Tuesday Rockpile: Rockies bring in first new face to the roster by signing Miguel Olivo
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 5, 2010 7:49 AM MST
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PrintThat's right: it is nearly three months into the offseason, and Rockies fans finally get to see a player new to the organization. Naturally, the big three Rockies beat writers dusted off their laptops to chime in with the story:
New Rockies catcher Miguel Olivo provides power, strong throwing arm to replace Torrealba - The Denver Post (Troy Renck)
Inside the Colorado Rockies " Olivo in, Torrealba out at catcher | Major League Baseball in Denver (Tracy Ringolsby)
Rockies ink one-year deal with Olivo | ColoradoRockies.com: News (Thomas Harding)
Yorvit Torrealba was priority number one in the catcher department. The Rockies were even reaching to the point of offering him the same years/money that Jason Kendall got with Kansas City, and he will be the unquestioned starter for the Royals. With Yorvit still somehow unhappy, Dan O'Dowd was forced to move to Plan B (I'm not talking about emergency birth control or the Mute Math song, though the thought of either is funny for some reason. Perhaps I'm adversely affected by the sulfuric emissions from hot springs...back on topic).
I wish Yorvit had come back. I really do, even considering it would spawn another year or two of catcher wars, so that suggests a lot of hope for his return. But it just didn't make sense to continue compromising while Yorvit's camp stood still. For those that think the Rockies should have done more to make Yorvit happy, it's not just I that feel quite the opposite. Note Tracy Ringolsby's first paragraph:
The Colorado Rockies tried to find a common ground in negotiations to bring back Yorvit Torrealba. Torrealba, however, was reluctant to make concessions, and the Rockies decided to move on.
O'Dowd states that the starter will be decided in Spring Training, so if you believe that quote, the signing doesn't mean Iannetta is the unquestioned starter as some have suggested. Still, his skill set more mirrors Iannettas, with a few more singles and the walks practically eliminated. I have a hard time seeing Olivo beating Iannetta at his own game.
Olivo carries two skills that far surpass Torrealba - power (he was 2nd to Joe Mauer in catcher home runs) and arm strength. His power, as is with most players, goes in spurts. Click here and sort by SLG.
Naturally, finances is another aspect of the deal. As Harding reported, it is a one-year $2mil deal with a $500k buyout and $2.5mil option year. This is a perfect structure if the Rockies are hoping for Mike McKenry to arrive in 2011.
The Rockies may have downgraded their catcher position slightly, but with all the cards on the table, this was undoubtedly the right move. I think I wrote that a couple weeks ago.
More links after the jump.
Giants Sign Juan Uribe: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com
San Francisco has finally inked the former Rockie after weeks of redundant rumors that a deal was close. The deal makes sense, as Uribe is coming off a career year and is solid insurance in the infield.
La Russa says deal or no deal this week - STLtoday.com Tony La Russa does his best Howie Mandel impersonation, suggesting Holliday take the money or move on to someone else's suitcase.
Pitching prospects who might be keepers
Harry Pavlidis of Beyond the Boxscore waded through all the stats to find four keys to evaluating the staying power of a minor league pitching prospect. Presented at the Hardball Times, he looked for pitchers with over 700PA who stand out in:
Twenty-nine pitchers fit the bill, with Jhoulys Chacin and Juan Nicasio being the only Rockies appear. For the record, Christian Friedrich met the requisite number of PAs but his numbers fell just short of appearing.
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Savings...
That’s half a million dollars saved that can be spent on a relief pitcher or a utility fielder.
It was 29
Felt like 49 :-)
Here’s Friedrich’s line – he made the PA cut @ 709, just not quite there on the numbers
K100 – 161
BH100 – 99
GB – 97
HRFL – 96
typo
Thanks. It seemed like 49 to me too. I guess my mental arithmatic needs polishing. I had 609. I’m surprised he didn’t make the cut
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 5, 2010 8:51 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Hey PF
Please don’t have articles where the title starts “Rockies bring in first new face to the roster” and then have a picture that includes Zack Greinke next to it. Even though I knew of the Olivo signing yesterday and am aware that giving away Grenkie is beyond a level of stupidity that even Dayton Moore can reach, I still almost fell off my chair from excitment when I saw that. (A little ambitious I know but I just can’t help myself when it cames to the Rockies)
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 8:44 AM MST reply actions
hahahah
“Rockies acquire one of the two guys in this picture – but probably not the one you wanted”
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 9:08 AM MST up reply actions
That would have been an awesome title
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 9:18 AM MST up reply actions
Did we ever learn the exact details of the deal Yorvit wanted
I remember reading 2 years/6 million (3 million per year) but can’t remember if that was official or just speculation.
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 8:51 AM MST reply actions
Renck has some details
After bridging the gap on the amount of money — the club agreed to $6 million over two years — the discussions fell apart on how the contract would be allocated. The Rockies wanted Torrealba to have a lower base salary with a $750,000 buyout while Torrealba preferred higher base salaries and $250,000 buyout.
A few questions:
1) If DOD is saying that the starter will be determined in ST, wouldn’t that likely lead a player to think he has a shot at starting? (not rhetorical, looking for opinion)
2)Was the $6 million request from Yorvit reasonable as that is what other catchers are getting, if he is operating under the assumption that he has a good a chance at earning the starting spot?
3) Was Torrealba’s contract allocation requirements unusual? Do other players or catchers request similar payout structures?
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Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
My opinion
1. Technically yes but CDI is the future everyday catcher and the organization probably still thinks that way. But I don’t think Tracy is comfortable at all just handing it over. As much as I love CDI, I don’t think he’s earned the starter job without any threat of competition (unlike for example Tulo).
2. $6M/2y was very reasonable considering what other catchers have signed for so far this off-season but I don’t think he was expecting a true starter job here, majority of split time at best. I do hope he isn’t the odd man out in the catcher market this year and he finds a good home where he can get a lot of time.
3. I don’t think it was that unusual, there’s typically discussion of those types of details or frontload vs backloaded contract. The rockies already gave quite a bit of ground in the negotiations from what I’ve read and unfortunately Torrealba didn’t. I have a feeling he and his agent thought the interest from the Mets/Giants gave him a better position to negotiate from. He also probably preferred a team with a better chance to start often vs what he would with the Rockies in 2010.
1. Yes. Olivo may not have been willing to accept if he didn’t have a shot. The catching market in terms of teams looking for a STARTING catcher is basically NYM and SF, and in the case of the latter, only temporarily until Posey gets it going. However, I’m sure Olivo is also more than aware he could very easily wind up in the bakcup role behind Iannetta.
2. It was reasonable in terms of market price, but one could argue that the market price itself is unreasonable (which I do).
3. I’m sure there are many situations about positioning these elements of the contracts in a preferred way by either side, but they usually aren’t responsible for the collapse of a deal like this one.
by Greg Stanwood on Jan 5, 2010 10:33 AM MST up reply actions
Ivan Rodriguez's deal still blows my mind.
by Greg Stanwood on Jan 5, 2010 10:37 AM MST up reply actions
Jason Kendall hits the ball so hard
it travels around the earth only to land back in the stadium and roll slowly to SS
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 10:50 AM MST up reply actions
oh btw russ made a history reference in the thread below this one
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 11:01 AM MST up reply actions
I approve of the deal
I think everybody else on Purple Row does too. Now with that half million dollars in savings lets make a run at getting Johan Santana from the Mets. jk
Lets re-re-re-sign Josh Fogg a.k.a. Dragon Slayer!
Making facetious trade rumors since 2012AD
not everyone I'm afraid
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 9:47 AM MST up reply actions
ugggh i hate fistpumps
not specifically yorvit’s, but like papelbon’s, krod’s, valverde’s I completely hate, and yorvit’s just get lumped in
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 9:56 AM MST up reply actions
So
you especially don’t like the fist pumps of closers (and their battery mates)? Simple ones are fine but the screaming and facial expressions showing looking like they just did the impossible are kind of annoying.
JFK
ok fine fair enough
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 10:51 AM MST up reply actions
Yorvit's is a different world
from the three you listed. Yorvit only does it when something awesome happens. Those closer fistpumps are just for show and completely obnoxious
ROCKEFELLER!!!
agree with your analysis of Yorvit's fistpump effectiveness rating...FPER?
