than 17-7 in their final 24 games, and that's assuming the Rockies are done winning.  I'm not saying no one has a right to be disappointed, but regardless of what happens in the season's final week, we will not be witnessing a "choke job."

Now for a tiny dose of external optimism for dessert:  Will Carroll at Baseball Prospectus says "[Colorado's] playoff spot [is] all but locked down" in this Under the Knife article yesterday, which mentions Aaron Cook's potential role in the playoffs.

 

Denver Post

Two Post columnists have decided to pay a little attention to the Rockies this week, now that RaidersWeek is over. Jim Armstrong acknowledges pitching has gotten the Rockies into playoff position, crediting Bob Apodaca and Jim Tracy.  Armstrong points to a change in philosophy for why the arms have had so much success.

Jim Tracy, sent an immediate message to his starters: Show me your stuff, and I'll show you patience.

Woody Paige lays down his one-sentence nonsencial banter style in his Questions get Brave answers column.  I couldn't force myself to read it all, but there doesn't seem to be much content there.

MLB Rumors posted a discussion on Huston Street and what he might be able to leverage financially out of the Rockies after his fantastic season.  After being a piece Billy Beane was happy to move, Street has put up numbers that leave him as the NL's fifth most valuable reliever.  How much is he worth (this season, he had $7.7mil in value)?  Do you buy out arbitration and pay him a 3-year $25million contract?  Pay what he's due in arbitration?  Trade him at his very high value?

Troy Renck's take: Rocks need Street to stay

Several links from other SBNation blogs follow under the fold.

Star-divide

Fantasy

We didn't win in Tulo vs. Braun or Holliday vs. Rollins or even Tulo vs. Rollins in 2007.  But if you're bitter at all about that, here's a tiny tiny pill for satisfaction.  Raygu at FakeTeams is putting together a series, ranking players by position for their fantasy value going into 2010.   Troy Tulowitzki is the 2nd ranked NL shortstop, above Jimmy Rollins.  

In a separate article, he includes a poll:  Who Would You Rather Have: Troy Tulowitzki or Jimmy Rollins? Tulo is winning the vote in a landslide, which I suppose isn't surprising.  But with how much East Coast bias is mentioned here, it's worth noting that our golden boy puts Philly's to shame.  A Philly fan even comments:  "Tulo, and it's not even close."

In the same series, Raygu ranks the Top 10 NL Catchers going into 2010.  Only four NL catchers beat out the Rockies' current backup catcher.  Even in a terrible year, I promise that Iannetta still gets love from outside of RockiesMagicNumber and I.

 

Other links around SBNation

Gondeee, the manager of Talking Chop, is still not on the "believe bandwagon of hype" yet.

The Rockies get screwed by the umps here and there, and we have umpiring controversies.  Sunday featured a poor call on SKip Schumaker at first in the ninth inning and Clint Barmes apparently dropped the game-ending double play ball.  Surely Cardinals fans would be livid, right?  The reaction from Viva El Birdos?  Practically nada.

Tommy Bennett goes in depth on pitch selection and game theory in the freshest article going at Beyond the Boxscore.

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One thing about the Armstrong column
We may be talking about the greatest comeback since Kirstie Alley’s twin chins.

I LOL’d.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 9:43 AM MDT reply actions  

That has to be the worst line ever written about a comeback..

just stupid…and IMO not funny…

Dear Rockies - Do not make me live in a world where John Kruk is right....

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego con RISP
Brad Hawpe- Simmering..ready to get boiling HAWTE..seriously.
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, waiting to swoop into the playoffs!

by SDcat09 on Sep 29, 2009 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

I have a plan

Let’s just go 5-1 over the last 6 and make the Braves irrelevant.

"You're out here for one [expletive] specific reason, to [expletive] us!" - Earl Weaver

by free7694 on Sep 29, 2009 9:44 AM MDT reply actions  

This is a good plan

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 29, 2009 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

I approve

"There are only two important things in life: baseball and breathing. But at least you can survive without breathing for 3 minutes."
www.soundclick.com/hollidayrain

by Hollidayrain on Sep 29, 2009 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

In the words of RMN

EXECUTE

Patrick Saunders: I think Kruk is lazy.

by Rawktober on Sep 29, 2009 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

Put them in the Iron Maiden!

Iron Maiden! Excellent!

/air guitar duet

by Muzia on Sep 29, 2009 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think it's unanimous

Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.

by RdRnnr on Sep 29, 2009 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

Very interesting...I was curious how that might come from

Link? Btw, 5th best by Fangraphs was also just in the NL, so 2nd in the NL by tRA is impressive. Fo sho.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 29, 2009 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

"Kruk":http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4513470&categoryid=2521705

This mother****er.

My hatred for this man has just worsened.

Remember old folks, I'm just 17 years old =]

by CentralCaliRox on Sep 29, 2009 9:50 AM MDT reply actions  

LA LA LA LA LA LA CANT HEAR YOU

NOT RAISING MY BLOOD PRESSURE TODAY NOPE NOPE

EXECUTE

by Andrew Martin on Sep 29, 2009 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Oh man yeah..

Watch that and your blood pressure will boil.

Remember old folks, I'm just 17 years old =]

by CentralCaliRox on Sep 29, 2009 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

I got a joke...

