Saturday Rockpile: Lopez, Gregg on Rockies' radar
by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jan 30, 2010 9:29 AM MST
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SI.com's Jon Heyman says the Rockies are in the mix for Felipe Lopez
Of all of the infielders said to be courted by Colorado, I believe this one is the best (offensively, at least). It looks like the Rox are serious about getting a deal done with one of these guys (Orlando Hudson, Orlando Cabrera, Melvin Mora, Lopez) sooner rather than later. Which guy do you think is the best option for the club?
Gregg in Rockies' sights - The Denver Post
Troy E. Renck says the Rockies are making a play for veteran reliever Kevin Gregg. Gregg has not been a world beater at the back-end of the Marlins' and Cubs' bullpens the past couple of years. Although his K/BB ratio improved quite a bit last season, he allowed 13 home runs in just 68.2 innings pitched.
Turnbow passes on Rockies’ offer; Fogg signs with Mets | All Things Rockies
Derrick Turnbow reportedly turned down more money to sign with the Florida Marlins, stating that he feels he has a better chance to earn a spot in their bullpen. The fact that the Rockies have added a slew of relievers in the past few days probably contributed to Turnbow's decision.
Keith Law: Top 2011 sleeper prospects by organization - ESPN (Insider Only)
Law lists one player from each organization who might crack the top 100 next offseason. For the Rockies, it's Charlie Blackmon. Law had the following to say in his description:
"I've mentioned shortstop Hector Gomez's upside many times, and I still believe Chris Nelson can be an above-average second baseman in the majors, but both players have missed huge chunks of the past two years due to injuries. As for next year's list, outfielder Charlie Blackmon can run, plays a solid center field and didn't show the enormous platoon split of a lot of left-handed hitting prospects, and he handled the jump straight into high A for his first full season."
Cubs staying in Arizona for spring training - The Denver Post
Although the Cubbies' fans are annoying, this is very good news for the Rockies and the rest of the Cactus League. It would have been fairly detrimental to lose the league's best-drawing team.
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Gregg wouldn't be bad either.
But both of these guys are more of a luxury than a necessity. However, luxuries might make us the team to beat in the NL..hmm..
Gregg fails as a closer
He would obviously not fill that role for us. Or the 8th inning guy for that matter. He might be decent in a come in only when fresh/one or two batters to get out of an inning role.
I had the same reaction yesterday
except I think added about 3-4 more nos:)
do not want
Because it's become tiresome
the guy is actually pretty decent. If he comes cheap, I say yes. Relievers frequently have up and down years, and they are more susceptible to bad luck.
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by squalene203 on Jan 30, 2010 12:02 PM MST up reply actions
Interesting tidbut
If we do snag another guy like Hudson or Lopez, our entire bench will be made up of guys who have had significant time as starters in the last 2 years.
this sounds good
although I wouldn’t say Smith has had a significant amount of time as a starter (although I wish he had).
JFK
He at least started about half the games last season
He’s not a complete bench guy
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 30, 2010 10:16 AM MST up reply actions
Some discrepancy
about the time frame of signing Cabrera. Renck please make up your mind. Or better yet: Rockies make up your mind(s) and give Renck better information, like you actually signed him (or not).
I like this situation, lots of solid options. I’m really looking forward to this season.
JFK
So like
exactly how would we play Lopez? would he be the starter at 2b or a bench utility guy?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
He would almost certainly be a starter
and Barmes would move to super utility. It works out great in so many ways. Also keep in mind that Lopez is a switch hitter.
by BringItHome on Jan 30, 2010 10:01 AM MST up reply actions
I would bet he would be the starter
With Barmes backing him up. Although, considering both are versatile, I could see it depending on who has the hotter bat at that point.
I wonder how good he'd be defensively
and if we can somehow get him back into the habit of stealing bases (at a favorable success rate)
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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It would be amazing to have Chase Utley
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 30, 2010 10:17 AM MST up reply actions
Chase Utley +20 sbs!
Everyone will be all likeChase Utley who? This Lopez guy is the greatest second basemen in the history of earth
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we still probably shouldn't get our hopes up too much
I bet the chances of actually signing him are very low even though this moves makes the most sense out of any.
by BringItHome on Jan 30, 2010 10:24 AM MST up reply actions
It looks more likely that Cabrera's coming to Cincinnati
I think this is what Oakland F’s was referring to in Jabberwocky’s post last night, but it seems that the two sides have an agreement in principle if not an actual signed and sealed contract. This doesn’t make Lopez more likely for the Rockies, I think St. Louis is still the favorite for him given all that I’ve seen.
