Tuesday Rockpile: Todd Helton - The Reason to Pay Attention This Offseason
by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 19, 2010 7:42 AM MDT
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Once the Rockies' 2010 season came to a close, we, as rabid fans, immediately began postulating possibilities for the 2011 roster. Quite possibly the biggest topic has been first base. Based on the Todd Helton's strong return from the disabled list in early August, it is clear Colorado is planning on the ToddFather to be the main starter at first base once again. Jason Giambi is likely to depart, leaving a mystery to fill in on Helton's days off.
Still, big names are being discussed in radio waves and blogs on wishlists - Paul Konerko, Billy Butler, Victor Martinez, Derrek Lee, Lance Berkman. A few more reasonable names are being suggested as backups/platoon partners - Conor Jackson, Ty Wigginton, Yonder Alonso, Xavier Nady, even Chris Iannetta and Melvin Mora.
But that is not what today's Rockpile is about. That is what yesterday's was about. No...I'd like to talk about another situation regarding Todd Helton this season. Something completely different yet no less noteworthy.
I have read on the blogosphere, seen on my twitterfeed and heard relentlessly on talk radio one common theory on the Rockies: "they will not spend money or make big moves in the off-season - it's not their MO." While that has been true until now, it by no means disqualifies them from such a move now.
Since beginning GenR, the best course of action has been to allow the core to develop, supplementing with spare parts. Now, the Rockies finished off a disappointing season with areas of notable weakness in the center of the team's contention window. Dan O'Dowd is primed to do something about it. The proof isn't in the pudding...it's in Todd Helton's contract.
Recall March 11 of this year, when the Rockies announced a two-year extension for Helton. The contract was almost universally applauded, as it allowed Helton to be a Rockie for life while actually giving the Rockies a break on his 2011 salary. Helton's yearly salary is broken down below.
| Year | Before Extension | After Extension |
| 2010 | $16.60 | $16.60 |
| 2011 | $19.10 | $10.60 |
| 2012 | $4.60* | $ 4.90 |
| 2013 | $0 | $ 5.00 |
Salary in Millions. *Buyout of $23mil option.
By offering the extension, the Rockies agreed to pay Helton nearly $10mil more for the right to lower his salary in 2011 by $8.50million. I implore you to recognize one other thing from that table:
The ONLY year in which the Rockies benefit from having restructured Helton's contract is 2011.
Dan O'Dowd massaged the payroll to allow for $8.5million more in free space in 2011, and there is no point in giving Helton that extension if that money isn't used for something. That means something has to happen this offseason, and it could come in the form of a significant free agent or trade.
Of course, it isn't as simple to suggest O'Dowd can throw $8.5mil at any player in free agency. The complications briefly are: there will be some intrinsic raises due to young players under contract (Tulowitzki, Iannetta, Jimenez, Corpas, etc.), and there will be arbitration raises for likely four players (Hammel, Stewart, Delcarmen, Belisle, with Barmes likely being non-tendered). The arbitration raises won't amount to anything significant and there is also potentially $17.7million coming off the books with Francis, de la Rosa, Barmes, Giambi, and Mora not having contracts.
I'm not running the exact numbers here. Regardless of the nitty-gritty details, the crux is this:
Dan O'Dowd is a smart man. He knew the Rockies would be in a contending window in 2011, before at least one of Ubaldo Jimenez, Troy Tulowizki or Carlos Gonzalez would likely have to be traded. He borrowed from the future in the form of two additional years of Helton and 10 years of deferred payments solely to buy flexibility for 2011. He did it for a reason, and without running all the numbers (back me up Jeff and WM), that $8.5mil won't just be absorbed by raises of players on the roster. It will be for something, because the roster needs to be.
It might be as simple as signing Jorge de la Rosa, whose market value is rising significantly. (In fact, that's all the buzz). Maybe it is the ability to take on a larger salary in trade, such as Zack Greinke. Maybe signing Victor Martinez is more possible than we realize. Maybe he will just be able to shop at Target instead of Family Dollar for spare parts. At any rate, I am looking at this offseason differently than I have in the past. For the Helton extension to make sense, Dan has to have a plan.
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I've definitely been trying to play up this angle all year.
I think there’d been some overestimation about how much arb would cost our players, but as I showed in the payroll I wrote up a couple months ago, it wasn’t going to make that much of a difference. Our approach this offseason will definitely be different than in previous with the Helton salary drop.
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Supposedly
the D’Backs were considering $80 million to get Darvish if he became available. Never heard if that was just the right to negotiate or the total package (right to negotiate and contract).
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That link in the tweet you linked is awesome
So many pictures and figures
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 19, 2010 8:05 AM MDT up reply actions
I do not think the Rockies
will spend money or make big moves in the off-season.
The linked article on De La Rosa says the Rockies were hoping $7-8 mil/year for
3 years would get a deal done. Dream on. Like it or not, JDLR’s market value
as probably the best free agent pitcher not named Lee is around $10 mil per year.
If the Rockies aren’t prepared to offer him $10 mil per for 3 years, he’s not going to
sign … and he may not even for that, if he can get a 4-year deal somewhere else.
