Thursday Rockpile: Dan O'Dowd's new market inefficiency, unwanted Jasons; Street on ice
by Rox Girl on Sep 3, 2009 8:57 AM MDT
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PrintPart of the fun of watching PBS' Antiques Roadshow is seeing these little old ladies who bought some kitschy knickknack at a yard sale for a dollar years ago find out that it's actually far more valuable than they imagined. That old rug they found on the side of the road is worth ten grand. Dan O'Dowd this year has proven once again that he's got as good an eye for junk as anybody, and Rockies fans are continually wowed by how valuable his pickups actually are, but this year he's going more into a niche market, cast aside players with the first name of Jason:
Jason Marquis - In the offseason, the Cubs decided to slough off some salary in order to pursue Milton Bradley and did it by dealing Marquis to the Rockies for Luis Vizcaino, figuring they had enough rotation depth to cover losing him. Marquis has put in an All-Star season for the Rockies while Vizcaino didn't last a month in Chicago. Bradley has been up and down, but mostly disappointing to the Northsiders. Randy Wells' solid rookie performance has vindicated the Cubs thought that their rotation depth was sufficient, at least.
Jason Hammel - Similar to Marquis in that he was squeezed out of a rotation battle, Hammel was about to be DFA'd by Tampa or traded to San Diego at the end of Spring Training, O'Dowd swooped in and offered a better prospect than the Padres could in RHP Aneury Rodriguez.The 26 year old Hammel has gone 8-7 with a 4.40 ERA for the Rockies. His 2.92 road ERA and club control for the next three seasons would mean that if the Rockies decided to deal him they could expect a better return than they gave up.
Jason Giambi - A lot of Purple Row readers were a bit incredulous when I said that not only did I believe that the team was pursuing Giambi but also that it made sense for them to. Jim Tracy had been using a defensive substitute, Omar Quintanilla, in crucial pinch hit situations and an upgrade was warranted. Giambi was coming from the worst hitting park in the AL (where he had been a bit unlucky to boot) to the best hitting park in the NL and just seemed to fit O'Dowd's modus operandi. I wish I could say I thought he'd be as instantly successful as he was, but his first two PA's have exceeded even my expectations.
Links from the Denver Post
- Latest double from helton matches bambino's total - The Denver Post
- Jimenez shakes off early trouble for a 5-2 win - The Denver Post
- Street hoping waiting game helps him heal - The Denver Post
Franklin Morales' first career save last night might not be his last, as Rockies closer Huston Street is suffering from biceps tendinitis. You can't really downplay this, losing Street for the last month would be a big blow to the Rockies. Let's hope that la forza del destino allows the Rockies to overcome this latest handicap anyway.
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Nit pick...
I think Street said it was bicep tendinitis, not elbow tendinitis. I’m not sure how it matters but biceps sound better than elbows; elbows are scary.
Carlos Gonzalez is a sexy man
dont feel bad,
you’re right to associate tendinitis with a joint and not a muscle… as a tendon is what connects muscle (like a bicep) to bone…at a joint! :P
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by fantasyfencing on Sep 3, 2009 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions
According to a medical website
The treatment for Bicep tendonitis includes:
6. You should rest the area for at least 3 weeks. After 3 weeks you can start on some light stretching and rehabilitation exercises (see below)
The best treatment for becip tendonitis is rest. In most cases, the condition will heal after about 3-6 weeks rest and you will be able to ease back into exercise.
http://www.itendonitis.com/bicep-tendonitis.html
Hopefully it won’t be that long. I’m afraid of how many blown saves the bullpen might produce if Street is gone for 3+ weeks.
Reading that Street tried to warm up and then shut it down
is a little concerning. I wonder if he has been feeling soreness for a while. Then again I have Frank Francisco on my fantasy team and I think he has been shut down several times this year with the same ailment.
In the postgame, Street said it bothered him Tuesday, too.
He woke up Wed. and it didn’t feel better and he told the staff.
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
Like the Rangers
the Rockies look to go to “Closer by committee”. Which I don’t think is all that bad, if you have a good committee (when the committee is mediocre is when it’s not good). The Rockies now have bullpen depth with Betencourt, Beimel and Morales. All 3 can handle the back end just fine, and 2 of done so for periods in their career.
As for the injury..isn’t this one, that can bounce back as it snaps into place in a couple of days…OR can linger around for months or a career?
I don't want Betancourt in the 9th
I don’t know why, but he has LaTroy Hawkins syndrome, like back in Baltimore – great in the 8th, explodes in the 9th.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 3, 2009 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions
I think you will see a mix and match
as Tracy loves to micro manage. RB is a rhp…the other two lefties.
tell that to houston this year
hawkins did pretty well as the closer
that's great
but not my point
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 3, 2009 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions
I'd just like to point out
that Penny’s first outing with the Giants went:
8.0IP, 2K, 1BB, 0ER
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Remember how awesome Mark Redman was for us in 2007?
Yeah, that was amazing. He just pitched lights out. Totally sustainable too, we weren’t looking at small samples and jumping to hasty conclusions or anything from that.
He doesn't have to sustain it for a long time
just 3 or 4 more starts.