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Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Is that league or ballpark adjusted?
wFPER+?
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
I don't the league or ballpark is a factor
maybe clutchiness could be another measure
wFPER+CL ?
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
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Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
well, LI is a measure of how tense a situation is, in terms of game-changitude
but you might consider making the fistpump rating on a per-clutchification basis
or
wFPER/CL
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:14 PM MST up reply actions
It's already been discussed but I don't like the high leverage measure
for clutch situations.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 2:17 PM MST up reply actions
which is why we're using Clutchification instead
(remind me why you don’t like high leverage)
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:21 PM MST up reply actions
I just think all situations are different
Sometimes the team has momentum (and the player is just adding on), sometimes it doesn’t, somtimes you need a single, others a HR, some clutch hits come in April, others come in September. That sort of thing.
I feel like when watching a game that it has a pulse. Sometimes you can feel a close game turn with a base hit after a good at bat. Other times it doesn’t feel as significant. I don’t know it’s weird.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 2:31 PM MST up reply actions
oh absolutely, I agree with you
do you understand WPA and LI and such?
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:41 PM MST up reply actions
I understand WPA
It’s when you get to WPA/LI that my understanding of it kind of falls apart.
I like WPA. I think it’s a good measure of how much a player actually helped you win games based on real in game situations. (Too bad it can’t really predict anything though) I wouldn’t call it clutch, (nor do I think that’s what it’s trying to measure) but it’s at least in the same zip code.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 6:32 PM MST up reply actions
I don't understand it completely either, so don't think I'm coming down on you
I figured WPA would do enough by itself without having to factor in LI, but I need to study it more before I can even begin to cite it.
And even if I do cite it, it’s specious as it is, a lot of people don’t support the idea of leverage (ie, batter hits a 2 run shot in the 8th to give his team the 1-run lead, but if he’d not grounded out in the 4th his team might already have the lead – just as an example – so why reward him for failing earlier and succeeding later?)
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 11:35 PM MST up reply actions
I'm disappointed that you don't know everything about every stat.
I thought you were our numbers guy. :-)
I think a big thing with all the leverage stuff too is that fans are going to remember what they want to remember. They need a hero and a goat and if the numbers don’t show that there is one, people will find one. For instance, Red Sox fans almost single handedly blame Bill Buckner for losing the 1986 World Series while in reality it’s probably the most overrated play in baseball history. To completey blame Bill Buckner means that you are ignoring everything else (and there was a lot) that happened that inning to allow the Mets to tie the game and it’s also ignoring the fact that the Red Sox had a three run lead in game 7. But to most baseball fans, Bill Buckner and the 1986 World series are linked like salt and pepper. A lot of this hero and goat stuff probably won’t ever be found in numbers because it’s largely created by the fans who watch the game. It’s not really correct but at the same time it’s part of what makes baseball fun. Every great story needs that hero and that goat.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 6, 2010 6:30 AM MST up reply actions
well, that's why WPA rules IMO
because the goats are goats and the heroes are heroes. All them big hits are accounted for.
Here’s an example. Ryan Howard, Mr Big Hit Ribbie himself, was 19th in the majors (tied with Tulo) at a .393 wOBA. However, he was 4th in the majors in WPA, having added 6.03 wins to the Phillies in that regard.
I like it because it is kind of a quantification for “this guy really changed games” or whatever, but I dislike it because it has no predictive value whatsoever.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 6, 2010 9:00 AM MST up reply actions
I actually like Valverde's fistpumps..
… if only because he is the most intense player I’ve ever seen, and that just adds to the legend.
by Greg Stanwood on Jan 5, 2010 10:35 AM MST up reply actions
He's like the guy in that Staples commercial who freaks out every time he sees a low price...
… which is every item in the store.
“OMG A LOW PRICE!”
“OMG A LOW PRICE!”
“OMG A LOW PRICE!?
…
“OMG I GOT A SAVE!”
OMG I THREW A STRIKE!"
OMG A BASEBALL!"
by Greg Stanwood on Jan 5, 2010 10:36 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
I think the stuff that annoys me the most is those
choreographed dance moves the Mets, specifiacally Jose Reyes did after a big hit a few years ago. I hated that.
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 10:40 AM MST up reply actions
I remember a bunch of Rowbots got upset earlier in the year when James Loney and Russell martin did a chest bump.
That sort of thing just doesn’t offend me. I’m cool with any kind of hyperbolic celebration, as long as it doesn’t involve taunting.
by Greg Stanwood on Jan 5, 2010 10:42 AM MST up reply actions
See I don't have any problem is the celebration
is all in the moment. I just hate it when a player prepared something to do after they made a big play.
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 10:47 AM MST up reply actions
I seem to recall the Brewers did something similar.
If memory serves, Prince Fielder hit a walk-off home run, and as he came home he jumped down on the plate and all of the assembled players fell to the ground in a clearly choreographed move. Bush league, if you ask me.
by Foxhole Atheist on Jan 5, 2010 10:42 AM MST up reply actions
haaaaated itttttttt
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 10:51 AM MST up reply actions
I hated it also
Only with fewer As and Ts.
by controlled_slide on Jan 5, 2010 10:54 AM MST up reply actions
Also hated it
but the fact that they beat the Giants led me to forgive and forget.
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
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by Hollidayrain on Jan 5, 2010 12:28 PM MST up reply actions
So you hate closer's fist pumps?
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 10:37 AM MST up reply actions
Nevermind
Should have read below
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 10:37 AM MST up reply actions
Coffee is for closers
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 5, 2010 2:18 PM MST up reply actions
fall out boy
or alec baldwin
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:22 PM MST up reply actions
Ketchup is for winners, Ted
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:24 PM MST up reply actions
OMG
I know this is nothing to you guys but we might actually get the first snow day I’d have ever had in my working life!!
Are you getting the worst of it?
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 9:36 AM MST up reply actions
Well it's not arriving for another 9 hours or so but then it'll be properly heavy
My only worry is that something changes and it’s anaemic and little more than a nuisance!
I love snow so much. I spent new year in rural Wales in perfect sunshine and 6 inches of snow on the hills and valleys. Perfect.
I live near MAnchester
Today was the first snow day I have ever had……beautiful
Jeez that's heavy!
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by Hollidayrain on Jan 5, 2010 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
Wednesday Rockpile:
Miguel Olivo signs Treaty of Denver, ending Great Catcher War of 2009-10
by Foxhole Atheist on Jan 5, 2010 10:18 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
We shall shortly own the cities of San Diego, San Francisco, and Phoenix.
The 17-year siege of Los Angeles is going badly thus far.
by Foxhole Atheist on Jan 5, 2010 10:56 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
But we are making progress
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 11:01 AM MST up reply actions
One wonders how the siege would be going now
if JDLR hadn’t gotten hurt midway through that game in the last series.
/ahhhh repressed memories
by Foxhole Atheist on Jan 5, 2010 11:03 AM MST up reply actions
If you own San Diego..
what are you doing with Rockies fans who reside here ?
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Minor League teams
You will then have access to the Rockies minor league system, at which we will expect regular updates on what you see from our up-and-coming stars.
JFK
that's just mean...lol
I know why you are sending me to the minors….
because of my Hawpe luv…
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
boo!!!!
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Why wouldn't you want Rockies players near you?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf." - Tug McGraw after being asked if he liked grass or Astroturf better.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 1:34 PM MST up reply actions
I want good Rockies players near me :P
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Well
it is possible Tulo would have stopped in. SD could be our new AAA affiliate unless we want to move that to SF.
JFK
Okay fine...
play the Tulo card…as see how you work…
you win..
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
1 game of Tulo >>>>>>>> All other Rockies minor league player
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf." - Tug McGraw after being asked if he liked grass or Astroturf better.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 1:42 PM MST up reply actions
players with an s
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf." - Tug McGraw after being asked if he liked grass or Astroturf better.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 1:42 PM MST up reply actions
2 games of Tulo >>>>>>>> All other Rockies minor league players?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf." - Tug McGraw after being asked if he liked grass or Astroturf better.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 2:18 PM MST up reply actions
I've been lurkin' the board all winter.