But the Rockies need to give that a try. Offering $7 – 8 mil and hoping for “home town
discount” won’t get the deal done and would be evidence that nothing has changed,
even with the extra $8.5 mil to spend.
Mediocrity sucks
Here is the thing
Jorge may be out of reach at this point, but they will still be all but forced to spend money. If they don’t go out and sign some players, they will end up reducing their payroll by up to 10 million, which would look realllllly bad in light of the strong attendance and success this team has had.
I wonder how much of a discount Jorge would be willing to give the team,
given that our coaching staff is the one that resurrected his career from the dead.
If the team thinks they could get him for $7-$8 million, we can obviously wave him goodbye, but do we think Jorge would possibly turn down a slightly better offer from, say, the Mets in order to stay with the team?
I doubt much.
Even if he thinks Dac his his savior in his gut, his agent more than likely is going to go after top dollar and advise his client that his turnaround was all him, no Dac.
Agents are cold, lifeless people.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 19, 2010 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's basically what I was thinking.
I know Jorge has said he wants to stay, but when he turned down that contract offer last year I sort of figured it was a lost cause.
Not that I’m glad Jorge got hurt or anything, but at least he didn’t win 20 games this season. He would have been impossible to re-sign.
We all thought it would have been a steal, yeah.
Sticking my agent oar in here – we have to look after all our client’s needs, and seldom are they purely financial. I don’t have any clue about DLR’s desires or personality, but if he’s been happy and successful in Colorado, and believes there is a good chance of winning with the team, then yes, I would expect him to favour staying and would instruct his agent accordingly.
I’d like to think that’s the case, but why is it news that Alex Rodriguez fired Boras because he wanted to just re-negotiate and re-sign with the Yankees? And that’s a situation where the money and climate are exactly what the Rodriguez wanted.
It’s news because good FAs often leave the bulk of negotiations up to their agents. So long as their agents land them with a team that has a chance to win, the rest is about money.
Agreed
And, say the Yanks can offer DLR a better chance of winning (IMO) than the Rox. Is DLR’s happiness in Denver – for all that entails – more important than that extra winningness the Yanks can offer? The point is a good agent should be sensitive to ALL these options so that there’s the biggest chance of pleasing his client, because there’s no point earning slightly more commission on one deal if you then lose your client.
Would the Yankees really go after Jorge?
They’ve gotta have their sights set on Lee, right? I don’t see another team prying Lee away from the Yanks if the Yanks really want him.
By Yanks I mean any of the half dozen high payroll, high quality teams who might fancy him
Really, any team that can offer him something he might want that the Rockies can’t (or only possibly can).
A good agent is only sensitive to those needs if a client instructs him to be sensitive to those needs. However, some agents will disregard or push down those needs because it’ll cost them money too.
This doesn’t apply to Jorge, but non-prime age free agents have to be concerned about getting the Orlando Hudson or Jermaine Dye treatment. Thus, they will be more willing to ignore geographic complacency if it means landing with a good team that will pay them well.
If I had to order the importance your points of sensitivity, I’d say:
1) Money
2) Winning Team
3) Location
I think that’s the rule, and FAs that reverse the order are the exception.
I agree with your order
But with all due respect, I AM an agent and it’s integral to what I do to be able to see beyond the money. I may well push for the money if all else is more or less equal, but to be honest I usually wouldn’t have to as the client is the one with the real $$$ signs in his eyes.
Yo, if you're an agent,
then quit farting around here and get JDLR signed already
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No, a film/TV agent.
But daily I have to advise my clients about potential jobs, and money isn’t the be all and end all. I lost one client because I tried to push her into a job she didn’t want to do; from my POV she hadn’t worked for ages, needed the money AND needed the augmented résumé, but from hers her fear that it would bomb (it was a remake of a much-loved 80s TV show) was more important, so she fired me for not appreciating her situation and trying to make her do something she didn’t want to do.
It's not bad :)
The estate of Roald Dahl is my biggest name, though he has several representatives as you can imagine! And HG Wells as mentioned below.
I would also say
There is a big difference between sports players and TV/Film. Correct me if I’m wrong, but much of what actors get paid is based on the success of the film or show. So, going into what will be a “bomb” is something to avoid. Athletes, on the other hand, usually get guaranteed money regardless of the teams success. So, you can still sign with the Pirates and get paid big time. I also don’t think many athletes are worried about the image of their art.
There are a lot of incentives in sports
But yes, you’re right. I don’t look after actors (writers, directors and estates instead), but all of them can often work for, say, $50k and end up earning $5m in the (very rare) event that the film is a massive success. Andi McDowell in 4 Weddings is the perfect example. She made tens of millions of dollars when her original fee would probably have been a few hundred thousand at best.
That is happening in the sports world, except instead of with emerging talent, older players are using that model to make more money on games-played/pitched incentives.
Players, however, would be a lot smarter if they switched to an hourly rate versus a flat % fee. So much cheaper for authors and athletes.
I have to imagine that money plays a more significant part in sports representation than say, literary or cinematic.