John Kruk, Jeff Skilling and Bernie Madoff walked into a bar….(waiting for a good punchline here)

by lizardlad01 on Sep 29, 2009 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Cops come in

and arrest Skilling, Madoff and an assortment of Rockies fans for beating up Kruk to a bloody pulp.

by lizardlad01 on Sep 29, 2009 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I can never link for some freaking reason...

I’m following the Formatting Guide to a T..ugh whatever I think people get what I’m saying.

Remember old folks, I'm just 17 years old =]

by CentralCaliRox on Sep 29, 2009 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

As many a rapper has said in a diss song

Kruk, go play in traffic

"You're out here for one [expletive] specific reason, to [expletive] us!" - Earl Weaver

by free7694 on Sep 29, 2009 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

Shrug

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 29, 2009 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly my reaction.

Who cares? He’s making a prediction not in our favor. I’m sure he’s not the only one.

by holly96 on Sep 29, 2009 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

That would be awesome if we passed the Phils as did the Braves

Rox, please start playing with heart! Let's finish this thing off!

by smokinRox on Sep 29, 2009 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

Best case scenario

Rockies currently 4.5 games behind Dodgers. Padres sweep Dodgers(highly possible). Rockies sweep Brewers. We are 1.5 games behind the Dodgers. We sweep Dodgers or win the Series. Rockies win NL West, Braves Win NL East. Dodgers don’t make playoffs at all.

Can someone check my math?

Dear Rockies - Do not make me live in a world where John Kruk is right....

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego con RISP
Brad Hawpe- Simmering..ready to get boiling HAWTE..seriously.
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, waiting to swoop into the playoffs!

by SDcat09 on Sep 29, 2009 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Dodgers have locked up a spot, I'm pretty sure

but the Phils could still be knocked from the playoffs completely. I would love to see us pass the Dodgers, win the division, Dodgers WC, and Braves NL East champs.

Rox, please start playing with heart! Let's finish this thing off!

by smokinRox on Sep 29, 2009 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

This is correct.

Dodgers have clinched at least a WC.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

okay...thanks..Darn I forgot about that....

Dear Rockies - Do not make me live in a world where John Kruk is right....

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego con RISP
Brad Hawpe- Simmering..ready to get boiling HAWTE..seriously.
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, waiting to swoop into the playoffs!

by SDcat09 on Sep 29, 2009 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

If this were to happen...

…even Kruk would be saying What the Kruk?!?!?

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

I know and it would make my day

Rox, please start playing with heart! Let's finish this thing off!

by smokinRox on Sep 29, 2009 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

I know and it would make my year

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

We would be 2 behind the Dodgers entering that series.

They have two games against San Diego, off day on Thursday. We have three against Milwaukee.

by RoxnSox09 on Sep 29, 2009 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

oh I was thinking they played 3...

okay so, then we sweep Dodgers we’d still have the division, right?

Dear Rockies - Do not make me live in a world where John Kruk is right....

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego con RISP
Brad Hawpe- Simmering..ready to get boiling HAWTE..seriously.
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, waiting to swoop into the playoffs!

by SDcat09 on Sep 29, 2009 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

The only way we win the division is....

…if we win out, and the Dodgers lose every game the rest of the way.

Their division magic number is 1

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well, he actually makes some sense

He has a well-reasoned argument. I think he’s wrong, of course, but he’s got some good points. He picked the Braves a long time ago and he’s sticking with his pick. I can respect that. I still think the Marlins will win one of the next two and the Nats will win one out of four. It could very well happen the Braves win all six remaining games and the Rox go 3-3. Would any of us be shocked? I’ll just tip my hat to a phenomenal run if that happens. Also, I’ll drink a lot of beer and cry.

It’s not happening: Go Rockies!

by fatheadX on Sep 29, 2009 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why Kruk makes no sense

When the Rox were only three games back in the WC, he actually said the Rox weren’t even going to be contenders for the WC. Of course, we went on to take the WC lead about a week later, and have held on to it ever since.

But we’re not contenders.

The funny part is he felt the need to remind us that a month ago he was picking the Braves, but he doesn’t have the stones to remind us that 2.5 months ago, he said the Rox weren’t even going to be contenders.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

In the only series more important than us and the Braves...

Tigers/Twins scoreless in the 1st of the first game. Wish I had TV in here.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 10:15 AM MDT reply actions  

This may sound like a very bizarre thing to say....

But a week like this really makes me wish that a) I could watch games on TV, and b) I had enough energy to devote the whole time during the game to watching, keeping track, and hanging out in the game thread with you guys. I’m already overstretched as it is – and I picked up the PR cold (!!) — so I can’t, but I really do wish I could.

Carlos Gonzalez is a sexy man

by Squeaky on Sep 29, 2009 10:21 AM MDT reply actions  

This is one of those deals where you have to take a step back.

Boy, it has sure FELT like the Rockies have struggled to win series and score runs. But the numbers clearly show that our boys are not choking this one away; the Braves are just putting together a tomahawk-tober.

We can do this, and it starts tonight!

Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.

by RdRnnr on Sep 29, 2009 10:25 AM MDT reply actions  

"tomahawk-tober"

Borderline copyright infringement, please stop.

And no, Chief Noc-a-tober is no better.

LOL

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking

Chief NOToctober

Dear Rockies - Do not make me live in a world where John Kruk is right....

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego con RISP
Brad Hawpe- Simmering..ready to get boiling HAWTE..seriously.
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, waiting to swoop into the playoffs!

by SDcat09 on Sep 29, 2009 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Can I use it if it give you credit?

