It’s Official: Rockies sign C Miguel Olivo
by Andrew Martin on Jan 4, 2010 4:33 PM MST
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Reported by Rockies beat writer Thomas Harding, the Rockies have come to terms with former Royal/Marlin/Padre/Mariner/White Sock Miguel Olivo to provide a powerful backup C to spell Chris Iannetta in the 2010 season. Harding is reporting a 1-year deal with an option on a 2nd. Financial terms have not yet been released.
Olivo, not strongly known for his defense, is considered to be a solid power-hitting catcher, posting a career ISO of .181, and belted 23 dingers for the Royals last season, numbers which he can hopefully repeat (relative to playing time, of course - well, if he wants to hit 23 homers as a backup, I'm not going to complain) with Colorado.
Olivo, while a powerful bat, isn't known for his plate discipline or OBP skills. Over his career, he has averaged 3.72 walks per 100 Plate Appearances - less than half the MLB average, further illustrated by his career .243/.278/.423 batting line.
This said, I feel this signing will give Iannetta a push to hold down the starting job, while bringing some pop in a backup role. The reason I like it is because Olivo's skillsets play to a backup position. With Torrealba behind the plate, he'd post an inferior OPS (or wOBA) than Iannetta, but he'd do it with a much higher batting average, which is appealing to a lot of evaluators, including Jim Tracy, or so it would appear. That said, Olivo will doubtfully post an average any higher than Iannetta's, if even close, and won't get on base much at all. That said, Iannetta looks to be at least as good at/completely better than Olivo in every aspect of the game (aside from obviously being of Latin descent and thereby being able to catch Latin pitchers), so basically Olivo will have to absolutely catch fire and start murdering baseballs into the fountains on a daily basis and Iannetta's legs will both have to also catch fire, but in a more literal way, before Olivo takes the starting job from Iannetta.
Best of luck to both of our backstops, and let the hits keep on rolling!
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yayy i guess
i had mixed feelings about this rumor and still have mixed feelings about the now signing but hey if he can hit a good amount of homers in the time he plays i can deal.
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
thanks for a great season Rockies!
LETS GO WINGS!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Jan 4, 2010 4:42 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
You're having number troubles today
4.12 walks / plate appearance? He’s the most patient hitter of all time! I have it at .0372.
by controlled_slide on Jan 4, 2010 4:42 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
per 100 PA
I probably fell victim to another partial season thing
why are you doublechecking all of my numbers today
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 4, 2010 4:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
haha this made me laugh
Remember old folks, I'm just 17 years old =]
by GoRockies!! on Jan 4, 2010 4:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
well let me say...this makes me sad...if it is true...
Thanks Yorvit for all your clutchiness, grit and fired-up ness….
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2010 4:42 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
yea yorvy's
fire and passion will be missed dearly…that said let’s hope Olivo can deliver in the back up role
we seem to have gotten over that HURDLE
thanks for a great season Rockies!
LETS GO WINGS!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Jan 4, 2010 4:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
His 2009 was special..and wow that double vs. the Phils was memorable
But it is time to move on
Remember old folks, I'm just 17 years old =]
by GoRockies!! on Jan 4, 2010 4:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd -- I really liked Yorvit over the years
Heck, we named our dog after him, and not in a pejorative way.
Yorvit was my wife’s favorite remaining Rockie after Holliday and Baker left. (Though she says she’ll finally pick a new one….)
There’s not enough passion in life and its activities, and Yorvit Torrealba showed plenty to spare. And while his overall career achievements are middling at best, certain select ones of those events were some of the Rockies’ greatest moments as a ballclub.
You will be missed.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
by Mondogarage on Jan 4, 2010 5:05 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
His fight with Matt kemp was awesome
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 4, 2010 5:06 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
are you trying to make me cry :(
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2010 5:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Do it.
Double dare you.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 4, 2010 5:18 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
go back to your puckshoving silleeness :)
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2010 5:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Ohaylnaw
This is uncool. Is flag the opposite of rec? If so, I’m totally doing it.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 4, 2010 5:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
rofl "trolling" is an option.
That is beyond amazing.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 4, 2010 5:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
:):) this is your fault after all
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2010 5:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, hey
What did I ever do? I’m so sweet and innocent.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 4, 2010 5:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
lol....yaaahh right...
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2010 5:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I yaaaammmmmm
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 4, 2010 5:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
This from the guy
Whose sig is about rudeness and disrespect.
by controlled_slide on Jan 4, 2010 5:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't judge me!
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 4, 2010 5:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You think you're better than me?
by controlled_slide on Jan 4, 2010 5:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Protip. Ruins some of the flava when you toss that opening “you” in there.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 4, 2010 5:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
Is it your opinion that your status is higher than mine?
by controlled_slide on Jan 4, 2010 5:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely!
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 4, 2010 5:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
HAVEICORRECTLYPROCEEDEDINTHISINSTANCE?
by controlled_slide on Jan 4, 2010 5:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Everything is spelled correctly.
So, no. Sigh. L2T00BZ. PLZ.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 3:50 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
(Though she says she’ll finally pick a new one….)
Dexter?
by WolfMarauder on Jan 4, 2010 5:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not Dex, since she hardly got to see him play yet
I’m thinking she probably ends up choosing Tulo, since she knows he’ll actually be around for a while.
She did say something like “they’ll all be my favorites”, though.
Still, once she gets to see CarGo Firin’ Hiz Lazer Beam, that may change everything. She wasin the hospital just after he got called up, and didn’t have access to FSRM the rest of the season. But boy, did I share some tales with her.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
by Mondogarage on Jan 4, 2010 5:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Dex is my heir apparent for favorite player after Hawpe leaves.
I have to advertise him. lol
by WolfMarauder on Jan 4, 2010 5:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I love watching Dex play
His joy for the game is so apparent, and he seems so effortless (which is not the same as loafing). I have no idea how great a player he will ultimately become, but as long as he never gets jaded, he will be a joy to watch for years.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
by Mondogarage on Jan 4, 2010 5:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I would totally marry his smile, if I could.
Saved by the buoyancy of citrus.
by coolopotamus on Jan 4, 2010 5:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too!
It’s pretty much blinding
by bleedspurple on Jan 5, 2010 11:06 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
He has a GREAT smile.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 11:07 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Y'know
I think it’d be kinda fun to go into a season having not seen many players and deciding which was my favorite.
by controlled_slide on Jan 4, 2010 5:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm on the lazor beem boat
"There are only two important things in life: baseball and breathing. But at least you can survive without breathing for 3 minutes."
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by Hollidayrain on Jan 4, 2010 5:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
My personal faves the last several years have been Cookie, Hawpe, and yes, Atty
…but Atty left the mix, and both CarGo and Dex are right in there. As is Huston Street.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
by Mondogarage on Jan 4, 2010 5:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think my favorite right now is Ubaldo.
I just love him so.
Although, Todd Helton is still my honorary favorite.
by holly96 on Jan 4, 2010 5:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Ubaldo!
I want to hug him. My gf pretended she had got me a Rockies player for Xmas – “ooh, is it Ubaldo?!” “Sorry hon, it’s Franklin Morales”. I was a bit disappointed but I hope I hid it well.
by biondino on Jan 5, 2010 3:49 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, it could have been Greg Reynolds...
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 9:14 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
My wife loves Dex
I took her to opening day last year – her first Rockies game – and she loved the way he “swaggered” to the plate.
by controlled_slide on Jan 4, 2010 5:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks and rec'd right back at ya
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2010 5:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
already done...but may revise it...:(
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2010 5:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
make it as long as I can to annoy you specifically:P
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2010 5:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Your signature takes up
at least 50% of the length of each thread…it’s like it’s own OT
by Hizilla on Jan 4, 2010 5:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
cool!
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2010 5:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I like when a topic goes all the way to the right side of the
screen and it takes up almost the entire page :-)
Say yes to 10 teams in a division and 6 teams in the playoffs.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 4, 2010 6:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
By like you mean
become severely annoyed right???
by Hizilla on Jan 4, 2010 6:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
No I think it's funny
I mean I can just Z down. If had to actually scroll it would become a problem.
Say yes to 10 teams in a division and 6 teams in the playoffs.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 4, 2010 7:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I...don't see that happening
She just changed it to make it bigger.
by controlled_slide on Jan 4, 2010 5:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
not bigger
just more information on the same number of lines….
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2010 5:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what she said?
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 4, 2010 5:39 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I like this
If, as I assume, he’s signed for a reasonable price.
by controlled_slide on Jan 4, 2010 4:44 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah so do I.
Coming to Coors might spike the homers so you never know what he could do
Remember old folks, I'm just 17 years old =]
by GoRockies!! on Jan 4, 2010 4:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait
until we all bemoan him becoming the starting catcher for no apparent reason at the end of April.
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by Russ Oates on Jan 4, 2010 4:48 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
god I know
but thank God we have Smith on the bench because he’s clutch and Iannetta’s unloved
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 4, 2010 4:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
"(aside from obviously being of Latin descent and thereby being able to catch Latin pitchers)"
This made me lol.
by WolfMarauder on Jan 4, 2010 4:55 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
thank would make him the perfect NY Met
To all of the doubters, to all of the haters, one simple message:
We will be back! Our purple knights will be victorious once again.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Jan 4, 2010 5:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Laffin
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 4, 2010 5:04 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like a decent/solid move
hardly exciting but could have been much worse. Hope he works on his OBP and defensive issues and has a great year.
And best wishes to Yorvit — A keystone part of the best moments in the history of this franchise and seemingly a good teammate and good person.
And to CDI — its all you now. Time to step up.
by Teekalong on Jan 4, 2010 5:20 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I'll second the best wishes to Yorvit
unless he signs with SF – in that case I retract it.
by Hizilla on Jan 4, 2010 5:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm sorry but it would make me laugh a little if he did
not because I want him to make us regret not working it out..
but for the sheer irony…
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2010 5:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
No hard feelings, Yorvit
Don’t become a Giant.
