Sunday Rockpile: Is Troy Tulowitzki the MLB's best young player? Plus a lengthy discourse on the Dodgers lack of depth
I'm guessing that the age cutoff for this John Thomase Boston Herald article is 25 and younger, which leaves you a handful of players that could make the claim of best player (Thomase also mentions Justin Upton, Evan Longoria and Matt Wieters) and Tulo is certainly one of them. Personally, I think until he actually puts up the kind of full season that Thomase envisions in this article, then the title would have to go to his former CSULB teammate, Longoria. I generally do think that Tulowitzki gets a little underrated by the national media, but articles like this would swing the pendulum the other direction.
Apparently Dan Szymborski's ZiPS projection system isn't aware that the divorce of Dodgers owners Frank and Jamey McCourt will rip the team apart, as it generated some pretty daunting 2010 numbers that the Rockies and other NL West teams will have to overcome. This outside perspective that has the Dodgers as the team to beat still in the NL West is probably a good balance to our purple tinted view.
Alright. Enough of that, back to the purple tinted glasses. There are a few reasons I'm confident that the Rockies will be able to finish ahead of the Dodgers for just the second time in franchise history in 2010, and I'll use these ZiPS projections as a starting point:
Manny Ramirez.
I don't know if it's getting off the juice or just age, but I really think he's on a faster downward slope than most of the projection systems seem to be seeing. I believe his 2010 would look something akin to what would happen if we stuck Todd Helton in the outfield. He'll still be a somewhat valuable hitter and get on base at a very good clip, but I think the power projections for him are too high at this point, and with his defense, he could actually wind up being a net negative. ZiPS sees him as LA's best hitter in 2010, I think that title's going to go to Ethier or Kemp (who definitely should have been mentioned as a possibility in Thomase's Tulo piece above, btw).
Depth.
When Dan Szymborski says:
While the Phillies are possibly the most dangerous team in the NL with their front-line talent, I think the Dodgers are the superior team over the season itself, thanks to better depth.
I'm having a really difficult time seeing what he means outside the infield and bullpen.
Because of what I see as a big dropoff to bench/reserve quality, there seems to be a higher than usual amount of players that the Dodgers simply can't afford to lose for any extended period of time next season. Last season Juan Pierre was able to step in for Manny and the team hardly lost a step. Xavier Paul and Jason Repko just aren't as decent a quality of player, meaning any starting outfield time lost now is likely to be a very big deal for LA.
The infield with the versatility of Jamey Carroll and Blake DeWitt is in much better shape, but the Dodgers still don't have a contender quality backup for Russell Martin and seem to be buying too much into AJ Ellis' Albuquerque inflated OBP. Any significant injury to one of the front three starters in the rotation could be a playoff killer as well. At the moment, the same can't be said of the two starters TBD at the bottom of the Dodgers rotation, but just remember that it's Russ Ortiz that's looming as their safety net.
Compare that situation to the Rockies. Because of Colorado's actual OF depth, Seth Smith and Ryan Spilborghs are far better options than Paul/Repko, so there's not a lot of drop-off losing a starter at any of those three positions. Tulo's crucial, but so long as the Rockies get a decent quality reserve (Tatis would be fine) for the corners, he would be the only position player which the team simply can't afford to lose.
For pitching, I think only Ubaldo Jimenez, and depending on your idea of how fungible the talent in the bullpen is, perhaps Huston Street would be irreplaceable. In stat terms, that's two of 13 starting players (stats won't ever say that Street qualifies, they don't like relievers) on the Rockies that would cost the team 2 wins or more if they missed a third of the season or more. If I'm correct, the Dodgers have at least seven, this to me is a major risk issue, and one can look at the 2009 Mets and D-backs as cautionary tales of what happens when a quality team has insufficient replacements.
Actually, take a look at this list of every 2009 NL club and you'll notice that what largely separated contenders from pretenders last season was either fortunate health or the ability to replace missing or just otherwise under-performing parts. I'll just list the 2009 projected starter's career ERA+ or OPS+ (what their team was probably expecting) and their replacements 2009 figures.
