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Sorry I'm so late with this. In the absence of substantial Rockies news I started yet another piece on why the Giants haven't really upgraded their offense or something or maybe it was talking about what uninspiring options the Dodgers have left to help their rotation when I realized that I was kind of bored with writing that stuff myself, so you readers have to be really sick of it. So I scrapped it and thinking of why, I started this.

I realized that I've got three or four NL competitors that besides the Rockies themselves are taking up the bulk of my baseball attention. The Dodgers and Giants in the NL West for what should probably be obvious reasons, as well as the Diamondbacks because I still think they could be sneaky good this season, and the Braves.

For some reason I'm not really looking much at the Phillies or Cardinals, perhaps because I see them as the odds on favorites for their divisions still and thus not really a threat to the Rockies for the playoffs, even while I recognize how faulty this logic is. If the Braves are somehow able to pass the Phillies in 2010, and they're close enough in talent that it's certainly possible, than Philadelphia becomes the favorite for the wild card and I should be more cognizant of how we measure up to them (as of right now, we measure up about as well as we did in the playoffs, which is to say we don't).

With the Cardinals and the NL Central, I think somewhere in my head, I have it as an almost given assumption that the first place NL Central team will fall short of the second place NL West team (as they did in the Rockies playoff years of 2007 and 2009), thus making looking at that division's second tier, specifically the Cubs and Brewers, a moot point. With about 162 games left to play in 2010, just like my dismissal of the Braves as a legitimate NL East threat, this is either being naive -I mean, I only have to look at 2008 to know this- or more likely, just a sign of my brain taking the kind of shortcuts everybody is inclined to.

As complex as we think that stuff between our ears is, the fact is that the human brain doesn't want to make things harder on itself than it has to, and this means limiting the information that it keeps around and simplifying the processes that it uses to help us make judgment calls. There will be some people naturally gifted with greater capacities up there than the rest of us (and it seems to me that these people often like reminding us of this every chance they get, but I digress) but everybody has a finite limit to what they can store and think about.

I bring this up because in reading off season analyses, be they from me or anybody else, you have to consider the limitations of the analyst. Sometimes this isn't easy, but I'll give you a few common examples of analytical shortcuts you might see, and this isn't in any particular order, and keep in mind these shortcuts are not all bad, or not always bad, as we tend to do them without a second thought because the success rate with them is palatable to us, we'll take the misses we have because we also know we hit with them:

1. Generic league adjustment -

The AL is tougher, the NL is easier, ergo all moves will assume the AL player will have more success switching than the NL player. Christina Kahrl's analysis of the Miguel Olivo signing (for subscribers of Baseball Prospectus) would be a case in point. The broader point is definitely true, the AL is the superior league right now, but on the micro level of players switching, this isn't always the case. I like how Kahrl looked at the effect that moving to Coors might have on Olivo's K's btw. That's something to be hopeful for as a Rockies fan.

2. Regression -

If a player had a great year out of sorts for their career, we expect them to fall back, if they had an awful one, we expect them to rebound. My Sunday Rockpile and the subsequent discussion has some examples of this including Andre Ethier and Troy Tulowitzki. Sometimes, however, there's really something to be said for just looking at the momentum. If Garrett Atkins or Andruw Jones tank for a couple of seasons in a row, even if they aren't that old, it might not be the wisest course of action to assume the projected rebound (as I learned last season in Atkins' case) is real. The Rockies don't really have anybody currently in this category except for maybe Manny Corpas, but a couple of good cases in point within the division might be Arizona's Chris Young or the Giants Edgar Renteria. Most projections see rebounds for these players, and I tend to believe it for Young in particular, but don't be surprised if Renteria is just as bad or even worse in 2010 than he was in 2009.

3. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.  Last year as dogma -

Analysts that haven't yet figured out the regression shortcut tend to do one far easier, which is just look at the prior season and say this is what is. Remember how Cardinals fans and the front office just wouldn't part with Ryan Ludwick for Matt Holliday because Ludwick was so awesome in 2008 and it was a sign of greatness to come? Thank heaven for that. Who do you think the Cardinals would rather have now, Ludwick, or Michael Taylor (the stud outfield prospect the A's got for Brett Wallace, the centerpiece of their eventual Holliday trade)? Actually, I don't know, given the optimistic projection fans are giving Ludwick at FanGraphs, maybe they would prefer the older soon to be much more expensive player.

Tracy speak interlude:

So if I'm saying that regressing players to a mean isn't always right and sometimes a previous season is, but now saying that it's not, what exactly am I saying? Good question. I'm saying all projections are guesses, the regression guess tends to be the more accurate one statistically than just going by the previous season, but don't consider it a fixed certainty. Especially don't if there are other factors at play. A player that's visibly getting slower and pudgier is probably not as likely to rebound as that pretty computer projection says he is.

4. Secondary sourcing -

Sense our brains can only handle so much information, we tend to rely on other sources to fill in the blank spaces of our knowledge. You know that you do this, and you're likely doing it right this very instant, but you should also be aware that whoever you're reading is likely doing it as well. If it's a good and trusted source of the author, sure, that's fine, I always like reading those outside opinions from my favorite writers, but a problem arises in that you as the reader now have two filters that have been put into the analysis, one from the author and one from the other source. There should be a natural increase in skepticism any time this happens and it doesn't matter if the secondary source is anonymous or not. Even direct quotes can be cut off or manipulated to fit space constraints 

5. Groupthink -

Cousin to the above, but sometimes more devious, and as a Purple Row user you have to be particularly aware of it in this venue as it's common to blog and message board communities. Why it can be a dangerous trap is because in larger communities there can be more than one instance of it going on simultaneously, even as opposing sides in the same debate. So while you might think that you're outside the groupthink bubble with a few of your other buddies here going against my or other authors' opinions, you could really just be in another bubble.

The great catcher debate of 2009 (that's been spilling into 2010, apparently) is a good case in point. One faction couldn't get it into their heads that Yorvit Torrealba was simply the more valuable catcher, the better choice as a starting catcher at the end of last season and going into the playoffs. You just don't bench a player that's seeing a fat juicy grapefruit where everybody else is seeing a baseball. The other side couldn't get it into their heads that Chris Iannetta is the much safer and better long term bet for the franchise. The first side -which includes Internet authors off of Purple Row, I might add- still doesn't want to admit that even though he's the safer bet, Iannetta's a risk, and given his subpar 2009, may be a rather substantial one, and Miguel Olivo might have more of a starting shot than they think.