I think money plays a huge part
solely because it appears there’s little variation among the other parts. The job is more or less the same, I’d imagine the culture of clubs is fairly similar, there’s a lot of good cities with teams.
Our biggest strength is that we fixed him, which is no small detail…
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There’s certainly not a fear of typecasting, cultural relevance, or lead/support roles for big money free agents.
baseball has actually done a tremendous job
of being an incredibly homogeneous entity. Only recently has that started to break. But considering how its really made up of current players and former players, and they all typically adhere to a similar set of values, there’s little variation across clubs…
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I love Todd Helton
I know, he’s old, his ABCXYZs+ is horrible, and he’s not some awesome AL free agent or whatever.
But he’s given his life to the franchise, is absolutely a stand-up guy, and deserves to end such a career as a World Series Champion.
Unfortunately, the goals
of having him as the starting first baseman (or a significant platoon player) and a World Series championships are probably mutually exclusive.
I think we should hold off on this pronouncement
until next season starts. He may be better than we think:)
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Better than we think is still probably not good enough, unless Iannetta plays about 1/3 of the games at first and hits somewhere between his ’08 and ’09 level.
I’m willing to bet that Helton could hold up his end of the bargain, but that’s the only scenario I can see where he stays healthy and enough offense comes out of the position. He’ll play 100-120 games if he produces.
guh. It never gets easier, does it?
I hate the offseason.
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping.
But the winter is long and we must endure its cold.
I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the day until we do.
I luuuuurve it.
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by Greg Stanwood on Oct 19, 2010 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
You're evil.
I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Oct 19, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
But I wish I liked it. GUHHHHHHHH.
I already watched the Tulo rockies all access and some home movies from game 4 cause I love pain and hate myself. Book is on hold at the library.
BUT I’M BARELY SURVIVING AND ITS ONLY BEEN 2 WEEKS!!!!!
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by prettyinpurple on Oct 19, 2010 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
This is like a child saying they enjoy shopping for new toys more than actually playing with them
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 7:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Lets go back to blake street bombers
we have decen’t pitching…lets use our speed Dexter and EY JR, and then surround them with guys who can drive in runs and put runs on the board. Butler and Victor Martinez combined with Tulowitzki and Carlos Gonzalez, add in a Ian Stewart Seth Smith/Spilly and we have a dominating line up.
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I know I am reaching for both of those guys
I just really like the idea
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by waterboy31321 on Oct 19, 2010 8:30 AM MDT up reply actions
I like th eidea of V-Mart and Greinke
but hey, we can dream. The only problem with your dream scenario is that acquiring V-Mart hinges on him also playing 1B. He and Butler both deserve to be near full-time players.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 19, 2010 8:36 AM MDT up reply actions
I hate to suggest it...
but I know we should go after Greinke or Lee with Neagle-like money. Let’s just avoid the mistake that we did with Mike Hampton and Denny Neagle and not sign them to 5 years contracts more like 4 or 3.
Our offense and bullpen is here to stay, our starting pitching is somewhat of a question.
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neither will work
Lee because he will want and get a max contract. Greinke because he isn’t a free agent. And I’d say there is pretty significant question of who will bat behind Tulo
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 19, 2010 9:07 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
our offense was are weakest part last season
our pitching arguably the strongest – and that was with a terrible year from Aaron Cook and only 120 innings from JDLR.
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I'd rather have Butler than V-Mart
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by waterboy31321 on Oct 19, 2010 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions
what I don't understand though
is that if Helton is healthy and passable at first, what the hell do we do with Butler? Just give him 2 starts a week at first? Play him in the OF?
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I don't know this is a crappy situation
Helton has been the cornerstone of our franchise for a decade + and now he is past his prime.
Is it even realistic to think he can stay healthy? And produce like we need the 1B position to?
I think they should convince Helton to 1A) Take a Reserve Role Spelling a player like Butler or 1B) Retire
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by waterboy31321 on Oct 20, 2010 8:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes it would be a waste to get Butler
and not play him, but it would be nice to have a solid hitting RH 1B for another 6 years or so
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by waterboy31321 on Oct 20, 2010 8:16 AM MDT up reply actions
"He and Butler both deserve to be near full-time players."
So does any hitter that’s going to make a meaningful difference in this lineup.
by Rockpile Interloper on Oct 19, 2010 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions
… up until the point where there are not enough at bats for the positions which the “near full-time players” play, making acquiring them a practical impossibility. Neither Butler nor Martinez are going to settle for 500 ABs in a healthy season, and cutting Olivo, Iannetta and Helton’s ABs way down isn’t going to work.
I'm not suggesting
that acquiring both Martinez and Butler is realistic. What I’m saying is that if you really want an impact bat to hit in the #5 hole, scouring the list of part-time and/or multi-position players is an unlikely way to find it.
by Rockpile Interloper on Oct 19, 2010 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions
That would be doing the Giants a favor, but...