I don’t comment much in the offseason because I just don’t pay enough attention to the financial aspect of the game to make very many intelligent comments. But now that college football season is over, the Rockies are regaining my full attention. :)
by Foxhole Atheist on Jan 5, 2010 10:43 AM MST up reply actions
Of course....
If it’s June and Iannetta is hitting .220 or so, the catching wars resume, just with different participants.
But let’s hope that doesn’t happen….
yeah we just got done with that in the Olivo signing thread
let’s not do this again please
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 11:36 AM MST up reply actions
"But let's hope that doesn't happen..."
Yes. This. Very much this.
by Foxhole Atheist on Jan 5, 2010 11:39 AM MST up reply actions
As Broncos coach, Josh McDanials, said...
“Hope is not a plan…”
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
this year that WAS the plan
/shakes head grumbles …wth
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Really though
How do you lose by 20 points at home to Kansas City? I mean they suck at everything.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf." - Tug McGraw after being asked if he liked grass or Astroturf better.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 1:35 PM MST up reply actions
I'm happy KC won
I also find it amusing that Denver beat all 3 division teams on the road and lost to them at home. Just more funny for me.
JFK
That's weird
And aren’t they usually good at home?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf." - Tug McGraw after being asked if he liked grass or Astroturf better.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 1:43 PM MST up reply actions
not since Invesco came about....
seriously…
I think its cursed…lol
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
I thought only baseball teams and stadiums were cursed
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf." - Tug McGraw after being asked if he liked grass or Astroturf better.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 1:48 PM MST up reply actions
Nah, Invesco is cursed
For reals
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by ShadowPenguin on Jan 5, 2010 1:50 PM MST up reply actions
What caused it to be cursed?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf." - Tug McGraw after being asked if he liked grass or Astroturf better.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 1:56 PM MST up reply actions
My guess is the Re-Location of Bucky Bronco
Dumbest name ever….
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there is a man on base.
Well...
The first regular season game there, Eddie Mac broke his leg.
And then the next day was 9/11 :-(
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by ShadowPenguin on Jan 5, 2010 2:07 PM MST up reply actions
So I guess I dunno what directly cursed it
But bad things have happened
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by ShadowPenguin on Jan 5, 2010 2:08 PM MST up reply actions
I don't know though
I always thought that there had to be a root to the curse. Like the Red Sox sellin Babe Ruth or the Cubs not letting that goat into the stadium.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf." - Tug McGraw after being asked if he liked grass or Astroturf better.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 2:20 PM MST up reply actions
Bowlen blackmailing the city
and taxpayers into building a new stadium. I would say that counts as cursed…
also, the didn’t factor enough steel and motion to recreate Rocky Mountain Thunder
oh and didn’t name it Mile High Stadium
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The last one...
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
Yeah, I'm gonna go with the
“@ Mile High” part of the name.
They really should’ve named it Mile High Stadium, period.
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by ShadowPenguin on Jan 5, 2010 2:23 PM MST up reply actions
this times about 7000
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:24 PM MST up reply actions
Ah now I can run with it
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf." - Tug McGraw after being asked if he liked grass or Astroturf better.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 2:32 PM MST up reply actions
Ouch
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf." - Tug McGraw after being asked if he liked grass or Astroturf better.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 2:19 PM MST up reply actions
Yup
And the first game in Invesco was a Monday nighter against the Giants.
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by ShadowPenguin on Jan 5, 2010 2:29 PM MST up reply actions
Well
considering I don’t like the Broncos I did not recall that little bit of information. Thanks.
JFK
Don't like the Broncos?!? /gasp
Actually…yeah, rough season, I can’t argue >.<
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by ShadowPenguin on Jan 5, 2010 2:38 PM MST up reply actions
Ah, gotcha :-)
I hope the Chiefs get back on their feet and our rivalry picks up again. I can’t stand the Chargers at all, and the Raiders are brutes, but the Chiefs were always fun games.
I’ll always remember that nail biter between us with Elway and Montana, great game.
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by ShadowPenguin on Jan 5, 2010 2:44 PM MST up reply actions
I kind of hope
they can get back up too. They are fun to watch play against the other division teams because they seem calm and the fans don’t seem to want to kill everyone.
JFK
I don't hate the Chiefs at all
those duels with Schottenheimer were awesome….
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I hate the Chiefs
but it’s more of a respectful hate than me pure, homicidal rage towards the Raiders and Chargers fans (and QB and LBs).
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
I don't like the Broncos either.
But that’s because I don’t like football.
by Greg Stanwood on Jan 5, 2010 5:24 PM MST up reply actions
good, screw that place
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:15 PM MST up reply actions
not since Invesco came about....
seriously…
I think its cursed…lol
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I spent some time over at MHR
this weekend…and was that interesting….and scary.
I can only find one common denominator for their suckitude…..
but I’m not gonna say the coach’s name…:P
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The problem is that there was a similar level of suckitude
last year with a different coach. I refuse to make up my mind on a guy after one season. Especially in football, where things are far more dependent on schemes and the right players to execute said schemes than in other sports like basketball or baseball where that’s not so much a factor.
Yeah
I’m still not going to blame a certain coach for trying to stop the run with Ryan McBean, Ronald Fields, and Kenny Peterson. I mean it. Also, starting Mario Haggan, an increasingly overrated D.J. Williams, and Andra Davis makes stopping the run ridiculously challenging. Give it time. It might get better.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
Beyond the Box Score has an article on Hawpe
Nothing that hasn’t been discussed ad nauseam here but interesting.
and from what the FO has said and done this off-season, this seems to be the direction they’re heading:
I wouldn’t be remotely surprised if the Rockies relegate Smith to fourth outfielder status and use Hawpe as the primary right fielder and part-time first baseman, backing up the aging Todd Helton.
I still hope we trade some of the outfield depth towards depth in the infield. I don’t think the Cubs are player for Spilly any more with Byrd so I’m not sure what other viable trade options are out there for our infielders.
I still hope we trade some of the outfield depth Brad Hawpe towards depth in the infield anything.
by Greg Stanwood on Jan 5, 2010 10:39 AM MST up reply actions 6 recs
The FO seems to be moving away from that idea though
in which case I’d be happy to convert any of the depth into shoring up the infield.
I also don’t mean to completely discount the FO flipping Hawpe. Even if they want to make a trade, they certainly don’t want to make public statements that they’re trying hard to trade him.
I'd much rather just sign a Tatis type than trade away one of Fowler/Gonzalez/Smith, or even Spilborghs.
by Greg Stanwood on Jan 5, 2010 12:03 PM MST up reply actions
I think Tatis would outperform Ortmeier
but I wouldn’t mind the depth
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 12:12 PM MST up reply actions
I guess
it seems like the difference would be negligible to the point where the payroll savings/flexibility would be more worthwhile in my mind.
ha, bill james didn't even bother projecting Ortmeier for 2010
Tatis is projected by CHONE to be like .750 OPS tops, James is right in the same boat. That’s like a 96 wRC+.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 12:17 PM MST up reply actions
Geez so dead on. Lol
Remember old folks, I'm just 18 years old =]
by CentralCaliRox on Jan 5, 2010 11:52 AM MST up reply actions
can I not-rec....?
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Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
awwwwwwwwwwwwww
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 11:57 AM MST up reply actions
lol'd
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Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
how much time did you end up spending on that
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 12:06 PM MST up reply actions
2 minutes, tops
I don’t actually DO anything at work. Plenty of time to write Master of Puppets satire and lil’ images for SDcat
ROCKEFELLER!!!
trade me jobs
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 12:12 PM MST up reply actions
only during winter break is it like this
the rest of the year su-ucks.
Plus, I am looking for a new job anyway.
ROCKEFELLER!!!
unrec =/= not-rec
but it was a valiant and humorous effort…
I was thinking more like a thumbs down kind of thing
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Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
So people can make comments red if they don't like them?
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 1:18 PM MST up reply actions
that'd be cool...:)
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Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
but the sad face works...
although we’d have to distiguish between the sad face and the mad face for the reason
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Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
I'll need another face then
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf." - Tug McGraw after being asked if he liked grass or Astroturf better.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 1:36 PM MST up reply actions
lol your sig is "Amoebic" today...
and HILARIOUS
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Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
It's one of my favorite quotes of all time
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf." - Tug McGraw after being asked if he liked grass or Astroturf better.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 1:47 PM MST up reply actions
See this is where I kind of split off from the pack a little.