Such as the sentance: “The Braves are gojng to fail to pull off a Tomahawk-tober (TM-Mondogarage), but make Rockies fans plenty nervous.”

I might even try to find the ASCII code for the actual TM mark…

Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.

by RdRnnr on Sep 29, 2009 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, it ain't my TM

….I was poking at how the Rox ended up somehow TMing “Rocktober” well after others starting using it on shirts and stuff…

But if you ASCII’d it, that would actually look pretty badass. I have to say I like Chief Noc-a-tober a bit better, but both are pale imitations of ROCKTOBER!!! WOOHOO!!!

All fall well short of Thongtember, however.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Its Chief NOTober...because the Braves are not gonna catch us!

Dear Rockies - Do not make me live in a world where John Kruk is right....

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego con RISP
Brad Hawpe- Simmering..ready to get boiling HAWTE..seriously.
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, waiting to swoop into the playoffs!

by SDcat09 on Sep 29, 2009 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Didn't Chief Noc-a-homa have a daughter...

princess something?

Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.

by RdRnnr on Sep 29, 2009 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Princess Not-A-Looker

Hee.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Google is my friend...

Princess Win-A-Lotta
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Noc-A-Homa

Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.

by RdRnnr on Sep 29, 2009 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

Somebody needs to remind the Braves that they don't have a teepee in their new park...

More from that wikipedia article:
“In the late 1970s, when the previously mediocre Braves became contenders again, a peculiar superstition arose. When football season approached and the portable bleachers needed to be opened up for the Atlanta Falcons, the tipi was typically removed… and at that point, the Braves would typically start to lose. Superstitious fans claimed that disrupting Noc-A-Homa’s home was the cause of their downturn, rather than the team just not having enough depth to sustain first place for the season. After this happened several years in a row, though, the story began to take on a semblance of truth.

The rumor reached a fevered pitch in 1982, when the Braves were in first place with a seemingly insurmountable lead. Needing additional seating for sellouts, the Braves removed the tipi and sold tickets to the seats normally supporting it. The Braves promptly lost 19 of their next 21 games and fell to third place.1 When Braves management put the tipi back in place, the Braves went back to first place and ultimately won the Western division that year."

Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.

by RdRnnr on Sep 29, 2009 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

That's truly bizarre.

"There are only two important things in life: baseball and breathing. But at least you can survive without breathing for 3 minutes."
www.soundclick.com/hollidayrain

by Hollidayrain on Sep 29, 2009 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

I find if FASCINATING

I love jinxes and good luck charms and such

EXECUTE

by Andrew Martin on Sep 29, 2009 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

BUT....BUT....You are a numbers guy

things like jinxes and lucky charms and curses should blow your mind, as they aren’t quantitative.

by Redhawk on Sep 29, 2009 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm taking credit for the Braves loss tonight based on this post.

LOL

Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.

by RdRnnr on Sep 29, 2009 10:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

If the braves go 21-2 to finish the season...

I’ll tip my cap.

Of course, if we go 5-1, it doesn’t matter whether they go 21-2, we still win the WC.

If we ultimately end up NOT winning the WC…sure, that will leave a very bittersweet taste in my mouth, but nothing can really diminish the accomplishments of our team this season. We’ve already won 15 more games than last season, won the most road games in our team’s history, and had the best pitching staff in our team’s history.

We’re very well positioned for the future, and it’s important to be present with the fact that the Rockies are a club on the long term rise.

That said, let’s sweep those damn Brewers.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 10:26 AM MDT reply actions   2 recs

3/25 doesn't seem like a good deal from Street's PoV

Unless he’s worried about his health. I mean, it’s not a horrible deal, but it doesn’t offer anything over a fairly conservative estimate of his arb award and FA prospects.

Also, was there a story on why Betancourt was bypassed for Street in the 8th inning Sunday? I found it odd that Renck wants the Rockies to pick up RafBet’s option when they don’t seem to trust him much. And a multi-yr deal for Barmes? Oy.

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Sep 29, 2009 10:28 AM MDT reply actions  

I'm sure not all that confident in him.

At least at Coors. His fastball is about the straightest I’ve ever seen, and it seems he can only get away with that because he has really good control and can paint the lower corners of the zone. If he’s not getting those pitches called for strikes, he tends to elevate and get hit hard. In a park like San Diego or San Fransisco that can hold those deep flies, let him pitch. At Coors, those are going to find gaps or seats.

by RoxnSox09 on Sep 29, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not trusting Betancourt boggles my mind

We are an organization that had a closer with a 7.00+ ERA not too long ago. And now we can’t trust a pitcher with a 2.05 ERA, 2.14 FIP, 2.15 tRA, 0.95 WHIP, 0.41 HR/9, 9.41 K/9, and 5.75 K/BB?

Yeah, I realize small sample size, but that’s a circular argument if you don’t have confidence in what you’ve seen out of him. He HAS allowed 45% of the inherited runners to score with us (11% with Cleveland), but that doesn’t preclude you from starting an inning.

I haven’t been able to see every outing he has had, but I don’t understand where the lack of confidence comes from

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 29, 2009 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'll be interested

Yet I maintain: if you distrust him only due to inherited runners, there’s no reason not to trust him to start an inning. I would wager the calf was a greater portion of the equation

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 29, 2009 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Completely un-Rockies related, but shameless self promotion...