If we are going to look at someone from the Giants, I would actually make a run at Huff. He’s decent at 1B, below-average-but-not-totally-atrocious in the OF, and he hits like a monster at Coors Field. And taking him out of SF would blow a hole in the Giants’ lineup, which is a nice bonus. In know the preference is for someone who hits from the right side, but I would rather have an impact LH bat than a RH bat who’s not an upgrade over what we have.
by Rockpile Interloper on Oct 19, 2010 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Kidding about DeRosa
Since Huff is a FA, that wouldn’t be bad. He’s hit poorly in every odd year from 2005 on, but I wouldn’t let superstition stop me from giving him 2 years at $5-6 per.
I suspect
Huff’s numbers will slip a bit next year if he stays in SF. But watching him take one-handed swings at outer-half pitches and still put them over the RF scoreboard makes me wonder how he would do in a full season here. And if Helton is still the full-time choice at 1B, I think Huff could play RF at Coors and LF on the road without giving away a whole lot on defense.
by Rockpile Interloper on Oct 19, 2010 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Play RF at Coors? His UZR numbers scream “No, no, no” but the numbers for LF are good enough. Also, he’s a lefty, so there’s still the lack of RH hitter thing to deal with.
I think RF would be better
for him at Coors because of the limited territory he would have to cover. That would be consistent with what the Rockies did this year in the post-Hawpe era, playing Carlos in LF at home and in RF on the road to take full advantage of his range and arm.
In either case, Huff’s bad in the OF but not so bad that he just absolutely kills you. Rule of thumb is that if you see OF/1B next to someone’s name, he sucks at one or the other, or both. So as OF/1B go, Huff’s not a train wreck defensively.
by Rockpile Interloper on Oct 19, 2010 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions
i hesitate to put ANY stock in uzr for any Giants OF
There’s some sort of Bonds ghost, because it seems as if everyone who plays LF for the Giants is a good defensive LF via UZR, which I don’t buy
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 19, 2010 12:58 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
You know what would be a hell of a beer league team?
Barry and Atkins joining Byrnes. I bet they would mash. Even Atty.
I think he'd do all right
Slow pitch with an aluminum bat. They’re fairly forgiving.
Could just hit a bunch of fly-outs, though.
The aluminum bat wont help with groundballs
His reach on errors would be high, but I’m sure he’d still go 6-3 often
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 19, 2010 12:45 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Bonds would hit baseballs a friggin mile
by Andrew Martin on Oct 19, 2010 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't want the BlakeStreetBombers 2.0
Besides if this started happening, then obviously we’ve abandoned the humidor. (j/k)
No, seriously, I like how we play ball now. In fact, I wish we would go a little more small ball if we aren’t getting the power hitting.
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No way. Todd's contract was restructured simply because of
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Oct 19, 2010 8:37 AM MDT reply actions
those cheap-o's....gah uhhhhhhh
pppfffft
I think the only thing we can do is wait for Todd to pass away, pay him another year after that and then go after Billy Butler when he’s good and expensive.
its what I tell my dad all the time. Old people suck. And Todd is old=sucks. the country would be better off if they stopped “trying” to contribute to society and allow this technology generation their come-uppance.
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by El Paso Jeff on Oct 19, 2010 8:42 AM MDT up reply actions
RUN!
two Icehouse 24 oz beers = $3.20 two "fancy" Bud Light 24 oz beers = $5.00
NOW who comes out on top?
by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 19, 2010 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions
on another less sarcastic note:
how bout this post season eh?
Pretty entertaining. Love to see yankee’s fans leaving in droves while the game is still on…
some great pitching, and the underdogs have had their day, lets see if they can finish the jobs…Love the idea of a non-east coast WS….No one will watch but us biesball fans.
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strange box score last night
TWO zero zero zero zero zero zero zero SIX
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 19, 2010 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Not as strange as Feliz coming in to protect an 8 run lead
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 19, 2010 9:03 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
lesson learned from Game 1
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exactly.
Just think the Rangers could have been up 3-0. I love how well they bounced back though!
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they're the better team
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well we know that.
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After Friday I'm sure they were willing to try anything.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 19, 2010 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions
I really enjoyed last night's game
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Read this article on Yahoo. It really explains how devastating Lee really is in the playoffs.
It’s a great read,
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I liked this for entertainment value
It was Rocky bloodying Drago, the cornerman encouraging Rocky, "You cut him! You hurt him! You see? You see? He’s not a machine, he’s a man!"
Except then Lee was still a strike-throwing machine and pummeled Rocky anyway.
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The article said Lee's postseason record is 8 starts, 7 wins.
Am I remembering correctly that our Rockies are the only team to achieve a no-decision against Lee in the playoffs, then? Game 4 last year, right?
Huh. I’m kind of proud of that.
Sadly proud indeed :(
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I would take pride in that
except that game makes my heart cry when I have to think of their 3 run comeback in the 9th. F the Phillies.
Hence my prefacing this with sadly...
I won’t click on the link, because really, don’t we all have that seared into our memories and are still recovering from PTSD?
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I was there : (
/great memories
/horrible memories
/scarred for life
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by prettyinpurple on Oct 19, 2010 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes and I remember having
the urge to hug Charlie Manuel when he came out to the mound to get him.