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Jan 4, 2010 9:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
When Olivo was a rookie...
He was the fastest catcher I’d ever seen. Perhaps of dubious value, but it could help him beat out a few GIDP’s and take an extra base here and there.
Sorry to see Torrealba leave over an apparently minor allocation of funds: base salary vs buyout. Seems that Rox would have acceded to his request had they really wanted to keep him. That certainly didn’t seem like a dealbreaker.
For sure, his final at-bat was a good one to remember him by.
by alex colfax on Jan 4, 2010 5:34 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
agree with you on the dealbreaker
and his final at-bat…
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2010 5:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I Remember the first time I saw Olivo in Spring
When he came up with the White Sox (BOOOOO!!!) i remember seeing Olivo leg out a triple against the cubs in Tucson. It was awesome seeing a catcher show that hustle and it gave me a chance to like him once he took that Chicago jersey off his back. He was a beast skill set wise for a catcher when he was younger, and I think at this point his power will translate well to Coors. I hope I Man wins out the starts for Ubaldo though because if Olivo is Baldy’s catcher then he will see a lot of team’s top pitchers and I’d rather Netty be in the line up against them.
It sucks seeing Yorvy go but the time comes for everyone in the business. I just hope he doesn’t become a Met and have unreasonable expectations put on him to be one of the big reasons that will turn around the Mets because that situation has bust written all over it. Plus his ability to throw runners out took a big dip last year and if he doesn’t improve the top of the orders for the Marlins and Phillies are going to run all over him.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there is a man on base.
by KDub1988 on Jan 5, 2010 8:07 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Have the terms of the deal been made public?
What does this do to our payroll? Do we still have some $$$ for Hudson?
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
by squalene203 on Jan 4, 2010 5:48 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
This might help clarify
http://www.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_14120967
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2010 5:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
We never really had $$$ for Hudson to begin with.
by WolfMarauder on Jan 4, 2010 5:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
O Dog would have had to compromise to end up with the Rockies
Plus it sounds like the Nats a showing a lot of pursuit towards Hudson and dedication with some of the moves they’ve made and can promise him a starting spot while the Rocks couldn’t say just because he signed he would be starting and Barmey would move to the bench, they could only offer a chance to beat out Clint.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there is a man on base.
by KDub1988 on Jan 5, 2010 8:10 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
And so with the signing of Olivo
the great catcher debate officially came to an end.
Everyone rejoice!!!! The war is over!!!!
Say yes to 10 teams in a division and 6 teams in the playoffs.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 4, 2010 6:10 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Meet the New Boss, Same As the Old Boss
aka “Catcher Wars, Part Deux”
Who will be the first to say Olivo should be starting over CDI?
Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
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by Mondogarage on Jan 4, 2010 6:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It'll happen
After Olivo hits a “clutchy” double in the bottom of the 9th
Caution: Colorado teams are better than they appear.
by ShadowPenguin on Jan 4, 2010 6:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that to tie or win the game?
Say yes to 10 teams in a division and 6 teams in the playoffs.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 4, 2010 6:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
With Olivo, it's more likely to be a "clutchy" home run
Maybe the highlight of the 2010 season will be known as the “Ollie Slam”.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
by Mondogarage on Jan 4, 2010 6:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds like something that would be done on a skateboard.
Foxes are naughties
by crazedjohn on Jan 4, 2010 6:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I ate that at Denny's once.
by WolfMarauder on Jan 4, 2010 6:17 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Ya, it usually involves....
….two pieces of toast getting thrown out at the cashier, and a big whiff of powdered eggs.
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by Mondogarage on Jan 4, 2010 7:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not in love with paying a backup catcher 3 million but it's not a terrible deal
Say yes to 10 teams in a division and 6 teams in the playoffs.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 4, 2010 6:12 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
thats what yorvit would have been paid too
Either that or you get Paul Phillips.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 4, 2010 6:52 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
But with Yorvit we would have had to pay him for two years so I’d rather have this. I’m not ready to hand the keys to Paul Phillips.
Say yes to 10 teams in a division and 6 teams in the playoffs.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 4, 2010 7:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Phillips
Not saying anything but I like the gut
by arpagamos on Jan 4, 2010 9:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer the comment with gut.
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
by squalene203 on Jan 4, 2010 11:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like he only signed for 2 million.
by WolfMarauder on Jan 4, 2010 8:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a nice development
Say yes to 10 teams in a division and 6 teams in the playoffs.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 4, 2010 8:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I just unleashed the banhammer.
Long live the banhammer!
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by Russ Oates on Jan 4, 2010 6:23 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Is it as satisfying
When it’s just a spammer?
by controlled_slide on Jan 4, 2010 6:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
for those using the network-wide banhammer on the guy.
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by Russ Oates on Jan 4, 2010 6:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow!!!!! That's like the bada$$ banhammer
Say yes to 10 teams in a division and 6 teams in the playoffs.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 4, 2010 7:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think pounding a robot with a giant cartoon hammer (how I imagine the banhammer) would be a lot more satisfying than pounding a person with it.
by WolfMarauder on Jan 4, 2010 6:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
depends on the person :)
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2010 7:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
And
it’s already updated on the Official Rockies Roster
JFK
by jrockies on Jan 4, 2010 6:43 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
And
because he is already on the Rockies 40 I have found every Olivo baseball card I have (3) and transferred him to my Colorado Rockies catchers and 1B (not Helton or Galarraga) binder
JFK
by jrockies on Jan 4, 2010 7:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Will CDI one day have his own binder?
Say yes to 10 teams in a division and 6 teams in the playoffs.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 4, 2010 7:50 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm trying
to get one for him and Troy, but the number of cards available is limited. I can try. It has taken me 12 years to get the 573 different cards I currently have.
JFK
by jrockies on Jan 4, 2010 8:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have any Ian Stewart cards?
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by Charlie77 on Jan 5, 2010 4:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Only 4
But when I graduate and get a “real job” I will be buying a lot more cards and by collection of Rockies should boom. I really don’t have very many new cards.
JFK
by jrockies on Jan 5, 2010 4:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I have an autographed 2004..
Just Minors card when he played for Asheville. Which ones do you have?
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by Charlie77 on Jan 5, 2010 9:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I just have
the Topps cards from 2008 and 2009 and the Upper Deck from 2009. I do however have two baseballs signed from 2003 (in Casper), one baseball signed from this year, a signed bat, and his autograph on the 2007 NL Championship Shirt.
JFK
by jrockies on Jan 5, 2010 9:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Niice!
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by Charlie77 on Jan 6, 2010 5:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The last paragraph
So….You are saying your mediocre catcher becomes #1, because, well, he can’t beat out other mediocre competition, so Olivo is a good sign, because he sucks so bad, he couldn’t possibly beat out Iannetta……??
That’s some pretty shaky logic, and not how most sports teams are built. YOu know, bring in the best players, and let them compete.
It makes no sense to me, how this is a good signing. It’s a body that fills a spot. No more.
by Redhawk on Jan 4, 2010 7:51 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
come on, you know exactly why its a "good" signing
but its over now, so ain’t got no reason to worry about it. Only time to worry about CDI and Olivo getting the job done.
by Teekalong on Jan 4, 2010 8:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually with you here
Although I understand where RMN is coming from, in that he feels that the best player was not necessarily playing last year, and now it will be clear who the best player is and therefore he will be more likely to play. That being said, I still don’t think it was that great of a signing.
by Hizilla on Jan 4, 2010 8:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, because our evaluations of Iannetta's talent are completely different
I’m going to write my articles based on my evaluation of said talent, and that says that Iannetta should be the number 1 catcher. I’m not going to pander to all the viewpoints for this, the last paragraph was the opinion of this writer.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 4, 2010 9:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It was propoganda
If Iannetta is so great, that he can’t stand competition, there is a hole in the logic that says he’s so great.If he was so amazing, wouldn’t that show through for such career baseball guys like Hurdle, and Tracy to be able to see it? No way you spin it, a guy that has a BA of .225….has issues.
It’s this kinda crap writing that pushes and sells something as “fact” when it’s as you say “Opinion of the writer”. In fact this crap is why I wasn’t going to post here any more. In the Bizarro-world that is the Purple Row, where a .225 hitter, is some how great, or even good hitter, is just crazy. A guy that hits .225…is not a good hitter. It can’t be spun. .250 or .260 maybe…..225 no way. You can’t get to good from that, no matter how you want to present the arguement.
The Rockies just downgraded their catching talent from 09 for 2010, and that’s not a good thing.
by Redhawk on Jan 4, 2010 10:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I buy the propoganda, if by propoganda you mean the Truth.
Forget about batting average, it’s a Stone Age stat. The goal of the game is to not make outs and score runs. Iannetta and Torrealba didn’t make outs at roughly equivalent levels. Ianetta, meanwhile contributed to more runs with his power and ability to not make outs, regardless of what his batting average is. Even last year Iannetta was the better player, and just because you do not think so does not make it any less true.
With Olivo providing the same offense that Torrealba typically provides, and being nothing more than the backup the Rockies are showing a commitment to the best player.
by Mitchell Who on Jan 4, 2010 10:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to the Row
I’m not sure if you have been lurking around around here for a while but if you havn’t, I’d recommend you stay away from that topic. It caused a war here in September. It was ugly man. :-)
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 4, 2010 11:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
that was a pretty levelheaded response, IMO
no personal attacks, nothing
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 4, 2010 11:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree I just thought
it would be fair to warn him that he’s sailing into dangerous waters.
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 4, 2010 11:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Not of his making
Just with PR history
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 4, 2010 11:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm aware.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 4, 2010 11:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
you know what's so weird..
I went back and looked at that thread..
I didn’t make one comment. I must have been to scurred….