One of my band’s shows got reviewed (sorta) in the Denver Post last week. I honestly don’t get the Yo La Tengo comparisons, but we’ll say “thank you” anyway

http://blogs.denverpost.com/reverb/2009/09/28/live-review-the-alltunators-velvet-cash-jimbo-darville-and-the-truckadours-new-ben-franklins-the-meadowlark/

I must say it’s unsurprising people started leaving, given how we got a bit of a shaft at the last minute and got pushed back to an 11:30pm start time. On a weeknight.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 10:33 AM MDT reply actions  

Is it 5:30 PM yet....(well 6:30 for you guys)?

Dear Rockies - Do not make me live in a world where John Kruk is right....

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego con RISP
Brad Hawpe- Simmering..ready to get boiling HAWTE..seriously.
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, waiting to swoop into the playoffs!

by SDcat09 on Sep 29, 2009 10:36 AM MDT reply actions  

Detroit up 1-0...

damn, I would really like to see the Twins sweep today.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 10:38 AM MDT reply actions  

GO TWINS!

Dear Rockies - Do not make me live in a world where John Kruk is right....

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego con RISP
Brad Hawpe- Simmering..ready to get boiling HAWTE..seriously.
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, waiting to swoop into the playoffs!

by SDcat09 on Sep 29, 2009 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Go Tigers, that's my AL team and the team I grew up following.

I would have to root for them if the Rox don’t get in!

Rox, please start playing with heart! Let's finish this thing off!

by smokinRox on Sep 29, 2009 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm going for the Angels if the Twins don't make it..

Dear Rockies - Do not make me live in a world where John Kruk is right....

Troy Tulowitzki - THE best SS in the game..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - En Fuego con RISP
Brad Hawpe- Simmering..ready to get boiling HAWTE..seriously.
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, waiting to swoop into the playoffs!

by SDcat09 on Sep 29, 2009 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

If it's a Rox/Angels WS...

…a fellow pokah blogger from the coast may come out here for a game, and that would be cool.

Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave

by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

I have ranked all the teams that would currently make the playoffs

1) Rox
2) Tigers
3) Cards
4) Angels
5) Phils
6) Dodgers (only because they are NL)
7) Yanks
8) Red Sox

Rox, please start playing with heart! Let's finish this thing off!

by smokinRox on Sep 29, 2009 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

1) Rox
2) Angels
3) Cards

4) Tigers
5) Phillies
6) Dodgers
7) Yankees
8) Red Sox

Twins go to 2 if they make it.

Anyone notice the Dodgers are the only projected playoff team not to have reached to World Series this decade?

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 29, 2009 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

Huh, you're right.

All large budget clubs, with the exception of the Rockies.

by Muzia on Sep 29, 2009 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

Goes to show you how big an advantage money can be

when talking about something so rare as a playoff appearance.

There is parity in baseball, but consistent success is much more likely with $$ behind it.

by Muzia on Sep 29, 2009 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

That's mostly true but there's a lot of variation among the teams

and it’s a bit unfair to the Cardinals. According to Cots’ 2009-2013 spreadsheet, the MLB average payroll is $91 million. The Rockies are certainly below that, but the Cardinals are right near the average. (Though the Yankees cause the AL average to be higher the MLB avg.) There’s a lot bigger difference between the Yankees payroll and any of the other likely AL playoff teams teams than between the Rockies and the top NL clubs (Mets and Cubs). However, the Rockies have certainly done well with their resources.

Your other post seems spot on, though. Hefty payrolls tend go along with consistent playoff-level performances. It seems like the parity comes from the ability for teams to advance through the playoff system and win pennants and championships.

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Sep 29, 2009 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

That is so sad about the Dodgers...

NOT!

Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.

by RdRnnr on Sep 29, 2009 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

I love the Gemini

GO JOE! It’s a shame that Morneau is out for the year…..it’s amazing that they’ve come back to contention without him.

"There are only two important things in life: baseball and breathing. But at least you can survive without breathing for 3 minutes."
www.soundclick.com/hollidayrain

by Hollidayrain on Sep 29, 2009 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

I have to say, tonight is the most important night in my mind

and I think this is the one chance for the Braves to lose and possibly lose some momentum if we also win. Johnson is obviously a stud, and if the Braves are able to beat him, then they might not lose at all for the rest of this season. That would obvioulsy bode very bad for our chances.

Rox, please start playing with heart! Let's finish this thing off!

by smokinRox on Sep 29, 2009 10:49 AM MDT reply actions  

Agreed.

If the Braves beat Johnson, the Rockies had better go 5-1, because I’m not sure they could beat the Braves in Atlanta right now.

By the way, does anybody else think the second tiebreaker is stupid? It comes down to your record within your division. I guess that makes sense between teams in the same division, but for the wild card it basically favors the weak division. I think the record of one division against the other would be a better tiebreaker.

by RoxnSox09 on Sep 29, 2009 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think the second tie breaker should be

Best record in the division neither team is a member of. In this case the Central

"I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else." - W. Churchill

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 29, 2009 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

That would be good too.

My option has the disadvantage that it doesn’t directly involve the teams in question, so it would never be adopted.

by RoxnSox09 on Sep 29, 2009 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think it should be altitude

Patrick Saunders: I think Kruk is lazy.

by Rawktober on Sep 29, 2009 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

I like the cut of your jib!

Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.

by RdRnnr on Sep 29, 2009 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Should the Marlins win tonight we may be thanking our lucky stars

that Josh came down with the flu pushing his start from Sunday to today. I like their chances a lot better with him on the mound than with Vanden Hurk

May the Rockies bring me to paydirt!

by Rocks rock on Sep 29, 2009 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

Both Holliday and Johnson

got the 24 hour let’s-help-the-Rockies Flu.

"I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else." - W. Churchill

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 29, 2009 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

true

all the Braves have to do is lose once so they can have it in there minds that they CAN lose again…that 1 loss will kill them

we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE

we will end at 91-71 and the braves will end at 90-72...take it to the bank

by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 29, 2009 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Something to think about...

…if we do have to have a play-in game, Atlanta’s starter will be Vasquez, based on their current rotation.

I do not like this.

But it’s a big “if”. A smaller “if” is, if we take care of business, we’ll be fine.

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by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 10:51 AM MDT reply actions  

Ours would be....

Jason Hammel. Or Cook if we pushed it. Jimenez on 3 days rest would be a wild card (no pun intended) I do not want to broach

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 29, 2009 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

I would be okay with Hammel on the road.

He is almost a guarantee for a quality start.

by Muzia on Sep 29, 2009 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

not just any wood

you have to knock on an actual tree if you want it to work

"I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else." - W. Churchill

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 29, 2009 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

That would hurt my hand.

and anger the forest gods. We don’t want to anger the bats.

by Muzia on Sep 29, 2009 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

The expression actually comes from

an archaic animistic belief that you can communicate with the gods through the trees. I guess you knock on the tree to get their attention. Don’t anger them, just say “hi” and ask for a Rockies’ Victory

"I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else." - W. Churchill

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 29, 2009 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

I will knock on a tree, then.

But I am still offering rum to Jobu beforehand.

by Muzia on Sep 29, 2009 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

He's about five times better than going with Josh Fogg

After QSing in his first 6 road starts, he has done so just 4 of his last 9. However, that’s almost entirely due to not being allowed to go 6.0 IP.

He has allowed over 3 ER on the road in just 2 of his 15 road starts

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 29, 2009 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

Would you prefer Marquis?

or maybe Contreras? in a BIG Game?

"I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else." - W. Churchill

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 29, 2009 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

I would prefer Ubaldo

But actually now that Marquis has lost his mind, Hammel is fine. Though I really wouldn’t mind DLR. I’m sure he wants revenge on the Braves for what happened last time he was in Atlanta

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 29, 2009 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think that Hammel

is not the greatest, but perhaps the most consistent (at least right now). I have more confidence that I at least know what to expect from him than ANY of the other, even though the others when good are much better.

"I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else." - W. Churchill

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 29, 2009 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

That's ok

Vazquez is not a big game pitcher.

by Hizilla on Sep 29, 2009 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

And Hammel is? :)

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 29, 2009 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

Fine.

He regressed a bit, but fine.

by Muzia on Sep 29, 2009 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

hammel regressed?

he’s awesome compared to the weird bullpen/spot start thing he had going on last year

EXECUTE

by Andrew Martin on Sep 29, 2009 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think he's referring to Aneury

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 29, 2009 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

oh

He’s 21, in AA, and facing stiffer competition. He’s still around a K/BB of 2, and I’m sure his K9 will start to rise again.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 29, 2009 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

Still a great trade from our end

Full of certainty for the Rays, though they were dealing from a position of organizational strength. But I am sure Aneury will be just fine.

by Muzia on Sep 29, 2009 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I actually agree with you.

As a White Sox fan on the side, I can’t stand the guy. I think his season is mostly a fluke (a la Esteban Loiza). He pitched progressively worse as the games became more important last season.

by RoxnSox09 on Sep 29, 2009 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

I was trying to refer to Ozzie

whom I can’t stand, as a baseball fan. I actually think that JV was pretty underrated last season, his peripherals were pretty good, and facing the opposing team’s pitcher twice per game rather than the DH has really improved that.

by Hizilla on Sep 29, 2009 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

Eh, he's definitely no Loaiza

Look at his strikeout rates throughout his career.

I do think he’s pitching a little better than he is this season though.

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by Hollidayrain on Sep 29, 2009 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

Barmes' "catch" ;)

Another great moment in Rockies lore

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by Hollidayrain on Sep 29, 2009 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

Twins 1, Tigers 1

WOOT!

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by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 11:30 AM MDT reply actions  

Go Twins!

Never give up, never surrender.

by Justus on Sep 29, 2009 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

My new offseason acquisition plan

Don’t extend Barmes long term.

Instead, trade [somebody] to Baltimore for Brian Roberts. Brian Roberts plays 2 years for us, gets 50-60 doubles both seasons, then suddenly Hector Gomez is here.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 29, 2009 11:41 AM MDT reply actions  

(Orioles ask for Hector Gomez and a top pitching prospect)

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 29, 2009 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Especially if we're taking on Roberts' salary

But to be honest, I really don’t see the Rox taking on that many dollars, and I’m actually okay with that.

I’d be willing to go into 2010 with EY2 at 2B, provided he works all winter on defense.

I’d also be okay with one more year of Barmey.