But as tough as Lee was last postseason, he’s even better this year. It’s like he’s playing a video game out there.
by Rockpile Interloper on Oct 19, 2010 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
watching last nights game got me to thinking how much money will the yankees throw at lee?
hes 32 but I don’t think a 5 year 100 mil contract is out of the question with the Yankees after the way hes dominated them the past two years
by purplesocks on Oct 19, 2010 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
they have a lot of money coming off the books
by purplesocks on Oct 19, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Looking it up, they have 144 mil committed to salary not including arb raises for 2011
They’ll need to resign Jeter and Rivera but the $23 million coming off the books from Petitte and Vasquez is more than enough for Lee at 20 mil a year
by purplesocks on Oct 19, 2010 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
They have $144M obligated before Arb raises to Joba, Hughes, Mitre (maybe) and Boone Logan. That’s probably $5M, raising it to $149M. They’ll re-sign Jeter, Mo and Posada, probably for a combined $40M/season, raising it to $189M. Then they’ll have bullpen and reserve OF spots to fill, probably for another $5-7M/season. That’s $196M. Considering their payroll was $213M this season, that’s cutting it close to accommodate Lee’s salary.
I don't think Jeter and Mo (posada is under contract) will get 40 mil combined. They were at 37 this year.
I think this figure is too low but Buster Olney said he expects the Yankees to offer Jeter 3/45 and if he doesnt like it they’ll tell him to shop around and find a better offer and they might consider matching that
by purplesocks on Oct 19, 2010 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
My bad on Mo.
They’ll get about $25-30M combined, I’d guess. But losing Vazquez and Petitte, but signing Lee would leave a rotation of CC, Lee, Hughes, Burnett. The last spot would be left to Nova or Joba, but that spot and the Burnett spot are questions. Taking Joba out of the bullpen would also open another hole there.
Granted, they can probably spend $250M before they start seeing red ink, but they also don’t want to go back to the 2001-2008 years when they were bogged down with expensive, older contracts and didn’t have the minor league system to compensate for that.
I agree with that, but I also am factoring in that they were willing to offer Montero for Lee into the equation
That and his dominance in the postseason and I can really see them going after him hard.
by purplesocks on Oct 19, 2010 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
That's true.
Part of me is just arguing against it because I don’t want to see all the “Yankees ruin the game” nonsense from some folks around here after it happens.
The serious part of me thinks that the Angels will be huge players in the FA market, and that, with their new TV deal, Texas might be able to keep him.
Yeah it will be an interesting offseason.
The Angles, Mets, Yankees, Cubs, Red Sox all will have a lot of money to spend this offseason (assuming they dont drastically lower their payroll from where it is now)
Could be an interesting offseason
by purplesocks on Oct 19, 2010 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Part of me is just arguing against it because I don’t want to see all the "Yankees ruin the game" nonsense from some folks around here after it happens.
I don’t know why but I find this amusing :-)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 7:43 PM MDT up reply actions
I was waiting for you to respond.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 7:58 PM MDT up reply actions
I just like a good debate
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Keep fanning those flames SDcat
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 8:12 PM MDT up reply actions
2001-2008 produced seven playoff appearences for them
In a sport where the postseason is a crapshoot I see no reason why they wouldn’t want to repeat that.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 7:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Why not?
It was 213 million this season.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 7:37 PM MDT up reply actions
No OT thread this mornin'?
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I might need it.
did a little drunken FBing last night.
two Icehouse 24 oz beers = $3.20 two "fancy" Bud Light 24 oz beers = $5.00
NOW who comes out on top?
by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 19, 2010 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions
i wish i wish I hadn't killed that fish.
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I grabbed my wife's phone
and logged in to tell her cousins how wrong they were that Nickleback put on an awesome show.. Whic probably would have been fine.
But looking them up and sending them a message from my account, agreeing that yes indeed Nickleback is bad, was probably a bit much.
two Icehouse 24 oz beers = $3.20 two "fancy" Bud Light 24 oz beers = $5.00
NOW who comes out on top?
by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 19, 2010 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
Nonsense.
It is a sacred duty, whether one is sober or otherwise, to inform people of how bad Nickelback is.
Huh, just saw that.
Interesting spelling I decided to go with.
two Icehouse 24 oz beers = $3.20 two "fancy" Bud Light 24 oz beers = $5.00
NOW who comes out on top?
by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 19, 2010 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions
How weird.
I was thinkning about nickelback this week and couldnt remember the name fer nuthin.
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by prettyinpurple on Oct 19, 2010 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions
I could have purchased 4 fancy Bud Lights for the same price as that one Fat Tire at the Fillmore
Outrageous.
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at that point in time, it was the cherry on top of a phenomenal concert/night
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who played?
love a Filmore show. or the bluebird
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by El Paso Jeff on Oct 19, 2010 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
do not respond...I'll take it to the OT
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by El Paso Jeff on Oct 19, 2010 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Although it wasn't planned
since we’re almost sure to not pick up the Francis offer, there is another $7 mill plus gained.
even with arbitration gains and no overall salary increase (not sure that is a good assumption, based on the past few years), we’ve got a good $10 mill to work with- maybe more.
watch this space for a soon to be created clever remark....
