Wednesday Rockpile: Rockies avoid arbitration with everybody; Dexter Fowler switches to Boras
Sometimes I think that certain baseball writers forget that mathematics is just one scientific discipline out of many, and it's not the only one that applies to the sport. It leads to the conclusion that teams overvalue relief pitchers in general and closers in particular, as Dave Cameron again reiterated on FanGraphs yesterday just before the Huston Street and Rafael Betancourt deals were announced. I think one of the other fields of study that applies here and that isn't given enough credit is behavioral science. Here, see if you can follow this logic:
#1 It sucks to watch your team lose.
#2 It sucks more to watch them lose games that they have a late lead than it does to watch them lose games the opposing team had control of from the start.
#3 It sucks even more if your closer does #2 on you repeatedly.
And yeah, I'm not sure if I wanted to go there on Puritan Purple Row, but I think my point is that even though they count the same in the standings, fans tend to take heart-breaking losses late worse than they do other losses, and I would argue that these losses have a larger impact on the future box office for a team, therefore making high leverage relievers (be they closers or set-up men) more valuable in real terms than the other pitchers in the bullpen. We're programmed like any other animal to shy away from pain, and will avoid going to places we know where pain occurs frequently, even if something we like (in this case wins) can also be obtained there. Winnie the Pooh will be more careful in his pursuit of honey if he knows he's going to get stung and would much rather sneak it from Rabbit than directly from the beehive.
In small doses, we can blot these games out of our memories (for some reason, I only remember the first two games in the NLDS, for instance). In large doses, they drive fans away in droves. I'm going to hypothesize that it's probably not a complete coincidence that none of the 11 teams (a list that includes 2009 contenders such as the Giants, Cardinals and Tigers as well as also-rans) with a negative reliever WPA in 2008 saw an attendance increase in 2009. Of the teams that were in the negatives in this category in 2007, only Tampa Bay, which went on to their first winning season as a franchise, the AL East title and the pennant, saw an increase in attendance in 2008.
Having lived through the Rockies experiment with Shawn Chacon as closer in 2004, I would argue that even for non-contending teams, the box office value of a reliable ninth inning reliever is high enough to put a premium over their expected WAR contribution (at least as far as FanGraphs calculates reliever WAR). I'd imagine that Cameron's counterpoint (and it's a valid one) might be that even if the relative value to a team is high, the cost of replacing a late inning reliever is relatively low, as they actually aren't that much more skilled than other members in the 'pen, so why would a smart team pay more? I think the answer to this is for the same reason that a smart person would take out an insurance policy on a new boat or your house, for that matter.
I used to believe, as many do, that teams pay more for the closer label than the closer skill. I believe now that what teams are actually trying to pay for is risk mitigation in situations where larger amounts of money are on the line than normal. Some teams are more successful at identifying real value in risk management than others. In signing Huston Street and Rafael Betancourt to multi-year deals yesterday, the Rockies got a pair of high leverage insurance policies for at least the next two seasons, seasons when the team very much should be in the thick of competition.
I do want to add before going on that all my evidence here is pretty anecdotal and much more rigorous study is needed, so Cameron and others who espouse the idea that closers are overvalued by the market could very well still be correct. It's my suspicion, though, given that closers have been paid at this sort of premium for at least three decades now, that they aren't, that there's something other than an overinflated bubble keeping their salaries afloat. I think it's that teams have learned that there's a real monetary payout for successfully identifying solid, consistent, late inning relievers.
Other links/notes after the jump:
- Besides Street and Betancourt, the Rockies also agreed to terms with Jason Hammel.
- Dexter Fowler got a new agent.
This sets up an interesting scenario in a few seasons where the Rockies will likely need/want to deal with Scott Boras for a long term contract for either Fowler or Carlos Gonzalez, but will likely have to let the other player walk. What should we do as Rockies fans besides pray that Delta Cleary develops into his potential? For one thing, don't expect Fowler or Gonzalez to sign arbitration buyout deals similar to those signed by Ubaldo Jiminez, Troy Tulowitzki or Chris Iannetta.
That said, I don't know if I'd rule out the Rockies being able to retain one or the other of Fowler or Gonzalez after they hit FA just yet. I'm going to hope that the Rockies are able to keep Tulo long term, and were that the case, at that time he'd have one Heltonesque franchise type of contract with the team. As a team, with careful planning and decent player development (and some contending seasons between now and then to build the fanbase/payroll would help as well) they could probably afford one more, and I'd hope it would go to another up the middle All-Star level player or a staff ace. Internally, that would likely mean one of Ubaldo Jimenez, Fowler or Gonzalez. I don't know, maybe I'm just exercising some wishful thinking here, but there are a few seasons before we have to really worry about it.
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I've said it here before, and I haven't really seen any disagreement in the comments, so I think most everybody here must be with me on this, but I believe that the Diamondbacks are building their team like they feel they're in a must-win sort of situation for 2010.
This article does nothing to dissuade me from that opinion. Here are the words from Managing General Partner Ken Kendrick:
"We decided," he said, "that we needed to look at the team in the following way: If we got the right team together at reasonable dollars that the results on the field would hopefully generate better attendance and add to revenues.
"If they don't play well, we absolutely will have a loss. But we're willing to take that risk. We're not about making money. We're about winning and trying to avoid significant losses. That's been our M.O. from the beginning."
Just above I was talking about how behavioral science has applications to the baseball world. There are multiple signs that the D-backs are in some sort of financial bind here beyond what Kendrick is saying on the surface. Start with the end of that first quoted paragraph, that the "results on the field would hopefully generate better attendance and add to revenues."
What this suggests to me is that Kendrick and the Diamondbacks are doing here is little different than what gamblers do when they've exhausted their available capital and approaching the line where they will dip into credit. It's what many struggling companies do in the same situation. It's a hockey team pulling the goalie at the end of a game they're trailing.