Do I think it makes sense to trade Hawpe? Yes. Do I want a Cargo/Dex/Smith outfield most of the time. Yes again. The problem is however that I don’t see many (if any) possible destinations for Hawpe that would make sense for the other team andbring the Rockies back good value. If the Rockies are not going to get a good value in a trade then I’d rather have the four outfielders as insurance from injury and slumps.
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 12:05 PM MST up reply actions
From rumors I've heard (on this forum)
There have been offers, but none taken. I don’t know whether it’s because they were really bad offers or because the front office really wants to keep Hawpe.
by controlled_slide on Jan 5, 2010 12:07 PM MST up reply actions
I just don't think there are many offers that make sense
The FA market is flooded with outfielders already. i doubt anyone wants to give up pieces to get an outfielder when they can just buy one.
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 12:13 PM MST up reply actions
But Hawpe is relatively cheap
And has a good bat. He’s worth a look for many teams.
by controlled_slide on Jan 5, 2010 12:14 PM MST up reply actions
He still has solid value with his bat
and I believe his below average defense would be mitigated by moving to a park with a smaller outfield. Add in the reasonable salary and I think plenty of teams would be happy to have him.
Regardless of whether Hawpe is kept, I’m still not convinced that we need five solid outfielders. Even when Brad was slumping and Smith was tearing the cover off the ball you didn’t see that much change (it did somewhat as the slump became extended though). In my view, having a fourth and fifth outfielder at the talent level we have just winds up being wasted on the bench.
Ok lets start here
What do you want in return for Hawpe?
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 12:41 PM MST up reply actions
Salary relief so we can sign another player
or salary relief to just dump some payroll?
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
Depends on the team
but my primary concern going into 2010 is shoring up the infield. Either replacing Barmes at 2B and he moving to super util, or picking up a utility guy who can help on the corners. I can think of several ways to fill it out, depending on who would be picked up.
Getting back a piece like that in a trade for Hawpe would be nice but if we shed his salary (and get a decent prospect or two) enabling the FO to sign a FA to fill the role that would make me happy. Trading someone like Smith would require getting that piece back in a trade which would be tougher.
Either way, I don’t want to see 1-2 talented outfielders sitting on the bench every day as was happening a lot last year.
Maybe Smith should start taking groundballs at 1B/3B :)
I think the starting infield we have is the one we are going to get
The question comes down to do you want a backup infielder or outfielder. I guess I just don’t see anything where I say “OMG I want that player”. If a better offer pops up, I would pull the trigger but I’m starting to prepare myself for Hawpe being here next season. And if he is, it gives us an incredable outfield because it protects us from injury and slumps (if Tracy uses the players correctly) It’s not a bad backup plan if you ask me.
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 12:59 PM MST up reply actions
Totally Agree
One thing I like about the Hawpe situation is the Rockies are making it clear that Hawpe will only go if he brings back a package that will have a higher value over this season and beyond and thats a high price considering this is an all-star from last season we’re talking about.
Another point I want to put out is that I really don’t see Hawpe’s name getting dragged into the mid-season trade deadline frenzy. Obviously if the Rockies are healthy at that point of the season and Hawpe is still in the position he’s in then offers will probably be entertained, maybe at a higher return then what they could get now depending on what teams are really desperate, but I’m glad to see the Rockies give the impression that whether it will happen or not, they’re not going to let the team be affected by it. It’s some what reminiscant to me of when Heldog was getting shipped to Boston a few years ago, and when it ended up falling through the Rockies moved on (per Helton’s request basically because he said he’ll do that trade but if it doesn’t happen he wants that to be the end of it) and it looks like thats the direction they’re taking now.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there is a man on base.
I agree that it's a great problem to have
and the reason I left Hawpe’s name out of my original post is because I didn’t want to focus just on him. I’m still not convinced that having two talented outfielders sitting on the bench protects much against slumps, at least if i’m going off of what happened in 2009.
I would prefer to have a true 5th outfielder (talent-wise) and an upgrade in infield utility. Trading Hawpe would just give the most flexibility in doing that, but I’d love to keep him around long term.
only difference I see
is that Helton’s more of a “franchise face” and Hawpe has far less to say about his future than Helton.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:18 PM MST up reply actions
Hawpe's younger
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf." - Tug McGraw after being asked if he liked grass or Astroturf better.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 2:21 PM MST up reply actions
ok thank you
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:22 PM MST up reply actions
Doesn't that mean he has more good years left?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 2:33 PM MST up reply actions
sure, if you want a guy who can't field a lick
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:41 PM MST up reply actions
While his fielding can't get much worse
so if he can keep pumping out consistant season ending ops and woba numbers then his value will not drop off. I think he can do it for another 4 or 5 years.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 6:35 PM MST up reply actions
true enough
the question is what value he’s providing as it is?
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 11:36 PM MST up reply actions
While I know WAR doesn't think it's too great
I think it penalizes him a little to much for his defense though. Any stat where UZR gets involved that much has me raising my eyes a little. I have favorable view of WAR in general, I just have to wonder if when you start getting into -40, -50 UZR territory if someone can realy be hurting their team THAT much defensivly
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 6, 2010 6:37 AM MST up reply actions
the thing is
I raise an eyebrow at UZR as well. However, RZR and FRAA concur with the results. He’s not good.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 6, 2010 9:01 AM MST up reply actions
watch Smith be like an elite 3B or something
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:16 PM MST up reply actions
He throws left handed, right?
It would take some serious acrobatics to be a lefty third baseman.
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
I'd be baffled if he ever played 3B as it were
so I might as well envision him as elite right
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:23 PM MST up reply actions
It would be better if he were an elite seconf baseman
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf." - Tug McGraw after being asked if he liked grass or Astroturf better.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 2:22 PM MST up reply actions
A little of both
I don’t think they project to be over budget, but I also think that as it stands now there isn’t alot of room to make any type of meaningful acquisition mid-season.
it'll depend on if we get 120 games out of Helton or what
This is why I’m glad Atkins is gone (all other evaluation aside) – it’ll force Tracy’s hand to play Hawpe at 1B as a backup.
Predicting we’ll see Smith take more innings at 1B than Hawpe this season.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 12:07 PM MST up reply actions
eh, it was meant to be more bitter
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 12:18 PM MST up reply actions
Unless
we sign a significantly better defender in the OF than Smith with the same upside with the bat I don’t want to see him playing 1B. Hawpe can move there allowing Seth to roam his natural territory.
JFK
That's true
I was meaning if Hawpe wasn’t here anymore.
by controlled_slide on Jan 5, 2010 1:13 PM MST up reply actions
Smith ain't bad though...
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:19 PM MST up reply actions
Due to my lucky connection with someone in the front office...
… I can definitely confirm that the interest in Hawpe is there (or at least it was several weeks ago, I suppose it may be too late now). They got calls about him from at least eight different teams, four of which I know were the Cubs, Mets, Red Sox, and Royals. Cubs and Red Sox are probably no longer interested.
by Greg Stanwood on Jan 5, 2010 2:22 PM MST up reply actions
Marlon Byrd is not better than Brad Hawpe
but don’t tell Jim Hendry that
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:23 PM MST up reply actions
I wish I could rec this twice
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"If the NBA were on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love were on channel 4, I'd watch the frogs, even if they were coming in fuzzy." - Bobby Knight
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
As for the Cubs, they were looking for Spilly to be their 4th OF, not their starting CF.
They could still be players, but it was the Rockies who hung up the phone, so Hendry has to call back.
by Greg Stanwood on Jan 5, 2010 10:40 AM MST up reply actions
Woot I'm 18!
Anyways, good deal to get Olivo. Now Tatis?? Or Hudson :)
Remember old folks, I'm just 18 years old =]
and smoke
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 11:36 AM MST up reply actions
is there another kind?!
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 11:41 AM MST up reply actions
I think there's a Panda on Panda subcategory
Happy Birthday GR, I hope you get your O-Dog wish too, not so much Tatis.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there is a man on base.
Thanks.!!
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 5, 2010 12:49 PM MST up reply actions
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there is a man on base.
your sig is pretty funny
however, I would like to propose an alternative
The woman would catch the flyball with infant in one hand and throw out the runner at home :) with the other hand :)
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
haha thanks SD
i just looked up baseball quotes and that one caught my eye, i wish it had a name to quote it to tho.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there is a man on base.