Best outing of the year for Penny…on the road, against a top offense, is still pretty impressive, and worrisome.
then again
Redman shut out the Phillies for 6 scoreless innings of relief in early september 07
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 3, 2009 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions
oh I know
there’s no way he doesn’t regress to mean. It’s just disquieting this late in the season when every game seems to count so much more than back in the day.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 3, 2009 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions
But those innings don't count because he's a raging asshole, right?
I mean, that was the rationale for not bringing the guy in, wasn’t it?
Mark my words – we are going to regret passing on Brad Penny.
Staying on the sunny side of Blake Street since 1993.
The Shawn Chacon Experience - Life as a Rockies fan, one day at a time: Because we're all still recovering from those nine blown saves.
I agree with this in theory
except I’ve read/heard a few casual comments by national commentators that suggested he didn’t want to come here anyway, particularly given the SF opportunity. Thus, regardless of our interest, he wasn’t coming. Now, maybe that’s not true, but it has made me feel better about the situation.
I don't think we are going to regret anything.
Brad Penny caught lightning in a bottle last night. He wont go more than 6 inning again all year, which is something the SF bullpen cannot deal with very often.
I agree w/ Franchise
and many of have been saying this, he doesn’t have to have a good 3 years, he just has to have a good month and be on good behavior for a month. He will have a lot of incentive to do that, and I think he will be valuable down the stretch, much more than Contreras. If he chose not to come here, fine nothing we can do, but if we made no attempt and let him walk over to SF than I think it is a big mistake.
It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.
The NL = weaker league thing is way overblown
but it is sort of amusing when Penny, Smoltz, and Giambi pull off these sorts of debuts.
It’s a good thing Joe Mauer wasn’t traded to the NL. Space and time would collapse in on itself. Whatever that means.
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
OH DEAR GOD TED WILLIAMS IS RISING FROM HIS GRAVE
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 3, 2009 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions
His body, anyway
I think we’d have to send it over to Afghanistan. Zombie jet pilot would be valuable over there.
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
Let's see how long it takes
for hitters to get the book on these pitchers and vice versa. I think there is an unfamiliarity bump for a little while. Considering how the Rox dominated their AL opponents this year, maybe we know something other teams don’t:)
Unfamiliarity?
Both Smoltz and Penny were long time NL pitchers this year. I’d imagine most batters have faced these two pitchers many times before this year.
Let me clarify what I meant by unfamiliarity...
Penny and Smoltz had both somewhat fallen of the radar for NL hitters this year, meaning perhaps they were not being studied as closely anymore. We’ll see as things progress.
Actually, looking at the data it might be a little underblown...
no links/time to back this up, but the numbers are definitely interesting.
Eschew Obfuscation!
League difficulty adjustments are difficult to make, IMO
but if we just want to look at straight numbers (well, advanced numbers), the NL has 6 of the top 10 pitchers in terms of tRA* and pRAA. However, the top batters are split, 5 and 5.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 3, 2009 9:59 PM MDT up reply actions
First we get Russ talking Star Wars
and now we get Italian?
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
What'cha sayin'?
"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln
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Not a Verdi opera fan, I take it.
Actually, I was afraid that if I used the English translation, The Force of Destiny, that Russ would start talking about Star Wars.
That's a bit of a contradiction, Force of Destiny,
in Star Wars.
"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln
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We'll be
multi-lingual in no time…
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
I only speak 2 languages
English and Bad English
name the movie
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 3, 2009 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions
reply fail-ese?
if you're reading this, it means my undying support for your team will result in its failure.
by fantasyfencing on Sep 3, 2009 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions
yeah, if you refresh, the bad one is gonnnnnnnne
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 3, 2009 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions
a luxury only ur bum bums are entitled to :(
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by fantasyfencing on Sep 3, 2009 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Multi-Pass?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 3, 2009 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
leelo dallas
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 3, 2009 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions
that's your.....that's your whole name huh?
Do you have something shorter?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 3, 2009 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions
A while back I was reading an article on why people love science fiction. It contained the line “Did anything in the Fifth Element make sense? No. Did it kick ass? Yes.”
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 3, 2009 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
it is just about my favorite view of the future
all super polluted and commercialized
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 3, 2009 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
meh, I felt like Idiocracy missed its mark
Wall-E was kind of what Idiocracy meant to be
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 3, 2009 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions
How about Bladerunner?
Tough to beat that vision of the future.
(I agree with you on Idiocracy, even though I am a huge Mike Judge fan. Extract this weekend!)
I'd have to re-watch it
but the whole “incredibly sentient cybernetics” thing is almost its own discussion, separate from the “what will the future be like?” discussion
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 3, 2009 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Everyone knows what the future will be like....
It’s made of rainbows and awesomeness, and a glow emanating from the center of the universe. That being 20th and Blake.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
I was talking about just the detailed vision of the future
You really should rewatch it, just make sure it is the director’s cut. The theatrical version sucks something fierce.
Idiocracy did have it's moments
The growing of the family tree in the beginning was awesome. And I really don’t think we’re that far away from having TV show titles similar to “Ow My B***s.”