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 5, 2010 2:07 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you were busy that day
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 6:04 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
well, he called it like it is
without using any judgement calls like “[player] Sucks!” or anything like that
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 4, 2010 11:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It was quite and astute first post wasn't it
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 4, 2010 11:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how it's propaganda
well, by definition it’s obvious, but me promoting one player or another wouldn’t mean dick diddly dick to any decision makers
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 12:03 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
But to other readers?
I don’t think you understand the power that the regular writers have in shaping opinion of your readers here.
by Redhawk on Jan 5, 2010 9:20 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
so because my opinion is different than yours
and my methods of evaluation are different than yours, I’m doing the readership a disservice by presenting the conclusions I’ve come to? You’re severely underestimating our readership if you think that they just blindly follow ME of all people, I’m the one they dismiss the quickest, as you’re evidencing right here.
I want this team to do better. I strongly believe that Iannetta starting 4-5 times a week will provide a superior bat and defender from the catcher slot. I don’t care what his batting average is, he makes fewer outs and has better potential to advance baserunners than any other available options this offseason. Therefore, I consider him starting a full load (however much that means) to be a complete positive for this club.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 9:27 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm saying
you are not in the seat of authority, and you don’t really understand the power and weight your words and opinions have. When you push a point, it has FAR more importance than when say I do, just cause of the position you have.
So…when you do push a position, you have to really have to be careful and not to abuse the pulpit that you start out on.
by Redhawk on Jan 5, 2010 9:42 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
And I'll admit that my little paragraph in the end was self-serving
but to the end of “force Tracy’s hand, make him start the better catcher”
and yes, I know you don’t agree with the last 2 words there, but rather than take this full circle, let’s drop this aspect, because you have your admission.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 9:44 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a freaking blog.
How can a ‘pulpit’ be ‘abused’ on a blog? It’s the writer’s opinion being expressed which is the ENTIRE POINT of a blog!
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on Jan 5, 2010 10:03 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that the P-Row
has more professionalism than just some guy’s opinion blog. It represents the new or next wave of journalism. And because of that, the writers need to realize, they aren’t just sitting in their basement in their bathrobes, but rather are shapers of news and public opinion.
by Redhawk on Jan 5, 2010 10:07 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
And with the basement crack, you’ve outdone yourself once again.
Look, man, you seem like a decent enough guy and you know baseball, but in regards to Iannetta’s value as a hitter, people have used a lot of different methods to try and show you – occasionally politely, occasionally not – that you’re wrong. And you have responded by taking it personally and now essentially telling the author of this piece that he shouldn’t be expressing a certain opinion because you don’t agree with it to an extreme degree that you don’t even think it should be postulated. Tell me how that makes a lick of sense.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on Jan 5, 2010 10:11 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Woody Paige posts absurd opinions all the time
far far far more absurd than mine
he’s a shaper of news and public opinion
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 10:11 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Which I think is an interesting point
But I think most know to take it as “editorial” comments, and that they are his opinion pieces, as nutty as they are at times.
In traditional papers, you can tell the difference between news and editorial pieces. Here, not so much. In fact here they get blended. Sometimes that’s good. Sometimes it’s not.
by Redhawk on Jan 5, 2010 10:15 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The last paragraph is really the only place I gave the opinion
and I began said paragraph with “That said, I feel…”
I figured that made it pretty clear it’s my opinion.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 10:18 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s pretty clear from my standpoint – as a reader and somebody who used to blog pretty regularly – that a blog is intended to be both at once. Nobody’s going to read a blog that just says “Hey, the Rockies signed this guy, he did this this and this with this team last year.” I come to read the opinions of Rox Girl, RMN, and all the rest. That’s what separates blogs from the newspapers. I sort of figure this to be self evident.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on Jan 5, 2010 10:19 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It's highly
encouraged that we have offer an editorial in everything because we’re fans with opinions.
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by Russ Oates on Jan 5, 2010 10:21 AM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I mean just check out Sliver's
opinions of Greg Reynolds.
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 10:26 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Where has she been by the way?
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 10:27 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Stalking Greg Reynolds...:P
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 5, 2010 3:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
hehe
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf." - Tug McGraw after being asked if he liked grass or Astroturf better.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 5:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Journalism is "some guy's opinion" veiled behind an invisible, unspoken journalistic code.
There is a lot of “journalism” out there, should you accept it as such, that is far more self serving and stubborn than is RMN, or any others on the PR staff, and about far more important things.
It could be fair to say that in the catcher debate, or the traditional stats vs. metrics debate, PR does indeed land on one particular side in general. But I don’t see this as a problem; we also have posters like you who, while you may not be a writer for the blog, participate in the community and do your best to level the playing field.
In the original thread from Sep 30, there seemed to be a lot of disrespect on both sides, and I can understand why you would get angry about it. However, I think by now, it should be acknowledged that even though their position is not your position, your pushing of your own point of view is not in any way being denied. Dissenting opinions are usually very welcome here, and yes, even though I have on occasion been quite harshly reprimanded on occasion for some of my views, particularly on the subjectivity of baseball stats, I still feel very welcome here, and am not shy in sharing my opinion. I don’t feel repressed or anything similar.
In conclusion, I think that accusing PR of pushing a propagandist agenda isn’t a fair accusation. As someone who was just recently given the chance to participate in the action of the blog with the upcoming podcast, I can confirm that I was never once asked what my position on the catcher debate, or on statistics were. The opinions of the writers are not being judged. Like any journalistic entity, they have an opinion just like everybody else, which they’re allowed to have. I just fail, at this point, to see why you discourage it so. For me, it’s not a problem unless rival opinions are repressed, which I don’t believe they are.
by WolfMarauder on Jan 5, 2010 10:18 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
I do “That said” wayyyy too much, as I’m typically introducing a metric or whatever and THEN drawing the conclusions based on said metric.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 10:22 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
but I do feel rival opinions are repressed. They aren’t banned, or anything, but there is an avalanche, and group-think that happens here.
I feel that that group-think is shaped by those in authority, whither they realize it, and is a by product of having their opinion presented as fact. and I don’t think it’s intentional at all, beyond, they are trying to teach us the “right way”, even if there is another way of looking at things
by Redhawk on Jan 5, 2010 10:27 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
There's a difference between group-think
And many people using the same or similar methods to come to the same conclusion.
by controlled_slide on Jan 5, 2010 10:28 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
depends on where you are sitting
it can feel the same and hard to differentiate
by Redhawk on Jan 5, 2010 10:29 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I can understand that
But I really feel that there’s not much “group-think” on this site. At least now, when the people who stick around for the offseason are reasonable, well-spoken and polite for the most part.
by controlled_slide on Jan 5, 2010 10:31 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, this isn’t 1984. (UNITY IS STRENGTH. TULO IS GOD. READING IS LEARNING.) Nobody else but you thinks Chris Iannetta sucks because he doesn’t, not because RMN or whoever threatened to ban us if we didn’t all rally behind him. We’ve seen the stats, read the arguments, and it makes perfect sense to the vast majority of us that players who make fewer outs are better offensively than players who make more outs. And nobody wants to silence ‘different opinions’ – just this particular ‘different opinion’ on this subject because it’s so tired.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on Jan 5, 2010 10:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
READING IS LEARNING
I’m seriously stifling laughter at work
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 10:38 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how Orwell missed this particular newspeak.
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Jan 5, 2010 10:39 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Can we get "REC" changed?
It need to be be “DoublePlusGood”
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Jan 5, 2010 10:41 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
here's how this read to me:
Iannetta is great we all agree, so please shut up.
Which by the way, is why I won’t.
by Redhawk on Jan 5, 2010 10:43 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The reason PR wanted people to shut about about the catcher debate was only because it got dirty, not because of the content of the debate itself.
I hope you never stop posting your opinion about Iannetta… even aggressively, if you want it, so long as it’s kept respectful. Some readers may indeed simply believe everything that is written here, but 90% of the readers of this blog have a mind of their own, and will not agree with a writer just because they’re a writer.
by WolfMarauder on Jan 5, 2010 10:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t recall saying ‘please’.
But seriously, it’s so predictable that any time the discussion turns to catchers around here, some sort of Bat-signal reaches you and you come in and crap all over Iannetta.
Chris Iannetta is a good big-league catcher with above-average offensive ability. Both sides have made their arguments clear, and nobody agrees with yours. That’s fine to have the minority opinion, but every thread even tangentially related to Iannetta becomes “HEY THAT GUY’S A PHONY!” from you and it’s just tired.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on Jan 5, 2010 10:47 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
and they say there is no
group think here.
and I’m crazy to think there is a shut up or get in line aspect to the Row…..
by Redhawk on Jan 5, 2010 10:52 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't feel bad Redwawk
I was in your boat yesterday :-)
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 10:55 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
“Group-think” would indicate that it’s a philosophy that’s handed down from on high, which I don’t see at all. I’m sorry about your persecution complex.
It might help if your argument ever went beyond “HE HIT .225”
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on Jan 5, 2010 10:57 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
"Group-think"
means when the group is correct, and everyone must join in. It doesn’t have to be handed down, it can come from the masses….thus, “group”
by Redhawk on Jan 5, 2010 11:03 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone agrees Joe Mauer is a better catcher than Bengie Molina.
Is this some insidious groupthink, which stifles anyone who dares declare otherwise? No. We look at the numbers and base our conclusions off them. We don’t force anyone to believe Mauer > Molina. We just all agree.
It’s the same thing with Iannetta. The only stat where Iannetta is particularly deficient is BA. The writers on this site have argued quite convincingly that this is not the best way to judge his value. He has above average OBP, SLG, and defense, which more accurately reflect his value to the team. Most readers of this site have heard the arguments and side with pro-Iannetta camp. This is not groupthink, so please stop using the term.
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
by squalene203 on Jan 6, 2010 12:51 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I am an individual
And I assert my right to individually believe anything RockiesMagicNumber tells me.