Pretty sure it's a "Deep Thought" by Jack Handey
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
Dave Berry actually
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 2:19 PM MST up reply actions
Also fits.
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
Thanks everybody. :D
Remember old folks, I'm just 18 years old =]
by CentralCaliRox on Jan 5, 2010 11:52 AM MST up reply actions
Happy Birthday!!!!!
now that you are 18 the whole forgive me for my youthful blah blah …is no longer valid :P
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Hahaha okay :)
Good point, I guess my posts have gotta start becoming more adult-like :P Lol
Remember old folks, I'm just 18 years old =]
by CentralCaliRox on Jan 5, 2010 12:05 PM MST up reply actions
Of course lol
I was kidding (its just because I know people don’t really take my posts seriously because I’m younger than most people here besides HR I think)
Remember old folks, I'm just 18 years old =]
by CentralCaliRox on Jan 5, 2010 12:07 PM MST up reply actions
If you didn't broadcast your age I wouldn't know how old you are
I’d take you as seriously as your content dictates.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 12:08 PM MST up reply actions
Too late for that
Remember old folks, I'm just 18 years old =]
by CentralCaliRox on Jan 5, 2010 12:08 PM MST up reply actions
well yeah
but age means very little. Wailord over at the ‘Pit is pretty dumb, but he’s at least entertaining. He’s also 16.
I never noticed anything in your posting that would make me completely disregard you.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 12:13 PM MST up reply actions
Haha thanks man.
Remember old folks, I'm just 18 years old =]
by CentralCaliRox on Jan 5, 2010 12:48 PM MST up reply actions
Pssh, I'm younger!
Bored. Lazy. Crazy. Screaming. Counting. Another day in the life of a Rockaholic.
by prettyinpurple on Jan 5, 2010 6:02 PM MST up reply actions
there she is!!!
Hey where’s our Rockaholic update?
and because I’m asking, is that another symptom of Rockaholism?….
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Yes! I'm working on it right now.
I have a deadline for it set for next Thursday, the 7th, or at the very latest, the following Monday.
I’ve been busy, so it’ll be later than usual.
Bored. Lazy. Crazy. Screaming. Counting. Another day in the life of a Rockaholic.
by prettyinpurple on Jan 5, 2010 6:21 PM MST up reply actions
happy bday man!
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by Hollidayrain on Jan 5, 2010 12:32 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks!
Remember old folks, I'm just 18 years old =]
by CentralCaliRox on Jan 5, 2010 12:43 PM MST up reply actions
Well I gotta go to basketball practice =/
Have a good day everybody!!
Remember old folks, I'm just 18 years old =]
by CentralCaliRox on Jan 5, 2010 12:48 PM MST up reply actions
Did anybody see the front page of ESPN?
“Jetsuary”. Seriously?? Sad mimic of “Rocktober” IMO
Remember old folks, I'm just 18 years old =]
Yep
There’s no e, t, or s in January so it doesn’t really work that well.
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 12:11 PM MST up reply actions
I know it's horrible
Remember old folks, I'm just 18 years old =]
by CentralCaliRox on Jan 5, 2010 12:12 PM MST up reply actions
Nope
Does pan rhyme with bets?
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 12:43 PM MST up reply actions
Oh sorry
Sarcasm up there went right over my head. Then I thought the question mark meant you were asking me.
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 12:46 PM MST up reply actions
Sarcasm is bad at the internet
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 1:00 PM MST up reply actions
just noticed
your new signature….smart move ;)
the time between the season ending and spring training makes me feel dead inside.
Yeah couldn't keep that for too long
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 1:37 PM MST up reply actions
I CANNOT believe you surrendered..
I don’t know how to feel about that….lol
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
by SDcat09 on Jan 5, 2010 1:27 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"If the NBA were on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love were on channel 4, I'd watch the frogs, even if they were coming in fuzzy." - Bobby Knight
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
Don't even joke about that
If anyone from ESPN is reading this it will be on there next month
I surrender
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 12:17 PM MST up reply actions
Nobody outside of Minnesota likes Farve any more
Wait, you guys are talking about Brett Farve, right?
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"If the NBA were on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love were on channel 4, I'd watch the frogs, even if they were coming in fuzzy." - Bobby Knight
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I just hope
In the future we can see the Probowl back to its natural place. AFTER the Superbowl where all of the best players can, you know, actually play.
JFK
Eh, I dunno
The Pro Bowl always seemed like a joke to me. It was after the Super Bowl, I had already seen the biggest football game all year, why bother watching?
But now that it’s in the week before the Super Bowl, I might MIGHT just watch it if I have nothing else to do.
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by ShadowPenguin on Jan 5, 2010 3:06 PM MST up reply actions
I agree
After the Super Bowl nobody cares, but at least all of the selected players will be there (unless they are douches). The week before the Superbowl two teams will have no representatives because they are getting ready for the Super Bowl and they don’t want people hurt. If they do show up they won’t play.
JFK
I thought the Super Bowl winners
Generally didn’t play in the Pro Bowl anyway?
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by ShadowPenguin on Jan 5, 2010 3:14 PM MST up reply actions
Yep, agreed.
Yeah, it sucks that players from the Super Bowl teams (and maybe some others) might not play. But that happened anyway, and ratings were abysmal. I don’t blame them for trying to find some way to generate any interest.
Pathetic
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by Hollidayrain on Jan 5, 2010 12:33 PM MST up reply actions
All I care is that he's better than Torrealba
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"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I seem to remember some rumors about this
Back when Atkins signed with the Orioles. Something about both teams swapping their underachieving 3rd basemen, heh.
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by ShadowPenguin on Jan 5, 2010 3:50 PM MST up reply actions
His 04 form would be even better
(I can dream can’t I?)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 6:40 PM MST up reply actions
I like
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 4:09 PM MST up reply actions
I think I'd be on board for a Mora look-see
With the usual for-a-reasonable-price caveat
by controlled_slide on Jan 5, 2010 4:20 PM MST up reply actions
Like it, don't love it
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf." - Tug McGraw after being asked if he liked grass or Astroturf better.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 6:41 PM MST up reply actions
Don't love it...Mora reeks of being a previous PED user
His performance has dropped off significantly the last 3 years, and he’s what, 37 now?
I mean, sure we can sign him strictly as a backup corner IF, but he’s got to still be looking for $5m per, right?
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if he wants that much, there's no way we acquire him.
I wouldn’t mind him just because he’d be a utility guy.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 6, 2010 9:02 AM MST up reply actions
From MLBNet:
Holliday and the Cards just agreed to 7 years 120 mill. He is now the highest paid player on that team….more than Pujols. :O
"There are only two important things in life: baseball and breathing. But at least you can survive without breathing for 3 minutes."
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He probably won't be the highest paid for that long :)
Good for Matt, I’d rather see him in St Louis than NY or Boston
agree
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Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
That being said, I wonder if St. Louis will be able to support both a 120 mill player
and a 200 to 300 mill player…..?
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I don't think it's a huge problem
but it’ll stretch their budget. Holliday’s contract is fairly reasonable in my opinion and leaves room to lock up Pujols. He’ll probably take a home town discount (a monster contract but less than NY/Boston would give him) since they’ve demonstrated they’re committed long term.
Having a core of Holliday/Pujols in the lineup should also generate plenty of revenue and they’ll should keep contending (with a lot of assumptions like keeping good pitching obviously). If they don’t sign Holliday (or another solid hitter) I think Pujols is more likely to leave town (he said as much last off season) which would affect revenues.
It will be a ton of money locked into two hitters though and probably will drive even more focus on developing young players in the system (which is already pretty good).
I strongly doubt Pujols leaves
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 4:35 PM MST up reply actions
I'm not so sure
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 6:42 PM MST up reply actions
I think we've disagreed on this in the past
this’ll HAVE to be a “wait and see”
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 11:36 PM MST up reply actions
It's gonna make for a really good discussion some day
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 6, 2010 6:38 AM MST up reply actions
They have a pretty barren farm system
BA ranked them near the bottom of MLB. When you have a few players taking up a huge percentage of your payroll, you have to be able to fill the rest of the roster with young and cheap alternatives. Not even Holliday and Pujols can carry a team by themselves. I dunno, let’s see where they are in two years.