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 3, 2009 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
The future will be televised
And I really don’t think we’re that far away from having TV show titles similar to "Ow My B***s."
I’d buy that for a dollar.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
I really don’t think we’re that far away from having TV show titles similar to "Ow My B***s."
I say this a lot.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 3, 2009 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions
you say we’re close to having titles like that, or you say “ow my b***s” a lot?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 3, 2009 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
I mean our level of entertainment is getting about there
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 3, 2009 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions
The family tree reminded me of my hometown of Grand Junction
You have 2 options when you graduate highschool
A: Get out of town and go to college.
B: Have babies, lots of them.
When did you graduate? I graduated from GJHS in 95.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 3, 2009 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
de igen!
Ez nagyon jo! Az szep kersz
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 3, 2009 11:01 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
ist das nicht ein Schnitzelbank?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 3, 2009 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
i had bicep tendinitis in high school
and tried to pitch through it. i can’t even throw a fastball anymore without having shooting pains. good to sit him down and give him rest
Popcorn chicken...with club sauce...
In a pitcher, does it tend to affect one end of the muscle more often?
The elbow or the shoulder…or does it affect both?
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
Is Giambi eligible for the post season roster?
ive been busy with work so havent been lurking around here as much. im sure this has been covered and i just missed it.
since he didnt come up till Sept 1, does that mean he is not eligible for our postseason roster?
Maybe
with a chance of yes
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 3, 2009 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions
"yes, he will be ineligable"?
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by fantasyfencing on Sep 3, 2009 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Giambi
will be eligible for the post season roster. BUT…there has to be some one that was on the 25 man roster prior to Sept. 1st that is injured, and can not be put on the post season roster….like say…..Alan Embree.
SO Yes…..Giambi is eligible for the post season rosters.
tyvm
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by fantasyfencing on Sep 3, 2009 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions
anyone catch...
that the rockies had scouts at the braves game when tim hudson was making his debut? i guess they may buy him out for 1 million, and if so i think we’d probably at least take a look. i’d be a little disappointed if we could get hudson for free (assuming he’s healthy and at least 70 percent of his former self) when we had to give up brandon hynick for jose contreras (assuming contreras makes no major improvements
Popcorn chicken...with club sauce...
well let's let him suck before we start regretting it ;-)
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 3, 2009 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions
yeah
i’d be good with contreras proving me and many others wrong.
Popcorn chicken...with club sauce...
But,but...He's Cuban!
That means he has to be good.
Right?
Right?
"There's nothing bad that accrues from baseball." — Bart Giamatti
Isn't it a matter of timing?
They wanted someone for Sept. If they wait for the Hudson buyout, that sounds like a next season thing.
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Correct me if I'm wrong...
but wouldn’t this mean that O’Dowd is being efficient, not inefficient? Maybe I’m just nit-picking.
Meant that to imply he discovered an inefficiency in the market...
as in the overused Moneyball catch phrase. Not that he himself was being inefficient with the market.
Iannetta
has he lost his starting job? Hitting just .178/.302/.378 over the last month. Good for a measly .680 OPS. I know catcher’s have been like the black hole of suck this year offensively but that is back to AAA territory. Thank god Yorvit has caught fire to the tune of .378/.440/.400 for an .840 OPS over the same period. I guess Tracy is going to ride the hot hand for a while here. But don’t get too attached. Yorvit has a .440 BABIP over the last month while Iannetta’s is barely above .200. So expect some regression to the mean.
it would seem like it
wouldn’t be surprised if iannetta was starting today though, as torrealba always used to get the day game starts after night games. i’m fine with yorvit getting most of the calls though, he’s deserved it recently.
Popcorn chicken...with club sauce...
I think Iannetta is getting time off due to his slump
more than losing his job. Makes sense, esp. given that Torrealba is hitting and Iannetta was struggling so much.
Leave Dexter alone! You're lucky he even performs for you!
Iannetta will be the starter next year
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 3, 2009 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions
He better be, and I would love to see McKenry as the backup, but not sure that'll happen
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I must have missed this
What’s the latest on Corpas? Is he done for the season, or still expecting to make a comeback?
Just read one of the Cowboy's comment responses on his page...
Corpas is progressing, but had a setback because of an infection. He’s not expected to throw for a couple more weeks, and would seem to be done for the season.
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Is he also being overlooked as a possible replacement
to allow Giambi? I know he’s gonna be in the postseason or this pick up would not have happened. I feel it could be another alternative.
Corpas, Embree
take your pick. That’s 2 spots…one guy, unless Contreras some how is needed for the post season…and I sure hope he’s not.
youre on to something rg
But apparently o dowd missed an unwanted Jason, who until this year, was a franchises career wins leader. ;-p
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 3, 2009 11:35 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Per Peter Gibbons on the subject of Jason
“I wouldn’t say I’ve been missing it”.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
he also cast off another Jason this year
But I guess since he harvested that same Jason last year, he gets a net even on that Jason in the market
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 3, 2009 12:18 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Latest double from helton matches bambino’s total – The Denver Post
The Babe never played in LOLCORZ….
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ON THE MOON!!!
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