Seriously, though, “groupthink”? Please. Could you be a teeny bit more respectful of your opponents’ ability to look at the evidence and make their own mind up? I’m not impressed with the assertion that we’re incapable of it, with you, Redhawk, the only one strong-willed enough to see through the propaganda.
by biondino on Jan 6, 2010 4:30 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Now any REAL rockies fan
will send a nice crisp $50 bill (or £50 as the case may be) to RMN’s PO Box because sabermetrics demand it
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 6, 2010 8:53 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
speaking as someone with little authority or influence...
I appreciate you offering a contrasting viewpoint, regardless of how popular (or unpopular) it might be.
Even for those who disagree with you, we’re all assisted by posts that make us think more about why we believe what we believe.
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Jan 5, 2010 10:51 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
(Chris Iannetta is god)=Bay of Pigs?
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by Russ Oates on Jan 5, 2010 10:33 AM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
(Olivia should be starting)=Cuban Missle Crisis?
The wholly expected follow up battle.
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Jan 5, 2010 10:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
where is muzia when you need him
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 10:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
In the other thread
Go get him
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 10:56 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
S/B Olivio
I swear it was a typo and not a slam!!
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Jan 5, 2010 10:42 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
McKenry = LBJ?
So we need an “Oswald”…
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 11:06 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
What about an Oswalt as in Roy
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 11:07 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
lee harvey "roy" oswald?
Purple Row: Take this personally
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 11:08 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
he can probably snipe from a roof tower
though we all know there were multiple shooters
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 11:09 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
So Oswalt will hit Iannetta in the head with a fastball… that will somehow ricochet off his head and move back and to the left to the on-deck circle, hitting Olivo, who is, I don’t know, about to pinch-hit or something. That sound right?
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on Jan 5, 2010 11:09 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
and then McKenry becomes starting catcher
gives some of his salary to fight poverty, and then promptly decides to retire from baseball
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 11:10 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
And then we sign a new catcher
who takes steroids but resigns before he has to actually take the test.
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 11:13 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
then the metaphor kinda peters out
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 11:18 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
What, we couldn’t find a catcher who also starred in football at Michigan?
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on Jan 5, 2010 11:19 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
pretty much
believe me, I looked
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 11:30 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
BOBBY ESTALELLA!!!!!
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there is a man on base.
by KDub1988 on Jan 5, 2010 11:21 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on Jan 5, 2010 11:23 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Now we need someone to hit him
Any nominations?
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 11:11 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure there are any Polish Jews from Chicago on the Rockies roster at present.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on Jan 5, 2010 11:16 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Hirsh would have worked too.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on Jan 5, 2010 11:18 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the welcome
I’ve been reading around for a bit on the site, but this was the first thing where I felt compelled to respond.
I had no idea the topic was so contentious. My only regret is that I based my spelling of propaganda on the the previous response. And, at least everyone knows where I stand in the “wars”.
by Mitchell Who on Jan 5, 2010 12:06 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If you ever have a couple hours to kill
Read this. Dark history in Purple Row
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 12:09 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
All of it happened while I was in my usual September/October baseball community disappearance.
I’ve only heard horror stories.
by WolfMarauder on Jan 5, 2010 12:10 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Why did you leave
Because of stuff like this?
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 12:11 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Indirectly.
September and October, especially during a tense playoff run, brings a lot of new posters (many of whom quickly become trolls), and a lot more activity.
PR is at its best for me when there aren’t 400 people commenting on one thread.
by WolfMarauder on Jan 5, 2010 12:13 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
good God that's an angry thread
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 12:42 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Drury came up in the conversation.
I wish I had been around to slap that myth around with a cricket bat.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 6:30 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It's really too bad it turned into such a disaster.
I’d be very happy if the community always found the integrity to continue the debate without the hostility. That didn’t happen in this case, but PR is still 99% more hostility free than most other sports communities online. So I hope you choose to stick around.
by WolfMarauder on Jan 5, 2010 12:10 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
it's very contentious because there's a lot of things simultaneously going on
attacking individual methodologies of evaluation of baseball talent.
Iannetta walks a bunch, hits for power, but does not hit for a very good average
Torrealba has a tendency to get really streaky and get very timely hits, but rarely hit for power, and ended up with a decent batting average on the season.
So basically it came down to the embodiment of OBP/OPS/wOBA vs AVG and then clutch: exists or doesn’t
Everyone had an opinion, and it got personal pretty quickly.
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 12:11 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That was the first Rockpile I posted in
I thought to myself “this is nuts. Is it like this everyday?”
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 12:13 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad you came back the next day and saw that it wasn't.
by WolfMarauder on Jan 5, 2010 12:14 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually it was for like a week
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 12:15 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't constant for a week.
It just always kept finding its way back somewhere.
by WolfMarauder on Jan 5, 2010 12:17 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Basically until the end of the playoffs it was constant on and off. I actually like it. Not the name calling stuff but the Saber/Traditional fan debate. I’m kind of in the middle so I can sort of see both sides.
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 12:20 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, the debate is great.
9 times out of 10, debate (even serious debate) goes well here. That extra 1, despite being a small amount, still disappoints me.
by WolfMarauder on Jan 5, 2010 12:21 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
today's debate was awesome
RIR is wrong on all counts, of course, but it was still awesome
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 12:22 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that was pretty epic
Oh and being wrong on all counts is pretty impressive in some way. Being wrong all the time is not easy, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 12:26 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
just for the record
I don’t necessarily think the 8-team alignment is really a good idea either, just something to play on OOTP
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 12:31 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey if the Rockies
could get the Pads, Pirates, and Royals in their division I’m all for it.
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 12:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
dude the Pads will find a way to beat us
you know this!
stupid padres…
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 12:41 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It's all Rox Girl's fault
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 6:05 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
this is just plain
funny.
the catcher wars were lost today. wait and see…
by holidayelsie on Jan 4, 2010 11:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, welcome btw
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Jan 4, 2010 11:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the welcome
i can be friends with folks who make fun of quintanilla and helton and who are sure that ianetta will magically do something this spring. thanks for the great reads you bring, supremely individual as they sometimes are.
by holidayelsie on Jan 5, 2010 12:05 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Just because you don't understand how OPS works doesn't mean it's propaganda
it’d be a shame for you to vanish because you don’t like a stat I use.
Seeing how I’m the STATS GUY might slant this discussion more as well. RG might be willing to provide a more balanced analysis or something, but I don’t think I leapt off of any cliffs of reason here.
Just for the record, Jayson Stark, Rob Neyer, Jon Heyman, and many other very reputable and public baseball writers will happily cite OPS. It’s the way things work now, and Purple Row isn’t some bizarro land and/or the only website that cites such metrics as OPS and wOBA.
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Jan 4, 2010 11:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand OPS
and really, you and others seem to think that I’m too dense to understand your complex braniac stuff. I have two college degrees, run my own semi-successful business, and have been around baseball all my life. I get the number. I know where what is trying to measure.
But this article you care more about the name on the back of the jersey than the one on the front. Fine, but why try to take mediocrity, and try to tell me it’s gold? One that you don’t want to face competition, cause his greatness wouldn’t be able to be out other mediocrity.
Are you so blinded by your fancy numbers you can’t figure this out: Chris Iannetta 225lbs. 09 BA: .228? And then you wonder why he couldn’t start? If Iannetta was say at .250, and then you said, but wait, there’s more here, cause of his OPS is pretty good, and I would agree you have a point. Or if you had Christian Guzman, and said, yeah he’s hitting .300, but his OPS is pretty bad so he’s not bringing as much to the table production wise as say another guy, that again is an arguement.
OPS is not the only measure of hitting…..and when anyone tries to tell me that a guy that barely hits his weight, is some how great, I don’t care how you sell it….it’s propaganda. And I feel I’ve walked into a Bizzarro world.
by Redhawk on Jan 5, 2010 9:19 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
How about this for a compromise
Can we look at their OBP? I mean Torre had an OBP of .351 while CDI was close behind at .344. Do you think its fair to say that CDI made up for his poor average by walking a bunch and getting on base just about as often as much Torre?
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 9:31 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
"you and others seem to think that I’m too dense to understand your complex braniac stuff."
Pigheaded, not dense.
by biondino on Jan 5, 2010 9:36 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
So,
you would rather, I say,
Oh, you all are correct…..guys that can’t hit their weight ARE good hitters. Thanks!
You would rather, I give into the group think, even if it’s not right? Go along to get along, huh? sorry, but I’m stronger than that.
by Redhawk on Jan 5, 2010 9:39 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
he weighs over 804 pounds?
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 9:41 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
which brings us to the
a walk equals a hit stat. yeah, it’s a stat that again shows textural depth.
I’m not saying Torrealba is great. In fact I’m not debating him at all, just Iannetta’s greatness that can’t stand having competition. I’m saying he was mediocre too. On a scale of 10, I’d score him a 4.5. Iannetta…a 4.5 as well. They just brought different stuff to get the same score
by Redhawk on Jan 5, 2010 9:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
it's the "doesn't make outs" stat, not the "walk = hit" stat
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 9:46 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the spelling on Twomato
but no, they’re not the same thing. One is saying that a walk equals a hit, which I’ve exclaimed about 3247230287423 times that a walk does NOT equal a hit most of the time (and the times it does are like a bases-empty single or a walkoff walk), and the other simply says “this person created a baserunner in some way shape or form, nevermind who was on base or what the situation was, and thereby did not create an out, prolonging the inning” – the latter is what I and most other statheads will fully and openly claim is what OBP is.
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 9:51 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
See here is what I don't understand
On one hand you don’t think a walk is a s good as a hit but on the other hand you don’t want to reward CDI for his awesome 18.06 HR per at bat clip he had last year. If your arguement is that a hit is better than a walk then surely you think a HR is much better than a single or a double right?
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 9:52 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
yes
but here is my real issue with guys with low BA’s and high home runs or slugging.