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
That's true
but isn’t that because they’ve had a recent wave come up? They do need plenty of cheap players to fill out the roster and I could see them running into trouble in a few years unless things pan out well. Then again, if the alternative to signing a big bat this off season is that Pujols winds up walking away, they may not have had much choice.
they'll have to get real creative
but yeah, they’re going to have to.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 4:34 PM MST up reply actions
I kind of think
they signed Matt because they thought having someone to back up Pujols would make it easier to keep him
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DING DING DING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 6:41 PM MST up reply actions
LOL
Doug Gottlieb trying to get Matt to say the amount of money (at first he would only say the number of years). Decidedly awkward.
Told you that you'd enjoy them :)
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 5, 2010 6:27 PM MST up reply actions
Indeed you did!
One of the people in my group had seen them before, so with that and my info from you, my group was pretty sure they would be awesome (even though my other friend and myself didn’t really know much about them). And yep, we all enjoyed them immensely.
ringolsby
…seemed positively gleeful a few weeks ago when matt hadnt signed a deal better than what the rockies offered (4yr/76mill), so I wonder how he’ll spin this off now.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/121409-ringolsby-has-boras-misjudged-holliday-market
The Cowboy certainly has more access than anyone into the front office, but it always seems to come at the expense of any real reporting. I cant think of one instance where he didnt simply tow the company line in the midst of a controversial subject. The guy went so far as to tout last year’s payroll as the highest in team history without even bothering to adjust for inflation.
His 4th of July shirt was pretty sweet, though.
It still is the largest payroll for a Rockies team
Cowboy stands correct…unless you insist on accounting for inflation.
Matt Holliday and the Cardinals have a pretty good deal in my opinion. It puts Albert Pujois at around ~$18M a year.
Scary offense.
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uh
why wouldnt you want inflation-adjusted numbers when comparing payrolls from year to year?
If your boss gives you a one percent raise and inflation is 2 percent, would you really feel like you are making more money than the year before?
You wouldn't want
inflation-adjusted numbers so you could save face but technically 2009 was the highest payroll for the Rockies since inception.
On a side note….I’m not a huge fan of the generic payroll number we have for MLB teams. Why don’t they throw in the minor league teams payroll into it with signing bonuses for prospects et al? Anybody know where to get that data?
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by lizardlad01 on Jan 5, 2010 6:53 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
which was my point basically-
that the Cowboy shouldnt really be in the business of saving face for the monforts if we are supposed to take him seriously as a newsman. I mean, we already have dinger and huson- how many cheerleaders does this team need?
sorry if I came off as curt to you though
Ringolsby does tend to be "in line" with the FO...
… but if that’s attributed to any bias, I’d say from my observations it is more his affection for the Rockies than his desire to get inside information. The guy is a pretty good writer (moreso in his edited print articles than on the insidetherockies blog which often seems cobbled together in about two minutes.
by Greg Stanwood on Jan 5, 2010 7:03 PM MST up reply actions
No offense taken
Overall I like Ringolsby writing.
Initially, I hated it but it’s more in-depth than those Yahoo! Sports people and ESPN writers. His writing grows on you like old age…slowly.
FYI, I’m 23….so old :(
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What do year mean by Pujols around 18 million per year
It’s gonna take a hell of a lot more than that.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 6:48 PM MST up reply actions
I agree
He’s better than Rodriguez was in his prime. I’d use $25 mil as a baseline.
by controlled_slide on Jan 5, 2010 6:51 PM MST up reply actions
The question I have is whether Pujols wants to be the highest paid player in the game
because if he wants to be, he will be
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 7:57 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
we'll have to see how much loyalty plays a part, you know?
emphasis on “have to see”
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 11:37 PM MST up reply actions
If the Cards can get him signed to a long term deal for 18 mil per year
they should try to steal the Mona Lisa next.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 6, 2010 6:40 AM MST up reply actions
The saddest part of Yorvit not coming back: his final game and at-bat as a Rockie.
And I saw it all from the upper deck!
(sniff!)
Bored. Lazy. Crazy. Screaming. Counting. Another day in the life of a Rockaholic.
Whoa
Possibly the most dominating lefty ever is hanging up his glove. Officially.
by controlled_slide on Jan 5, 2010 6:53 PM MST reply actions
Yep, saw that.
Another one of those “I hated him pitching against us, but I’ll still miss him” type of situations.
by Greg Stanwood on Jan 5, 2010 6:55 PM MST up reply actions
That's how I feel
Now that it’s been a few years since he was dominating us, I can look back and say “maybe he was an awesome pitcher.” I’ll always remember Walker turning around his batting helmet and batting righty against him in the All-Star game.
by controlled_slide on Jan 5, 2010 6:57 PM MST up reply actions
I wasn't a baseball fan when Walker was around.
Though I did hear stories of that incident.
by Greg Stanwood on Jan 5, 2010 7:04 PM MST up reply actions
hahaha I remember that
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Most awesome all-star game EVER
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by ShadowPenguin on Jan 5, 2010 9:12 PM MST up reply actions
respect vs sentimentality?
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 11:38 PM MST up reply actions
WOW
I am not shocked by this move as I have been expecting it since the end of the season. I will just find it weird not to hear Randy Johnson pitching next year. He hasn’t been as dominant as he was a few years ago but he sure did learn how to pitch. What a great career. Thanks for letting me watch RJ.
JFK
Us old farts can remember when Randy Johnson v1.0 was like Nuke Laloosh
For a few years, seriously, no one ever really thought he’d turn into much of a pitcher.
Boy were we wrong. Amazing stuff. All the respect in the world. One of the greatest.
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didn't the Expos trade him for like nothing
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 6, 2010 9:03 AM MST up reply actions
The Johnson trade
the Mariners traded Mark Langston and Mike Campbell to the Expos in late May of 1989 for Randy Johnson, Gene Harris and Brian Holman
Now, Mark Langston was a pretty good pitcher for a while, but I don’t recall what kind of pitcher he was at that point in his career.
And remember, when talking of 300 game winners, Randy only had just over 80 wins by the time he turned 30.
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Wow
If this is the end I have to tip my hat to one of the greatest carreers ever. Biggest memories of him will be the 20 strikeouts in a game against the Reds, the perfect game in 2004, coming in in relief to help beat the Yankees in the 01 World Series, and of course the dove incident.
Oh and he did it all while not using steroids, a major plus for me.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 5, 2010 8:03 PM MST up reply actions
I remember debating rather he or any other sp could ever get 300 wins
Truly one of the best
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I maintain now that Maddux, Glavine, and Johnson are done
that the debate can really resurface
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 11:41 PM MST up reply actions
It's gonna be a hell of a long time if ever
The 6 active pitchers who have the most wins but have not gotten to 300 are…
Jamie Moyer (258)
Andy Pettite (229)
Pedro Martinez (219)
John Smoltz (213)
Tim Wakefield (189)
Livan Hernandez (156)
I can say with confidence that none of them are getting there.
The dominant pitcher today with the most wins is Roy Halladay with 148 so he’s lightyears away. The guy who I think could have gotten there if he didn’t retire was Mike Mussina (He walked away at 270). A dark horse might be Felix Hernandez; he has 58 wins at the age of 23.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 6, 2010 6:50 AM MST up reply actions
Ubaldo 31 wins at age 25
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alright, if he can just keep up a pace of 16 wins per year for the next 15 years
he’ll have 271 wins.
…
hm
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 6, 2010 9:47 AM MST up reply actions
DoD better sign him to a 15 year contract.
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would you give Ubaldo or Tulo the kind of contract Holliday received?