NL West
Los Angeles: Manny Ramirez (155) to Juan Pierre (105); Hiroki Kuroda (109) to Jeff Weaver (108)/Eric Milton (104)
Colorado: Garrett Atkins (102) to Ian Stewart (98); Chris Iannetta (103) to Yorvit Torrealba (87, but with panache)
San Francisco: Randy Johnson (136) to Ryan Sadowski (98)/Brad Penny (168)
Arizona: Brandon Webb (142) - Yusmeiro Petit (79), et al.; Conor Jackson - Chad Tracy
NL Central
St. Louis: Khalil Greene (94) to Brendan Ryan (96); Todd Wellemeyer (91) to John Smoltz (96); Kyle Lohse (96) - Mitch Boggs (98)
Chicago: Aramis Ramirez (114) to Mike Fontenot (72)/Jake Fox (101); Geovany Soto (104) to Koyie Hill (64)
Milwaukee: Rickie Weeks (100) to Felipe Lopez (129); Milwaukee's rotation is an interesting example too about how a lack of depth can tie a team's hands with under-performing players. The Brewers failed in 2009 in part because there was no pitching flexibility. Here it wasn't a case of inadequate replacements, it was a case of no replacements.
NL East
Philadelphia: Brett Myers (99) to J.A. Happ (145)
Florida: Cameron Maybin (89) to Chris Coghlan (122). It was actually Maybin to Cody Ross in center, Ross to Jeremy Hermida in right and Hermida to Coghlan in left, but the upshot was to put the better offensive player in the Florida lineup.
Atlanta: Jo-Jo Reyes (70) to Tommy Hanson (142); Casey Kotchman (95) to Adam LaRoche (152); Kelly Johnson (103) to Martin Prado (117); Jordan Schafer (62) to Nate McLouth (105); Jeff Francouer (92) to Ryan Church (99); Garrett Anderson (104) to Matt Diaz (133).
New York: Jose Reyes (101) to Alex Cora (69); Carlos Beltran (119) to Angel Pagan (121 - yeah, this one kind of surprised me); Gary Sheffield (140) to Cory Sullivan(92)/Daniel Murphy(95); Carlos Delgado (138) to Murphy(95); Oliver Perez to Tim Redding; Livan Hernandez.
The contrast between Atlanta and New York is pretty telling here, both teams had a lot of turnover, but while the Braves were able to upgrade nearly every position during the course of the season, few of the Mets moves worked out.
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Okay. Uhm, that's it for the NL, right? For some reason I was thinking the Central was bigger than that (actually, depth woes worked against Cincinnati in 2009 as well, they were a hot pick to contend during the preseason last year but had few contingency plans in case of disappointment).
At any rate, my main point is that right now I see the Dodgers as a good, but fairly delicate team. It's a situation that reminds me of the D-backs over the last couple of seasons. If both teams have good health in 2010, LA's pretty much as good as the Rockies on paper. As you can see, some projections see them as better. If both teams have injury troubles, I like the Rockies chances a lot better.
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As much
furor as the catcher wars and the clamor for a backup has had around here, it’s interesting to look at the Dodgers catching situation. Martin and Iannetta had pretty similar years from a WAR perspective last year, with both of them regressing fairly significantly from the prior year. wOBA likes Martin even less though, with CDI coming in a .346 and Martin at .307. I would expect both of them to have a little bounce back this year, I’m much happier with the Rox situation with Iannetta having significantly more power, while they will probably end up with similar IsoD’s.
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If Tulo can recreate those last four months...
of 2009 into the six months of the 2010 regular season, he will be the NL MVP. Book it.
hellyeah hence the sig
TULO = 2010 MVP!
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by TuLoRocks2008 on Jan 17, 2010 11:24 AM MST up reply actions
LAD will be fine
Manny will be MAnny…..
our starting OF is much better than the Rocks starting OF….no question. Your bend is more solid…sure. But you are counting on Manny falling off a cliff like he did last year after 1. reporting to ST late after signing late, and 2, missing 50 games in the middle of the season. He will be fine.
Should LAD sign Joel Pineiro, and some seem to think they will (Olney), the rotation will be fine. He’s a perfect 4, and LAD can put Elbert of McD at the 5 to start the season.