It would be one thing if the D-backs were doing this after a playoff appearance or at least a near playoff appearance in 2009, but this was a team, that though better than their record, won just 70 games last year. I believe a smart FO just wouldn't go into payroll debt after that kind of performance unless they're really thinking that they're at the end of a contending run and are literally going for broke. While I believe they're a bit overrated, I don't believe the D-backs management team to be fools. I think they understand that when Justin Upton and Mark Reynolds get added to their arbitration eligible pile of players starting in 2011, that the cost of maintaining that team will quickly exceed their revenue projections without the kind of boost that the playoffs can provide.
There is no follow-up by the reporter and Kendrick doesn't say what happens if the D-backs again trip and miss the playoffs, or even worse, are far out of contention in 2010. With three other decent teams in the division, that possibility looms for all four with just a bit of bad luck. Let's hope the Snakes again come up drawing blanks in 2010, as that should be enough to knock them out of the Rockies worries for several years to come.
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Orioles release NRIs, one of which is Jeff Salazar.
Rockies later today plzkthxbai.
by WolfMarauder on Jan 20, 2010 10:59 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I saw that they signed him to a minor league contract with an NRI last week,
I forgot to mention it in Sunday’s Rockpile. Another former farm hand, Steven Register also got an NRI from the Blue Jays.
by Rox Girl on Jan 20, 2010 11:01 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I mentioned Register in yesterday's rockpile thread.
Hard to keep track of who signs when with minor league deals outside of our own organization.
by WolfMarauder on Jan 20, 2010 11:06 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
FYI, 2nd last para before the jump is incomplete (feel free to edit and delete this message!)
by biondino on Jan 20, 2010 11:00 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, that whole sentence was supposed to be cut.
I apparently missed the first part of it.
by Rox Girl on Jan 20, 2010 11:03 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
well done
Rox Girl…..I think the Dbacks have alot of question marks going into the 2010 season-Webb’s health, can Reynolds duplicate his 2009 season? which Kelly Johnson will we see in 2010? Will Conor Jackson ever reach his potential? Is Qualls healthy and will he finish the season as their closer?
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 20, 2010 11:04 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's an altogether bad idea on the Dbacks part, though.
The Dodgers may struggle (big “may”, I know, Ray :) ) and the Rox, while a solid team and a real threat, could suffer a reversal of last year’s good fortune. If the Dbacks do have the potential, then what’s postponing their rebuilding for one year? Seems worth the gamble to me.
by biondino on Jan 20, 2010 11:06 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
you forget to add that the Giants are stuck in Neutral
and the Pads are years away. The Dbacks were “The Best Team In the League” for the first half of 2008, why not take a shot?
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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 11:09 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed.
I think given their situation, it’s not a bad move, it’s just fairly clearly a move to be made at the end of a run rather than at the beginning or in the middle, which I think would surprise a lot of people who aren’t paying attention because of how young they are.
by Rox Girl on Jan 20, 2010 11:23 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
the Jackson trade adds weight to your point as well
trading 5 years of cost controlled Scherzer for a fireballer in arbitration who can help their starting pitching right now.
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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 11:27 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That was definitely the first big sign that this was what they were doing for me.
Any analyst that looks beyond 2010 and 2011 scratches their head at that move, but when you look at it from an angle that the D-backs have to win now, it makes perfect sense.
by Rox Girl on Jan 20, 2010 11:41 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
so the next logical question is what happens if they are not in contention at the deadline?
Are we looking at a Fire! Sale? Who is untouchable on that roster and who is a prime candidate to be moved?
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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 11:49 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Webb's an obvious trade candidate,
I doubt he’s on the team after 2010. They may try to flip Jackson as well. I’d assume they’d keep Upton, Drew and Haren around unless they were overwhelmed by an offer and pre-arbitration players like Parra and Abreu are no-brainers to keep, but anybody beyond those would probably become available.
by Rox Girl on Jan 20, 2010 12:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
By "Jackson", I was referring to Edwin, but Conor works as a trade possibility as well, btw.
by Rox Girl on Jan 20, 2010 12:58 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It's funny how many teams in our division have multiple players with the same last name
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 1:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Xavier Lincecum and Lloyd Tulowitzki may not be impact players this year
but damned if they’re not helping their team in some form
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 20, 2010 1:15 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
What a unique name that would be though
Xavier Lincecum…Timmy boy should pull a Chad Ochocinco……but then he’d be Tim Cincocinco…or Cincocinco Lincecum…and then people would just call him CC…and Sabathia already has that one covered…I’ve thought too much about this…
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by bleedspurple on Jan 20, 2010 3:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
okay I lol'd....alot..
how bout Lincincoceum?
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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 3:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha! Clever:D
Other than people with a speech impediment, I think this would go over really well:D
So dawn goes down to day.
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by bleedspurple on Jan 20, 2010 3:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
YOU CAN'T TRADE ME MOTHERFU***R
man…why are you yelling
THAT’S HOW I TALK
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 20, 2010 1:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/0f345a78d5/samuel-l-jackson-beer-from-greatestcommercialparodies
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 20, 2010 1:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
love this!
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by Maria M on Jan 20, 2010 2:02 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes they deserve to die, and I hope they burn in Hell!!
I try to incorporate this line into my every day dialogue.
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
by squalene203 on Jan 20, 2010 2:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he should just change his name
to Samuel L. MFing Jackson
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Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 1:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Does he need to?
Everyone calls him that anyway, so why go through the hassle?
by KelseyC on Jan 21, 2010 3:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it would be funny to see on the credits for a film sometime
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Brad Hawpe- Yo,Carl Crawford, Brad would like his mojo back ASAP
Dexter Fowler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 21, 2010 4:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Haren starts getting pretty pricey after this year
for a small market team. He is gauranteed 28mil over 2011-2012…
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by Hizilla on Jan 20, 2010 12:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think his situation depends on if they want to go for a total rebuild
or just try and hang around .500 for a couple of seasons while they see what develops on their farm. If they feel they need to add more pieces even after offloading Webb and a couple of others, than I think they look to dealing Haren also, but I think they might be hoping that it only takes a year of seasoning for Jarrod Parker, A..J. Pollock and Brandon Allen among a couple of others before they’re competitive again.
by Rox Girl on Jan 20, 2010 1:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
my take on it is that if they are extending themselves further than they can afford this year, and it doesn’t go well, they’re gonna have to do a total rebuild in order to pay back 2010; in which case trading a guy like Haren for prospects is really the best way to try and facilitate that rebuild. Also – there’s no chance Parker is in MLB before 2012, with the exception of a late season callup in 2011, assuming his rehab goes well.