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
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not Ubaldo
Tulo…perhaps. It’s too early in both careers to really be definitive.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 6, 2010 2:21 PM MST up reply actions
check this out
Tom Cheney, Washington Senators (AL), September 12, 1962, at Baltimore. Cheney recorded 21 strikeouts in 16 innings of work, and had 13 strikeouts after nine innings
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 5, 2010 11:41 PM MST up reply actions
That must have been quite an exciting game
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 6, 2010 6:51 AM MST up reply actions
the man pitched nearly 2 baseball games
ungodly
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 6, 2010 9:03 AM MST up reply actions
Here’s the box score (because Baseball Reference is awesome). His game score was 115. That’s ridiculous.
by controlled_slide on Jan 6, 2010 9:52 AM MST up reply actions
The only thing that hampers this performance is the time that it took place
1962 was the year MLB widened the strike zone in response to Marris breaking Ruth’s HR record. Most pitching stats between 1962 and 1968 are inflated.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 6, 2010 10:25 AM MST up reply actions
Dude, he pitched 16 innings
No amount of strike zone widening is changing the fact that that’s a lot of innings.
by controlled_slide on Jan 6, 2010 10:34 AM MST up reply actions
I don't even care about the number of Ks
16 innings is, as I said, ungodly
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 6, 2010 10:40 AM MST up reply actions
I'm not saying that pitching 16 innings is not ungodly
I’m just saying I would be even more impressed someone pitched lets say 14 innings in 1961.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 6, 2010 10:50 AM MST up reply actions
1st ballot HOF for sure
and that should just be for throwing near John Kruk’s head
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jan 5, 2010 8:42 PM MST up reply actions
this
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
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Used to watch him when I lived in WA St. in the mid-90s in the KingDome (the most gawdawful place to watch baseball – thankfully it’s gone). He was a MONSTER. Flat out incredible. He made just about everyone look silly with his slider. The local commercials he made were also hilarious: (Talking about his slider: “This is Mr. Snappy. He has a mind of his own. I don’t know where he’s going”).
I have a lot of respect for him. He was a classy guy, always taking time to sign autographs (more than I can for A-Rod)
a friend of mine met ARod with Seattle in ST
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 6, 2010 9:47 AM MST up reply actions
Pearlman really needs to give some specific examples if he's going to make those claims
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 6, 2010 10:29 AM MST up reply actions
I'm not doubting that
I just thought specific examples would have helped his case.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 6, 2010 10:51 AM MST up reply actions
Wasn't true during the season
He wasn’t so cool. However, he was amazing to watch. Never seen a guy hustle out routine infield ground balls like he did. I’ll give him that. That whole ’95 team (which beat the Yankees) was a blast to watch
Any team that beats the Yankees is a blast to watch :-)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 6, 2010 10:35 AM MST up reply actions
congrats to iowa
as an Ohio State fan i hope everybody gets off the Big Ten’s back for a bit…4 wins over top 15 teams in this bowl season.
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by TuLoRocks2008 on Jan 5, 2010 10:20 PM MST up reply actions
That was impressive
Good to see Kirk Ferentz turning it around….again. I was born in the Iowa U hospital, so I’ve always been a HAwkeye fan
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 7, 2010 11:30 AM MST up reply actions
For the facial hair.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
Facial hair has been and always will be best represented by
Todd Helton and Spilly :)
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 6, 2010 9:03 AM MST up reply actions
Apparently,
I can now schedule three game threads for the upcoming season: the series vs. the Red Sox.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 6, 2010 10:30 AM MST up reply actions
SWEEEEET CAROLINE
RED SOX SUCK
Good times never seemed so good
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 6, 2010 10:42 AM MST up reply actions
Easy Killer.
I’m hearin’ what you’re putting down. You don’t like the Red Sox. Have you ever been to Fenway? Don’t care if you don’t like the team, but the place is still pretty special. You may not like the fans either, but they are loyal, and generally pretty knowledgeable. It’s too bad that some fans in 2007 spoiled the fun (Yep, there are some *$$holes that ruin it). But I count myself as both a Red Sox fan (I grew up there), and a Rockies fan. I rooted for both in 2007 and will continue to.
I went to Fenway in '04
My parents sent me to Boston to visit my sister and brother-in-law as a graduation present and I went to a game. It was breathtaking. You can feel the baseball history as you walk in. Loved it.
That said, I still hate the Red Sox. Sorry.
by controlled_slide on Jan 6, 2010 11:05 AM MST up reply actions
Red Sox fans are the smuggest fans in baseball
and most of them have been lifelong Red Sox fans, since all the way back in 2004
Yay for Fenway’s history, it’s a stupid gimmick park. Seriously, a 30 foot wall in LF? a curved RF wall that messes up the foul line? OH BUT IT’S HISTORY – yeah that’s why everyone else does it too right oh wait
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 6, 2010 11:08 AM MST up reply actions
What's wrong with a 30 foot wall?
I think it’s cool.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 6, 2010 11:11 AM MST up reply actions
how is it cool?
“Hi I’m a RHB oh look 15 extra cheap doubles on the season”
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 6, 2010 11:15 AM MST up reply actions
With all respect
You’re missing out. That same wall that gives “15 extra cheep doubles in a season” also takes away about as many for long singles (and outs for those trying to stretch it). Seriously. I respect that fact you don’t like the Red Sox. Cool. But ya know, there are those of us who do like them, who appreciate the history of Fenway and what it means to baseball. I’m sorry that you don’t see it that way.
Yay history and stuff, that's all great and fun
if somebody suggested a new park be made like Fenway, they’d be laughed out of the meeting.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 6, 2010 2:22 PM MST up reply actions
If they approved that hill in Houston anything is possible
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 6, 2010 2:27 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
See my comment below
Completely spurious. Has nothing to do with the existing ballpark.
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Well I like watching fielders have to play the ball off the wall
I like how it creates plays at the plate because the LF plays shallow, and I like how it’s something different.
And couldn’t hitters say the same thing about Coors but for doubles and triples because of the huge gaps?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 6, 2010 11:28 AM MST up reply actions
It's unique
i’m not a big fan of cookie cutter field dimensions – a la Turner Field. Make things different, like the Monster, like the hill in CF at Enron Field (although that’s a bit too far), like the old warehouse in LF at Petco, I’m grasping here. Anyway, I personally think those things make baseball unique. Football, Basketball, Hockey, the playing surfaces are more or less the same everywhere you go – Baseball is different.
I could not agree more
I like each park to have it’s own personality and I want it to be a baseball personality. (I’m not a fan of baseeball and football stadiums sharing). I think about 2/3 of MLB teams have gotten a new ballpark in the last 15 years or so and for the most park I love all the new different field dimentions they have brought to the game.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:36 PM MST up reply actions
different is one thing
gimmicks are another thing
calling the monster, the hill, etc, just as “unique” is like saying “well I planted a tree in CF we’re so unique”
park dimensions are completely different.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 6, 2010 2:24 PM MST up reply actions
The tree thing might get Pirate fans to the ballpark :-)
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf." - Tug McGraw after being asked if he liked grass or Astroturf better.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 6, 2010 2:29 PM MST up reply actions
See the Pirates need a tree in centerfield
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 6, 2010 7:12 PM MST up reply actions
Gimmick?
Really? It’s been that way since 1912. If they build another (which they proposed doing back around the late 90’s, but thankfully fell through), that might be considered a gimmick. There are few parks left (Wrigley being the only other one) that have any kind of long baseball history.
Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE Coors Field – one of the best to watch baseball, but there is just something magical going to Fenway, even though the seats are uncomfortable, and some are even obstructed.
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they made the park originally like that because of the layout of the city
it’s not like they could afford otherwise
anymore, what’s the excuse? It’s a rundown stadium that can seat about as many people as the Pepsi Center. It’s cool to think that Teddy Ballgame played at that park, don’t get me wrong, but anymore, with the funds the Sox have…it’s not as if they’re constrained by Boston anymore, the city would more than likely bend over backwards for them.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 6, 2010 2:27 PM MST up reply actions
They pact about 37,000 in there per game
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 6, 2010 2:30 PM MST up reply actions
I knew the facetiousness would be missed
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 6, 2010 2:33 PM MST up reply actions
Damn internet
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf." - Tug McGraw after being asked if he liked grass or Astroturf better.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 6, 2010 2:39 PM MST up reply actions
You've completely missed the point.
Yes, they did propose to build a new ballpark in the Kenmore neighborhood, and the fans went into an uproar about. It’s the history. OK. I get the fact that you don’t care so much about that, from what I can gather from your comments. But to fans in the Boston area, it means a lot.