There are 162 games. If they are really only doing something productive, once every 8 games or so, then what are they doing to help the team the other 7? I DO prefer a guy that gets a hit (in what ever variety it might be in) every 3 AB’s (which would be once a game, every game) than one that gets one home run once a week. Now if that guy can make it a Home Run once every 3 ab’s that would be amazing (and the MVP of MVPs).
Low BA, high K’s and Home Runs use to be a sign of very selfish player. He’s not help the team in enough games.
by Redhawk on Jan 5, 2010 9:59 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
walks are productive
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 10:06 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the thing though
A HR is probably two or three times more productive than a single. So even if he’s only being productive lets say 70% or 80% as often he is still more productive in the end because each one of his hits meant more
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 10:15 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
why does everyone assume "Hit" means "single"?
If Iannetta for example would raise his BA, but keep his Slugging % at near his career numbers, he would be a very productive guy. He wouldn’t have to do it at .300 either.
by Redhawk on Jan 5, 2010 10:18 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's because the word hit is in "base hit" which is what
we say when somebody hits a single. When somebody hits a double we say they got a double but when somebody gets a single we usually say base hit.
But yeah if CDI improved his average he would be a monster at the plate. What we are saying is that he was still decent this year even with a low batting average because of his ability to draw walks and his rediculous power for a catcher.
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 10:25 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
"for a catcher"
is an important part of the discussion. Much less production is required offensively from that position to be considered solid, and Iannetta provides decent power and walks enough to be considered a good catcher.
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 10:28 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
For the record, nobody claimed him as "great" in 2009
You’ve been saying that since the end of September, and nobody has said that he had a fantastic 2009. He had a down 2009, but his down 2009 resulted in an OPS that was above league average. That’s right, an above average OBP and SLG. Those numbers aren’t fancy, they’re pretty much staples of any front office evaluation, and to think otherwise is simply denial of how baseball evaluation is done.
OPS may not be the only measure of hitting, which is fair enough, but OPS is built on AVG, and takes it to the next step, so while I’m not even remotely thrilled with a .228 AVG, I’m glad to see the periphery is still in good health (showing that he still has his plate awareness and isn’t in a power outage), so when his AVG rebounds next season – which it’s very likely to – the peripheral elements should still be in place, leading to a higher OPS. Nobody denies batting average is somewhat important, but to view AVG as the end-all, which seems to be the situation, is missing an awful lot of the evaluation.
That said, Bill James is projecting Iannetta’s bat to rebound to a .259/.370/.490 level this season. CHONE sees it somewhat similar, .256/.368/.460.
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 9:41 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
but, Home Runs and BA are different skill sets and approaches at the plate. If he raises his BA, and still keeps the same Home Run % than that would be great, but they usually don’t go together.
by Redhawk on Jan 5, 2010 9:51 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
SLG deals with doubles and triples as well
come on you know this
but yeah, to the other point, his HR/FB% is right on line with his career numbers, so that’s a good thing, and I hope it carries as well. It was actually even higher in 2008, his good season, and I hope he’s learned something from the ups and the downs.
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 9:53 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I know this
but in Iannetta’s case it’s really just measuring Home Runs, as he only had 16 doubles and 2 triples in 350 plate appearances last year.
by Redhawk on Jan 5, 2010 10:03 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem I'm seeing here
Is that you’re over-relying on BA. Not to pile on (too much), but you’re relying on one, fairly flawed, stat. Others are looking at a broader picture – not just OPS, but HR rate, wOBA, BABIP (at least implicitly) and such – to try to determine whether Iannetta is a valuable player. You seem to be only touting BA, which is a poor way to look at a baseball player, no matter how accurate a stat it is.
by controlled_slide on Jan 5, 2010 10:20 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Please do
Like I say, you throw out one stat and say “see, Iannetta’s bad”. Others throw out 5 and say “see, he’s not so bad”. Unless those 5 stats are horribly limited and context specific stats like “number of walk-off home runs in stretch-drive games when Rox Girl jinxed the closer earlier”, then you’ve got to provide more reasons that Iannetta’s worse than we think.
by controlled_slide on Jan 5, 2010 10:52 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
best. split. ever
because it washed away our indiscretions in threadmaking
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 10:54 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It's funny to think that if RoxGirl
didn’t piss off the baseball Gods none of this would have ever happened
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 10:58 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just pleased that everyone remembers it as just her
and not me in the slightest
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 11:00 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
She was the one who posted it though right?
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 11:03 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
well yeah
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 11:07 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Then the blood is on her hands :-)
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 11:08 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I could write and write
and yet you would dismiss it, cause somehow in bizarro-world guys that can barely hit their weight are good hitters.
The best arguement is “He’s not as bad as his average says”. But his BA says he’s pretty damn bad. Which is a LONG way from being great. Or clearly the best starting catcher for the Rockies in 09, which is my point.
yeah, BA is not the end all, but I do think it’s a good starting point, and better than other stats. The other stats add texture and depth where BA is more a baseline. Having more texture and depth is nice, but if the baseline number stinks….then adding texture and depth is just trying to shine a turd.
again, I think Iannetta is mediocre.
by Redhawk on Jan 5, 2010 11:00 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Now were getting closer
I would say Iannetta had mediocre season. Overall I think he will be very good, especially for a catcher.
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 11:06 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Feel like you’re taking crazy pills?
Trust me, so do the people who disagree with you.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on Jan 5, 2010 11:06 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Give me a chance to dismiss it
You’ve still only cited ONE stat. If one stat tells you something, but a bunch of others tell you another thing, then maybe there’s merit to what they’re telling you.
by controlled_slide on Jan 5, 2010 11:10 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
but the others
aren’t saying “great”. They are saying not completely sucky. And one stat is screaming completely sucky, and can’t be dismissed, just cause it’s inconvenient to the arguement.
by Redhawk on Jan 5, 2010 11:12 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
They're saying "above average hitter"
Which, for a catcher, is pretty good. And one is saying “maybe the one stat that says horrible is a product of bad luck.” They’re pretty chatty.
by controlled_slide on Jan 5, 2010 11:18 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I read it as
“Now that Iannetta has less to worry about from the other catcher on the team, he can focus on performing and not turning into a head case, and finally live up to the potential we have seen and be a great hitting catcher and solid defensively”
Caution: Colorado teams are better than they appear.
by ShadowPenguin on Jan 5, 2010 9:59 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Major dropoff in defense
Whoah, DINGERZ!
by alacy9513 on Jan 4, 2010 8:19 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
There was one striking sentence in the Denver Post article regarding the Olivo signing.
O’Dowd says, “I’m not sure I buy into the idea he’s not good defensively” Could that possibly mean that he reads PR?!?!? I dunno..but when I first read it that’s what I first thought of lol.
Remember old folks, I'm just 17 years old =]
by GoRockies!! on Jan 4, 2010 8:39 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
They totally read PR.
What if any influence on this comment we had… probably very little.
by WolfMarauder on Jan 4, 2010 8:41 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I know you're right
But don’t ruin the moment :-)
Say yes to 10 teams in a division and 6 teams in the playoffs.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 4, 2010 8:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If DOD had followed that up with...
“but WHOA DINGERZ!!!” we would no for sure :)
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2010 8:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
know....man..
typing fast at the airport….
see you guys later!!!!
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2010 8:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
back to San Diego....
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2010 8:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, right
Forgot that you were still in CO
by controlled_slide on Jan 4, 2010 8:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
no worries :)
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2010 8:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Bye
Flying back to SD?
Say yes to 10 teams in a division and 6 teams in the playoffs.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 4, 2010 8:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
yep..I'm kinda sad tonight...gonna miss my family :(
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2010 8:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Awwww
Say yes to 10 teams in a division and 6 teams in the playoffs.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 4, 2010 8:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
thank you again...
gotta run…
GO ROCKIES!
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2010 8:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
going to miss you Yorvit!!
time to move on though I guess, hoping for good things from CDI!
(my other car is a cdr)
by ejskater on Jan 4, 2010 8:42 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
wahhhhhhh!!!!!!!:((((
RIRF…insert sad face here please …..
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2010 8:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Say yes to 10 teams in a division and 6 teams in the playoffs.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 4, 2010 8:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
thank you very much....
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2010 8:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It's all about you SDcat :-)
Say yes to 10 teams in a division and 6 teams in the playoffs.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 4, 2010 8:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
well it's about dang time people started realizing that!!!
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2010 8:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm only one man
Say yes to 10 teams in a division and 6 teams in the playoffs.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 4, 2010 8:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
his 3 run jack off of Livan Hernandez in the rain is still on my external HD
man that was great
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 4, 2010 9:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else watching the "Home Town Classic" on FS-RM?
A game against the Braves from 2000. We don’t get 22-innings, but the description says I’ll get 12 (and a win)!
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Jan 4, 2010 9:23 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Gallaraga at te plate...
wearing an Atlanta uni. Grounds into a DP.
I can do a one-person game thread…don’t make me!
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Jan 4, 2010 9:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Helton 2nd IBB
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Jan 4, 2010 9:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
This just put the biggest smile on my face.
I was missing baseball today (more than usual.) I played baseball on my wii today, but lost 3-2 in a walk-off triple…
Saved by the buoyancy of citrus.
by coolopotamus on Jan 4, 2010 9:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
was it a bases clearing triple?
Say yes to 10 teams in a division and 6 teams in the playoffs.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 4, 2010 9:33 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
Score was tied, 2 outs, with a man on second >(
Saved by the buoyancy of citrus.
by coolopotamus on Jan 4, 2010 9:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Braves DP combo
is pretty good. Weiss and Furcal (at second)
JFK
by jrockies on Jan 4, 2010 9:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Bottom of the 9th...
baqs full of Rockies
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Jan 4, 2010 9:27 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Big Cat charges the mound after fetting hit in the top of the 11th.
Buddy Bell ejected.
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Jan 4, 2010 9:36 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Brent Mayne takes the mound
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Jan 4, 2010 9:37 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
It's THAT game?