Okay, I'm now really late, and have lots of errands to run today, so I'll cut this post off here. Maybe I'll do more of these later, as these aren't the only analytical shortcuts you'll see, I didn't even get into the arbitrary cutting that I do with the Padres and those NL Central teams, for instance (and that many outside analysts did with the Rockies prior to 2009), it's a relative of the third item of the above list, or other people can add others that they've noticed in the comments. Hopefully this gets a start on the discussion (and no, not that discussion... you've pretty much exhausted the catcher thing by now, don't you think?)

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I think the odds of someone saying

“Hang on, you’re right, I do indulge in groupthink” are pretty small! It is a reality, though, and I think we all indulge in it to a greater or, for the most part on PR, lesser extent (NB Redhawk constitutes a group unto himself, so my proposition stands).

My particular fault is that, in times of hurry or lack of concentration, I do absorb things my favourite writers say and they become, for want of more accurate information, gospel in my brain. So while I don’t often simply repeat any party line, I am certain that some of my arguments recycle these lazy assumptions as if they were true. My problem is that my knowledge of baseball is so relatively shallow that it would take a relatively large effort to further my understanding to the point where I can pick holes in arguments based on anything more than logic or stats, which I can handle pretty well.

by biondino on Jan 7, 2010 11:28 AM MST reply actions  

It's an interesting

conundrum. Does group think develop on it’s own, or do like minded people tend to gravitate towards one another?

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by Hizilla on Jan 7, 2010 11:50 AM MST up reply actions  

It tends to develop in any small group

that does not take steps to avoid it. It happens because conformity and conflict avoidance can overshadow the group’s overall purpose. That’s why it can be healthy to encourage critical thinking in such groups.

I can smell spring

by Rawktober on Jan 7, 2010 11:56 AM MST up reply actions  

I saw a relevant quote on Google today

When two men in business always agree, one of them is unnecessary.

  - William Wrigley Jr.

I can smell spring

by Rawktober on Jan 7, 2010 12:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Another relative of item 3

that became more prevalent last year is the frequent attempts, particularly in the mainstream media, to pick “next year’s Rays”, or “next year’s Rockies”, or whatever team climbed from relative obscurity into the playoffs. The problem is that you can’t really predict things that are by nature unpredictable. In hindsight, one can identify reasons why the Rays or Rockies were able to make large gains in performance, but prior to the occurrence of those events, there was also a good reason to predict the opposite.

Nevertheless, we’ll start seeing articles about the surprise players and teams for 2010 in the next month or two, because nobody can resist the urge to say “I told you so”.

by RoxnSox09 on Jan 7, 2010 11:34 AM MST reply actions  

Though 2010's stars are already looking set

Yanks, Red Sox, Phillies, Cards, Mariners – is that about it? Dodgers and Angels should both regress, Braves and Rockies on the periphery – it might be harder than ever to predict a genuine outlier this season.

by biondino on Jan 7, 2010 11:39 AM MST up reply actions  

Brewers could be a dark horse

As always, the AL Central is an enormous question mark.

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by Muzia on Jan 7, 2010 11:45 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, you've got a point there.

I think that some writers use the fact that projections are always very uncertain to try to get the “scoop” on the coming seasons surprises. Inevitably, some of the projections will be wrong, and if they can guess what unexpected thing will actually occur, they can take credit for it in the end. Heck, last year some people expected the Royals to contend in their division. I think this was because the Rays had gone from perennially putrid to league champions, so people started looking at other bad teams to suddenly improve. But you’re right, it would be foolish for anybody to predict the Orioles taking the AL East next year, so maybe we won’t see as much of that stuff.

by RoxnSox09 on Jan 7, 2010 11:48 AM MST up reply actions  

There are always surprises though

That’s what makes baseball great. For no other reason than because it’s baseball I bet at least one of the teams you mentioned (Yankees, Red Sox, Pilies, Cards, and Marines) misses the playoffs. I wouldn’t pick against any of them individually but I bet something happens so that they all don’t make it.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 7, 2010 12:48 PM MST up reply actions  

It's funny

People trying to project the next year for a player who just had an outlier in performance do seem to get stuck on only two possibilities: 1) repeating last year’s performance or , 2) regressing to the mean. How about regressing somewhere between last year and the mean, or, exceeding even last year’s performance? You’re right, in the end, they’re all guesses. But in the case of large scale projections (i.e, how will every player in the MLB do next year), they are particularly vulnerable to making the projection in the wrong direction because they have only the numbers themselves as a basis for projection, instead of some underlying theory for each player (e.g, Atkins will stink in 2010 because he has become fat and lazy and Francis will pitch well because we’ve seen his rehab pitching sessions, etc.).

I can smell spring

by Rawktober on Jan 7, 2010 11:49 AM MST reply actions  

That’s because the term has become degraded to mean ‘move toward averge’ which wasn’t always so.

by Salty on Jan 7, 2010 3:53 PM MST up reply actions  

RG -

Personally I think alot of people are overestimating Atlanta for 2010. I really think they lost alot in trading away Vazquez. He wasn’t a strong bet to repeat his stellar 2009, but he has been vastly underrated the last 3 or 4 years, he is definitely a true Ace, whatever Ozzie Loudmouth Guillen thinks of him. For the Braves to compete they need Tommy Hanson to repeat or improve on his 2009, which may be a tall order, and they need Jason Heyward to emerge in his rookie season in a way that only a few guys have recently. The second half surge they got from LaRoche was pretty key for them, as they really didn’t have much at he plate last year (Old Troy Glaus is not an upgrade there). They also added a ton of risk in the backend of their bullpen in replacing a very effective Soriano (who they should have just kept over Wagner and their 1st rounder) with old Wagner and Saito. Of any team you mentioned – they have by far the most question marks and the most risk of serious regression in 2010.