Your article asumes that Ned is done signing bench players. I have a feeling he will sign another bench player in the OF on the cheap.
All is fine in LA. McCourt is not breaking up the team. They are focused on signing Brox, Ethier and Loney to 2 year deals, then will focus on Pineiro or Padilla.
Olney does think the Rockies are better on paper, Keith Law say LA is the team to beat, As does Neyer. All is good at Chavez Ravine.
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Well, he *is* still trying to have a child....
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by Mondogarage on Jan 17, 2010 11:51 AM MST up reply actions
I doubt it
he will be fine. Torre and MAttingley saw a flaw in his approach last year.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 17, 2010 12:10 PM MST up reply actions
this still seems a little weak to me
Expecting this mystery flaw to override age might be expecting to much. Coaches find flaws in every batter’s swing that regressed the previous year. That doesn’t mean it will be fixed and back to the glory days.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 17, 2010 12:15 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Manny
he’s one of the best RH hitters ever. I trust if they see a flaw, he can correct it. Same can be said about Helton, no?
age has nothing to do with him not being able to correct a flaw.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 17, 2010 12:17 PM MST up reply actions
Mystery flaw = a career-long reliance on roids? Just throwing it out there...
Sorry Ray, I have no issue with you at all but filthy self-enriching cheats like Ramirez make me very angry indeed.
Steroids
was part of the game….I just live with it….why make an issue about it when most were doing it
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 17, 2010 8:46 PM MST up reply actions
steroids
don’t you think that more people were using that have been caught. There are about 104 names of players who tested positive for steroids that hopefully one day is opened for all to know.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 18, 2010 11:19 AM MST up reply actions
I think more more people were doing it but I also believe in innocent until proven guilty
Were there more people who were doing it? Of course. But all we can do is punish those who were caught.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 19, 2010 1:15 PM MST up reply actions
I think Ramirez will still be a productive hitter
like Helton. But like I’m saying in this post, like Helton, I think the days of Ramirez showing prodigious power are pretty much past.
he’s one of the best RH hitters OF THE STEROID ERA.
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by pedalpusher on Jan 17, 2010 12:53 PM MST up reply actions
any Rockies fans ever wonder
what happened to Helton’s power after they started testing? yeah, me too.
btw-no one knows how much steroids helps a hitter, do they?
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 17, 2010 8:19 PM MST up reply actions
While I refuse to rule out the possibility that Helton took steroids like several Rockies fans do...
… it is also important to realize that in Helton’s case, his power loss also coincided with the installation of the humidor, and the slow onset of a degenerative back condition that Helton didn’t fix until it had bubbled into something serious. His power decline could be attributed to any combination of any three of these things, as well as general aging. Point being, there are a lot of things to “wonder about” with Helton than just the steroid issue.
by Greg Stanwood on Jan 17, 2010 8:24 PM MST up reply actions
nope you insulted my player even though he's been caught so your guy did roids too
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 18, 2010 6:54 AM MST up reply actions
Why couldn't he just say CORZ..
like every other nutjob out there.
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The same thing happened to Don Mattingly..
when baseball started drug testing in 1988. Oh wait, that was from a back injury like the injury Helton had in ’04.
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I'm just amazed at your second question. You can't be serious can you?
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has there been
any studies published to say for sure that steroids improve a batter’s ability to hit? Manny Alexander and Paul Loduca come to mind….sure your have McGwire, et al, but how about the other guys you don’t hear about?
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 19, 2010 7:03 PM MST up reply actions
This flaw being he was caught
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He may have a decent year but...
if he gets caught juicing again he’ll be out for, what, 100 games? So I’m betting he won’t chance it. I don’t know if he has the work ethic to be great again without cheating. I must say, LA does have a good young core of players…but Manny isn’t one of them. I know Helton has an incredible work ethic. He’s lost power over the years but he’s still dangerous. Manny lost his power in one year…post steroids. That’s what makes him suspect. Your comments are well thought out and logical….the question is the steroids.
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he’’s like 37-38 so he is not yiung, you are right.