I loved that game.
by controlled_slide on Jan 4, 2010 9:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I knowwwww.
This is just completely awesome.
Saved by the buoyancy of citrus.
by coolopotamus on Jan 4, 2010 9:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get FS-RM
I want to see this game :-(
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 4, 2010 9:54 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
yep
Petrick is catching…does taht make this on-topic?
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Jan 4, 2010 9:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
We were all so young back then...
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Jan 4, 2010 9:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I was still in elementary school
JFK
by jrockies on Jan 4, 2010 9:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Just checked Baseball Reference
I turned 17 3 days before this game.
by controlled_slide on Jan 4, 2010 9:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I was 12
1 month and 4 days before this
JFK
by jrockies on Jan 4, 2010 9:54 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, all you young 'uns.
I graduated from college that year.
by holly96 on Jan 4, 2010 9:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, man.
I really, really wish I had FSRM right now. Especially since this football game is pissing me off.
by holly96 on Jan 4, 2010 9:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
Except for the football game. Not watching it. Much.
by controlled_slide on Jan 4, 2010 9:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
pick-off move!
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Jan 4, 2010 9:41 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Mayne shakes off the call from the catcher
HAHA
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Jan 4, 2010 9:43 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
"I don't throw gyroballs, mmmmkay?"
Saved by the buoyancy of citrus.
by coolopotamus on Jan 4, 2010 9:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
i just noticed your sig
win
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 4, 2010 9:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, likewise.
Now all I need to do is contact sbnation and have them change my name to coolopotamus. If I’m going to be a mitch hedberg joke, I should make sure I’m a correctly spelled one.
Saved by the buoyancy of citrus.
by coolopotamus on Jan 4, 2010 9:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
do it, I'm sure they'll do it for you
Purple Row: Take this personally
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 4, 2010 9:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Neifi Perez leads off with a single
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Jan 4, 2010 9:47 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Helton moves him to 3rd!
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Jan 4, 2010 9:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
2 out
Rox at the corners
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Jan 4, 2010 9:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
IBB to load them up
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Jan 4, 2010 9:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Melhuse on deck
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Jan 4, 2010 9:50 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
This game makes me Laugh
That was awesome
JFK
by jrockies on Jan 4, 2010 9:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
And he gets his first hit
to win the game. Woo!
Saved by the buoyancy of citrus.
by coolopotamus on Jan 4, 2010 9:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Nerds.
(I was watching it too. Firs time I’d ever seen that game.)
by WolfMarauder on Jan 4, 2010 10:01 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
yay for pretend gameday threads
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 4, 2010 9:51 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I miss living in Denver
I'm addicted
by arpagamos on Jan 4, 2010 9:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah!!
looks like we get get Mayne reminiscing next
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
by RdRnnr on Jan 4, 2010 9:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
And now
I’m watching Field of Dreams. What a day for baseball
JFK
by jrockies on Jan 4, 2010 10:13 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
ticket buying...
…question settled
keeping rafa had me thinking we might buy some kind of regular tickets. now, thank goodness, i waited.
good luck olivo and anti-torrealba fans…
by holidayelsie on Jan 4, 2010 11:31 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
<img src=“”http://tinypic.com" target="_blank">
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I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 4, 2010 11:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If you keep making that face
eventually it will stick that way.
by alacy9513 on Jan 4, 2010 11:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
These faces take up the entire screen. Baahhh,
by WolfMarauder on Jan 5, 2010 12:00 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
They are no bigger than SDcat's sig :-)
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 12:01 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
because....you're not going to buy them now? I'm a bit lost.
Purple Row: Take this personally
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 4, 2010 11:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
and now that i realize...
that i thanked someone else’s welcome…
it is propaganda …because …well ….do you use actual game-watching to triangulate your the validity of your ianetta-love-statistics?
by holidayelsie on Jan 5, 2010 12:13 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
pfffff who WATCHES baseball anymore
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 12:19 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
but seriously, the whole "Stats guys don't WATCH the game!" is a pretty classless shot there
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 12:22 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a really silly point too
I mean what do they think you do during the game. Just examine a box score for three hours?
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 12:31 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The ellipses made me think it was a sarcastic post. But maybe not.
by WolfMarauder on Jan 5, 2010 12:34 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
the jargon has me leaning the other direction
but holidayelsie is welcome to refute their words
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 12:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
holidayelsie is welcome full stop.
My ex used to make fun of me for watching a TV channel that didn’t have the rights to show any actual games, but would report on the soccer scores across the country and give updates from individual games, news of goals, injuries, red cards etc. Which is basically what RIRF is suggesting :)
by biondino on Jan 5, 2010 4:00 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Man City 3 - 1 Scunthorpe
Excellent
by djmbluemoon on Jan 5, 2010 4:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Well not exactly
That’s scoreboard watching which I would put in a different category. I was picturing someone sitting there watching MLB gameday when they could be watching the game on FS-RM instead and watching the results come in pitch by pitch.
/“Wow!!! CDI took 10 pitches that at bat and didn’t swing at anything out of the zone. One more walk today and his OBP will go over .380. That will teach those yorvit lovers who valuebatting average”
I don’t think anyone is in this category. Or at least I hope not.
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 6:12 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s a good article that might spark some debate. Best and worst GM’s and the imbalance between the AL and the NL.
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 6:44 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
I can't believe Jim Hendry didn't make the list of worst GM's as comments
in the article pointed out.
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 6:46 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they have the two NL West GM's mixed up
So true RIR, anyone who signs Alfonso Soriano for $17M/YR over 8 years and lets him and Milton Bradley (bad sign too) fight the clubhouse and the public like angry sisters. Poor Cubs fans, at least they have Sweet Lou, so that has to count for something.
I have a hard time thinking Josh Byrnes has done a great job seeming how zona has done nothing but sink since 07 and this offseason they certainly didn’t get better. And the Giants strength is their pitching and Sabean helped build all of that. I guess people just look at how woeful SF’s offense is and say he’s doing a bad job but I think he has done a good job giving the Giants a chance to compete heading in to most seasons.
The only problem i would have with Sabean is why didn’t he sign Adam Dunn last off season? I’m happy as heck he’s not a Giant but for their needs I think he would have been perfect, plus he’s the type of hitter that make any park look small and that’s what they need in that park.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there is a man on base.
by KDub1988 on Jan 5, 2010 8:48 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The way I look at Sebean
is that he has done an excellent job at building talent within his organization (at least pitching talent) but has done an awful job with signing free agents so I think it’s a mixed bag with him.
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 8:58 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I can somewhat get on board that
I’m p sure Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez, and Bumgarner are all homegrown
but it doesn’t speak much for the rest of the roster who came from the farm
well, the rest of the roster not named Posey or Sandoval.
Then again, I’m also biased by our 900% homegrown squad though
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 9:12 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Article Find
Thanks for posting that article RIR, that was interesting
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there is a man on base.
by KDub1988 on Jan 5, 2010 8:49 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
No problem
I actually thought about waiting and posting it in today’s Rockpile since it will probably get lost in here.
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 8:59 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m absolutely delighted that I live in a world where somebody won’t buy Rockies tickets for 2010 because Yorvit Torrealba isn’t on the team anymore, and that somebody isn’t Yorvit Torrealba’s wife/sibling/parent/cousin/road beef (presumably). Because that means more tickets for the rest of us.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on Jan 5, 2010 8:29 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I feel bad for My Buddy
For naming his dog Yorvy and two years later will have to try to get him to respond to " C’mon Olivo! Over here buddy!"
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there is a man on base.
by KDub1988 on Jan 5, 2010 8:53 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
/dog gives confused look
______________________________________
/
wat u say
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 8:57 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
haha rec'd
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there is a man on base.
by KDub1988 on Jan 5, 2010 9:05 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you do a Google search
For “confused-looking dog”?
by controlled_slide on Jan 5, 2010 10:16 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think so, that or "confused dog"
dude seriously you’re starting to weird me out with your factchecking
Purple Row: Take this personally
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 10:19 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That was hardly fact checking
I just think your picture posting is funny. The mental picture of you thinking “I gotta respond to this comment about a confused dog. To Google!” makes me laugh. I didn’t actually do a search to see where you found it.
by controlled_slide on Jan 5, 2010 10:23 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
ohhh ok
but you gotta admit you’re riding me a bit hard lately :-/
.
(btw this is ENTIRELY tongue-in-cheek if you couldn’t tell)
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 10:25 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, you're an influential member of an important blog
We can’t have you making numerical errors.
by controlled_slide on Jan 5, 2010 10:27 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously, I'm just glad I can edit my articles when I do
Purple Row: Take this personally
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 10:27 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
and i am
still happy that i waited.
of course, you oversimplify. i oversimplified.
what has not been oversimplified is the iannetta love at this location.
the ridiculed will leave. have your way…
by holidayelsie on Jan 6, 2010 12:31 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
idgi
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Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Jan 6, 2010 8:55 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
How ironic that "Salio el Sol" by Don Omar just came up on my iPod
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 10:56 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
not half as ironic
as Metallica’s “Leper Messiah” off of “Master of Puppets”. That just started playing on mine…
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 11:17 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
well salio el sol was Torrealba's AB music in 2007
Purple Row: Take this personally
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 11:18 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
well CDI is a Leper Messiah with that BA
and you are the Master of Puppets here on PR
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 11:19 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I was an underling
Purple Row: Take this personally
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 11:20 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Master of Stats
I’m pulling your strings
I can make walks=hits with my spreadsheet
Blinded by BA
You can’t see a thing
Just believe my words ’cause I have OPS+
Master
Master
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 11:23 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
wow man
wow
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 11:26 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
it took me like 4 seconds
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 11:28 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
An opinion on Olivo from a fan who watched him all last year
Olivo was one of my biggest frustrations. The guy has legit MLB talent. Offensively, he’ll swing at everything. If it has a wrinkle in it, he will miss it. He sits dead red fastball and can not adjust to the outer edge of the plate. If you throw anything to the outer edge that starts in the zone and breaks out of it, consider it a swing and a miss. He does really well on the inner half, of course, as he is usually a dead pull hitter. He has good power that should get better at Coors and in the NL.