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by Hizilla on Jan 7, 2010 11:55 AM MST reply actions  

I dunno about that

My personal take on it is that the Phils and Cards are locks and that the Rockies really need to win their first division title to make the playoffs. The Braves and (gag) Cubs are wildcard favorites. Both of those teams are at greater risk of injuries than most. For the Braves, Chipper Jones, Troy Glaus, Tim Hudson & Wagner have been very fragile in recent seasons and McCann (on whom the Braves are totally dependent for success) had his own health problems last year. If they get complete or near-complete seasons from those 5, the Braves probably take the WC, as they almost did last year. For the Cubs, having Ramirez, Lee & Zambrano playing year is the key, along with the addition-by-subtraction of Loco Milton, as is whether Soto has a bouce-back year.

Of all things to project, injuries are probably the hardest, and I therefore put little stock in projections for the Braves or Cubs. If they’re mostly healthy, they’re going to be trouble & have more veteran talent than the Rockies. If they’re banged up like last year, the wild card is very open. But it will take both of those teams having big injury problems, not just one, to get them out of the wild card race. That happened in 09, but may not repeat itself in 2010.

Thus my focus on 2010 is winning the West. I like our chances vs. the Dodgers & Giants (and, yes, Dbacks, if Webb rebounds) better than I do vs. the Braves & Cubs for wildcard.

New decade, new result: time for a Rockies' division championship.

by Maris6161 on Jan 7, 2010 12:56 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't think he said that

I think he indicated that they were wildcard favorites, with the implication that the Rockies were likely to win the West, with LA, SF and AZ not being strong enough to win the wildcard if the Cubs and Braves are heatlhy. I’m not sure I agree, I still think the WC will come out of the West again, but that’s because I don’t think ATL is going to keep up and the Mets are a mess. I’ve pretty much written the Cubs off as well, they lost pitching and their offense is getting older and older every day.

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by Hizilla on Jan 7, 2010 1:16 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree with your assessment

I guess my mind drifted down the “Win the NL West or Bust” and I thought “….no, if we don’t win the West, we’ll take the WC again, at least over the Cubs”

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 1:20 PM MST up reply actions  

The Cubs have the payroll

and, in general, big $ = more wins. The historical stats on that are pretty clear.

The Cubs have more highly-paid veteran talent than the Rockies (Helton vs.
Lee/Ramirez/Zambrano). So do the Mets. So do the Braves.

But the X-factor in recent years for teams with a lot of big contracts to older players has been injuries. The Mets got burned last year, as did the Cubs and Braves.
Project a mostly injury-free season for the Cubs & Braves & they’re trouble.
Project a level of injuries anywhere near what they had last year, and the
Rockies should finish ahead of either. (Assuming another mostly injury-free year for the Rox. The only significant losses last year were Francis, Buchholz & Corpas, each of whom was capably replaced … by Marquis, Betancourt, Morales.)

Personally, I hope the Billy Goat Curse continues to plague the Cubs for the remaining 99 years in their second century of frustration. I’m just saying that if all those players they’re shelling out the big bucks to manage to play most of the year with their career numbers, it would be a stretch to beat them out for the wild card. Ditto with the Braves. But not the Mets. Their pitching mostly sucks.

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by Maris6161 on Jan 7, 2010 2:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Payroll doesn't equal winning

well-exercised payroll does.

Also we can’t just assume that when Aramis and Lee and Big Z come back that they’ll be playing like their primes. There’s going to be some declination there, especially since they are older players.

As long as Jim Hendry is running that team, it’s gonna be terrible.

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 2:17 PM MST up reply actions  

If you were ever actually able to look at those graphs I posted

You would know that the r squared value on the trend lines essentially meant that 40% of the variance in wins can be explained by payroll.

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by crazedjohn on Jan 7, 2010 3:44 PM MST up reply actions  

I think the equations you are looking for go as follows

Big payroll = Making playoffs

BUT………….

Big payroll + stupidity = Missing playoffs

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 7, 2010 8:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Big $ does not = more wins when your GM is Hendry.

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by Hizilla on Jan 7, 2010 2:19 PM MST up reply actions  

There are a lot of purple-tinter spectacles in this conversation!

When I play poker, I am happy to go up against one rival when I have a strong hand. I am less happy when I end up seeing a flop with, say, 4 others in the pot – I may still have the best hand but there’s a much bigger chance of me being outdrawn. The Rockies, I feel, are in the latter position.

by biondino on Jan 7, 2010 3:43 PM MST up reply actions  

I see your point, and agree

but the Cubs? Really?

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 3:46 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't disagree with you

In a vacuum, more money typically means more wins, but not when that money is allocated to undeserving or overvalued resources, or to use your analogy, when the GM goes all in on ten six offsuit.

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by Hizilla on Jan 7, 2010 3:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Big money + smart GM = scary good

it’s extremely rare that these two things come together.

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by jpage78 on Jan 7, 2010 4:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Which is starting to make me reevaluate

Brian Cashman. He just climbed out of my bottom 10 GM’s to my middle 10 GM’s. Although his theft of Javier Vazquez could bump him up more.

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by Hizilla on Jan 7, 2010 4:13 PM MST up reply actions  

I still don't give him much credit for that

they said “hey take our bench/borderline MLB players and we’ll take your Ace that you can’t afford”

They wouldn’t have gotten Vazquez or Grandy if their respective teams could afford them.

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 4:20 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree

I just would imagine that there are a lot of teams out there that would be more than willing to get an Ace on a 1 year deal for 10mil and somehow Cash ended up getting him.

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by Hizilla on Jan 7, 2010 4:22 PM MST up reply actions  

like me

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 4:30 PM MST up reply actions  

I can't give him much credit

The reason why they were so good last year was because he signed the three best free agents on the market. Any GM with the money to spend that the Yankees did could have made those moves.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 7, 2010 8:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Thankfully the game is not played on paper

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 7, 2010 8:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Unfortunately..

The Yankees do play this game on paper.

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by Charlie77 on Jan 8, 2010 6:38 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Isn't that mostly cotton and linen?

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 8, 2010 11:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Even Sabean or Manaya could put this team together with the kind of money the Yankees have.

There’s no strategy in that. It’s lame.

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by SoxRoxFan on Jan 7, 2010 10:14 PM MST up reply actions  

An orangutan could put together a great team with that much money

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 7, 2010 10:22 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

+1E1000000000

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by SoxRoxFan on Jan 7, 2010 10:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Orangutan=Sabean | Manaya

Don't hate the player, hate the game, except all Yankees players.

by SoxRoxFan on Jan 7, 2010 10:45 PM MST up reply actions  

/Orangutans everywhere vow to destroy SoxRoxFan :-)

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 7, 2010 11:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Planets of the Apes

I’m not afraid of General Erko!!!

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by SoxRoxFan on Jan 7, 2010 11:08 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd add....

…as an addendum to Groupthink: Emotion.

As much as many folks consider themselves objective analysts, or even sabermetricians, we are all human. I’ve always suspected that a piece of the “great catcher debate” stuff was simply that some folks have, for one reason or another, an emotional attachment to Iannetta. As a result, they dug their heels in a bit more than they would for another player.

And that’s completely, 100% fine. As a non-stat guy, most of my sports connections are made with that kind of personal connection. I’ve had players on teams I rooted for I loved and players that left me cold. And it wasn’t always about production or performance. (As a Yankee fan growing up, my favorite player was Fred “Chicken” Stanley. Why? Who knows? Maybe it was his nickname. In fact, yeah, it was his nickname.)

When you stop and think about it, there’s not an objective, rational reason why any of us should be Rockies fans. Or baseball fans, for that matter. So, when the very basis of our being here is rooted in emotion, not reason, it’s perfectly fair to allow for emotion to play a part in how we view things — even if we don’t always want to admit it. For me, in fact, that emotion — and the sometimes less than rational opinions that flow from it — are one the true joys of being a baseball fan.

by BroJB on Jan 7, 2010 12:27 PM MST reply actions  

Nope

My attachment to Iannetta is due to my emotional attachment to cold, emotionless logic.

by controlled_slide on Jan 7, 2010 12:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Which gets me wondering....

…what stats would one use to calculate “dreaminess”?

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by BroJB on Jan 7, 2010 12:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Russ knows even more

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 7, 2010 12:46 PM MST up reply actions  

I can only calculate..

clutchiness and Hawteness :)errr..Hawpeness

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Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Jan 10, 2010 12:29 PM MST up reply actions  

WE CALCULATE DOOM DAMMIT

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 1:11 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm emotionally attached to wOBA

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 7, 2010 12:35 PM MST up reply actions  

+1

funny

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by RockiesDave on Jan 7, 2010 12:44 PM MST up reply actions  

hahaha...rec'd

Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.

Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 12:48 PM MST up reply actions  

The 50-foot golden Iannetta statue under construction in RockiesMagicNumber’s backyard has no idea what you’re talking about.

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by Franchise26 on Jan 7, 2010 12:37 PM MST up reply actions  

you told me you wouldn't tell anyone

that’s it, you’re not invited to the March Iannetta Faire or the We <3 Chris BBQ in June or any of the 14 scheduled “watch all of Iannetta’s ABs from 2008-2009” sit-ins this upcoming season.

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 1:13 PM MST up reply actions  

only 50 feet?

those student loans are killers

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by Muzia on Jan 7, 2010 1:19 PM MST up reply actions  

I like this.

Can we do the AB watching before I leave? I’ll bring deer meat.

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by Hizilla on Jan 7, 2010 1:20 PM MST up reply actions  

we can invite clint barmes

“Ok, I’ve got the cooler, Hizilla has all the bags of chips and stuff, hey Clint, could you grab that deer meet and meet us upstairs”

{2 minutes later}

“what have we DONE?!?!?!?

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 1:22 PM MST up reply actions  

This seems like your evil plot

to sign Orlando Hudson

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by Hizilla on Jan 7, 2010 1:31 PM MST up reply actions  

If that happened,

we would start EY2 and re-sign Q

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 7, 2010 1:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Perhaps

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 7, 2010 3:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Groupthink tends to be a very common phenomena

particularly in online venues (Blogs, online editions of newspapers) It is to be expected. Now….MAYBE it shouldn’t become as bloody as the GCD (Great Catcher Debate) did, but it shows people are passionate about…..catchers. There’s a definate majority of people who tend to support CDI…but that Yorvy minority was as passionate as him.

It made for great reading (for me) but I’m sure it gave people some gray hair.

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by jpage78 on Jan 7, 2010 12:46 PM MST reply actions  

the GCD was

nowhere near as nasty as the McD/not McD brawls at MHR…

talk about a groupthink site …

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by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 12:48 PM MST up reply actions  

+1

youve got that right

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by jpage78 on Jan 7, 2010 12:50 PM MST up reply actions  

I was reviewing you sig line earlier

and if we traded Hawpe, you could reduce it by 50%

/ducks thrown shoe

I can smell spring

by Rawktober on Jan 7, 2010 12:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Good luck

Yorvit and Atkins are still in there and they’re not even on the team…

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by Hizilla on Jan 7, 2010 12:53 PM MST up reply actions  

It's a good theory, however you'd be wrong

because I would just make it farewell, as I did with Yorvit and Atty :P

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by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 12:54 PM MST up reply actions  

-1

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by Hizilla on Jan 7, 2010 12:59 PM MST up reply actions  

everytime I get a -1 from you

its like a gift :)

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by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 1:00 PM MST up reply actions  

I also want to know

Why are there no sp in you signature? Atty makes the list, but not Ubaldo?

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by arpagamos on Jan 7, 2010 2:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Zing!!!

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by Hizilla on Jan 7, 2010 2:19 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't exactly remember how my sig line started

but initially it was a note to John Kruk….

and then people were calling for Hawpe’s head and Yorvit’s benching..

it was just my way of showing support for some of my favorites..

I have a bad feeling this is going to devolve into the

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by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 2:25 PM MST up reply actions  

i do....

and I already said before the season starts…I’ll come up with something new..

:)

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by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 2:34 PM MST up reply actions  

I’ll come up with something new shorter

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by Hizilla on Jan 7, 2010 2:35 PM MST up reply actions  

twss?

(seriously kidding)

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by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 2:36 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

HA

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 2:38 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm picturing forests of 1s and 0s

being eaten by giant logging machines

and then tall blue aliens running around

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 2:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, the "GCD" was really no big deal...

…I’m not sure why some folks got so uptight about it. It was just some plain old baseball arguing. i didn’t see anything that got too personal (although I didn’t see everything). I thought there was quite a bit of wit and humor in it and it certainly enlivened things.

Heck, arguing about something as stupid as who should catch for a baseball team is one of the true joys of being a fan. As long as it stays respectful and tempers are held in check, I’m all for it from time to time.

by BroJB on Jan 7, 2010 12:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, a lot of the pure nastiness got hidden

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 7, 2010 12:56 PM MST up reply actions  

ugh, the joys of being a moderator

actually it’s pretty hilarious to see who wrote what

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 1:14 PM MST up reply actions  

You can even hide your own comments when you say something stupid :)

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 7, 2010 1:31 PM MST up reply actions  

I wish I had that power...

sometimes. Especially when talking to my boss.

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by Charlie77 on Jan 7, 2010 1:34 PM MST up reply actions  

or when you say it twice

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 2:00 PM MST up reply actions  

As PF says, we hid a lot of REALLY personal stuff

I think it went beyond the catchers and became a debate of methodologies and ideologies in evaluating batting production, and DIDN’T stay respectful and tempers WEREN’T held in check, so it kind of struck some chords deeper than simply who we like more in the sense of “your way is wrong, you’re wrong”

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 1:17 PM MST up reply actions  

was?

it was still here as of a couple of days ago…

ROCKEFELLER!!!

by Muzia on Jan 7, 2010 1:24 PM MST up reply actions  

much like global warming

just because it’s winter doesn’t mean the GCD went away. It still lurks, waiting to emerge every time CDI takes a walk…

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by Muzia on Jan 7, 2010 1:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Careful

If you ignite that debate here, I would sentence you to reading every comment on the 9news website about the last storm.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 7, 2010 1:47 PM MST up reply actions  

SD Cat is right though

The pro McD vs anti McD on MHR was BRUTAL….but they keep the personal stuff on there. That place is a good example of groupthink…here is what they say

“You WILL be POSITIVE about EVERYTHING Broncos or I swear to god I will rip your limbs off…feed them to my dog…then feed you what my dog leaves so you can eat your own limbs….”

Something like that

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by jpage78 on Jan 7, 2010 2:10 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

OMG!!! ROFL....

that is hysterical…seriously…laughed at that….brilliant

so glad you joined PR

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by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 2:13 PM MST up reply actions  

awwwww....well thank you

I feel quite welcome here :) It’s a good feeling

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by jpage78 on Jan 7, 2010 2:19 PM MST up reply actions  

NOW BOW BEFORE IANNETTA

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 2:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Too far....

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by Hizilla on Jan 7, 2010 2:22 PM MST up reply actions  

not till you complete that 40 foot golden statue of him

I also heard a rumor you were composing a rousing uplifting rock song detailing his mighty exploits across this great land of ours…

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by jpage78 on Jan 7, 2010 2:24 PM MST up reply actions  

that's it

I’m not confiding in you people for anything anymore

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 2:28 PM MST up reply actions  

How do your neighbors feel about this statue?

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 7, 2010 8:31 PM MST up reply actions  

well I have them all under my mind control by now

they all appreciate woba by now

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 8:35 PM MST up reply actions  

by now by now by now

yeesh

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 8:36 PM MST up reply actions  

the neighbors were mesmerized

by the dreaminess of the statue

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by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 8:37 PM MST up reply actions  

So Redhawk is not your neighbor I take it

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 7, 2010 8:57 PM MST up reply actions  

wow, that sounds awful

here, we’re similar, but it’s less “AGGGGGGG NO ROCKIES NEGATIVITY” but rather “dude, we know that Barmes swings at the slider in the dirt. Let’s get some perspective here.”

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 2:19 PM MST up reply actions  

the only time we don't like negativity is during game threads

and everyone is all screw Barmes…he’s a jerk…

that we don’t like so much..:)

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by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 2:28 PM MST up reply actions  

that is true

that’s where your annoyingness is parted and the cheeriness breaks through like the sun

(you’re not that annoying I’m just teasing)

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 2:29 PM MST up reply actions  

darn....I wanted to be Rookie of the Year/Most Newly Annoying and Cheery...

fffffffffffffffffff

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by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 2:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks Muzia!!!

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by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 2:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd probably vote for you as roty

you or FooMan (I think he was a rookie)

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 2:37 PM MST up reply actions  

I think

RhodeIsland should be on the ballot as well. He provides some good perspectives (even if they’re ALLWRONG)

Also, the READandLEARN guy. I’m just throwing that out there.

(Also me, although I’m not very prolific…or relevent, really…)

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by Justus on Jan 7, 2010 3:05 PM MST up reply actions  

well now..if we are going to talk

about insightful perspectives as opposed to prolificness(is that a word)

then I’m screwed…lol

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by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 3:08 PM MST up reply actions  

I figured RIR was a september callup

he’ll be eligible next season for it

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 3:09 PM MST up reply actions  

I really do think

he was the craftiest troll I’ve ever seen.

Saved by the buoyancy of citrus.

by Justus on Jan 7, 2010 3:28 PM MST up reply actions  

it was hilarious

and infuriating

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 3:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Crafty trolls scare me

Bone eating….living under bridges…

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by jpage78 on Jan 7, 2010 3:36 PM MST up reply actions  

haha

yeah that guy makes his appearances

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 3:40 PM MST up reply actions  

goddamn these are funny

http://i48.tinypic.com/20p94eg.png (too wide to display here)

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 3:51 PM MST up reply actions  

LOL

Sad I missed this…

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by Hizilla on Jan 7, 2010 4:05 PM MST up reply actions  

The comments in the original post are the greatest thing ever.

Too bad the ultimate greatest comment got deleted. I’m at least glad I was around when it happened. And we’ve still got Franchise’s post in that thread as proof.

by holly96 on Jan 7, 2010 3:55 PM MST up reply actions  

I think I missed the greatest comment unfortunately

but I love how the guy continued to log into the Row for a month after these posts. Quite the commitment.

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by Muzia on Jan 7, 2010 3:58 PM MST up reply actions  

There are still some pretty great ones left.

And not just his. The whole thread is a riot. I had completely forgotten about the comparison to the shoplifter kid from Empire Records. I think people even started calling him Warren.

by holly96 on Jan 7, 2010 4:01 PM MST up reply actions  

We need another good troll around here

That thread – although I wasn’t here yet when it happened – is hilarious. I imagine that there’ll be plenty when next season rolls around, and I’ll be sick of them. But from a comedy standpoint they’re gold.

by controlled_slide on Jan 7, 2010 4:09 PM MST up reply actions  

I bet I can still see it

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 3:59 PM MST up reply actions  

nahhhh it got deleted

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 4:04 PM MST up reply actions  

I’m pretty proud to be the guy who both captured ‘**** YOUR REPLY LINK’ for posterity and precipitated the ‘read and learn’ comment.

That thread is absolutely legendary.

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by Franchise26 on Jan 7, 2010 4:21 PM MST up reply actions  

^5

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 4:30 PM MST up reply actions  

seriously, I wanted to READ and LEARN

about how good Seth Smith is

please tell me i don’t know anything about the guy he plays baseball right

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 7:55 PM MST up reply actions  

I really appreciate the nomination

but I have to agree with RMN. I wasn’t here long enough get the award and was more of a September callup.

I consider myself the early favorite for next year’s award though :-)

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 7, 2010 8:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Where is FooMan btw?

I guess the hot stove season bores him

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 7, 2010 3:43 PM MST up reply actions  

it must

he usually comes in to tell me where my articles are wrong

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 3:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Maybe you haven't been wrong in a while

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 7, 2010 4:11 PM MST up reply actions  

ya thanks

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 4:20 PM MST up reply actions  

People were getting mad at Marquis at the end of the year too

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 7, 2010 8:32 PM MST up reply actions  

I like positivity

with a healthy dose of cynicism…if thats possible

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by jpage78 on Jan 7, 2010 2:29 PM MST up reply actions  

i agree...and you've come to the right place for that :)

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by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 2:32 PM MST up reply actions  

it is, and I personally promote it

but a lot of posters can’t read any tone into what is typed, so the humorous cynicism is mistook for serious criticism and/or vitriol, and then you get a cavalcade of supporters of the most hardcore fans of that particular player (and yes, every player has them, just ask anyone here about Mike McCoy).

Now that I’ve basically described how any devoted site of any particular team tends to run, be as cynical as you can, I know that at least a handful of our posters will join in.

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 2:33 PM MST up reply actions  

I'll draw guns on anyone who speaks ill of

…..Charlie Hayes…..

Kidding

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by jpage78 on Jan 7, 2010 2:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I heard baseball card?

I have a few of his in a binder of third basemen for the Rockies

JFK

by jrockies on Jan 7, 2010 2:37 PM MST up reply actions  

I have several of his cards at home

but one day, someone at work walked up to me and said “hey I found this on the floor and I know you like baseball”

A Charlie Hayes card? How random! So I kept it at work

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by Muzia on Jan 7, 2010 2:39 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm a Seth Smith fanboy

Love him

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by jpage78 on Jan 7, 2010 2:52 PM MST up reply actions  

twRMNs

apologies to charlie77

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by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 4:42 PM MST up reply actions  

LOL..

and the revolution begins.

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by Charlie77 on Jan 7, 2010 6:54 PM MST up reply actions  

ain't that the truth

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 7:55 PM MST up reply actions  

The best

was sitting with you at a game and McCoy comes in to pinch run, and you stand up and start screaming. Everyone in the section is looking at you thinking “Who the F is Mike McCoy”.

Hating Cubs fans since 1908

by Hizilla on Jan 7, 2010 2:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I hope he heard me :3

<3<3<3

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 2:38 PM MST up reply actions  

RMN

Who’s Mike McCoy?

JFK

by jrockies on Jan 7, 2010 2:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I will slap you so super hard

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 2:37 PM MST up reply actions  

He alternates as a sometimes Rockie

and Denver Broncos “offensive coordinator”…

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by jpage78 on Jan 7, 2010 2:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Offensive Coordinator

wasn’t that an oxymoron this year?

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by Hizilla on Jan 7, 2010 2:40 PM MST up reply actions  

LOL

indeed it was

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by jpage78 on Jan 7, 2010 2:41 PM MST up reply actions  

let's not talk about the broncos

I come here to avoid hearing about that “professional” “team”

ROCKEFELLER!!!

by Muzia on Jan 7, 2010 2:41 PM MST up reply actions  

my apologies

so how about those Rapids?

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by jpage78 on Jan 7, 2010 2:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Go NUGGETS!!! Go AVS!!!

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by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 2:43 PM MST up reply actions  

go Nugs!!

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by jpage78 on Jan 7, 2010 2:47 PM MST up reply actions  

9:1

Signature:Comment ratio

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by Hizilla on Jan 7, 2010 2:47 PM MST up reply actions  

don't you even associate Mike McCoy the awesome utility AAA guy

with some foobal thing

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 2:42 PM MST up reply actions  

I will order that other guy to change his name

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by jpage78 on Jan 7, 2010 2:44 PM MST up reply actions  

I get the impression

that Toronto sees him as their MLB Utility guy this year…

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by Hizilla on Jan 7, 2010 2:45 PM MST up reply actions  

I KNOW AND IT BURNS ME UP INSIDE

“oh we need a right handed utility guy who can-”

YOU ALREADY HAD HIM YOU FOOLS

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 2:49 PM MST up reply actions  

this pre-supposes the Broncos

have an offense that needs coordinating :P

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by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 2:43 PM MST up reply actions  

A's resign Jack Cust

well there goes Rox hopes for getting a good DH this year…oh wait…they play in the real baseball league. NM.

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by Hizilla on Jan 7, 2010 2:51 PM MST reply actions  

I don't think

we wanted him back anyway

JFK

by jrockies on Jan 7, 2010 2:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Okay time for a serious question...

I know there are a few projection systems out there (CHONE, FIGGINS, etc.) Is there one that is consistently better, or is it kind of a crapshoot?

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by Justus on Jan 7, 2010 3:11 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

hehehe

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by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 3:17 PM MST up reply actions  

I can't help it.

whenever I see CHONE projections, I think of Chone Figgins, and get thoroughly annoyed by the spelling of his first name all over again.

Anywho, it just seems to me like some systems would be better at projecting players’ performances, taking into account upward and downward trends, figuring out what’s a fluke or not, etc., I just don’t know which ones.

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by Justus on Jan 7, 2010 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

It's a play on the name Sean

the guy who does the CHONE projections’ name is Sean Smith. I may be stating the obvious here…

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by Hizilla on Jan 7, 2010 3:28 PM MST up reply actions  

I actually didn't know that.

I always assumed it stood for something.

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by Justus on Jan 7, 2010 4:54 PM MST up reply actions  

There are others

Nate Silver named PECOTA after Bill Pecota. My favorite is Marcel which Tom Tango named after the monkey on Friends…

by phishbate on Jan 7, 2010 5:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Tom Tango is my new hero.

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by Charlie77 on Jan 7, 2010 6:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Why

did Tom name himself “Tango”?

by Salty on Jan 8, 2010 8:05 AM MST up reply actions  

huh

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 9, 2010 9:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Because he's a fan of..

MTV’s ABDC

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by Charlie77 on Jan 10, 2010 1:36 AM MST up reply actions  

CHONE is actually named after Chone Figgins

I’m partial to PECTOA but all the major systems have their strengths & weaknesses.

by phishbate on Jan 7, 2010 3:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Is it really?

Maybe if Dan O’Dowd never traded him, he would have flamed out in our system, and the CHONE projections would be just SMITH

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 7, 2010 3:47 PM MST up reply actions  

LOL!! I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking along those lines

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by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 3:50 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't like any of them

I think they’re all a crapshoot. If you went and summed them all up and averaged them out, you might have something that looks just like the player’s career line.

I always figure you take their career line and just take their season into account, are they old? young? and then just make your own guess. It’ll probably be just about as correct as theirs.

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 3:38 PM MST up reply actions  

As I'm sure you know

Fangraphs has fan projections now. I’m very very interested to see how they compare to other systems.

Like you say though, projections are just a scientific guess. It can’t account for intangibles, injuries, etc but can be very useful in getting a sense of what can be expected.

by phishbate on Jan 7, 2010 3:41 PM MST up reply actions  

I think I'm going to have to take a course on all these metrics

….I was reading the links you guys referred me to…and my eyes were starting to cross. I will work diligently to understand however.

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by jpage78 on Jan 7, 2010 3:42 PM MST up reply actions  

READ THEM AGAIN

the idea is with the batting metrics, they’re all there to improve on batting average and put more depth behind them. When you see them, just think Batting Average, in the sense that a higher number is better. If you want to be a bit more specific, the tables at the bottom of both of them kind of give you that scale

the FIP/tRA are just ERA but one is “how good were they without defense” and the other is “what kind of ERA SHOULD they have based on how they pitched” – when you see those, just think ERA as far as scaling, etc goes.

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 3:45 PM MST up reply actions  

will do

I’m only 31 but it’s been a good nine years since I seriously looked at stats. It’s just a matter repetition. When I go about this I want to become an expert. Thus why it frustrates me at the beginning.

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by jpage78 on Jan 7, 2010 3:48 PM MST up reply actions  

I totally understand, deep end and all that

ask us questions at any point if you get lost

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 3:50 PM MST up reply actions  

It feels like longer than a year since I discovered wOBA

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 7, 2010 3:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Did your brain do some revised history?

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 7, 2010 8:44 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd suggest focusing on one or two common stats like OPS

I’d also try to filter out the “w” and “+” adjustments when thinking about them at first. It will be easier to move onto the more advanced stats once you have a feel for a few of the base ones.

Equations tend to throw a lot of people, if so it can help generalizing the main factors that go into a stat and how to use it, rather than a real mathematical understanding.

by phishbate on Jan 7, 2010 3:55 PM MST up reply actions  

I plan on using Wins and RBIs more this year.

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 7:56 PM MST up reply actions  

I kept trying to jump into the catcher debate..

to show how CDI sucked in clutch avg, but his avg with RISP is actually pretty good.

With RISP – .268
2/outs RISP – .311
but..
Whenever he bats with 2 strikes his average drops to .154 Barmes hits .210 w/2 strikes.

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by Charlie77 on Jan 7, 2010 8:30 PM MST up reply actions  

what's league average on 2 strikes

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 8:36 PM MST up reply actions  

The Rockies team avg was .197 in 09.

…the league average was .183 last year.

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by Charlie77 on Jan 7, 2010 8:42 PM MST up reply actions  

what was Yorvit's with 2 strikes?

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by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 8:44 PM MST up reply actions  

yay barmes is above average!

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 9:49 PM MST up reply actions  

O_O yikes...

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by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 8:38 PM MST up reply actions  

IAWTC

The concepts are more important to understand than the equations. Most Saber stats kind of build off of each other so take them one or two at a time.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 7, 2010 8:46 PM MST up reply actions  

That's what I was inclined to believe, I just wasn't completely sure...

(Disclaimer: DUH statement coming) but some things can be projected into a trend, some things just can’t. Like if you look at Tulo’s bad starts, you can explain all of them (2007: Rookie season/adjusting to major league pitching, 2008: injury, 2009: batting stance issues) and it kind of makes me wonder if Tulo isn’t due to burn everything up in April and May this year.

I just realized, I don’t really have a point here, just pondering.

/wanders off to re-read hilarious troll posts.

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by Justus on Jan 7, 2010 4:53 PM MST up reply actions  

I'll probably try that

I’m not confused so much as there’s alot of minutia.

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by jpage78 on Jan 7, 2010 3:58 PM MST reply actions  

sorry....this was mean to be a reply

my bad

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by jpage78 on Jan 7, 2010 4:00 PM MST up reply actions  

OT but - I'm going to my first ice hockey game!

In Helsinki, the night we arrive. When we went to NYC last January, we spent our first night at a Knicks game.

That means, when added to the New Britain Rock Cats baseball game I saw in 2006, and the Bucs Vs Pats game played at Wembley a couple of months ago, I’ll have seen games in all four of the American sports!

by biondino on Jan 7, 2010 4:00 PM MST reply actions  

"niche sport played by foreigners"

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by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 4:45 PM MST up reply actions  

unlike baseball

the Pure American Sport

ROCKEFELLER!!!

by Muzia on Jan 7, 2010 5:03 PM MST up reply actions  

lol man

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by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 5:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Roll Tide

Adios everyone

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by Hizilla on Jan 7, 2010 5:07 PM MST reply actions  

hook em horns!!!

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Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
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by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 5:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Poor Colt..:(

Poor freshman QB:(

but that was a nice little gain there…

watch out Mr. Man….the comeback is nye…

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Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
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by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 8:36 PM MST up reply actions  

brick by brick...!!!!

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Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 9:36 PM MST up reply actions  

turning it on now

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 7, 2010 9:39 PM MST up reply actions  

This is getting interesting now

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 7, 2010 9:44 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm just really rooting for a good game

and for the Big 12

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Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
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by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 9:48 PM MST up reply actions  

maybe not...if defense can keep it to a field goal

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Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
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by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 9:50 PM MST up reply actions  

too bad....

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Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 9:55 PM MST up reply actions  

well boo...fumble...

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Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 9:49 PM MST up reply actions  

HOOK 'EM

(we are going to get crushed…sigh)

ROCKEFELLER!!!

by Muzia on Jan 7, 2010 6:13 PM MST up reply actions  

not getting crushed...

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Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 9:49 PM MST up reply actions  

crushed

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 9:50 PM MST up reply actions  

not yet!!

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Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 9:50 PM MST up reply actions  

yet...:(

Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.

Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 9:54 PM MST up reply actions  

"They fired me for being too old. I'll never make the mistake of turning seventy again." -- Casey Stengel after being let go by the Yankees

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 7, 2010 10:02 PM MST up reply actions  

well, the freshman QB was admirable in tough spot....

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Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 10:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes

Although it ended really ugly

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 7, 2010 10:07 PM MST up reply actions  

That would have been an unbelieveable story though

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 7, 2010 10:08 PM MST up reply actions  

/sigh

I am proud of my boys. We almost beat OMG TEH SEC with our backup freshman QB.

Poor, poor Colt. One of my faves rides offf into the sunset a star crossed player his entire career.

ROCKEFELLER!!!

by Muzia on Jan 7, 2010 10:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Boise State should be the..

National Champs!

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by Charlie77 on Jan 7, 2010 7:00 PM MST up reply actions  

this

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Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 7:49 PM MST up reply actions  

They should get to play Alabama after tonight

I’d actually watch that game

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 7, 2010 8:51 PM MST up reply actions  

unless they get to play Texas :)

Texas is picking away…

Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.

Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
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Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!

by SDcat09 on Jan 7, 2010 9:19 PM MST up reply actions  

So if Alabama killed Texas..

and was killed by Utah last year, what does that make Utah?

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by Charlie77 on Jan 8, 2010 6:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Utah.

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by Russ Oates on Jan 8, 2010 7:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Nothing (or what Russ said)

They beat them last year. (OR two years ago now)

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 8, 2010 11:48 PM MST up reply actions  

The Utah Attorney General is suing the BCS..

for anti-trust stating the University of Utah lost millions of dollars last year because it was not given a shot at the national title. I think he has a good case after the team Utah beat just won the National Title. Heck, Boise State could have beat Alabama IMO.

"They’re elitists. They think they’re above it all. And if teams do well enough and go undefeated like Utah did last year and TCU and Boise State has done now two years in a row we may let you play for the table scraps. And it really is table scraps when you see the hundreds of millions of dollars that go out to all the conferences all the schools in the preferred conferences and how little bit the non-preferred schools get." ~ Attorney General Mark Shurtleff said.

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by Charlie77 on Jan 9, 2010 12:08 AM MST up reply actions  

I hope they win

Anything that make the BCS look bad makes me happy.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 9, 2010 1:03 AM MST up reply actions  

GO FOOBAL

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 7, 2010 7:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Go away football

I want baseball back

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 7, 2010 8:52 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I should change my profile page...

I’m going to miss Mr. Kingery

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by Charlie77 on Jan 7, 2010 7:01 PM MST up reply actions  

I will also

But only hypothetically. I don’t listen to games anymore, as I live well out of radio range.

by controlled_slide on Jan 7, 2010 7:08 PM MST up reply actions  

You can if you go to

freeballradio.com. Thats what I do when I’m not at home and can’t see the game.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 7, 2010 8:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Of course you can't see how it works now because there's no games but check it out during the season

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 7, 2010 8:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Is it legal?

I mean, you have to pay for the MLB radio on MLB.com, so how can they do it for free?

by controlled_slide on Jan 7, 2010 8:56 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't know

All I know is that it works. (About 90% of the time)

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 7, 2010 8:57 PM MST up reply actions  

It's definitely not legal.

It tends to be smaller, rural stations that should be turning off their stream but don’t. I’ve done it a couple times when Gameday Audio wasn’t working, but I’m anal about that kind of thing, so I buy Gameday Audio for the season.

by holly96 on Jan 7, 2010 9:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, I've been thinking about getting MLB.tv

Or Gameday audio. I’m not the sort to get the shady version.

by controlled_slide on Jan 7, 2010 9:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Hey, hey,hey

When it comes to the Rockies I will get my fill through any means necessary. :-)

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 7, 2010 9:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Just use Gameday

It’s a little boring, but free.

by controlled_slide on Jan 7, 2010 9:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Plus, then you can get excited

By dorky things like when the little box says “In play, run(s)”. It’s strangely exhilarating.

by controlled_slide on Jan 7, 2010 9:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Lmao exactly :P

That’s what I’m forced to do for about every single Rockies game unless we play the Giants, Braves, or Cubs or lucky enough to be aired by FOX or ESPN. But that hardly happens..so I don’t see a whole lot of games really.

Remember old folks, I'm just 18 years old =]

by CentralCaliRox on Jan 7, 2010 11:58 PM MST up reply actions  

I use both

It’s really funny when gameday and the announcer don’t agree on pitch location

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 7, 2010 9:23 PM MST up reply actions  

That's too bad

I have some great memories listening to games there including the 22 inning game

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 7, 2010 9:10 PM MST up reply actions  

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