Manny’s work ethic is similar to Heton’s.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 17, 2010 8:21 PM MST up reply actions
Stephen A. Smith doesn’t think Manny has a good work ethic, and neither did the Dodgers last year.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 18, 2010 6:58 AM MST up reply actions
I think Todd would be very insulted
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 19, 2010 1:17 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah...a little bit...good call...and rec'd
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You're bein overly optimistic with Manny
It could very well be that the PED he was talking was the reason he was able to play so well. Players at his age shouldn’t magically improve…he’s still a great hitter, but I sincerely doubt he’ll return to 2008 form.
Also, you have NO rotation depth. That was a big concern last year, but it’s actually managed to bigger. If Kershaw gets injured…….bye bye. And plus, I wonder if Pineiro’s resurgence had just as much to do with Dave Duncan as it did that he ‘figured it out.’ And even moreso, I wonder with this ‘Dodgers Divorce’ that’s goin’ down if McCourt is gonna open his wallet for most likely a VERY expensive deal.
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by Hollidayrain on Jan 17, 2010 12:12 PM MST up reply actions
Pineiro
his price has come way down….no way he gets 3 years for 30 million.
NO rotation depth? They have Haeger, Elbert, McD for the 5th spot….that’s not depth?
Re:Kershaw-you can say that about aklot of teams, no?
I don’t expect a 2008 season, just an average Mann season.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 17, 2010 12:16 PM MST up reply actions
unproven depth is not something you can really count on
None of those three have had success as a starter for significant time. The Rockies have Esmil Rogers, Jhoulys Chacin and Sam Deduno as depth for the fifth spot, but I don’t suppose you are worried about them…
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 17, 2010 12:22 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
not worried
about Francis either. he’s been injruy prone and no one knows how he will pitch this year.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 17, 2010 8:22 PM MST up reply actions
A knuckballer, a completely unproven guy in Elbert, and a guy who was bumped from the rotation last year
is depth? You’re kidding yourself.
You could say that about a lot of teams, including the Rockies, but he’s the only thing that resembles an ace in your rotation and he’s entering his first season in which he’ll have pressure to get to 200+ innings. Your big innings eater last year is a Brewer, and someone’s gonna have to pick up the slack. Last year your bullpen CARRIED your team, you think they can pick up that many innings again? In a season in which the Diamondbacks, Giants and Rockies all are legitimate contenders, those are awfully big questions to simply answer: ’we’ll be fine, trust me.’
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by Hollidayrain on Jan 17, 2010 12:38 PM MST up reply actions
hello
if they were Rockies, you would be praising them because they are young….and they are young, so what else would you expect? not all pitchers are like Kershaw and Billz.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 17, 2010 8:23 PM MST up reply actions
It's called pitch count
See: Cole Hamels.
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by Hollidayrain on Jan 18, 2010 1:03 AM MST up reply actions
bullpen
I wil take the LAD bullpen over the rest of the West….that is one of their strengths
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 17, 2010 8:24 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed
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by Hollidayrain on Jan 18, 2010 1:04 AM MST up reply actions
Feel free to see what Joe Torre did to his bullpen's in NY
If Troncoso and Belisario even come close to repeating, I will eat RMN’s hat.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 18, 2010 6:59 AM MST up reply actions
I forgot about the nacho hat
I forget how many hats I have to eat anymore
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 18, 2010 12:18 PM MST up reply actions
I think the problem with the rotation depth is that you're already counting on one of those players
or perhaps a combination of them to take on one full time starter’s slot already, meaning that it’s less likely that whoever loses out in that competition will be of a high enough caliber to help your team out should another starter go down. If your system’s deep with pitching prospects, I have no problem relying on them to fill one slot, be it a slot in the rotation or as the emergency backup in AAA. I do have a hard time believing that even deep systems can fill two such slots in a season. Right now, before signing Pineiro or anybody else, the Dodgers are counting on their prospects to fill three or more of these slots (starter #4, starter #5, and starter #6) whereas the Rockies are looking to fill just one (starter #6).
The more of these slots you have filled with unproven commodities, the bigger the drop-off in production you can expect when one of the other starters goes down, so even by signing Pineiro, you’ve only partly addressed the situation and it would still hold true that should any of your first three starters get injured, the Dodgers season would be in serious jeopardy. Whereas I think the Rockies are in much better shape relying on just one of their unproven prospects should a starter get injured.