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by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

He's about as good of insurance as you can have for 2B

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 29, 2009 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm sure someone here will break it down

Heck I don’t have a job, so I might, but I think the team will be shedding some pretty big dollars this year. Granted, some will be due raises like Street. But Marquis is likely gone, Atkins likely gone. That alone is 16mil off the payroll – not to mention if Bradley is traded.

by Hizilla on Sep 29, 2009 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

And if Corpas is traded, which is a possibility

But U-Ball and Tulo will be due raises, and I have a feeling the Rox may try to sign CarGo to a Tulo-type contract (though that’s really unlikely with Boras as the agent).

There should be some payroll room, but say we try to keep Betancourt’s option…I just don’t know that there’s room for Roberts-type dollars. That said, I’d be very happy to see him in purple for a year or two.

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by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind looking

…but I’m actually working on a job.

There’s that one website that’s got all the contract figures on it, but I don’t know the name/url.

But I think Roberts is getting something like $9-10m a year right now.

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by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Here you go

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/

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by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Brian Roberts' current contract
  1. 4 years/$40M (2010-13)

    * signed extension with Baltimore 2/20/09
    * 10:$10M, 11:$10M, 12:$10M, 13:$10M
    * limited no-trade protection: Roberts may block deals to 8 clubs in 2010, 12 clubs in 2011
    * full no-trade protection in 2012
    * award bonuses

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by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

I just don’t know if there’s a way to fit it in the budget, unless we make a deep playoff run and increase the season tix base. At least the last two years, Helton’s contract will be off the books.

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by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

There's a bunch of stuff in a previous fanpost thread

I looked up some info on Rockies contracts.

With the emergence of Smith, Fowler, and Dex, Hawpe could be an issue if the team isn’t willing to up payroll again.

Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!

by FooMan on Sep 29, 2009 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why are they due raises?

I thought we had already signed contracts with Tulo and U-Ball to buy out arbitration years?

by Muzia on Sep 29, 2009 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not new raises

But raises built in to those contracts. Not massive raises, but next year, Tulo gets a $2.5m raise from this year. U-Ball’s raise is actually only $500k (his bigger raises come after ’10).

But Cookie gets a $1.25m raise, and Francis a $2m raise. So for those four together, that’s another $6.25m above this year, which by itself pretty much negates Atkins.

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by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ah, thanks for clarifying

I thought you meant raises outside of what was already guaranteed in contract.

The FO has shown the ability and willingness to increase payroll the last couple of years, especially taking risks with promising young talent. I am not terribly worried on this front.

by Muzia on Sep 29, 2009 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not worried either, but...

…we’re at $74m for this year (we were only $54m in 2007), and I just don’t see us going as high as $85-90m. Maybe $80m, maybe.

We’ll save money if we trade or give up trying to retain Hawpe/Corpas/Atkins/Torrealba/Giambi/Marquis, but I’m just not sure that’s enough to get Roberts. My fingers will be crossed, though.

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by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

I see them signing Street

And maybe some deal with Cargo. Trade Hawpe, Marquis goes. No way they trade for Roberts with Heltons contract here if they spend more it on Jimenez.

by Roxfan24 on Sep 29, 2009 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

I own him on MLB 2010

I put him in the 3-hole over Pujols, Ibanez and Ludwick because he’s leading the majors with 13 home runs mid-May in my season. :)

Let’s do it

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 29, 2009 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Crazy hypothetical of the moment

Rox 6-0
LA 0-6

Rockies win NL West

Phils 1-5
Atl 5-1

Atl wins NL East

LA wins wildcard

Phils eliminated

"If I can't live off $12-million, there are serious problems." -Larry Walker on Juan Gonzalez

by MacFrantic on Sep 29, 2009 11:45 AM MDT reply actions  

That is indeed crazy

But I don’t want ulcers. Also, LA only has 5 games left.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 29, 2009 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling Mets fans would love that.

by Rather Dashing on Sep 29, 2009 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

oops

you’re right

"If I can't live off $12-million, there are serious problems." -Larry Walker on Juan Gonzalez

by MacFrantic on Sep 29, 2009 11:48 AM MDT reply actions  

But they would still win the wild card if they went 0-5

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 29, 2009 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

in that situation, would we face atlanta?

"If I can't live off $12-million, there are serious problems." -Larry Walker on Juan Gonzalez

by MacFrantic on Sep 29, 2009 11:49 AM MDT reply actions  

It would depend on how the Cards finish

LA would play Cards or ATL, whoever had the better record

"I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else." - W. Churchill

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 29, 2009 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

We'd likely play the Braves

They’d be 91-71, and STL is already 90-66

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by free7694 on Sep 29, 2009 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

I love that you are suddenly

using the term “likely” in this scenario. Nothing about what we are talking about here is “likely” !!! ;)

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¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 29, 2009 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

I guess I meant

If that highly unlikely scenario happens, the likely outcome would be a Rockies/Braves series

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by free7694 on Sep 29, 2009 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

You know what

I would like a Rockies Braves series! That would be exciting!!!

"I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else." - W. Churchill

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 29, 2009 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Assuming of course

it is not a one game series…

That is a little TOO exciting even for me

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¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 29, 2009 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not so much in Atlanta

Where they’ll be trying to give away $1 seats…

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by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think they should not make it

to the playoffs until their fans give a crap.

It would still be exciting for me!

"I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else." - W. Churchill

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 29, 2009 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Was this your thought last week...

as the Rockies played the Padres before a half-empty (at least!!) ballpark?

Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.

by RdRnnr on Sep 29, 2009 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah it was like 30 degrees

Are you trying to argue that the Rockies fans are no better than the Braves fans? Really?