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by Hizilla on Jan 20, 2010 1:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I've said this before so sorry if you've already heard it but I don't think the DBacks are that good or ever were that good (last few seasons)
In 2007 when they won the division they were outscored by 20 runs over the course of the season which suggests they were major overachievers that year.
In 2008 they led the division for most of the year and finished just two games back of the Dodgers but that was really an illusion too because they were only in contention because the whole NL West was so bad that season and it only took 84 games to win it.
I do believe they are much better than the 70 games they won last season but I don’t see them as anything more than an 85 win team. (88-90 wins max if EVERYTING goes right)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 11:21 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
In case anyone missed it
This Hardball Times article, on which of 2009’s rookie pitchers has the best stuff, features Jhoulys Chacin (5th highest fastball whiff rate) and, even more impressively, Matt Daley, who gets top spot in Highest In-Zone Rate. Nice work, fellas!
by biondino on Jan 20, 2010 11:09 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I really love
your writing RoxGirl. You are easy to read, and you really think about what you are talking about. Always a delight.
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by Maria M on Jan 20, 2010 11:10 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Hey Maria...
not action on the HotRoxDog yet I see?
Your public awaits :)
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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 11:11 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
ooops! *no.....action
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Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 11:11 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I had something put together yesterday...
but it is moving too fast….have to slow it down first :) Don’t worry…it’s coming.
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by Maria M on Jan 20, 2010 11:15 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Lord you two are out of control
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 11:17 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
you are just
jealous is all :)
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by Maria M on Jan 20, 2010 11:48 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
because Muzia's dog just isn't that hot?
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Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 11:51 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I stand by my previous statement
Out. Of. Control.
Someone needs to hose you two down…
(curses! it’s contagious, run away!)
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 11:55 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
oh Muzia.....
Admit it…you enjoy it.
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by Maria M on Jan 20, 2010 12:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Maria - "Admit it. NOW"
/thwack
Muzia – “Thank you, may I have another?”
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Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 12:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahahahahahahahaha
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by Maria M on Jan 20, 2010 12:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
RMN YOU ARE SO CREEPY
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 20, 2010 12:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
oh RMN
you feeling left out of this today?
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by Maria M on Jan 20, 2010 12:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
no, just baffled at the hypocrisy in creepiness allegations
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 20, 2010 12:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
hypocrisy?
I never said I wasn’t cree.p.
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Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 12:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
i am
cree.p. as well….you can call me cree.p. anytime you want to RMN.
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by Maria M on Jan 20, 2010 12:41 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't find any of this creepy
inappropriate, sure, but not really creepy.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 20, 2010 12:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
This is getting weird you guys
by controlled_slide on Jan 20, 2010 12:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...
I was trying to eat lunch and this part of the thread doesnt aid in digestion.
Let me go home and change into my tight leathers first and then give it another go…
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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 12:50 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
lol.....
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Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 12:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You gonna post a picture of that?
Now see kids, that’s creepy.
by controlled_slide on Jan 20, 2010 12:54 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
yes.
you would be correct.
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by Maria M on Jan 20, 2010 12:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
all of this because I was inquiring about
Maria’s animated hot dog…sigh….
we know not what we do…..:(
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Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 1:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
okay that's a lie...lol
I was just trying to be funny…
I apologize
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Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 1:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes?
Yes, you’re posting pictures, or Yes, that’s creepy?
Cree.P. internet guys everywhere want to know!
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by RdRnnr on Jan 20, 2010 1:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Leather daddy?
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by Russ Oates on Jan 20, 2010 1:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Is this where the magic happens?
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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 1:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
stop
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 20, 2010 1:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Aw
You’re ruining the entertainment :-)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 1:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
we can't do Arrested Development quotes anymore?
:-(
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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 1:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Just like everyone else does.
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by Russ Oates on Jan 20, 2010 1:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
besides, when in doubt, blame Russ. Mr. F
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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 1:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
fine, whatever, continue
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 20, 2010 1:54 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yay
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 1:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
GET IT RIGHT
YOU ARE SO CREE.P.
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Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 12:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
yay!
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 11:17 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you! I really do appreciate it.
Sometimes I worry about how effective I am.
by Rox Girl on Jan 20, 2010 11:18 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You're writing is highly effective
You always bring something new and refreshing to the table and break it down really nicely so the reader can understand your train of thought. I’d say just keep doing what you’re doing.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 11:25 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
In terms of information and analysis it's the best sportswriting I read, bar none.
by biondino on Jan 20, 2010 11:27 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
this
you do a fantastic job. Love what you write.
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by Maria M on Jan 20, 2010 12:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
and how fortunate, she gets to write about what she loves
which, IMHO, enhances her writing…
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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 12:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
agree with all of these comments :)
Well Done, RoxGirl!
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Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 11:30 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Using my behavioral science background
seems like closers also get victimized by the fundamental attribution error (FAE) more often than other players. The FAE is the phenomenon where we tend to blame people and ignore the situation. A closer comes in, gives up a few seeing-eye singles and a legit hit or comes in with two men on gives up a dribbler hit that scores a run and all of a sudden he has a blown save or two and the media and fans talking about what a headcase the guy is.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
by Resolution on Jan 20, 2010 11:12 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
There's a lot of truth in that
And that’s also part of the reason that many SABR slanted baseball writers will denigrate the value of the closer – they see that people overemphasize the closer both ways and say that he’s not as great or as awful as the populous makes him out to be.
by controlled_slide on Jan 20, 2010 11:17 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
the way we did value closers was completely stupid. And (just like in any other field) when a movement develops to combat flawed logic, it tends to go too far to the other extreme and thus we arrive at the whole ‘closers are just another pitcher, responsible for 70 of your teams innings and have a relatively easy job of protecting a 2 or 3 run lead for 3 outs at a time’ which makes it sound like anyone can close (and which is a flag I tend to wave a little more than I should).