Dodgers '10 = Rockies '08
Remember when the Rockies were hoping Ubaldo, Franklin, Reynolds would step in and drive Colorado to the playoffs?
Juan Pierre is a bigger loss than the Dodgers think, he provided substitution to reduce the Manny-moments and provide a spark on the basepaths. Although I’m afraid Matt Kemp’s comet is about to take off, and will replace some of Pierre’s lost value.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 19, 2010 1:24 PM MST up reply actions
Dodgers 2010
rotation issues are the same as 2009. they needed two starters and they found them….they will be fine.
and you can say that about any team. If Ubaldo goes down, I don;t see you replacing him with Friedrich or Chacin
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 17, 2010 8:28 PM MST up reply actions
Why can't we find an extra starter?
Only the Dodgers are allowed to?? I’m sure O’Dowd will sign a cheap, veteran starting pitcher for depth in the next month. LA isn’t the only one that can do that.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 17, 2010 9:09 PM MST up reply actions
I was sort of waiting for you to respond with that, I was actually kind of surprised it wasn't in your initial reply.
There seems to be a pattern to your Dodgers defense that involves a lot of deflection and rational that uses semi-relevant to totally irrelevant points. We say something about Ramirez and you 1) bring up the suspension and ST as culprit, 2) attack Todd Helton and 3) say he will be fine, he will be fine, he will be fine. Like it’s a mantra that keeps the evil of disbelief out of night.
We say something about the lack of the Dodgers starting depth and you 1) throw out pitchers that had a combined 100 MLB IP in 2009 as the salvation, 2) attack Jeff Francis and 3) say the same issue affects every team again and again without ever once seeming to realize or at least acknowledge that you realize that it doesn’t affect every team to the same degree, which was sort of my main point. You point to 2009 as though it’s a foolproof argument. Maybe I won at a slot machine in 2009, maybe I will in 2010, but if an unlikely occurrence happens once, that doesn’t suddenly mean it will happen every time.
Diamondbacks fans bring up the Dodgers financial woes and you 1) defend it by saying everything will be fine, just wait, 2) attack everything under that burning Arizona sun from Eric Byrnes to Carlos Quentin to Conor Jackson and 3) yeah bring up your 2009 starting rotation performance as an easily repeatable phenomenon.
So, I don’t know where I’m really going with this other than to say you might want to vary your response methodology a bit. I mean I understand the protective urge to defend your team’s players, I certainly get that when you do your deflection thing onto Francis and Helton (as you can see, other Rockies fans do as well) and I’m sure Arizona fans get it when you get your attack claws out on their guys, so I can see why when I say that Manny’s on his decline or Ethier’s overrated that you want to make a case otherwise, but I don’t know if you actually accomplish much in the line of convincing anybody when you go about it this way.
Telling us that you see Francis as a health risk doesn’t say a thing about the Dodgers pitching depth. Telling us that Helton’s power has faded and implying it was because he was on the ‘roids doesn’t bring any enlightenment whatsoever into the issue of whether Manny’s declining or not. Telling me that the Rockies can’t replace Ubaldo Jimenez besides sounding vaguely familiar (maybe because I said that in this very post) doesn’t suddenly give the Dodgers the better or even an equal footing when it comes to which team has the lower risk when it comes to starters.
You also seem to be under the impression that every fan everywhere has the same blinders for their team that you do for the Dodgers, so much so that it doesn’t seem to register (such as when I mentioned Jimenez being a potential catastrophic risk in the main post) when we don’t. Another example would be last week when you thought I hadn’t even considered that 2009 could be Tulo’s career year when I claimed it was likely Ethier’s. Above you seem to think your statements about Francis’ health being sketchy or the timing of Helton’s power decline as revelatory, and I think you’re hoping to rattle us with it somehow, but we’ve discussed these things at length here already.