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¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 29, 2009 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

No, Rox fans>Braves fans

But please…attendance this year has not been good considering the product put on the field. Last weekend was full…of Cardinals fans. The Reds series had official (tickets sold, not tickets used) numbers of 40,357 (Labor Day); 23,154 (81 degrees, 5 game winning streak); 23,721 (80 degrees, 6 game winning streak); and 24,175 (82 degrees, 7 game winning streak, within 2 of the Dodgers).

Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.

by RdRnnr on Sep 29, 2009 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bad economy is bad?

Gladly sharing a name with Dexter Fowler!

by ShadowPenguin on Sep 29, 2009 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

In Denver, but not Atlanta?

Look I’m NOT defending Braves fans (I’ve lived there, they are TUURRRIBLE)

But this is probably the best team the Rockies have ever put on the field, and they seem to be playing to the seats.

And I understand the economy is bad and people have other stuff going on (heck, I’m not at 81 games a year!), but you can’t say stuff like, “Yeah, I think they should not make it to the playoffs until their fans give a crap.” if the team you want to be in the playoffs aren’t drawing well either. Rock Oax has an excuse for not being at the games, so I’m not picking on him; I wouldn’t make many games if I lived in Mexico either! ;-)

Just to be clear, lots of folks here get to more games that I do, so I see myself as part of the problem too. But that doesn’t mean that there isn’t a problem.

Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.

by RdRnnr on Sep 29, 2009 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Do you happen to have the attendance figures from 2007?

I’m just curious if this is par for the course for Denver fans, or if the economy or something is actually causing a drop in attendance.

I’m not disagreeing that there should be more support for the Rox, but I want to dig into and figure out the reason :-)

Gladly sharing a name with Dexter Fowler!

by ShadowPenguin on Sep 29, 2009 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Here's total's from every year.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/COL/attend.shtml

And here’s where I was getting game-by-game numbers (but it only shows 08 and 09)
http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=mlb/teams/013/attendance.aspx?team=013

Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.

by RdRnnr on Sep 29, 2009 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Looking at that

Attendance is up this year over 2007. Barely below 2008 level, but we still have 3 games to make up that 100k difference.
I think the support is fine, all things considered (bad 2008, terrible start to season)

Gladly sharing a name with Dexter Fowler!

by ShadowPenguin on Sep 29, 2009 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe my expectations are too high...

thanks for the discussion.

Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.

by RdRnnr on Sep 29, 2009 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

In fairness...

lots of fans only know what they see on TV and read in the papers. Denver media has not given the tam much attention until very recently.

Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.

by RdRnnr on Sep 29, 2009 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Don't you worry ;-)

It’ll be packed in the playoffs, and next year also. If they continue to play well, I bet we’ll see attendance numbers back up in the 3 million range!

Gladly sharing a name with Dexter Fowler!

by ShadowPenguin on Sep 29, 2009 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

We are not

terrible.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Sep 29, 2009 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Let's look at the numbers...

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/ATL/attend.shtml
The last 5 years:
10 of 16 NL teams
10 of 16 NL teams
9 of 16 NL teams
10 of 16 NL teams (Playoff Team)
10 of 16 NL teams (Playoff Team)
This is from a team in the 6th largest market in the NL (and 3 of the larger markets-NY, LA, and Chicago have to split their markets with an AL club)

Although the BTBS blogger called us out (and I think he’s mostly right to do so), look at the Braves in this chart:
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/9/14/1027737/mlb-2009-attendance-comparison-i

If it makes you feel better, Braves fans>Marlins fans! Maybe terrible is an overstatement, but Braves fans are definitely below average.

Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.

by RdRnnr on Sep 29, 2009 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

28,669 tonight at Turner Field (s/b Aaron Park)

7 game -winning streak, division rival, playoff race can’t draw 30K in the last week of the season!

Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.

by RdRnnr on Sep 29, 2009 9:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm a Braves fan...

…and I still don’t think I’m terrible.

I think what you are saying is that the Braves don’t have enough fans, or very many fans, or something like that. Saying that their fans are terrible is sort of dumb. Obviously they are not terrible, because they support the team. Perhaps you should say that the people of Atlanta who are not Braves fan are terrible.

Thanks, by the way, for telling us what to name our ballpark.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Sep 29, 2009 10:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I could say...

that Rockies fans are terrible, because the Braves blog has more comments — just look at tonight’s game threads! I even have numbers! But that would be dumb. Obviously the quality of Rockies fans is not measured by the number of comments on a blog, and the quality of Braves fans is not measured by the number of fans who are able to attend a ballgame in person.

Don’t know if you’ve heard or not, but Atlanta has experienced major flooding in the last couple of weeks. A lot of people have other things to contend with.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Sep 29, 2009 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

OK, we agree on at least one thing.

You’re not terrible.

Hope things get better with the flood recovery.

Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.

by RdRnnr on Sep 29, 2009 10:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

thanks!

btw….I think Rockies fans are great! I love the tone of this community, for the most part. TC at times gets way too negative for me.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Sep 29, 2009 11:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

?

We’d play the Cards then, not the Braves. We play the team with the better record, and St. Louis will likely win two more games

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 29, 2009 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

In the scenario under discussion

Rockies are NL champs and Dodgers are WC

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¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 29, 2009 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh right...

