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A question about Jorge de la Rosa

As a newcomer to Purple Row I have a question: What happened to transform Jorge de la Rosa from a player that the Brewers and Royals were glad to be rid of to a player that the Rockies want to keep? In 2007 his xFIP with the Royals was 5.11. In 2008 with the Rockies it was 4.06, which is a major change. To be sure, he still walks too many, but he is a pitcher than many clubs would be happy to have. What happened? 


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I for one welcome our vowel-friendly overlords

Basically, compared to his time in the majors with KC, JDLR’s Ks have gone up, walks have gone down, groundball rate has gone up, and his home runs have gone down. Other people may have a more detailed explanation of how often he uses his pitches or how he throws something different now, but the above resulting changes are the surface layer evidence of him being a better pitcher. You can also explore his Fangraphs profile for explanations about his pitch frequency, velocity, and effectiveness of each pitch.

Don’t let anyone tell you that the improvements mean the Rockies should pay more than 3yr/36m for him though.

by deacs on Oct 12, 2010 10:13 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

He has always had good stuff, but he has made improvements beyond just control.

He has switched from his breaking pitch of choice as a curveball to a slider with Colorado, which he has added velocity under Apodaca. He has also increased velocity on his fastball. DLR uses his change-up far more than he ever did before arriving in Colorado. Part of that is due to being ahead in the count more, but he’s been more willing to work backwards at times, and he has been able to induce swings at pitches out of the zone more frequently with that multi-pronged approach. He throws more strikes than he ever has before.

There could be any number of explanations for how the above improvements came to fruition. The most obvious is defeating his mental demons. de la Rosa struggled with confidence and was easily flustered on the mound when he arrived in Colorado, so the staff assigned him a sports psychologist. There isn’t a tangible direct line between the psychologist and his ERA per se, though his demeanor on the mound certainly seemed to improve.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 13, 2010 12:32 AM MDT reply actions  

Welcome!

I think Bob Apodaca has a lot to do with this. He’s almost to the point where he’s becoming Dave Duncan-esque in terms of turning around pitchers’ careers. I mean, look at guys like DLR, Jason Marquis, Rodrigo Lopez in the short time he was here, and many others…Dac deserves some credit here. That is why I’m not exactly thrilled – but can live with – the Rockies constantly raiding the scrap heap for guys that Apodaca feels he can work with.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Oct 13, 2010 7:03 AM MDT reply actions  

This is also why I'd really like to let Dac try the Jorge De La Rosa Method

on Franklin Morales, just one more time.

I feel like making Frankie a reliever was a bad idea in the first place, and I think he certainly could be much better as a starter, since he seems to freak himself out coming in for one inning in a high pressure situation.

Its probably a lost cause at this point, but Frankie’s stuff is just electric when he can control it, and I keep picturing a rotation like:

1) Ubaldo
2) Jorge
3) Chacin
4) Fixed Frankie
5) Hammel

and I start to drool uncontrollably. Sorry for getting so off-topic in this post, it was just on my mind.

by Shoemaker on Oct 13, 2010 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm with you here.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Oct 13, 2010 9:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

This is would be brilliant

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by SDcat09 on Oct 13, 2010 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Though Friedrich will probably be in the same position in 2012 as Chacin was in 2010

By the time Fixed Frankie becomes legitimate, we may have a top rookie to bring in

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 13, 2010 10:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Trade one of 'em.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Oct 14, 2010 7:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

Which means trading Friedrich

Because no one’s giving us anything for un-proven “fixed” Frankie.

by Yokel on Oct 14, 2010 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

If Frankie is fixed, wouldn't he sort of be proven?

I guess it depends on your definition of fixed……

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Oct 14, 2010 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

Once fertile, now sterile

Which is the opposite of what we want for Frankie so maybe “Fixed Frankie” is the wrong moniker.

by deacs on Oct 14, 2010 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not necessarily against this plan, either.

Hopefully he has a lights-out ’11 to raise his value.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Oct 16, 2010 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Part and parcel with this plan

is that it would be nice to have the extra picks from losing DLR to have a chance to draft a healthy version of Friedrich.

by deacs on Oct 18, 2010 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

It is imperative the Rockies hang on to Ubaldo, Jorge and Chacin for the long haul. Beyond that, see if they can one good, stable, quality picture from the ,arket, or quickly convert one of the other guys into a real performer. Rogers don’t have it yet. Morales is too risky. Francis, well he may never get it back. (Probably too much money in his contract to take the risk.) I suspect Cookie will be jettisoned. He has too many injury problems, and is overpriced. And Hammel nees to be able to step up if he is going to start.

by Real Perspective on Oct 21, 2010 12:32 PM MDT reply actions  

Rogers and Morales

are out of options now and they must make the 25 man roster next year or be subjected to waivers and subsequently lost. This could be a very interesting thing to watch over the next couple months, depending on who the club brings in as “insurance”.

With those who don't give a damn about baseball, I can only sympathize. I do not resent them. I am even willing to concede that many of them are physically clean, good to their mothers and in favor of world peace. But while the game is on, I can't think of anything to say to them. ~Art Hill
JFK

by jrockies on Oct 21, 2010 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

really? Rogers is out of options

daaaaamn

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by Resolution on Oct 21, 2010 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yep

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 21, 2010 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't like the sudden jolt

either. It would have been nice to have one more year but, he will be on an MLB roster next year, even if it’s not the Rockies :(

With those who don't give a damn about baseball, I can only sympathize. I do not resent them. I am even willing to concede that many of them are physically clean, good to their mothers and in favor of world peace. But while the game is on, I can't think of anything to say to them. ~Art Hill
JFK

by jrockies on Oct 21, 2010 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

You can't "jettison" a man who is being paid as much as Cook is

Well, you can, but unless he’s lost it completely or we can somehow trade him (really unlikely – who’d have him?) he’s in the rotation next year. He was playing very well when he got injured, remember – he’s far from an albatross and could very well be a solid no. 3 in 2011.

by biondino on Oct 22, 2010 6:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

It's really his walk rate

took a huge spike last year and for a guy who gives up as many cheap singles and stuff as him, that’s really dangerous. If the walks go back to career levels, we’ll be looking at his normal 12 win, 4.20 era season (I hope)

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Oct 22, 2010 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

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