We know our team’s weaknesses, inside and out, do you? Can you actually look at the Dodgers and say “yeah, we’re vulnerable here?”. It shouldn’t be equated with an admission that your team is actually bad or anything, I mean, certain Astros fans probably need to admit that their team’s bad, but an honest assessment of the Dodgers still leaves them in solid contention at or near the top of the NL West (on this blog, we’d put you in second). However, if you try and paint your too perfect picture and do that sensitive deflection thing when we hit a raw nerve and it makes the rest of us suspicious that you’re hiding some really large cracks rather than just the small ones that we see.
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by Hollidayrain on Jan 18, 2010 1:06 AM MST up reply actions
is that
what the Dodgers did to the Rockies last year? 14-4…sorry couldn;‘t resist.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 18, 2010 11:15 AM MST up reply actions

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 19, 2010 1:33 PM MST up reply actions
meh...he doesn't deserve your sad face.....
maybe a punch though…:P
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it's losing its effect
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 20, 2010 9:42 AM MST up reply actions

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 10:50 AM MST up reply actions
it still works on me :)
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
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just suggesting that you save it for things that actually need the super sad face
you’ll notice that I save most of my awesome pictures so when they’re busted out they have the maximum effect
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 20, 2010 12:42 PM MST up reply actions
is there a super mad or annoyed face ?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 10:49 AM MST up reply actions
bravo
Baltimore: A horseshit city
by BringBackBenitoSantiago on Jan 18, 2010 1:14 AM MST up reply actions
I'm an optimist
whether that is good or bad…..who’s to say.
I am amazed at the time and effort you took to dissect every post I have made here at the DBacks site….bravo.
I just think that too much is made about rotation issues at the 4 and 5 when spring training has not started yet, and we do have capable young arms who can fill the 5 spot. I mean, did anyone imagine Randy Wolf pitching like he did last year? Or Kershaw? no, I didn’t, but they both pitched very well.
Some of your claims are absolutely spot on, but to say that the Dodgers are toast if Kershaw gets hurt is pretty obvious.
I am voicing my opinion because I think TOO much is being made of the Dodgers not spending money this offseason. I ask why should they have spend money on the available free agents? Their lineup is set, their bullpen is set. Their rotation needs help, but there are a few guys available in free agency and the roster that can fill the 4 and 5 spot that I mentioned previously.
Sure 2B is a questionmark, but it is not a position that is going to kill the Dodgers season if they don’t get more production. I think the Dewitt/Carroll platoon can work fine….maybe they won’t be as good defensively as Hudson, but they should be average at the plate.
Your commentary about depth is spot on, but when you compare it to the Dodgers bench last year, where with the exception of Pierre, the Dodgers got nothing from the likes of Loretta, Ausmus, and Castro. So there is room for improvement. I look through blue colored glasses just like Rockies fans look through purple colored glasses.
Re: Manny. People forget that he also played with a hand injury last season that could have cost him some power. He was hit on the hand by a pitch soon after returning from his suspension. Do I know for sure it affected him, no. Do I have suspicion that it did…yes. Manny signed his contract with LA in early March last year….spring training had already begun by then. So he was behind in his preparation, don’t you think?
Finally, I don’t read every single post on your site. I don’t have the time honestly, so I do miss any commentary that you post that is negative toward the Rockies players.
If you don’t want me commenting on the site, let me know. I will be fine with it. I am just offering a differing opinion…that is all.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 18, 2010 11:13 AM MST up reply actions
Why do people, when presented with a vociferous but well phrased counterargument
always land on “if you don’t want me posting here I’ll go”
If you’re going to offer a differing opinion, we’re going to engage it. Would you prefer we all just said “oh ok” and then ignored you? Why else would you have made the effort to voice your differing opinions?
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 18, 2010 11:19 AM MST up reply actions
maybe
because I wasn’t expecting a comment, whose length rivals that of a blog post, to counter some of my comments. And the fact that my comments on another blog come up really shouldn’t have anything to do with my comments here. She used them to make a point, but why? Was it needed?
And why are my comments about the Rockies “a deflection thing”?
And my “attack claws”?? where did that come from? who was attacking who in that lengthy post? Rox Girl appears to not like differing views.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 18, 2010 6:55 PM MST up reply actions
It's not like PR is going to ban you..
then tell you to go die in a balloon fire.
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you were deflecting a pile
we said “Manny dropped off” and your response was “well back in 2005 Helton dropped off”
uh ok
we appreciate differing views, but when we say “dude your guy was on steroids and now he’s off and he’s probably gonna fall apart” and your response is “whatever he’s fine now how bout that Helton huh he did roids I bet” it isn’t really continuing the conversation, it’s trying to shift it onto something else.
oh, and as for the WALL OF TEXT, that’s just kind of Rox Girl’s way. Don’t take that personally, it’s just how she rolls. I’ve gotten the wall of text as well.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 18, 2010 10:46 PM MST up reply actions
I've got to say that your excuses for Manny ring hollow,
particularly the assumption that reporting to ST late is what hurt him given the way he started the season and given showing up late in the Spring has pretty much been his MO throughout his career and it never seemed to bother him before.
He definitely didn’t come back from the suspension fine, so I’m wondering on what authority you say he’s fine now. Is it just a hunch or are those your blue tinted glasses talking? I don’t know if anybody’s seen him since the end of last season when he was on that downward slope.
It’s actually a pretty big question. If he is going through his career decline, and eventually every player does, than all of these projections that see him as just as productive as ever are going to be off on the high side. What’s more, the age issue seems to be catching up with his health, particularly his legs/hamstrings which means there will likely be more of the Paul/Repko duo and suddenly your lineup doesn’t look quite as formidable.
I also think you’re probably underestimating the Rockies OF, which isn’t surprising since I think most people do. The difference in 2009 between the production from your unit and our’s wasn’t that much, and in part because of our depth, it’s likely to be even closer in 2010. If Ramirez crashes we could move ahead of you.
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Depth cannot he ignored when there are aging starters. That’s why hawpe better be able to play first.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 17, 2010 12:29 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Manny
is in his walk year…maybe age catches up to him, and it showed last year. But, I would still want his bat in the lineup. Hank Aaron hit 40 HRs as a 39 year old….not saying Manny will, but some players age slower than others.
I am confident Manny will be fine at the plate….could be wrong….but it is not a worry for me. Its not like he will hit .250 this year…..
He will be playing for a DH contract in the AL next year….
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 17, 2010 8:32 PM MST up reply actions
nobody's saying he won't be effective this season
just that he won’t be anywhere near a 1.000 OPS threat, so the SuperBat in LF will be a VeryGoodBat instead
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 18, 2010 7:05 AM MST up reply actions
hopefully
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 18, 2010 11:16 AM MST up reply actions
I agree on that DH part though
most GMs are wising up to a balanced offensive/defensive game anymore.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 18, 2010 11:19 AM MST up reply actions
I detect a hidden note of panic here.
The interwebz are toneless, but I can easily imagine this poster saying this while sweating, breathing hard, and crossing himself.
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by squalene203 on Jan 17, 2010 12:36 PM MST up reply actions
hahaha truth
"CarGo had to make some repairs to it. They called it a kitchen accident, but he was performing surgery. On teh lazor."
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by Hollidayrain on Jan 17, 2010 12:39 PM MST up reply actions
why? because he said everything will be fine at least five times
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 17, 2010 12:45 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
speaking of depth
where would the Dodgers have been last year without Juan Pierre. We’ll find out in 2010.
Isn't that what the crew told the passengers of the Titanic about ten minutes after they hit the iceburg
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 19, 2010 1:36 PM MST up reply actions
that WAS funny
not even close
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 17, 2010 8:32 PM MST up reply actions
It was close, but Rowbot Radio won the poll, and will be the official name of the Podcast.
Some people felt that there should be a runoff between the two highest scorers, but I feel that would be drawing out the process for too long.
The tentative plan is to have the first Rowbot Radio up and running on February 1st. I’ll keep everyone informed if there are changes.
by Greg Stanwood on Jan 17, 2010 1:50 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
yay!
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Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
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Can't wait to listen
on my new Zune HD :) .
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Assuming we get the RSS feed stuff worked out, that shouldn't be a problem.