I’ve written off the division for so long I forgot about that

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 29, 2009 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah it actually made my brain hurt

trying to think about things under that scenario

"I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else." - W. Churchill

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 29, 2009 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Depends on what the Cardinals do

"You're out here for one [expletive] specific reason, to [expletive] us!" - Earl Weaver

by free7694 on Sep 29, 2009 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

And if the phils really tank

we could force a play-in going 2-4

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by MacFrantic on Sep 29, 2009 12:07 PM MDT reply actions  

The only contender that I think may really tank at this point

is the Dodgers

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¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 29, 2009 12:10 PM MDT reply actions  

True

Especially after going 1-3 in Pittsburgh, facing the current Padres at Petco isn’t going to be a treat, especially if Manny, Blake and other starters are still out with injuries.

by ddavis539 on Sep 29, 2009 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Drama in Detroit

1-1, bottom of the ninth, 2 outs, Tigers got a runner on 2nd…

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by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 12:35 PM MDT reply actions  

Tigers-Twins a classic...

1-1 going to the tenth. Twins had runner on third and one out in top of ninth, but Punto popped up an attempted suicide squeeze into a double play.

Nine taut innings in 2:30…this is definitely not Yankees-Red Sox 4-hour yawner!

by alex colfax on Sep 29, 2009 12:37 PM MDT reply actions  

They are gonna be tired tomorrow!

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¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 29, 2009 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's like playoff baseball a week early!

Gotta love it…wish I had a TV in here right now….

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by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

MIN runner on 2nd no out

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¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 29, 2009 12:42 PM MDT reply actions  

TOP 10

MIN Scores… two wild pitches!!! move runner from 1st to third…

2-1 MIN

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¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 29, 2009 12:45 PM MDT reply actions  

And 2 on, no outs

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by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bases juiced

one out

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¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 29, 2009 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

In play, run(s)

Game soon to be ovah!

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by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

3-1 two outs

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¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 29, 2009 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

followed by a single

looks like that perfect save record against the Tigers is on the line

by ddavis539 on Sep 29, 2009 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

I thought my auido was behind.

Sounds like another fly ball.

2 outs, Cabrera up.

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by BlakeBomber on Sep 29, 2009 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

So exciting!

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by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Extra innings in the first game of a double header.

it’s going to be a long day.

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by BlakeBomber on Sep 29, 2009 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Everybody hates day-night doubleheaders...except the owners.

But this one is special.

I’m going to the Rockies game or I’d watch the second game tonight…this one was simply terrific.

by alex colfax on Sep 29, 2009 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Gamecast fail

it showed a single on the screen right after the homerun. I’m not sure if it was in previous play playback mode, or something… It’s corrected itself now. Weird

by ddavis539 on Sep 29, 2009 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Homerun Granderson.

3-2, 0 outs.

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by BlakeBomber on Sep 29, 2009 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Lineup thoughts for tonight against a lefty?

I’m thinking Tracy plays Stewart for defense with Marquis going.
I’m thinking OF of Spilly, Cargo and Hawpe.

May the Rockies bring me to paydirt!

by Rocks rock on Sep 29, 2009 12:46 PM MDT reply actions  

Hawpe is heating up

I say Cargo Dex Hawpe

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¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 29, 2009 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

It should be interesting to see how Tracy handles this

We are increasingly likely to face the Phils in the Playoffs (fingers crossed) and we need to do better against lefties…
This series provides a wonderful opportunity for us to get some ABs against lefties!

"I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else." - W. Churchill

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 29, 2009 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

This conversation might belong better

in Know your Foe (which is up)

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¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 29, 2009 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Now isn't the time to execute, not practice hitting lefties.

I’d rather clinch the WC, then worry about the NLDS matchup later.

by JaySantos on Sep 29, 2009 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Easy for you to say!

tie?

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¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 29, 2009 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't see as how we have a choice

"I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else." - W. Churchill

¡Vamos Rocosos!

by Rock Oax on Sep 29, 2009 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Man, tonight is going to be a TOUGH night for me to have rehearsal

Just whining.

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by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 1:56 PM MDT reply actions  

It was unreal how many students

were walking around campus this afternoon at about 1:45 on their phones checking the twins game haha I bet I heard 5 people walking in the halls say Mauer just walked when they were in the top of the 10th. The twins are my second favorite team and if anyone was watching the game Punto(first base dive champion) pop bunted out on a squeeze play. Exciting time for me as I get to be a part of both races!
Go Rockies tonight! Lets beat the Brew Crew, they fall in as my least hated team. Based on 07 and I’ve been to more of their games then any other team.

"I've never known a man worth his salt who in the long run, deep down in his heart, didn't appreciate the grind, the discipline... I firmly believe that any man's finest hour - this greatest fulfillment to all he holds dear is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." - Vince Lombardi

by nodakroxfan on Sep 29, 2009 1:59 PM MDT reply actions  

Rockies face 4 lefties in final six games...

Narveson and Parra here, Wolf and Kershaw in LA…

by moose14 on Sep 29, 2009 2:10 PM MDT reply actions  

Practice for the Phillies...

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 29, 2009 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Here's the thing...

Parra sucks.
Kershaw’s arm has fallen off.
Narverson’s never through more than 86 pitches this season.

Wolf will probably shut us out.

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by Mondogarage on Sep 29, 2009 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe Wolf will have a dream about spiders

…and get scratched from the game.

I’m just saying, anything could happen.

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by BlakeBomber on Sep 29, 2009 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

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