My guess right now is that we end up with Mora, which will likely come as a letdown after the last couple of days.
I would love
to know where that guy gets his “inside” information. Where are you reading this RG? Thanks for the update.
JFK
right now, nowhere I can point you to,
It’s apparently at the enquirer someplace, but I haven’t found it yet.
I'm sure it's somewhere good, he's been right on all the Giambi stuff
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 30, 2010 1:19 PM MST up reply actions
on the other hand St. Louis has already spent a lot of cash this off season
by BringItHome on Jan 30, 2010 10:31 AM MST up reply actions
even that probably doesn't mean anything since they probably still have more left to spend than we do
I am just looking for some reasoning to suggest we have a chance.
by BringItHome on Jan 30, 2010 10:37 AM MST up reply actions
They can probably still
do 1 year deals for someone like that. 2B is an obvious place of need for them, the issue for payroll for them will be after this year when they need to extend some of Pujols/Wainwright/Carp.
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I don't think Lopez will sign a 1 year deal
by Jim Jiminez on Jan 30, 2010 10:55 AM MST up reply actions
I think they'll all sign one year deals
seems like anyone getting a multi-year deal probably already got it this year. Could be wrong though.
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if that's the case, i'd really hope the Rockies would sign him to a 2 or 3 year deal
if that’s what it took to get him. He’s only 29 and consistently good. And he would be a massive improvement over our current 2B situation.
by Jim Jiminez on Jan 30, 2010 11:00 AM MST up reply actions
I think the Rockies
are in a better position to offer that than St. Louis
by BringItHome on Jan 30, 2010 11:24 AM MST up reply actions
definitely.
the Cards have some huge contracts coming up
by Jim Jiminez on Jan 30, 2010 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
It would be an interesting move for the Rockies to offer a 2B a multi-year deal
as it would show
1) They don’t have a whole lot of faith in Chris Nelson, EY2 or Hector Gomez to burst on the scene by 2011
2) They are truly going to win now
3) Both
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 30, 2010 12:30 PM MST up reply actions
4) we just signed Barmes to a multi-year deal, in what apparently looked like a second base position, which would now become multi-year utility man.
While this is fine it just isn’t normal, although normal for the Rockies has been different lately than most other teams.
JFK
? Barmes only got a one-year deal
"We went through this two-year discussion, and we just couldn’t find common ground. So we turned our attention to a one-year and we fairly quickly determined what we thought fair value would be,’’ said agent Barry Meister of Barmes. "Clint is going to demonstrate why he thinks he’s worth a multi-year offer at the dollars where thinks he belongs.’’
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 30, 2010 12:46 PM MST up reply actions
You don't think
that with the focus on Cabrera and Lopez that they won’t at least give Hudson a look?
Hating Cubs fans since 1908
I think they will/have, but I wonder if Washington would outbid us.
I’m assuming the Nationals have more money available at this point, maybe I’m wrong, though.
Latest report
is that Nats are offering $3M, but Hudson wants $9M. But he may just want $9M to sign with the Nats.
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anybody know what our max offer would be at this point
to either Hudson or Lopez?
by BringItHome on Jan 30, 2010 10:53 AM MST up reply actions
boy Oakland F's sure has the inside scoop
quite a bit of the time. I like that he/she comes here to give the 411.
I trust about everything he/she brings now…
Because it's become tiresome
And yet he (yes he) has zero recs
I went back and checked his Giambi debut. Other the Rox Girl, absolutely everyone had a noose around his neck
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 30, 2010 12:47 PM MST up reply actions
hell, silver even warned him
don’t blame her, but boy do we all look stupid now.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 30, 2010 1:20 PM MST up reply actions
I read his posts thoroughly
He seems like a very legit source.
by GoRockies!! on Jan 30, 2010 12:55 PM MST up reply actions
I meant to post this the other day
But there’s a discussion over at Beyond The Box Score comparing Tulo to Braun. It’s kind of interesting.
by controlled_slide on Jan 30, 2010 10:56 AM MST reply actions
I didn't even realize there was a debate
by Jim Jiminez on Jan 30, 2010 10:57 AM MST up reply actions
yeah, braun's clearly better
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 30, 2010 1:22 PM MST up reply actions
Rockies fans should know
how bad Gregg is. Remember 4th of July weekend 2008?
I’ve watched the guy for years now. He’s not good at all.
by FloridaownsFSU on Jan 30, 2010 11:05 AM MST reply actions
18-17 bonanza
on Independence Day.
That was an exciting game.
by FloridaownsFSU on Jan 30, 2010 11:12 AM MST up reply actions
I had
to turn the game off at least twice, and then I had a portable radio with me when it ended because I was watching live fireworks down the street. Amazing night for sure.
JFK
I turned the game off twice because I was at my sister's house
and until we make the playoffs she doesn’t know the Rockies exist. So I had to acquiesce
I switched it back on in the 7thi inning and couldn’t believe my eyes.
Because it's become tiresome
I was updating like mad on my phone
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 30, 2010 1:22 PM MST up reply actions
When Holliday came up with the bases juiced, I just knew he would hit a granny.
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by squalene203 on Jan 30, 2010 12:06 PM MST up reply actions
I was at that July 4th game
Best game I’ve ever seen live besides the tiebreaker
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by Hollidayrain on Jan 30, 2010 11:33 AM MST up reply actions
I watched that game on this cheap gameday-type service on my piece of crap cell phone.
I was going crazy though.
by GoRockies!! on Jan 30, 2010 11:56 AM MST up reply actions
Iiiii remember him!
I remember we lit him up the night before too, and I thought “WOO HOO KEVIN GREGG IS PITCHING WE’RE GONNA WIN”
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 30, 2010 1:21 PM MST up reply actions
i have wanted lopez since the offseason began
lets get it done
Upgrade from opening day 2009 backups
Rox had Carlos Q and Jeff Baker on opening day 2009 bench. IMHO, most any combination of Lopez, Cabrera, Hudson, Giambi is a major upgrade.
by Curt in Florida on Jan 30, 2010 3:31 PM MST reply actions
Carlos Gonzalez?
He started in AAA
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 30, 2010 3:57 PM MST up reply actions
I first read it as Carlos Quentin
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 30, 2010 7:07 PM MST up reply actions
that's what I assumed it was
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 30, 2010 7:27 PM MST up reply actions
Technically, the opening day bench was
Barmes, Q, Torrealba, Fowler and Baker. Naturally, Barmes and Fowler replaced Stewart and Spilborghs in the starting lineup predominantly in April
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 30, 2010 7:09 PM MST up reply actions
I considered Barmes as the starting 2B, and Stewart as the benchman from the beginning.
by WolfMarauder on Jan 30, 2010 7:13 PM MST up reply actions
Oh I did too
and so did anyone else that followed the Rockies closely. But “Opening Day bench” taken literally means Barmes was on the bench. I know that seems silly, but in my mind, it remains important, because that lineup construction reportedly led to clubhouse fission
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 30, 2010 7:28 PM MST up reply actions
Right, I got what you meant literally.
I was just saying that despite Stewart starting, I considered Barmes the starter regardless.
by WolfMarauder on Jan 30, 2010 7:58 PM MST up reply actions
What really hurt was “Clint Barmes is the second baseman for 2009.” The opening day starter was: Ian Stewart. Watching the game with RMN we couldn’t believe what was happening, and questioned the appointment from the announcement of the lineups.
JFK
that's right, we watched the game at Woody's
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 30, 2010 7:27 PM MST up reply actions
feels like another life ago
given where we are now and where we were then
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 30, 2010 8:27 PM MST up reply actions
Man, you're telling me
I think I have fit a decade in since then
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 30, 2010 9:10 PM MST up reply actions
Stewart had taken a lot of reps in the OF in ST remember
And had a few early starts in LF and RF
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 30, 2010 7:29 PM MST up reply actions
and they also considered Baker able to play 1B, 2B, 3B, LF, RF
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 30, 2010 7:29 PM MST up reply actions
perfect, gotcha
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 30, 2010 11:13 PM MST up reply actions
Building on that
Renck concurs that the Rockies aren’t 100% behind Barmes, seeing how they checked in on Uggla, etc. He’s gonna publish a column on it tomorrow.
Moving on from there, he speaks to concerns about Lopez’ play – not so much the actual level of production, but poor defensive and baserunning decisions causing frustration among teammates.
From his sources, it sounds like StL seems the most likely for Lopez, Mora landing in Colorado, pushing Barmes and backing up Stewart.
However, he also made it clear that this isn’t even close to being in stone. The concrete is still wet. He wouldn’t be surprised at all if the Rockies signed Lopez and started him at 2B.
But then again, the Rockies have invested $3M+ in Barmes, so despite him profiling as a Utility guy, if the team saw it that way, they might not have made so firm an investment in him.
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I totally misread renck's response
He said he WOULD be surprised if the Rockies signed lopez and gave him 2B, given Barmes’ clubhouse popularity and Lopez’ character issues.
My bad.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 30, 2010 6:11 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I've got no problem with Mora, really.
He would be my number 3 choice, behind Hudson #1 and Lopez #2.
WOULD be surprised if the Rockies signed lopez and gave him 2B, given Barmes’ clubhouse popularity
This is why I was shocked to hear we were pursuing Lopez at all. I really can’t see them giving the job to someone else. Through competition, maybe, but not straight-up.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 30, 2010 7:34 PM MST up reply actions
yeah, my mistake, completely
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 30, 2010 8:28 PM MST up reply actions
I recall that Lopez had attitude problems...
at both Cincinnati and Washington and has moved around a lot since leaving the Nats. Talent doesn’t seem to be his problem, but you have to wonder how he’d fit into the clubhouse milieu.
He'd really have to show he's buying into the program, so to speak
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 30, 2010 6:12 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Do you think
the Rockies could sell Cubs memorabilia when they play at home against them during ST and get a little bit more money? If they stay and always increase the oppositions attendance accommodating them a little could bring in a little bit more money.
On second thought, forget it, we don’t need their fans to have more reason to come to the game other than to come to the game.
JFK
oh come on
that’s like calling him an idiot and then saying “just kidding”
but jrockies what kind of treason are you talking
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 30, 2010 7:30 PM MST up reply actions
RMN, you are an insufferable talentless hack of a writer
who imposes your will and belief that math is god on everyone.
jk
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 30, 2010 7:32 PM MST up reply actions
PF
You are a terrible piano player and couldn’t tell the difference between a bud light and an Erics ale.
JK
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Not a joke?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 30, 2010 8:01 PM MST up reply actions
Shame on you
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 30, 2010 7:55 PM MST up reply actions
Treason!
well seriously it’s the weekend.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 30, 2010 8:30 PM MST up reply actions
Cabrera is a Red
So sayeth Tim Brown of Yahoo on twitter. 1 year 3 million with a 3M option.
Congrats, you guys dodged a bullet.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
yessir we did
issue is that with dodging that bullet, we’re probably not going to get the best player available anyhow.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 30, 2010 10:06 PM MST up reply actions
So how much is Mora gonna want if Cabrera got 3 mil?
Probably just something comparable?
by BringItHome on Jan 30, 2010 10:16 PM MST up reply actions
Cabrera will be a starter; Mora couldn't use Cabs as a comp
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 30, 2010 10:20 PM MST up reply actions
Exactly
that’s part of why we “missed” Cabrera, because we wanted him as a utility player
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 30, 2010 11:13 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah there goes our bargain busters in Lopez/Hudson then
if Cabrera’s getting that much then they’re going to want more and it would kill the budget. I would have no problem if O’Dowd literally exhausted all of options before going to Mora though. I would hate to see us sign Mora two days from now just to witness Hudson go to the Twins for 4 mill…..then again, if the Mariners or one of Mora’s other suitors sign him before Hudson’s price goes down, we might have a problem, because it drives up Hudson or Lopez’s prices for us because it would mean we’d have to get one of those two or we’ll suffer through EY2 playing 3rd next year…..
Impossible not to have positive thoughts.
I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.
by bballrox4717 on Jan 31, 2010 3:11 AM MST up reply actions
Happy to hear the news
I agree, it probably makes Mora more likely.
by phishbate on Jan 31, 2010 7:31 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
well that solves that problem
Can the season start now? How about a countdown clock on the main page?
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