I read something about the speed he possesses above. He’s fast for a catcher. But he’s not a smart baserunner.
Defensively is where I went insane. He is perhaps the laziest defensive catcher in the league. You will watch passed ball after passed ball and wild pitch after wild pitch that you think, what was he doing there? I went to my share of KC games last year and in every game, I would watch catchers in pregame. Olivo made no effort to practice his blocking while several visiting catchers went through a few routines on blocking. And I wondered up until that point why he was so bad at blocking.
Olivo has a very strong arm from behind the plate. That is his only other positive. However, blocking the plate, he is not good. He’s one of those reach to catch, then reach back to tag type guys… he will allow several runs this year because he put down a poor technique on a tag.
Pitch calling is what made me hate the guy. I spent 4 years as a pitcher in college and several more years as a grad assistant/assistant coach there. I called pitches in tight situations. I had a lot of success because of the execution of my players. Olivo calls the stupidest game I’ve ever watched. His predictability will drive you insane. You’ll know just about every pitch coming a game. Especially if a pitcher gets ahead in the count. Greinke was a stud because no one could hit him any way. Teams that scouted ahead tore us up as a team.
There were night when my wife threatened to kick me out of the house and cancel the dish. So I had to learn to hold it in…
Anyway, he’ll do fine in Colorado. He’ll hit for power and throw runners out. He’ll call the worst game you’ve ever seen and do nothing for your pitchers blocking. Hopefully he improves those areas.
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by 306008 on Jan 5, 2010 12:00 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the report
Very enlightening. I hope that his game-calling improves. From what I understand, our catchers are pretty good at it. Hope that translates to Olivo.
by controlled_slide on Jan 5, 2010 12:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, seriously, thanks for this
Good to get some insider information.
Looks like we’re swapping blocked balls for an arm.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 12:05 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I'd prefer blocked balls
Torrealba caught 8/57 runners last year (14%), while Olivo caught 22/78 (28%). While Baseball Reference doesn’t have stats for wild pitches for last year (I don’t know why), Torrealba had 2 PBs, while Olivo had 10. And in ’07 (the last year where stats were available and # of games were comparable), Torrealba had 23 WPs, while Olivo had 51. And, to complete my comparison, in ’07, Torrealba caught 15/76 base stealers, with only 4 PBs, while Olivo caught 25/76 with 16 PBs. So, basically, we gain 10 bases in caught stealing, but lose 28 to wild pitches. And another 12 to passed balls. Man I hope Iannetta catches most of the games.
by controlled_slide on Jan 5, 2010 12:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice..
I like them kinds of stats.
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by Charlie77 on Jan 5, 2010 8:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a top notch report
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 12:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the update
This is where our catching coach, Mark Strittmatter, comes in. He is very good about working with catchers on footwork and he emphasizes it a lot. I’ve seen some of the drills he makes the catchers do before games and I like it. Maybe he can help Olivo in this respect. As for calling the game, I don’t know how to get him to improve other than to learn our staff and what works for us.
JFK
by jrockies on Jan 5, 2010 1:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you give me some of those catching drills?
At least what it looked like they were doing? I’d like to compare it to my Royals pregame “rituals” that I can see from 2 hours before game time to game time.
When in doubt, throw the slider it seemed for Olivo. He has no idea how to use a pitchers change either… but hopefully your catching coach fixes some things.
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by 306008 on Jan 6, 2010 9:16 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
From what I've seen
Strittmatter takes the starting catcher off to the side before he starts throwing (or just after) and throws about 20-30 balls in the dirt that he has to block. I don’t think there is anything tricky about these (they all look like fastballs) but they cause the catcher to move a little left, a little right and use his footwork to make sure he is down and in front of the ball. I know he does another with the catchers but I cannot think what it is right now.
JFK
by jrockies on Jan 6, 2010 9:35 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
First post
….I’ve been observing the posts here on Purple Row for quite some time. Just haven’t posted myself. As per the suggested guidelines on PR I am making my first post in a thread rather than in a fanpost. I’ve been posting at MHR but….it’s a bit tense over there. Yep. Quickly a lil about me. I am a homosexual fanatic sports fan who loves the Rockies and obscure music references. Apparently this combination means I can only vote in Canada.
As far as Olivo….I’m kinda meh on the issue. He’s a backup. I hope he pushes CDI into a better year. He needs it methinks. Oh….and The Catcher Wars was extremely entertaining for someone who feels he has no emotional stake in the issue. You guys really went after each other.
by jpage78 on Jan 5, 2010 12:48 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to the Row
You’ll love it here.
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 12:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
it was pretty brutal wasn't it
but welcome
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 12:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
thank you
I need a tutorial on Sabermetrics (sp?) and the like. I see these posts with stats and my eyes glaze over and I briefly become what can only be described as a zombie from Dawn of the Dead.
by jpage78 on Jan 5, 2010 12:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
ok here's what I'm gonna have you do, if you're interested
read these
http://www.purplerow.com/2009/8/19/994827/statistical-metrics-and-what-we-do
http://www.purplerow.com/2009/8/26/1002479/statistical-metrics-ii-pitching
These two articles will get you a jumpstart, and then flip through the Counting Rocks archives if you want more detailed explanations. There are some links inside the articles as well.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 12:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Check out Big League Stew
They have a series on Sabermetric stats. Here’s their latest, on WAR. And there are links at the bottom for the rest of the series.
Plus, RMN and others have done good stuff on here, as I’m sure RMN will link.
by controlled_slide on Jan 5, 2010 1:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks to both of you!
One more thing about me….I loooooooove Seth Smith. He tailed off at the end of last season but he is my favorite Rockie….plus…I’ve been told I look like him. lol
by jpage78 on Jan 5, 2010 1:05 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
hey, they asked, alright?
I’m gonna link!
quit being mean to me
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 1:05 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Quit being so sensitive
Ooooh, I’m RockiesMagicNumber, ooooh, quit picking on me. Grow a pair pal.
by controlled_slide on Jan 5, 2010 1:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I will slap you so super hard
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 1:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
In all seriousness
I wasn’t making fun of you when I said that you’d link them. I said that because I didn’t want to look them up myself. They’re good articles, and worth linking.
by controlled_slide on Jan 5, 2010 1:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
very much so
honestly, RMN, just put those links in your sig for a while, at least until pitchers report. For all the newbies
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 1:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Put 'em there until the season starts
That’s when most of the noobs will show up.
by controlled_slide on Jan 5, 2010 2:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
good ideas
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I know
I kind of read it as “don’t worry, RMN will take any opportunity to link you to those articles” like I’m an Avon salesperson or something
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and also
Please please please bookmark Baseball Reference and Fangraphs if you haven’t already.
by controlled_slide on Jan 5, 2010 1:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Two of the most awesome sites ever
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf." - Tug McGraw after being asked if he liked grass or Astroturf better.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 1:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Have fun
Lots of time will be wasted there.
by controlled_slide on Jan 5, 2010 2:05 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
What happened at MHR?
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 1:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
iunno
The Catcher Wars was extremely entertaining for someone who feels he has no emotional stake in the issue. You guys really went after each other.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 1:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
With the rather....uhhhh...bad ending to the Broncos year
and the Brandon Marshall thing…people are kinda bitchy. Understandably I suppose.
by jpage78 on Jan 5, 2010 1:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Did the locals turn on each other?
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 1:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
ya....but they are just myopic enough to overcome it.
Things will get better. It’s time to look forward to a great baseball season.
by jpage78 on Jan 5, 2010 1:33 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Hi jpage78!
I think we were somewhat aligned over at MHR this past weekend….
Welcome to PR…
its much more calm here…generally
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 5, 2010 2:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude.
MHR is a cess pool. Most of the writers over there are pretty good but otherwise, that place drops your fan IQ points with every post.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 2:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
<3
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 2:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
ain't this guy great?
let’s keep him!
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by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 2:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
noes
MHH is my true love! You can’t take me!
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 2:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh. You mean not everything is about me?
My view of the world just got a lot sadder. Thanks for that.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 2:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
My job is done here.
/Exits Stage Left
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by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 2:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
/plays in traffic
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 2:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
"hmmmmm....alright, '94 buick tail lights, CHECK"
“aw, where are you going? Come on, your knight is in perfect position to split my bishops!
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Think you're better than me?
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 2:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:31 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
"reccin dis"
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 2:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You play my game, I play yours <3
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 2:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
i didn't realize arnasonstare.jpg
was your game
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't judge me.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 2:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
humor is to be shared and shared alike
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
aranastare...awesome
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 5, 2010 2:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
man I'm tired of these
CRIKKED STIK PUCKPUSHIN TYPEZ!!
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 5, 2010 2:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you hate me =(
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 2:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't hate you!!!
you have the best comment ever in SBNation..
I just like razzin you
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 5, 2010 2:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, you.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 2:41 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
your sig is really getting ridiculous
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 2:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Only when threads move over here.
Then it’s a damn novel.
I can’t believe people get so upset about a sig. If anything, it helps me pick out her posts.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 2:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
who needs an avatar or a handle
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 2:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so bummed
I didn’t choose (Name Redacted) as my handle. That would have been amazing.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 2:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
email sbnation
get it changed.
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 2:41 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I like mine.
It’s my online handle for everything, basically. I like consistency. If this wasn’t so well established as my persona, I’d be all for it.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 2:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
if I could say shitballs to the principal
I’d be soooooo happy
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, it's pretty long
TWSS
almost too long
TAWSS
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
IAWTC
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 2:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
girth vs length....is always the problem
with long sigs …..