Rox Girl’s point is an interesting one though where this pitcher that does only contribute about 70 innings to a team and often times has a simple task (relative to other pitchers) oftentimes ends up having a greater association with wins and losses and thus may have a greater linkage to fan perception/ticket sales.
When a closer blows a save, we often neglect to mention the things I mentioned earlier (seeing eye singles), or the fact that 3 or 6 batters did nothing to add offensively. The burden of the outcome falls pretty much squarely on 1 guy. Of course the problem is that quantifying and monetizing that is crazy difficult…
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by Resolution on Jan 20, 2010 11:49 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It's always interesting to me to watch opposing viewpoints
And seeing when one side overcompensates their position because of the other side’s position. Usually there’s truth in both views, possibly with more truth on one side than the other, but neither side will accept that there might be some value in the way they don’t see it.
by controlled_slide on Jan 20, 2010 12:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It's bigger than that I think
I always see sabermetricians acknowledging the use of scouting and stuff so I don’t think they want to dispense of the “old way” as much as help it evolve but yet they don’t mention it thaaaat often.
It has to do with it being difficult ‘start a revolution’ if you’re constantly acknowledging the value of the thing you’re trying to replace. It’s also just not sexy, not to mention that there are plenty of people around talking hyping the old, it’s just a waste of time to just do the same. Not that there’s this epic battle between modern and traditional stats (though some people frame it that way), but having a rational viewpoint and teetering between both sides doesn’t get you into history textbooks the way championing one side does…
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by Resolution on Jan 20, 2010 12:08 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
well revolution insinuates that we're attempting to completely overthrow the old school
we have no problem with scouting, scouts do good work. It’s once the players start getting a good amount of data behind them that the good analysis can come into play that needs changing up.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 20, 2010 12:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
People treat it like its a revolution
rather than an advancement
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
by Resolution on Jan 20, 2010 12:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
advancement....hmmm....
them’s fightin’ words…:)
(kidding…mostly)
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Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 12:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
well parts of it need to be in a way
it’s trying to overthrow the over reliance on circumstantial evidence and try to transition into more repeatable, measurable forms of evidence. Oftentimes they line up, sure, but one is more consistent than the other.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 20, 2010 12:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Durnit, I need a thread GPS
I meant to post this here….
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I saw an interesting snippet about Ben Sheets on MLBN last night
The analysts were suggesting that he should land with the Cardinals because of their pitching coach. And
I thought, much to my own amazement….that he should get with Apodaca, since apparently he has fixed Street, Marquis and Hammel….so what would you all think of us attempting to go after Sheets?
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Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 11:48 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers don't come to CO to resurrect their career. Bummer.
That might change in the future though…
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by Resolution on Jan 20, 2010 11:50 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I say no. Too many teams are after him
It means that he’d have to come near the top of expectations to match the value of the contract he’s going to receive. The good news is that the chase for Sheets should distract some of the competition for other decent pitchers we are after (say Jose Contreras, for example).
by Rox Girl on Jan 20, 2010 11:52 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Sheets wants too much money
for a huge injury risk.
With the recent signings, including Street & Betancourt, the Rockies don’t have Sheets-type money left to gamble. A $500,000 guarantee plus big incentives isn’t going to get it done with Sheets, I don’t think.
Francis’ comeback from injury is a better wager, I think.
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by Maris6161 on Jan 20, 2010 11:54 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with going after a high
priced pitcher, is that the team has kind of already committed to Hammel as the #5, so the only way a slot opens up is if Francis has a major setback very soon. Neither of them is moving to the pen to open up a slot for another pitcher coming off an injury – Sheets or Wang.
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by Hizilla on Jan 20, 2010 12:54 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, the behavioral scientist in me
is really intrigued by the turnaround post-Hurdle. That’s a goldmine.
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by Resolution on Jan 20, 2010 11:51 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Your profession definitely needs to get more into baseball research
by Rox Girl on Jan 20, 2010 11:56 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Resolution could start a whole new disclipine...seriously
of course, that might put baseball writers out of work….
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Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 11:57 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
somehow I doubt that...
Another possible area of study for them would be to figure out why baseball writers are so willing to write for so cheap.
by Rox Girl on Jan 20, 2010 12:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Because they get to see free baseball???
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by rockieprogress on Jan 20, 2010 12:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
this
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 12:05 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Uhp, looks like the behavioral scientists are too late.
The study is done.
by Rox Girl on Jan 20, 2010 12:05 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The baseball writers would still have work
because they’d read what the psychologists write and then re-write it so that everyone could understand it because the psychologists would be dumb and write a needlessly complex, prolix style article because they’d be more concerned with getting published in JAP.
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--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
by Resolution on Jan 20, 2010 12:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe Im just a big cynic...
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--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
by Resolution on Jan 20, 2010 12:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys dont know
how much I think about that.
The funny part is, is that a lot of the work is already done (kind of)
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--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
by Resolution on Jan 20, 2010 11:59 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Another factor on closers is the division you're in
If a team wants to compete with the Dodgers in the NL West, conceding an overmatch against Broxton in the 9th inning of 18 games creates a real disadvantage. A closer who’s as good, or almost as good, is essential.
Another case in point: the AL East. Can a team compete with the Yankees (Rivera) or Red Sox (Papelbon) without a reliable closer? Ask the Rays about that after last season, which is why they spent scarce dollars on a closer this off-season.
The exception is the NL East, where Philly won despite Lidge’s melt-down. But I attribute that to the Mets’ & Braves’ problems in 2009 & the fact that Phil. had already committed big money to Lidge after his perfect 2010. If he flops in early 2010 & K-Rod is racking up saves for the Mets, watch the Phillies make a move.
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by Maris6161 on Jan 20, 2010 11:51 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Your 3 main points
were something that RMN and I were discussing last night, in terms of demoralizing the players rather than in reference to the fans and revenue. If the offense and starting pitching is consistently delivering a lead to the bullpen in the late innings and it consistently gets blown, that’s pretty demoralizing for the players and can pretty easily lead to guys giving up – whether consciously or not. Those guys react to wins and losses in a similar fashion (maybe not the same as fans, since to some of them it really is just a job, but the point stands nonetheless).
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by Hizilla on Jan 20, 2010 12:57 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
It might not have been that front offices correlated blown saves to decreases in ticket sales, but that players and managers and general managers felt upset after blown saves, and put a higher value on good closers themselves.
by RoxnSox09 on Jan 20, 2010 1:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Dodgers
Eric Stephen has a running payroll spreadsheet going over at TBLA. Pretty interesting that they owe $15mil to guys not playing for them anymore, and will continue paying for Manny for the next few years.
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by Hizilla on Jan 20, 2010 1:15 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
The thing that's amazing to me is how much money they already owe in 2011
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 1:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That's $88 million before they replace Ramirez in left and Kuroda in the rotation.
2010 might be a very telling year for them, too.
by Rox Girl on Jan 20, 2010 1:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
At least they
have most of those arb eligible guys cost controled (not necessarily low cost) next year.
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by Hizilla on Jan 20, 2010 1:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
yep, and Kershaw's not likely to be a Super 2, which is something I always hope happens to our opponents
but never seems to, so he’ll still be affordable, but they’re in serious trouble with the rotation otherwise if their prospects don’t work out this year.
by Rox Girl on Jan 20, 2010 1:41 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
And as you've noted before
it’s not just one that has to work out; it’s multiple guys.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 1:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard
Sheets mentioned as a possibility for their rotation – but seems like if they are already at 90mil, that putting out 10mil for Sheets (and giving him a big player optoin for 2011) is not something that they are going to be able to afford to gamble on. Even 4-5mil for Padilla seems like it could be a reach.
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by Hizilla on Jan 20, 2010 1:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Lincecum is super 2.
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by squalene203 on Jan 20, 2010 2:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I know this is getting way ahead of ourselves but
with a lot of our NL West competition having financhial troubles and the Rockies having a huge wave of young talent coming through the system, this decade could be remembered as one in which the Rockies went from never winning a division to complete domination of the NL west
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 1:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
hold your tongue, Mister
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 1:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
you would think we learned our lesson last year with the TTSNBN (Thread That Shall Not Be Named)
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 1:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That was different
That was spiting in the face of the baseball Gods.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 1:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
you just tried jinxing the next DECADE OF BASEBALL
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 1:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I just was saying that it was possible
Look at all the long term signs. I’m not saying that they are sure to come true, but there’s certainly a possibility that things could head in that direction.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 1:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
LALALALALALALALALALAl
CANT HEAR YOU
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 1:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
SOMEBODY'S CRANKY TODAY
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 1:58 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I was whipped earlier in the thread, I am a bit sore
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 1:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Premature Victory/Celebration Thread?
I plan on having one of those in the third inning of the Opening Day game.
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by Russ Oates on Jan 20, 2010 1:54 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet!
I’m up for that. Actually, we should start it before the game.
by Rox Girl on Jan 20, 2010 1:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Genius!
Next thing you know the game will be canceled and we’ll have Kip Wells pitch the next day.
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by Russ Oates on Jan 20, 2010 2:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
But the Rockies will score 30 runs and win in 23 innings just for you Russ
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 2:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
No one scores 30 runs at Petco
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 2:08 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Opening day
is at Miller Park…
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by Hizilla on Jan 20, 2010 2:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
but 20+ inning games only happen at Petco
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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 2:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow that happened twice in five minutes
We’re on the same page today :-)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 2:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You must be bored too
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by Hizilla on Jan 20, 2010 2:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I'm at "work" where they don't expect me to do much so this is more fun than that
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 2:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Not true
The Brewers actually played a 25 inning game against Chicago in 1984.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 2:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
ay carumba
forget my terrible attempt at a joke.
Commence with ruining our season with your premature celebratory talk
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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 2:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I was ruining the whole decade?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 2:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought we opened against the Brewers
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 2:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It's just now hitting me
how Kip freaking Wells was not only the opening day starter for 2008, but also the winning pitcher in the 22-inning epic. I hadn’t put the two together before, and it’s making me sad that Kip Wells owned two of the good moments of that year.
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by coolopotamus on Jan 20, 2010 2:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Well he also owns one of the worst
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 2:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
WE SHOULD START IT NOW
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 2:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The 20XX premature world championship victory thread.
make it happen!
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
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by RdRnnr on Jan 20, 2010 2:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember your last victory thread
almost killed me
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by arpagamos on Jan 21, 2010 7:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
*pre victory thread
Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. ~Greg, age 8
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by arpagamos on Jan 21, 2010 7:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I said I was getting ahead of myself
It’s just worth noting that several things are falling into place that this is a real possibility.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 1:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
*that make this
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 1:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, to keep the cautious in the optimism,
by Rox Girl on Jan 20, 2010 1:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Whats in there?
My work won’t let me open it.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 1:50 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm a floating head i'm just a floating head
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 20, 2010 1:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I love the literal video translations...
especially the one they did for A-ha.
by Rox Girl on Jan 20, 2010 1:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
"Total Eclipse of the Heart" is my favorite
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 2:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't head of these before
my gosh this is hilarious.
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by coolopotamus on Jan 20, 2010 2:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
YES the A-ha one
Hey! I thought I told you not to touch our magic frame!
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 20, 2010 2:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I did a search
for “literal music video”
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by ShadowPenguin on Jan 20, 2010 2:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not super enamored
with our system right now below the AAA rotation (Matzek, Freidrich excepted). A couple of the guys from the 2009 draft could be good, but there are not a ton of impact position players in there. Worries me a little. DOD is gonna have to have a good 2010 draft.
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by Hizilla on Jan 20, 2010 1:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
He's been right a lot lately
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 1:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a ton of impact position players,
would be how most pundits described the system in the days of Barmes, Holliday, Atkins, Hawpe and Spilborghs before Ian Stewart. Looks can be deceiving sometimes. I see some similarities between now and then. I think a lot of people underestimate the Nelsons and McKenry’s of our system.
by Rox Girl on Jan 20, 2010 1:58 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Time will tell
The guys that have the most potential to be MLB’ers that are not pitchers or catchers are at A Ball or lower, alot can happen between now and then. Fortunately, there are not a ton of holes that will need to be filled in the next couple of years, except for 1B.
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by Hizilla on Jan 20, 2010 2:05 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That's one thing that's definitely in our favor now, as compared to then.
We can afford a lot of patience with them. We don’t need to fill major holes with prospects or players we deal prospects for because we don’t have major holes. Then we sort of had to throw a lot of those Gen R guys into the MLB pool early and say “sink or swim”.
I don’t know who among our toolsy types will break out, but I suspect at some point we’ll have a player develop rapidly into a legit skilled prospect. I also wouldn’t be surprised if our recent focus on drafting college seniors gives a very rapid return in the next year or two.
by Rox Girl on Jan 20, 2010 2:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
And as nice as it would be to have more great hitters in the minors who
might be major league ready we don’t NEED any of them for a couple of years.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 2:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
why is everything bolded from this point and down
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 20, 2010 2:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Was just wondering that
Caution: Colorado teams are better than they appear.
by ShadowPenguin on Jan 20, 2010 2:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
i just assumed it was my Wyoming/my phone wonkiness
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 20, 2010 2:50 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Let's start a premature decade domination thread.
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by squalene203 on Jan 20, 2010 2:28 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
RoxDynasty
10 straight world series.
by WolfMarauder on Jan 20, 2010 2:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
ROX Solid :-)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 2:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
No
The Troy Tulowitzki era of awesomeness
"Baseball is the only field of endeavor where a man can succeed three times out of ten and be considered a good performer." - Ted Williams
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 2:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
this
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 2:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else
seeing bold comments outside of the subject line?
NEVER SURRENDER DREAMS
Purple Row - Covering all your Rockies needs!
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by Russ Oates on Jan 20, 2010 2:39 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Only on the bottom of the thread though
"Baseball is the only field of endeavor where a man can succeed three times out of ten and be considered a good performer." - Ted Williams
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 2:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
And sigs also
bolder?
NEVER SURRENDER DREAMS
Purple Row - Covering all your Rockies needs!
Diplomatic and Military History Book Review - My other blog where I go all historical on you.
by Russ Oates on Jan 20, 2010 2:41 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm seeing it also
It’s not quite bold, just bigger and … greyer.
by controlled_slide on Jan 20, 2010 2:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Waitaminute
My text isn’t showing up as bold. Just everyone else’s.
by controlled_slide on Jan 20, 2010 2:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks fixed now
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by ShadowPenguin on Jan 20, 2010 2:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, looks like
It’s normal until you refresh the page, then everything bolds.
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by ShadowPenguin on Jan 20, 2010 2:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
why are you whispering?
Yeah, I think I accidentally broke something up there by linking the tmbg literal video translation.
by Rox Girl on Jan 20, 2010 2:41 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
it shows up for me first at RIRFs correction of his typo above that
Its a message from the sbnation overlords to stop pumping up our comment totals from fixing “accidental typos”
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 20, 2010 3:49 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
* it must be the asterisk in the title then...
Maybe this one will reveal the secret code to the universe.
by Rox Girl on Jan 20, 2010 4:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
no, that's on the constitution....
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 4:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
but weird, it’s done below this
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 20, 2010 2:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
yep
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 2:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
nope
it seems to have RE-BOLDED
it’s like Ice9 or something
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 20, 2010 2:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Ice9?
Son of a…
/freezes solid
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by ShadowPenguin on Jan 20, 2010 2:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
what?
I googled Ice9, but don’t understand how it applies here…
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 2:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
you had to google Ice9?
Oh, SDcat…
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 2:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
one of Vonnegut's best
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Cradle
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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 2:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Vonnegut is an awesome writer
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 3:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
hey bub....no mocking the kids that aren't as cool and nerdy as you all
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 2:54 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
from the chick
who spent an hour one evening trying to convince me to finish Battlestar Galactica…
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 2:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, you haven't finished it?
How far along did you get?
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by ShadowPenguin on Jan 20, 2010 2:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I quit about 4 episodes into Season 3
after I realized they had butchered the best plot point they were ever going to write and it was obvious they had no clue what they were doing.
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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 2:58 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I would just advise to jump back in again...
and I think you’ll find it much better. The series finale is a bit like the Sopranos finale, in that you either like it or hate it….:)
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 3:01 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Ooooh, so you didn't like the timeskip?
Which plot point are you referring to them butchering? It’s been a while and my memory of it is fuzzy.
That being said, the year on New Caprica set up a LOT of drama filled backstory for the characters, and set in motion one of the greatest scenes in a sci-fi series (Baltar’s trial)
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by ShadowPenguin on Jan 20, 2010 3:02 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and one of the best line’s Baltar ever uttered
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 3:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Son of a
I want to go rewatch the whole series now, lol
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by ShadowPenguin on Jan 20, 2010 3:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I need to watch that series
I love Sci-fi, but it just seems like a big time commitment. I haven’t gotten up the desire to start. It doesn’t seem “fun” enough for me to really blow through them fast, like Stargate SG-1.
by controlled_slide on Jan 20, 2010 3:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, depends how you watch it
It’s not a big time commitment if you just watch one episode a week. And who knows, if you get sucked into it, you can always watch more!
It’s really good drama too. It’s really full of character depth, human relationships, and I guess the strength of the human spirit, which just happens to be wrapped in a crunchy sci-fi shell!