A bit of testing has to be done before we know porting to mobile devices works correctly. If we have problems with it, it may have to start off as accessible only via direct download on the blog. But I don’t necessarily foresee that happening. Again, I’ll keep everyone informed.
by Greg Stanwood on Jan 17, 2010 2:58 PM MST up reply actions
Eh, even if the feed doesn't work,
I’d just download the file and put it on there. Unless it’ll be in a crazy format or something?
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Oh, cool :)
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ohh I thought we were doing this thing in Ogg Vorbis
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 17, 2010 5:48 PM MST up reply actions
badass!
I’m REALLY looking forward to this :D.
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by Hollidayrain on Jan 17, 2010 4:22 PM MST up reply actions
Looks like the Hairstons are going to be teammates this year.
Jerry Hairston Jr. close to a deal with the Padres. Seems San Diego can’t play without at least one set of brothers on their team.
haha maybe they should change their name to the Hermanos
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by Hollidayrain on Jan 17, 2010 6:08 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
they do have a penchant for brothers..
Hairstons
Gileses?
Gonzalezes?
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Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
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Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
San Diegans are going to need something
to salve their wounds , now that the Chokers have choked yet again :)
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There’s a rich irony to Broncos fans calling the Chargers “chokers.” REALLY rich.
(And I don’t even know if you’re a Bronco fan or not, but I’ve noticed the explosion of such comments on my Bronco-fan heavy Facebook live feed, and it just cracks me up. So this is just a general observation.)
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Haha!
Very good point.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 17, 2010 6:20 PM MST up reply actions
It takes chokers to know chokers...
And I am indeed a Bronco fan…and don’t find it ironic at all…..
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Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
You just can't call the Chargers chokers when
The Broncos have choked in two consecutive seasons.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 17, 2010 6:38 PM MST up reply actions
I dunno
Chargers are 3-5 in the playoffs over the last seven seasons.
Who’s the bigger choker?
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Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
Because Denver is 0-2 in the last 7 playoff seasons...
I’m glad that the Jets took Denver’s place in the playoff bracket and used it to beat the Chargers. I’m jumping on the JEts bandwagon. Plus Mark Sanchez is on my keeper league FF team.
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huh?
I’m talking about Chargers choking in an unbelievable amount of playoff games after basically being annointed and self annointing as the next SB Champs for basically 5 years…that seems worse to me.
And why is it hypocritical of me to point this out…that’s weird to me. I fully admit the Broncos have sucked…whats the dealio?
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Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
I think SD has benefitted from a soft AFC West..
as sad as it makes me to say that.
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exactly....
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Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
Soft AFC West
Shocker…the Broncos were vastly overrated by their lucky start, KC and Oakland were terrible…a “soft AFT West” is not a bold statement.
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But it's an awful nickname.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 17, 2010 8:33 PM MST up reply actions
KC can stick it where there Sun won't Shine...

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And being that I live in San Diego
I can say this with no problem :)
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Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
Agreed
Broncos fans don’t have much room to talk (last year blowing a 3-game lead with 3 games left!!) but Broncos fans can quietly enjoy watching Phillipe Rivers and his team walk off in defeat.
J-E-T-S, Jets, Jets, Jets!
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Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
Don't get me wrong I absolutely love the Rox.
Can’t stand the Broncos though :P But I like the Nuggets.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 17, 2010 9:11 PM MST up reply actions
Phillip Rivers sad makes me happy.
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by Hollidayrain on Jan 18, 2010 1:09 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
i missed the game
But it is interesting to me, as a born hawkeye, to see two Iowa guys so instrumental in the result, two hits I hoped the Donkeys would draft. Nate Kaeding irrefutably choked after a fantastic season and career, and Shonn Greene had a huge TD run.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 18, 2010 7:08 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I agree
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 18, 2010 7:06 AM MST up reply actions
yep, no argument from me there, either.
A Kemp/Cargo/Fowler/Smith outfield would probably draw anti-trust scrutiny from the government, though, so we should be careful.
every time I play a baseball game with a fantasy draft, I always land HanRam and Kemp.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 18, 2010 10:19 AM MST up reply actions
Last year I got really lucky and had HanRam and Tulo
I had HanRam at the start of the season and then when Tulo had that terrible start I scooped him up after someone else cut him.
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