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 5, 2010 2:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
so true
I go there just for the writing and ignore the community aspect of it.
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 2:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The community is so bad
that I honestly avoid it most of the time. I made an appearance in one game thread this year and spent the entire third quarter mocking one of the posters. It was awesome and I’ve rarely gone back.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 2:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah..
thanks for making me feel like a moron.
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by Charlie77 on Jan 5, 2010 8:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Hahahaha.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 10:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome Aboard
Stick around, learn a little bit and enjoy yourself
JFK
by jrockies on Jan 5, 2010 1:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
okay
you are Canadien, referenced Dawn of the Dead in your second post, and enjoy obscure musical references???
I think I found my new favorite poster!
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 1:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
you have excellent taste
lol….however I’m not Canadian….I was just pointing out the absurdity of me being a gay sports fan who likes obscure music references…..whos favorite musician is Jimmy Page. yeah
However I do enjoy Canada. Toronto is great.
I’m trying to think of an appropriate “Day of the Dead” reference here but I’m stumped. It will come.
by jpage78 on Jan 5, 2010 1:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
then we can agree on Toronto
and Jimmy Page isn’t really obscure…not like Golden Earring trivia
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by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 1:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Well....my second fave is Paul Weller
that’s pretty obscure!
by jpage78 on Jan 5, 2010 1:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
yep, you got me there!
J. Mascis and Steven Wilson are my top two
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by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 1:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
We've got a wave in the air
radar love
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I have been "drivin' all night"
with that song playing before. <3
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by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 2:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I love the bassline
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you ever ponder what songs you would have on the soundtrack for your life?
Like when you’re walking around or driving or whatever? I would definitely have Twilight Zone on there.
by controlled_slide on Jan 5, 2010 2:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
definitely Radiohead "Lucky"
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by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 2:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
"WHY CAN'T WEEEE BE FRIENDS"
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been watching the Dead series for the first time recently.
Just finished Diary of the Dead last week.
by WolfMarauder on Jan 5, 2010 2:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
that's a good one...
I think I like that one better than Land of the Dead. Still….Dawn, Night and Day are great movies
by jpage78 on Jan 5, 2010 2:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually not a great fan of Night of the Living Dead.
It may have been my least favorite, or if not, just ahead of Diary.
by WolfMarauder on Jan 5, 2010 2:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
*gasp*
composes self that’s ok. As long as you think Dawn is the best.
by jpage78 on Jan 5, 2010 2:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I need to see the new one Romero just made
the zombies riding horses western one
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by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 2:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't seen that...
… so it must be Survival of the Dead?
by WolfMarauder on Jan 5, 2010 2:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
he just finished it
limited release this spring? lemme check
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by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 2:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It was being shown last year, so it's been "finished" in some capacity for a while.
Just never released outside of special exhibition.
by WolfMarauder on Jan 5, 2010 2:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
US rights have been acquired
theatrical release “sometime” this year
/sigh
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by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 2:33 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I do.
But you’ll quickly learn that my film tastes are often diverse and unpredictable. Prepare to argue with me a lot about that when the posts go off topic. :)
by WolfMarauder on Jan 5, 2010 2:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
How dare you replace me as your favorite poster?
by WolfMarauder on Jan 5, 2010 2:05 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
you are on notice
until I watch Minority Report again
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 2:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome jpage
And don’t worry, you’ll have a vote here, we won’t export our fans to canada without a fight.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there is a man on base.
by KDub1988 on Jan 6, 2010 8:05 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Porcupine Tree right?
progressive….kinda like a cross between Pink Floyd and early Genesis?
by jpage78 on Jan 5, 2010 1:56 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
their earlier stuff, yeah
nice catch.
J. Mascis is Dinosaur Jr.
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by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 1:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
ahhhh yes!! Dinsosaur Jr.
That takes me back to my high school days! lol
by jpage78 on Jan 5, 2010 1:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
their new stuff since they reunited has been great
Beyond and Farm, both incredible albums.
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by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 2:01 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I will have to check it out...it's been years
If the Smiths got back together I’d die happy. Although I may be in the minority there.
by jpage78 on Jan 5, 2010 2:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
never gonna happen
Morrissey is a…
never gonna happen
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by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 2:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL....Morrissey is a prat
to quote my British friends. Love Johnny Marr though
by jpage78 on Jan 5, 2010 2:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely
Although Dashboard is quite a catchy song. That’s a very Marr riff.
by jpage78 on Jan 5, 2010 2:20 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Jibblekopf'd hardcore.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 2:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
anything after Lonesome Crowded and M&A is wasted time
I’m an old school MM fan
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by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 2:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
that's pretty old school for MM
Although I tend to agree that “creatively” they pretty much dried up around then
by jpage78 on Jan 5, 2010 2:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I just realized that I've completely hijacked this thread
Sorry folks. lol…..nice first impression eh?
by jpage78 on Jan 5, 2010 2:28 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
It happens constantly.
You think these threads hit 700 comments talking just about OPS and why Iannetta sucks?
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 2:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
let me ask you guys a pertinent question. How is it possible that catchers can raise the blood level so much? Is Yorvy’s passion infecting people?
by jpage78 on Jan 5, 2010 2:33 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Torrealba's empty batting average and "clutchiness" vs Iannetta's OPS
It’s the heart of the old school vs new school argument around here. Example #1
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by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 2:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think somewhere upthread I kind of listed a couple of reasons
it’s very contentious because there’s a lot of things simultaneously going on
attacking individual methodologies of evaluation of baseball talent.
Iannetta walks a bunch, hits for power, but does not hit for a very good average
Torrealba has a tendency to get really streaky and get very timely hits, but rarely hit for power, and ended up with a decent batting average on the season.
So basically it came down to the embodiment of OBP/OPS/wOBA vs AVG and then clutch: exists or doesn’t
Everyone had an opinion, and it got personal pretty quickly.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It's almost not about the catchers
It’s about the methodologies.
by controlled_slide on Jan 5, 2010 2:41 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
it doesnt help that Torrealba has endeared himself to us
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by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 2:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
the fact that they almost embody the extremes of both
makes it a bit of both, kind of blended, and then an extra shot of contention
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
HIS CLUTCHY-NESS OUTWEIGHS HIS LACK OF OPS
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 2:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thread hijacking is common here.
Generally, as long as it’s not interfering in other discussions, it’s not a problem. Though RMN may suggest you make an off topic thread. :p
by WolfMarauder on Jan 5, 2010 2:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
OFFTOPIC THRE-ah never mind nobody's listening
seriously though, it’s the offseason, it’s slow, I’d rather read about underground music than fight about catchers and stats.
During the season, be a bit more wary about going TOOOOO far off topic.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
so....for example....
During May I shouldn’t go off topic about my stunning new haircut and jeans?
by jpage78 on Jan 5, 2010 2:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
oh no
you absolutely should. But the conversation may revert back to Barmes’ slider-in-the-dirt-chasing quickly
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by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 2:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Hahahaha
Yeah right. Barmes always lays off that pitch. You’re funny.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 2:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 2:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!! Epic win
that made my sides hurt
by jpage78 on Jan 5, 2010 2:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
you'll get made fun of
but sure
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
awwwwwww.... :(
I bet I could help some of you with coordination……of colors.
by jpage78 on Jan 5, 2010 2:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Queer Eye for the SabrGuy? :)
I hope that was offensive…just playing
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 5, 2010 2:42 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
was NOT offensive!! yikes
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 5, 2010 2:42 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Hahahahaha
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 2:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
:(
I feel slightly sad now…
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 5, 2010 2:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
lol...I know you were teasing...
I offend myself sometimes…
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 5, 2010 2:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That....is true talent.
Or a massive identity crisis.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 2:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty easy for me.
I often offend myself.
by WolfMarauder on Jan 5, 2010 2:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
SDcat definitely doesn't like certain demographics as much as others
she’s known as a playa hata round here
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
well I'll just make fun of you
my mother dresses me.
my sister helps
I’m so completely helpless when it comes to dressing myself
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
band shirt + jeans + hoodie +avs hat
Easy.
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 2:50 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
omg
are you stalking me?
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 2:50 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
NO GO AWAY IS MY OUTFITNOT YOURS
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 2:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
/moar traffic
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 2:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
damn right
I had it first!
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 2:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
/wants MLB 09 The Show Back
Take THAT.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 2:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
HEY
my 18 year old 3B is OPS .793 right now at Tulsa! Let him be!
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 2:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'LL KILL HIM.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 2:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
pssh 010 comes out soon anyways
ROCKEFELLER!!!
by Muzia on Jan 5, 2010 2:58 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Which reminds me...
The Amazon pre-order expired =O
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 3:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
the key is to not listen to your instincts
If your instinct tells you to wear a neon red turtleneck sweater with blue jeans….don’t listen.
by jpage78 on Jan 5, 2010 3:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh oh...
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2010 3:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
There is such a thing as neon red?
JFK
by jrockies on Jan 5, 2010 3:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
i wear blue jeans errrvwr
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 3:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
it's ok to wear jeans....just not in combinaton with that red sweater
by jpage78 on Jan 5, 2010 3:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
even during the Christmas season?
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 5, 2010 3:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
holidays are different
I’m sure you’d wear something red and white….with some tasteful green
by jpage78 on Jan 5, 2010 3:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I typically wear darker colors
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 3:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry guys
I realized that I’ve taken this to a very stereotypically gay territory.
*lowers voice.
So….how about them Rockies?? They are all Manly Men….man…man stuff.
by jpage78 on Jan 5, 2010 3:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
No need for "man stuff" here.
Our team color is purple, for crying out loud. Plus, we need to keep our wide variety of Rowbot personalities. Post however you like, provided it follows the TOS. :)
by WolfMarauder on Jan 5, 2010 3:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Id just like to know
who Cambot, Gypsy, Tom Servo and Crow are in relation to the regular posters
by jpage78 on Jan 5, 2010 3:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs