Saturday Rockpile: Giambi not the right guy, Rockies continue to execute their player development gameplan, more.
by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jan 9, 2010 9:37 AM MST
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Krieger: Giambi likable but not right for '10 Rox - The Denver Post
Dave Krieger explains how Giambi doesn't really have place on the Rockies' 25-man roster for 2010. He also speculates that the Rockies could go after any one of Orlando Hudson, Miguel Tejada, Orlando Cabrera, and Melvin Mora - in addition to the two utility bench guys the club has already been linked to in Fernando Tatis and Robb Quinlan. I agree with Krieger here - I like the Giambino, but he doesn't really fill any of the club's needs at this point.
Patient plan pays dividends for Rockies | ColoradoRockies.com: News
Thomas Harding checks in with a large piece about the Rockies' continued efforts to build from within. Colorado's three-step process requires solid execution in the draft and development areas, with which the club has seemed to do well recently, despite making a few mistakes (cough Greg sneeze Reynolds cough). The Rox set themselves up for their current run by locking up guys like Aaron Cook, Jeff Francis, Manuel Corpas, Troy Tulowitzki, Brad Hawpe, and now Chris Iannetta prior to the bulk of their arbitration years. The only one of those signings that can legitimately be argued against is that of Corpas, who has been sub par at best since being extended. Since it is now known, however, that he wasn't healthy for a large part of the past two seasons, it will be quite interesting to see how he bounces back. Either that, or he needs to start pouring cups of mysterious liquid onto his hands again (rolls eyes).
Andres Galarraga talks about the hall of fame voting, which saw him fall short of the 5% required to stay on the ballot.
The Rockies also made a couple of behind-the-scenes changes recently, as well as some minor league coach-shuffling:
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Cabrera, Tejada, Hudson, Mora
I don’t see Cabrera as being a fit for us at all, as a light hitting defensive MI backup we can pay Q $$$’s less.
Tejada would be nice, but he will get offered a starting gig somewhere, which is something we can’t offer him, though he may have to drop his demands somewhat.
Hudson would probably be the best option available, depending on the price he could be gotten for. My personal opinion is that there will be a team out there who will guarantee him more money/playing time than we would be willing to.
Mora seems to be the best fit at the moment coming off a substandard season and able to play defense at both corners. I’d be quite happy if we got him as I think we’d be able to get him quite cheap, though maybe not as cheap as Tatis.
Please no Cabrera...
I was in college in Orange County when Orlando Cabrera was the Angels shortstop. I can honestly say that I believe he is the most overrated player in baseball. Everyone says that he is a great defender, but he really doesn’t have great range and his arm is average at best. On top of that, he starts complaining if he doesn’t get his way.
Does anyone else wonder why guys like this find their way to new teams every single year? If they were as good as everyone thinks a team would lock them in for more than a year.
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Hmm.
Hudson would probably be the best option available, depending on the price he could be gotten for. My personal opinion is that there will be a team out there who will guarantee him more money/playing time than we would be willing to.
If we got Hudson, he would (in all likelihood) be our starting second baseman and that would move Barmes to super-utility. So to say that another team would offer him more playing team is void really.
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true
But the fact that the FO seems to have committed itself to Barmes is a major reason why I doubt we’d sign a Hudson. If I were O-Dog, I’d be worried that there was the potential for his job to be taken by Barmes here, whereas if he went somewhere like the Nats or the Mets (assuming they offload Castillo), he’s pretty much guaranteed the 2B job for the year
I could see him going to the Mets.
I think that if we sign him, he would be handed the keys to the starting second baseman job unless he doesn’t produce at all, THEN Barmey takes over. Barmes fits the super utility man quite perfectly.
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I agree he fits the utility role perfectly, with good D and power
I just think the front office has already decided Barmes is who they’re going with at 2nd this year
But if we're chasing O-Dawg, we're targetting him to start 2nd base.
If we don’t go after him, then yeah we’re committed to Barmes.
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But didn't he want to go to the Mets last year
when they decided to use Castillo instead. Castillo hit .300 last year and they have Reyes coming back so I don’t think it makes much sense for them to sign him.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 9, 2010 2:12 PM MST up reply actions
Please get us Hudson
I would love that. Another name to possibly look at is Jerry Hairston Jr. He would definitly be they type of player we are looking for.
yea i wouldn't mind
Jerry Hairston Jr…i was thinking that would be a good move a few months ago
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by TuLoRocks2008 on Jan 9, 2010 10:44 AM MST up reply actions
This
I never thought about JHJ for our utility guy, but he wouldn’t be bad. I think he’s about 34(!? that may be wrong I’m going off memory) and seems like a winner.
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Agree on get Hudson
He would make the average OBP of this offense amoung the best in all of baseball.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 9, 2010 2:14 PM MST up reply actions
My personal favorite is Tatis...
…because of the combination of price and production.
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jan 9, 2010 10:18 AM MST reply actions
What if
We could afford anyone of those guys without it hurting our ability to make moves later in the season. Who would you choose then.
Assuming you're also taking the players' personal desires out of the equation,
then I’d go with Tejada. Otherwise, probably Hudson (though I really, really do like Tatis).
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jan 9, 2010 11:22 AM MST up reply actions
Is EY2
even considered as an option for the utility guy? Can he play third? If so I like him much better than any of those options. He will save us loads of money to use towards a right handed power bat to back up Helton and the outfield corners. Keep in mind we still may need to add depth to the starting rotation. Who knows how well Francis is going to come back or either of the Greg’s. We also need a back up in case of injury. I’m still crossing my fingers for Pedro Martinez. It’s a long shot but from what I hear he’s already buddies with Ubaldo.
I personally think he could use a season of....seasoning
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 9, 2010 2:59 PM MST up reply actions
I should probably expound upon this
He can play 2B, but we’re not sure how he can REALLY play 2B. I’ve heard “good range, bad hands”, “bad range, bad hands”, and I don’t know which to believe. MinorLeagueSplits sees him as a +4 run defender. Not wins, runs.
we’ve seen him in CF, and he looks completely lost and silly.
I doubt he can play 3B and especially not SS or 1B. Maybe the corners, but we’re stacked there.
The reason I say this is we have a guy who is a questionable fielder (and I’m not trying to crucify him here, but it’s a question mark) at his primary position and there’s really nothing to go off of at the other positions, and he’s an unproven bat at best.
How does that fit into being a utility guy?
He needs to have a big ST.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 9, 2010 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
Time will tell I guess
I think his bat and speed are worth giving him every shot we can though and he’s much cheaper than the other options that’s for sure. Being the optimist that I am I would take an exciting young player over an aging Tejada. Also, we plugged Stewart in at second for a while. No way Stewie is a better second baseman than EY.
We plugged Stewart in at 2B because the organization hadn't realized that Atkins sucks.
I think a lot of people are awfully sold on EY’s bat when we don’t really have much to base that on, other than his dad and Jr’s wheels.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 9, 2010 4:33 PM MST up reply actions
he does have speed
but I’m not sure about his fielding at all. Now….we DO have a limited sample size, and he’s quite young. I think he will be a mid season call up.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 9, 2010 6:37 PM MST up reply actions
I would love Tejada's bat
But at this point in his career, can he field? He was pretty bad fielding last year, and has only played SS, so that knocks him down a bit. Maybe if he switched to 2B, it could work?
I wouldn't really want him.
Washed up, previous ’roid user. Pass.
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Hm good point.
But Giambi brings something that IMO Tejada doesn’t and that’s attitude. While I agree with Krieger and grizzly that Giambino doesn’t really fit into our plans this season, a part of me wants him back simply for his September clutch hitting. Tejada is a more expensive alternative than Hudson, Tatis, Quinlann, and probably Cabrera.. I mean if we sign him (which I HIGHLY doubt) I could live with it I guess.
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bring giambi back
although the guy isn’t EXACTALY what we need, i think he is a real good value for the rockies. he provides a certain swagger and clubhouse presence, and gives us an every night pinch hit threat that opposing managers will have to take into account. we have plenty of good defensive backup players to double switch with him. he is exactally the kind of guy who comes to colorado, finds his swing and his mojo and gets traded for more than he is really worth. I also think it gives us a good power option if we have a slumping fill in the blank and allows us to evaluate said players later in the season(i personally am worried that stewart will not work out for us). I know he bats from the wrong side, but I think he will give us good value and good trade options later in the year.
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by christianrockie on Jan 9, 2010 1:26 PM MST up reply actions
If only Giambi could play third base too....
Unfortunately for him, at this stage, he’ll have to settle for being Lenny Harris 2010. Hopefully we can find a way to pick him up for September again.
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I think Giambi may struggle to get a job
There are a lot of DH types out there in Vlad/Dye/Thome/Sheffield, and not enough spots available, and Giambi isn’t versatile enough to keep as a bench bat
Which is why we shouldn't be pursuing Giambi either
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 9, 2010 5:34 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, and all three of those guys you mentioned
are probably preferable options over Giambi. I think Guerrero still has a lot left in that bat. He hit about .290 in an injury ridden season. If he signs with Texas, he could have a monster season.
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I wouldn't call him washed up
But he’d have to prove that he could play 2nd base if we were to consider him.
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I think Tejada has said he would ideally play 3rd
which would be good for us as a partner to Stewie at that corner, and also a backup SS for Tulo. Then you have Hawpe/Tejada to back up 1st, EY2 for 2nd and Tejada for 3rd with Tulo likely an everyday player.
This is all moot though IMO as Tejada is going to get a starting job somewhere
I'm in
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 9, 2010 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
I know Flores was pretty effective last season.
But I worry about this season..I don’t want another Alan Embree
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Crap, I didn't put that link to open up in another window or link.
Can somehow explain how to do that again please?
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by controlled_slide on Jan 9, 2010 1:09 PM MST up reply actions
YOU WASTED A LINK ON *ALAN EMBREE*?!?!?!?
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 9, 2010 3:11 PM MST up reply actions
To paraphrase a famous Illinois gov...
“A link is a f$%^in’ valuable thing! You don’t just give it away!!”
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Ah I see it now.
See I just followed the Formatting Guide and put the quote and colon followed by the webpage to do it. I didn’t even notice those buttons up top haha. Thanks.
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Well, you can do it without the window
Just type “target=”new"" after your endquotes.
by controlled_slide on Jan 9, 2010 1:37 PM MST up reply actions
O-Dawg
would be a good call. I think he’s exactly what the Rox need. No draft picks lost either since the Dodgers didn’t offer him arb
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The Dodgers signed Russ Ortiz today as a non-roster invitee to ST
Here’s hoping he makes the 25 man roster
I saw that.
First thought, how could he have fallen so much? Oh, steroids. Man, that whole SF Giants team that made it to the WS looked like they were on ’Roids!!!!!!
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They were too
Bonds and Santiago for sure. Who knows who else….
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Exactly the two names I was thinking of.
I watched that Game 7 and Santiago was old and buff. I’m reading a SI article right now about Bonds’ steroid use and Anderson giving Giant players steroids in 2000.
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Yep
They some other guys before the 2002 season too like Bobby Estalella. EVERYONE knew that guy was on the juice….
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yep
dude was a beefcake
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Anyone else get a little excited over that rotation?
I think it may have been discussed, but seeing the starters listed out that is potentially a VERY strong starting staff.
And I hope Francis is back and healthy. I always liked watching his 88 MPH fastball mess with hitters heads over and over.
I'm so stoked for Baldo this year
If he keeps improving has he has over the past few seasons, he could be a breakout candidate this season.
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Agreed
the stuff has always been there, but the confidence, control and endurance have all caught up. Could finish in the top 5 Cy Young consideration this year.
This is the best part
A young stud who seems to be figuring it out.
I agree
I think from top to bottom it has the potential to be one fo the best in baseball
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it was the best in baseball last season
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 9, 2010 4:33 PM MST up reply actions
This is according to FIP right
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 10, 2010 12:29 AM MST up reply actions
WAR, actually
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 10, 2010 12:57 AM MST up reply actions
That works too
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 10, 2010 1:20 AM MST up reply actions
huh
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 10, 2010 2:18 PM MST up reply actions
Apparently, the Orioles are waiting for the market to shape up on Hendrickson
He’s a good veteran lefty reliever who can give us multiple innings, prevent us from using Flores at all (unless 2-3 bullpen guys go down), and can be had for about 2-3 million dollars. I would love to have a guy like that on the team.
Stat lines as a reliever: 1.27 WHIP, 9.16 H/9, 2.29 BB/9, 6.05 K/9, 2.66 K/9, 3.44 ERA, and 4 HR’s allowed. With those numbers improving a bit (because after all, he did have to face TB, NY, and BOS a lot), signing him makes tons of sense.
Impossible not to have positive thoughts.
I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.
Oh, and the Rockies wanted him at the deadline in 2009
So there should probably be some level of interest.
Impossible not to have positive thoughts.
I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.
we've been wanting him for a couple of years now
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 9, 2010 4:34 PM MST up reply actions
WHY?
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jan 10, 2010 8:33 AM MST up reply actions
the aforementioned reasons
good from the pen, good against lhp, sweet fadeaway jump shot
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 10, 2010 2:19 PM MST up reply actions
Troy Tulowitzki is currently on the front page of mlb.com
Relates to an interesting article showing DOD’s method of signing players through their arb and early free agent years, nice to see it getting some props. Link
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saw that article
It’s a very good one. Dan O’Dowd has gone from a laughing stock to a genius in the matter of a few years.
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I think the Holliday trade has helped
with the whole “smart” thing. I think DOD has come up with an ingenious way to work with his limited budget…and he should get major props for that. (as it looks like he is)
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 9, 2010 5:35 PM MST up reply actions
Nah
It’s like winning a Grammy….no one cares. lol
Kidding
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On a random sidenote..
Conor Graham was ranked 22nd in the Indians system according to a Minor League scout
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 9, 2010 4:45 PM MST up reply actions
He was the prospect we traded to Cleveland for Rafael Betancourt
22nd was about where we had him on our PuRP’s list before the trade
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 9, 2010 5:36 PM MST up reply actions
You can live in Colorado full time in May?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 9, 2010 5:36 PM MST up reply actions
That sounds wise
Good luck with the job hunt. It’s not easy in any field
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 9, 2010 5:41 PM MST up reply actions
Vlad just came to an agreement with the Rangers
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good for him
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 9, 2010 9:20 PM MST up reply actions
right on...
I will laugh if he whoops up on the Angels…
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie!
Yorvit Torrealba-Thank you for your clutchiness, en fuegoness and 2 point take down of Matt Kemp!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
He has absolutely torn apart the Ballpark in Arlington in his career
He’s in for a big season in my opinion
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by Hollidayrain on Jan 9, 2010 11:00 PM MST up reply actions
swan sonnnnng
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 10, 2010 12:58 AM MST up reply actions
whoah watch out seattle the Rangers are coming
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 9, 2010 10:32 PM MST up reply actions
So lets review
The Angels this offseason have seen the Red Sox (who they hate) sign their former Ace John Lackey, they then had to watch division rival Seattle sign their former spark plug in Chone Figgins and pick up Cliff Lee in the Roy Halladay deal, and now their former slugger has signed with another division rival in Texas. If I were an Angel fan I would not be pleased.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 10, 2010 12:48 AM MST up reply actions
What HAVE they done
Signed Matsui anddddddddddd (who was that RP they got a few days ago) Rodney? I can’t be too sure on that.. But yeah this could be the season where most likely the Mariners but possibly the Rangers overthrow them
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Chapman just went for 30 million to an unknown National League team
Wow………….
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I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.
WHOA
I really thought Toronto would sign him..
It has to be the Cubs or the Mets, has to be
ROCKEFELLER!!!
Reds
I’m surprised.
Impossible not to have positive thoughts.
I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.
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