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by ShadowPenguin on Jan 20, 2010 3:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm super obsessive though
If anyone here noticed, and I don’t like having things unfinished. I have to watch to the end of something if I start, so having 75 episodes on my plate seems daunting. I’ll watch it eventually I imagine.
by controlled_slide on Jan 20, 2010 3:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
thank you, thank you..
I’m nearly evangelical about this program. I cannot tell you how much I’ve tried to convince people of this…and really its a CRIME that no actors received any Emmy love EVER ….so stupid…
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 3:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
well, compare it to the other serial shows running at the same time
Six Feet Under, Sopranos…compared to the acting in those shows, BS:G is pure melodrama.
Also, it’s sci-fi. And no one likes sci-fi.
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 3:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
whaaa? pure melodrama...oh my ....that's a total disservice....
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 3:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Dr. Bashir Baltar as much as the next guy, but he’s no Michael C. Hall.
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 3:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
(and yes, I know they aren't the same actor. I just always got the two confused)
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 3:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed that he is no Michael C Hall
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 3:54 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of which, I have Dexter next on my list to watch
Heard tons of good things, just never had enough free time to get to it
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by ShadowPenguin on Jan 20, 2010 3:54 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't tell you
how jealous I am that you are getting to watch this for the first time. Dexter is in my top 3 now, although it’s a tad morbid for some.
Hating Cubs fans since 1908
by Hizilla on Jan 20, 2010 3:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...and did you know that Michael C. Hall
is being treated for Hodgkins lymphoma….:(
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 3:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Cancer is a killer
He should kill it.
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 3:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
this
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 3:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
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by ShadowPenguin on Jan 20, 2010 3:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I've only watched Season 1
the rest is high on my list. Netflix Stream FTW
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 3:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Season 2 was
my favorite, with Season 4 close behind.
Hating Cubs fans since 1908
by Hizilla on Jan 20, 2010 3:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard very good things
I have to finish Deadwood and Season 2 of the West Wing again first. :)
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 3:58 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
oh I know
that’s why I am watching it a second time. If only they finished the series…sigh…
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 6:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Deadwood
is my favorite series not named The Wire.
by phishbate on Jan 21, 2010 8:53 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I've got to get caught up on the Wire.
I started watching, but the Blockbuster by me never had other than season 1. And I don’t do Netflix.. I’ll have to check back…
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB.
Brad Hawpe- Yo,Carl Crawford, Brad would like his mojo back ASAP
Dexter Fowler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 21, 2010 11:13 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
see I loved the timeskip
I thought it was genius. And then they pulled them off the planet after 2 (maybe 3) episodes, which is a terrible idea, thus informing me that the genius was a stroke of luck and not actual genius. I left shortly after.
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 3:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
They pulled them off the planet
To get back to the “focus” of finding earth I guess. And it also shook up a lot of the relationships that had stagnated while running from the cylons. And in doing so provided a lot of material that they could reference back to. There are many episodes flashing back or referencing things that happened to them on New Caprica.
You can’t honestly tell me that the show would’ve been good with it ending with them on a cold gloomy rock under cylon control.
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by ShadowPenguin on Jan 20, 2010 3:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
ending? no
but completely blowing your amazing timeskip and resetting back to zero after 3 episodes? Sorry, I’ll pass.
Also, they ruined my favorite character ever, the Chief.
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 3:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh but Chief becomes more awesome
and far more meaningful than you can imagine
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 3:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man
The Chief is awesome later on! Goes into his deteriorating relationship…and yeah, can’t really say much more without spoilers!
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by ShadowPenguin on Jan 20, 2010 3:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll just have to take your word for it, guys. Sorry.
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 4:01 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Just go watch it
I’ll watch Dexter, and SDCat will read Cat’s Cradle. Then we’ll all be even! ;-D
Caution: Colorado teams are better than they appear.
by ShadowPenguin on Jan 20, 2010 4:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I can get on board with this plan.
Although I’m supposed to watch Major League and Bull Durham 20 times each…man…gotta get a day planner…
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 4:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not 20 times...
Just enough to memorize all the quotable parts!
Caution: Colorado teams are better than they appear.
by ShadowPenguin on Jan 20, 2010 4:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't I just go to wikiquote?
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 4:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...perhaps
But they’re still great baseball movies, so worth at least one watch!
Caution: Colorado teams are better than they appear.
by ShadowPenguin on Jan 20, 2010 4:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I've seen Bull Durham a few times...but can't remember
all the good quotes…but Major League only the one time….
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 4:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if I can commit to this plan
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 4:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It'll help kill time until baseball season starts!
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by ShadowPenguin on Jan 20, 2010 5:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
it's like you are a jilted lover....lol
damn that season 3 redirect….damn you Ron Moore!!!!
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 4:05 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
well, the "Damn you, Ron Moore"
applies to quite a bit of his work. Still very different from the “Damn you Brannon Braga” fistshake, that one’s a doozy
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 4:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
But I didn't mock you :(
RIRF…please insert sad face here…
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 2:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I apologize.
now, go read Cat’s Cradle!
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 2:58 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
This bold glitch
Makes it look like you’re yelling at SDcat. Like you’re her dad or something.
by controlled_slide on Jan 20, 2010 3:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The bold glitch isn't showing up for me at all.
Everything looks normal.
by WolfMarauder on Jan 20, 2010 3:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I am yelling at her! At everyone! Go Read Cat's Cradle!
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 3:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
now convince your friends!
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 3:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah right
I can’t even convince SDcat to post a picture of herself.
by controlled_slide on Jan 20, 2010 3:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
you and me both, pal. You and me both.
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 3:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I read it years ago...but forgot much of it..
I’ll revisit :)
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB. Sad Panda :(
Brad Hawpe- UZR isn't everything!
Dexter Fowler- The Bedazzler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 3:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

"Baseball is the only field of endeavor where a man can succeed three times out of ten and be considered a good performer." - Ted Williams
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2010 3:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
By the way
To answer your question, Ice-9 causes any water that comes into contact with it to turn into Ice-9.
by controlled_slide on Jan 20, 2010 2:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is frozen solid at room temperature
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by ShadowPenguin on Jan 20, 2010 3:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
True, but the property RMN was referring to
Was the property I mentioned.
by controlled_slide on Jan 20, 2010 3:08 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, gotcha
Thought we were explaining it fully :-)
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by ShadowPenguin on Jan 20, 2010 3:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Doug Davis to the Brewers
1 yr/$5.25M with a mutual option for 2011
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 2:41 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Biold is good
I feel more confident, more attractive, more dynamic.
by biondino on Jan 20, 2010 2:50 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Biold?
Is that a portmanteau of your name and bold?
by controlled_slide on Jan 20, 2010 2:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm having thread fails today...
A little taste of what the weather is doing about 2.5 miles from my apt….

Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB.
Brad Hawpe- Yo,Carl Crawford, Brad would like his mojo back ASAP
Dexter Fowler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 5:00 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Yikes
Caution: Colorado teams are better than they appear.
by ShadowPenguin on Jan 20, 2010 5:02 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
This pier goes out about 1/4 mile, I think....
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB.
Brad Hawpe- Yo,Carl Crawford, Brad would like his mojo back ASAP
Dexter Fowler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 5:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The Santa Monica pier looks like that today too.
by WolfMarauder on Jan 20, 2010 5:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
crazy...
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB.
Brad Hawpe- Yo,Carl Crawford, Brad would like his mojo back ASAP
Dexter Fowler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 5:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
That looks like a hurricane is coming in
"Baseball is the only field of endeavor where a man can succeed three times out of ten and be considered a good performer." - Ted Williams
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 21, 2010 8:48 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and your giving your location away if you don't want people to know what you look like
We know know that you live in a San Diego apartment that’s 2.5 miles away from the coast. You’ve narrowed our search down to a line that parallels the coast. :-)
"Baseball is the only field of endeavor where a man can succeed three times out of ten and be considered a good performer." - Ted Williams
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 21, 2010 8:53 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
oh good lord man...
good luck narrowing me down amongst 400,000 people in this vicinity…
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB.
Brad Hawpe- Yo,Carl Crawford, Brad would like his mojo back ASAP
Dexter Fowler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 21, 2010 10:44 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I went farther than that
I figured out exactly where that pier was, then did a Google map search of it and looked at apartments in a 2.5 mile radius. I narrowed it down to only a couple. We will find you. And then we will take a picture of you and post it in the picture thread.
by controlled_slide on Jan 21, 2010 10:47 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Say cheese SDcat :-)

"Baseball games are like snowflakes, no two are ever alike." - W. P. Kinsella
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 21, 2010 10:56 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahaha.....
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB.
Brad Hawpe- Yo,Carl Crawford, Brad would like his mojo back ASAP
Dexter Fowler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 21, 2010 11:12 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
more from the storm

Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB.
Brad Hawpe- Yo,Carl Crawford, Brad would like his mojo back ASAP
Dexter Fowler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 5:10 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
LA got another tornado warning today.
by WolfMarauder on Jan 20, 2010 5:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
wow...I expect that will happen here again...
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB.
Brad Hawpe- Yo,Carl Crawford, Brad would like his mojo back ASAP
Dexter Fowler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 5:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
We're having crazy weather in the Bay Area too.
Nothing has majorly effected me, but yesterday some tree detritus including some sort of acorn-sized nuts ended up in my apartment complex parking lot, and my car does NOT like driving over them.
by holly96 on Jan 20, 2010 6:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
See what happens when you trade for the weather SDcat?
"Baseball is the only field of endeavor where a man can succeed three times out of ten and be considered a good performer." - Ted Williams
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 21, 2010 8:54 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That's interesting....good for him
Dear Rockies- What a fun ride! Best comeback in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba-Our clutch has gone out,along with the best name in MLB.
Brad Hawpe- Yo,Carl Crawford, Brad would like his mojo back ASAP
Dexter Fowler- Blinding speed, blinding smile, leaps Utleys in a single bound.
by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2010 5:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe one of our NRI's may be IF Eider Torres.
He’s signed a minor league contract with us, though whether he’ll get the invite or not, I am unsure.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=torres001eid
by WolfMarauder on Jan 20, 2010 6:31 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Angels nabbed Joel Pineiro
Missed that earlier.
by WolfMarauder on Jan 20, 2010 7:24 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
for half the price of Lackey, not bad at all
Attention Whore.
by Muzia on Jan 20, 2010 7:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
OWNED
That Ray fella who was on here the other day is gonna be disappointed, lol
"CarGo had to make some repairs to it. They called it a kitchen accident, but he was performing surgery. On teh lazor."
http://www.soundclick.com/hollidayrain
by Hollidayrain on Jan 20, 2010 8:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, he'll just deflect again
Because everyone knows James McDonald is ready to pwn major league bats all over the league.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
by Mondogarage on Jan 20, 2010 9:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
This is great news for the Rox. I didn’t think the Dodgers were going to sign him anyway because of the finances but it’s nice to know that that option is off the board for them.
"Baseball is the only field of endeavor where a man can succeed three times out of ten and be considered a good performer." - Ted Williams
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 21, 2010 8:57 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and who is the Met's #2 starter going to be now?
I heard talk that they might sign Pineiro. This I guess would be more bad news for them.
"Baseball is the only field of endeavor where a man can succeed three times out of ten and be considered a good performer." - Ted Williams
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 21, 2010 8:58 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If Santana gets injured again that becomes the worst rotation in all of baseball
"Baseball games are like snowflakes, no two are ever alike." - W. P. Kinsella
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 21, 2010 10:34 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Jay Payton back with Rox on minor league deal...
I got nothing.
by nkrause on Jan 20, 2010 8:53 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
but he has no chance
JFK
by jrockies on Jan 20, 2010 10:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
MLC
why not?
Purple Row: Take this personally
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