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I don't NOT care about history
I just see LF and RF in Fenway like the catwalks in Tropicana, they’re obnoxious and unnecessary. It’s not as if it’s just a short porch, or just a deep RF, or just a whatever, they’re absolutely absurd and are far beyond “oh well that’s just what makes our park different”
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 6, 2010 2:36 PM MST up reply actions
Now I wholeheartedly agree that the catwalks are obnoxious
I was really hopeing one was hit in a big moment of the 08 World Series so MLB would make Tampa get rid of them.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 6, 2010 2:43 PM MST up reply actions
Mixing Apples and Oranges (Orange Juice???)
Tropicana is an indoor stadium, kinda like the the KingDome – they should ban permanent domed baseball stadiums.
Re: Fenway: Face it, both teams on the field play with the same ground rules. It doesn’t favor one over the other. If you can hit a shot off of the Pesky Pole, it’s a home run no matter what team you’re on. Same is true in Coors: Hit a 350 line drive in the gap, you’re digging for 3rd (or home)
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that's not true by any means though
I’ll let the Pesky Pole go, I just don’t like curved lines in baseball (unless it’s like the entire wall like in Wrigley – I crave symmetry and nearly EVERY park drives me nuts in this fashion) but the Monster is an obstruction that rewards chipshots and such. LF for the SAHHHX has time to adjust to the Monster over the 81 games they’ll play in Fenway, whereas fielders in other parks will have to suddenly run out of room about what, 15 feet behind 3B? 20?
Honestly, I hate Fenway. The history is great and it’d be cool to visit once, but just in terms of functionality, I hate it. There’s nothing either one of is going to do to sway the other.
I vote for a handshake and topic change.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 6, 2010 3:21 PM MST up reply actions
When did you leave New England?
I actually liked the Red Sox when they were cursed and I really LOVE Fenway Park; but since 2004 I have had a front row seat to watching the baseball knowledge of the fans decrease and the obnoxiousness of the fans increase.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 6, 2010 11:09 AM MST up reply actions
Left in '86
Moved back in ’98, but left again (for good) in 2000. I was 10 years old when Bucky Effing Dent stabbed Sox fans in the heart. My first game was in ’75 against the Cleveland Indians – Dennis Eckersley was pitching for the Indians.
The fan base has really changed since 2004
It’s sad.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 6, 2010 11:29 AM MST up reply actions
It's too bad
I used to love going just to listen to some of the ol’ timers who went religiously (around the first base side, near the dugout), they were great fun.
The atmosphere there is more like a carnaval now
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:38 PM MST up reply actions
Downside to "gentrification"
More money, more expensive tickets, crowding out the long-time, blue collar, diehards coming in from Medford, Somervile, Revere, etc.
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I will second this
Fenway is pretty cool. Went to the TB series there in Sep. 2008. Enjoyed my experience there much more than at Wrigley, which just seemed run-down. I will side with RMN that a huge portion of “Red Sox Nation” has only been on the bandwagon since 2004, and most of them are not aware that Sox tickets were actually easy to get in the ‘90s – because people weren’t going to games.
I'm in agreement with you.
There’s a lot of “bandwagoneers” that caught on in 2004. But where I part with RMN is the blanket statement that all Red Sox fans are jerks. I’ll concede that there are some real 100% ****-steins out there. But not every fan is that way. My family still lives there and, damn, tix cost a second mortgage. But they still watch and love the Sox. Oh and by the way, quite a few them, including myself, were glad when Manny left – even if it cost us a WS. So, sorry, you can’t just hate a team and lump all of its fans into the same category. I wouldn’t even do that for Giants fans over at MCC.
you need to add that to your sig line
or another sig line..
“Hating on Cubs fans since always” :)
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Brings out the worst in people. Imagine what Rox fans would feel like if they haven’t won in oh, in forever :)
I haven't been to a Rox-Cubs game
But I’ve read the posts over the last year. I’ll have to take your word for it. In truth, I feel bad for them, in a kinda laughing sort of way. They’re on the butt-end of jokes a lot.
You got the banhammer?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:41 PM MST up reply actions
Disagree
I think Red Sox fans were better when they were in the Cubs boat
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:40 PM MST up reply actions
We got close
A few times (75, 78 – I’m including it because it hurt, 86 come to mind immediately). The last time the Cubs even were in the WS was 1945!!!
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we do know what that feels like...
:) just maybe not for as long a time…plus we have deal with CORZ FELD…
all the friggin time..:)
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History
Not saying that’s all of it (and I’m not denying that BIG city crap attitudes play into it), but I think that has a lot to do with it. Sheesh, even the South-siders have won recently. But a 100+ years (64+ years without going to the WS) is a loooooooong time. I think history will catch up to the fact to the LOLZ CORZ FELD crap is just that – a pile o’ poo.
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well I can't very well take every individual SAHHHHHX fan and judge how big of a douchebag they are
95% of SAHHHHHHX fans I’ve encountered are, in fact, douchebags. They in constant denial of being just the Yankees with more shame, act like Theo Epstein has never made a mistake and yet conveniently dodge the topics of like Julio Lugo, etc, and then play the history card. It’s not my fault the Rockies have just become old enough as a franchise to see Rated-R movies on their own.
It’s a terrible mix of smug and douchebaggery.
Congrats on being part of the 5%.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 6, 2010 2:31 PM MST up reply actions
Fine
Let’s agree to disagree: I like the Red Sox, and you don’t. But let’s not get personal. OK?
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I agree, this isn't personal
I just clearly said that you’re not a douchebag SAHHHHHX fan. I’m speaking to the majority of my encounters.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 6, 2010 2:37 PM MST up reply actions
I"M TAKING IT PERSONAL
YOU JUST CALLED LIKE HALF THE PEOPLE I KNOW DOUCHEBAGS.
But seriously most of them are when it comes to that.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 6, 2010 2:46 PM MST up reply actions
Cool
I’m sorry that you haven’t seen the classier fans. As RIRF mentioned, the fan-base has gone downhill since then. I have good friends who are Yankees fans, and we keep the banter light and friendly, because we have something else in common. We love baseball
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Let me add this
I HATE/DESPISE/LOATHE the way the Yankees, Red Sox and other teams treat the rest of the MLB like their own personal farm clubs. I think Epstein got lucky. Period. His moves this year were terrible and they don’t stand a chance to win against the Yanks.
Re: Douchebaggery – Yep, they got more than fair share of ****-steins out there. That said, I think there’s a fair number here in Denver that spill their idiocy on the Denver Post comments (not on PR). Like I also said, a bunch of the these yo-yos are bandwagoneers since 2004, and don’t have freaking clue what Bucky Effing Dent or Buckner means.
As far as history goes, the Rox are building a good one, with lots of great moments and a few heartbreakers also. I’m glad to be a part of that too.
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that's why I hate the club
I don’t hate the park purely for the team, that’s a fact.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 6, 2010 2:50 PM MST up reply actions
You should hate the Yankees more :)
We’ll have something in common. A couple of weeks ago, I suggested what I thought was a way to “level the playing field” with a “tenure-cap” (e.g., 0-4 yrs 1MM; 5-8: 5MM; 9+: 12MM) as a prop. Not saying it would fly, but we wouldn’t be lamenting Matt Holliday looking for the highest bidder. Nor would we be held hostage by Scott Boras.
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I see them differently
the Yankees and their payroll are like a force of nature, and most of their fans, by now, are just like “yeah, guys, it’s embarrassing…but you know what that sucks for you /spends $700M on 3 players”, like a big bully.
The fact that the phrase “Red Sox Nation” exists pisses me off more than anything in the sporting world.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 6, 2010 3:04 PM MST up reply actions
And that's why the Red Sox are spending
Boston HATES HATES HATES the Yankees. Since 1918.
What you’re suggesting is more like “Don’t hate the playa, hate the game.” But I hate the game (at least that part of it). I don’t buy the theory, “come and get us, everyone, cuz we’re the team to beat, cuz we got the money and the playaz”. That’s horse puckey. From any team, and yes, including the Red Sox. It basically means that small revenue teams (and I’m not including Florida, because they’re just flat out cheapskates) are basically resigned to being AAAA clubs for their benefit. That just sucks and is flat out wrong.
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I can't get on board with this
My hate for the Yankees is greater than my hate for all other teams combined.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 6, 2010 5:53 PM MST up reply actions
please it's spelled
SAHHHHHHHHHHHHXXXXXXXX
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