On the topic of Jeff:
does anybody think it likely that another team will offer Jeff a lowball contract once we decline his offer?
Is anybody out there really desperate for a LHP?
he's a LHP
EVERYONE is in the market for one
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by prettyinpurple on Oct 19, 2010 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
He'll have work somewheres.
I think the biggest thing about his option is it’s just expensive. Doesn’t mean he’s a worthless pitcher.
two Icehouse 24 oz beers = $3.20 two "fancy" Bud Light 24 oz beers = $5.00
NOW who comes out on top?
by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 19, 2010 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions
After careful consideration, I accept.
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At that point, a 65 MPH curveball becomes eminently hittable.
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And your weak-ass labrum?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Am I counting this right?
we have roughly 17.7 mill coming off the books, and we’re paying Helton 6mill less this season than last, so we have about 23mill free? How much do we think the arbitration increases will amount to? 6 million? That might be too much. Also, it seems like we can be thankful that Stewart had a meh season…. and I don’t see big increases for Hammel or Delcarmen. Belisle might increase a lot, but he’s still a reliever so I don’t know how big the increase can really be…
The contract increases will pretty much totally offset what we’re saving by Helton’s restructuring (also, that Corpas extension really looks like a mistake now).
I feel like we’ll have about 13-14mill to play with. Can anyone confirm (or deny) this?
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It really depends on if Bros. Monfort choose to keep the budget in the ~$85 range.
The Rockies have increased their payroll every year since 2006, and I feel that we’re not likely to see much of an increase if any this offseason. I don’t necessarily expect it to go down, but I think it’s more likely to go down than to go up. In other words, I wouldn’t jump to the conclusion that all the money coming off the books will be replaced.
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by Greg Stanwood on Oct 19, 2010 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
That's interesting
I didn’t expect it to go up, but I also didn’t expect it to go down. If it goes down, we’re pretty much fielding the same team as we did last year and banking on improvements from Stewart, Fowler, and whoever takes over at 2b, which sounds exactly the same as our hopes last year…
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And this is likely to be the case, save for a possible right handed bat and a possible return of Jorge De La Rosa.
I expect our roster to be made up of ~23/25 players who are currently in the organization. But that could change.
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by Greg Stanwood on Oct 19, 2010 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
it's ironic that this is likely to be the case
if we really believe ATF’s whole proposition that we restructured Helton’s contract to actually do something.
If payroll remains static we def have enough money to make a significant signing. If we wish to add another piece after that though, it would be via trade.
VMart would cost about 10mil (I think…). If we traded Iannetta for Nolasco, that would end up adding only about 2.5 mill to the payroll…
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And what I'm saying is that that "something" may be 1-2 free agency signings (which may include DLR) that are somewhat more significant than the past few years.
So, I agree that we can and intend to actually do something. I just don’t think that something is necessarily going to be worth $15-$20 million next year.
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by Greg Stanwood on Oct 19, 2010 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Yea
without expanding payroll, I think 15 mill is our ceiling of free money, and even that may be generous…
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Doesn’t it also depend on whether you’re subtracting from an estimated 2011 payroll or the actual 2010 payroll? For instance, we’re not saving $7M off the 2010 payroll if Francis’s option is declined. You’d put in $5.75M. But if it’s an estimated 2011 payroll, then you’re saving the $7M option.
The only money committed to the 2011 figure regarding options is buyouts.
Francis’ $7 million wouldn’t count unless the option were to be picked up.
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by Greg Stanwood on Oct 19, 2010 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
so when ATF
says 17.7 mill coming off the books, is that stripping out their salary from 2010 and then adding buyouts to arrive at that number?
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I assume so
I wrote up a rudimentary payroll in a comment last month, and it looks pretty similar, but I’m doing a bit too much at the moment to check all the math. ATF clearly mentions Francis as coming off the books in the same sentence as the other players leaving the team without options, so I assume he just considering the option a guaranteed rejection (as we all are) and not as a downgrade of $7 million.
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by Greg Stanwood on Oct 19, 2010 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions
any quick and dirty guesses
on what Stewart will get in his first year of arb? Does 3mill sound right?
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I'm honestly no expert there, and you're better off asking Jeff Aberle on that one, especially since I hate make predictions about this sort of thing.
On first glance, that is probably a reasonable guess, but I can see arguments for both higher and lower numbers than that.
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by Greg Stanwood on Oct 19, 2010 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
what type of increases do those represent?
for stew its 2.5 mill, what about the other two?
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damn
so with these estimates, we’re looking at 7-8 mill in arb + 6 in contract increases. Which would mean we’d have about 10 mill to spend assuming payroll remains static.
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word
but it’s totally fun to talk/think about this stuff
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Yep, I really liked putting together the spreadsheet
Although COTS is a little screwy in the spreadwheet they have for the Rockies, so I can’t guarantee all the numbers I have.
did you manually transfer the numbers from cots
into a spreadsheet, or do they have one for download?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
They do have a spreadsheet on there
but it has mistakes, and doesn’t include any arb. numbers or pre-arb. numbers. Just guaranteed money. So, I had to transfer everything by had and fix some stuff. Here
what are the mistakes they have on that spreadsheet?
by purplesocks on Oct 19, 2010 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions
The big one in Jimenez
They skipped his 2011 season, and just put in his 2012 season. It reads as 4.2 next year, but should be 2.8. I’m also not sure how much I trust Cooks contract number, which seems to be adding some number of a bonus.
Looking at the Cots spreadsheet it says we have 50 mil committed in salary for 2011
That includes contract raises but not arb. So if we’re estimating 8 mil in arb raises doesnt that leave us with about $25 mil to play with to get us back to 85 total?
Am I missing something?
by purplesocks on Oct 19, 2010 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
They don't have all the pre-arbitration players
Like Chacin and Cargo, all of which will cost between .405 and .41.
Yea,
8mil in arb, 2-3 mil in pre arb guys, it’s also missing francis’ buy out.
Not sure what else is missing, but it looks like we’ll have 20 mill to play with???
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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sweeeeet
so then how realistic is it to think we have 20 mill in free payroll rather than 10 mill?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
It all depends on how much ownership is willing to spend
If they decide to up payroll like they have been doing, than 20 million could be realistic. If it stays about the same, than 10-12 is more realistic. They need to fill out an additional rotation spot, and find another bat with those funds.
well
aren’t these numbers showing that if payroll stays at around 84mill, after arb and pre-arb guys and whatever factored in, we’ll have about 20 mill to spend?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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If we do have 17
that’s huge.
10 mill is really tight to add any impact talent.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
This is a best case scenerio
In which the bench is made up of only young players, and is also missing another reliever, which will also hurt. I don’t want to make any promises. It still isn’t enough to get both the impact pitcher and hitter from free agency.
true
but it allows us to really get one impact person and gives us some flex to take on a little more salary in a trade.
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btw, thanks for the spreadsheet
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Quick dirty guesses for arb...
Stewart: $2.5 million
Hammel: $5.75 million (treating him as a first year arb, as he was a Super Two last year)
Belisle: $2.8 million (he’s tough to put a finger on…I could see him getting a multi-year deal buying out his arbitration status for 2-6/7 or so)
Delcarmen: $1 million (up from $905k)
That’s about $8 million in raises from last year.
I’ve said before that I see Colorado’s payroll at $83 million next year (at max $85 mill) due to the higher payroll obligations due in 2012. Even so, I’ve projected about $15 million in flexibility to fill 3-4 spots on the team.
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I'll be exploring this more in-depth after the World Series and will have a full payroll breakdown for you all then.
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sweet
with that money, we can buy half a season of Arodddddd
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Why wouldn't payroll increase at least some?
First off I don’t want to turn this into a Cheapforts thing because I don’t believe that crap but revenue had to increase this last year. Shouldn’t payroll follow suit? Especially since we are in the prime window of contention.
by purplesocks on Oct 19, 2010 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
economic factors might dictate this to a degree
but I agree with you where if the team was able to make a profit, payroll shouldn’t really decrease.
But hey, look at the Rays who are said to be slashing payroll this offseason…
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I know there is a lot of other things that go into revenue but...
the Rays saw a 1% decrease in attendance whereas the Rockies saw a 8% gain this year. Plus with the Rays, their three highest paid players will be most likely coming off the books which by itself will lead to a decrease in payroll especially when they have internal replacements like the Rays do
by purplesocks on Oct 19, 2010 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Primary reason is that there is potentially a lot of money due the 2012 team (CarGo arb-eligible, etc)
so the Monforts are saving some flexibility for 2012 as well.
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Payroll HAS been following suit for four straight seasons.
We shouldn’t get used to the team being able to toss another $7 or so million at the team every year.
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by Greg Stanwood on Oct 19, 2010 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't see it going down
The Monforts have been working hard to get rid of the cheapforts tag for a while, and it would hurt them to reduce payroll after three years of success and strong attendance. I would say an 86 million dollar payroll is likely.
O'Dowd has said that the payroll will be about $83 million
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At one point
Renck was discussing us going after a starting outfielder, and the teams lack of trust in Smith after suchk a poor 2nd half. If we do net anther outfielder, namely Werth, I can almost expect to trade Smith. Considering our financial limitations, signing Werth and trading for a cost controlled middle rotation guy may be the best option.
I don't know how real this is
but one of the downfalls to signing someone like Werth, or other very expensive long term commitments, seems to be that it sets a precedent at which you have to pay your own home-grown stars. You can’t say, “As an organization, we don’t give [5 year contracts, $20M/year, etc]” to someone like Carlos Gonzalez. It sets a base for the young star, rather than encouraging them commit to a mutually beneficial deal at a younger age.
Of course, there are caveats to a hardline strategy. Cargo isn’t going to sign a team friendly deal because of his agent (Boras), and players that come up at an older age than Tulo or Ubaldo are probably going to be more eager to get their big pay day in before a decline.
I think going after Thames
and platooning him with Smith would be a cheap way to get pretty solid production out of LF. I also see Smith as a bounceback guy. I don’t think he’s as bad as he was in 2010…
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Speaking of soon to be FA Yankees
I like that Thames has actually played some first. I also like Austin Kearns – he’s put together some nice stretches over the years, plays well in RF, and could play LF. Probably could also fill in at first. Is cheap and right handed.
Those aren’t bad backup options if whatever the “good” options are fall through.
Not sure I see the benifit of a Mith/Thames platoon
over a Smith/Spilly platoon. And while I agree that Smith will probably bounce back, I’m not sure the front office has much faith in him.
Spilly has sucked for the past two years against lefties
and Thames has more pop, and can play 1st.
But yea, the differences aren’t thaaat great. I wonder why Spilly has fallen so hard recently…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Spilly vs. Thames?
I’m looking at their numbers and I don’t think Spilly has performed better against lefties than Thames since 2008. But whatever, they’re still similar overall one just has better power. Spilly is better defensively (I think)…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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Last year
351 wOBA vs a 354 wOBA. Not really that much of a difference. At least not enough to dump what we have and spend more for the free agent.
year before that was more significant
but given payroll constraints, you’re def right, This is only minor worry and resources are better spent elsewhere…
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it would be more with park effects
But still not a huge gap
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 19, 2010 1:03 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
id put the odds of a Smith trade at less than 5%
If they don’t believe he is a starter and replace him in the starting lineup, fine. But they won’t trade him. He’s cheap. He’s at his lowest value in a long time. And if he is dealt, our lefty pinch hitter would be….Herrera? Not happening. There is no downside to him being a pinch hitter, which might be worth more than he would get in trade
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 19, 2010 12:54 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm just thinking out loud
Trying to fit the two needs into the budget. Was thinking that if we DID sign Werth, that it would not just be Smith on the bench next year, but for the entirety of his Rockie career. He could have more benefit on the trade market. Either way, I don’t see the Rockies possibly taking care of the rotation spot, and the big bat they need from free agency. If they do want both, one is going to have to be from a trade.
and the traded piece cant be adding much salary
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 19, 2010 1:01 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not sure I like Werth as an addition
I think it still leaves too many other problems unless Werth can play some 1b… Also his power declined somewhat and his already high k-rate increased. Could be meaningless variation but idk…
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i would be shocked if they pursued Werth
Not so much because of money but that he seems to generally be a jackhole. I can’t see O’Dowd sticking his neck out financially AND in terms of team chemistry/image.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 19, 2010 1:06 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
How much does O'Dowd
value “Beard Above Replacement”?
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Seth has about 10 BAR
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but his beard is either injured or MIA too much of the season.
His rate-beard stats are great. It’s his counting ones I’m worried about…
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What about Carlos Lee or Michael Cuddyer
I know they are both expensive, but both can play 1B. Maybe the Astros are wanting to retool completely and will eat some of Lee’s contract like they did for Berkman. I think that Lee is getting $18.5 million/year the next 2 years and Cuddyer is getting $11 million next year.
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Lee is a decent bounceback guy
His BABIP last year was tiny. Returning to .290 BABIP would fix some issues. It would depend on how much the Stros kicked in.
Carlos Lee is going the way of Atkins with a very high price. The Astros would have to pick up salary and send a B prospect.
See my response above. He is that bad. Even a return to his career .286 BABIP won’t save his OBP or power.
Sure it will. A BABIP that low can easily kill power and OBP numbers.
Atkins was different, he had a clearly obvious downward trend. Lee in 09 was around his career average. I don’t see the same trend in Lee as I did in Atkins.
A low BABIP might also be the new normal for Lee, considering the direction his walk rate has gone. Looking further, his outside swing rate has been rising every year except 2009, and a slight decrease at the inside the zone swing rate. His overall contact rate has stayed about the same the last few years, which means he’s progressively been swinging at more bad pitches over the last few years. Also, his line drive rate nosedived last year after two straight years of decline. His HR/FB rate is way down from his good years.
All signs point to him losing HR power, becoming more impatient at the plate, and simultaneously seeing fewer fastballs and cramming more balls into the infield dirt.
I think Lee
is just too much money for a guy who seems to be declining. His offense will probably rebound, but he’s also terrible defensively. Given our needs I don’t think we can really afford him without handicapping ourself elsewhere.
Cuddyer is interesting but he’s really only had two seasons where he’s been an asset. If we were more sure he would be ‘06 or ’09 Cuddyer, he’d be an attractive option. But if not, we’re looking at 11 mill for 15 home runs from a corner OF spot with a .275/340 avg/obp, and poor defensive ratings basically everywhere. I’d rather keep it internally then…
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Isn't Cuddyer the type of player the Rockies need?
Couldn’t you say that we are unsure of many of the Rockies (Stewart, Smith, Helton) play next year as well? The Rox can’t get a full-time 1B because of Helton, but could use a full time outfielder that could play 1B. Spilly and Smith can play OF when Cuddyer is at 1B. How can the Rockies afford a player that has a higher avg./obp? There are players like Jayson Werth that will just cost too much. The Rockies need to spend their money on a veteran pitcher for next season.
Who would you play at the OF position and 1B internally,…Spilly? Is Matt Miller the same type of player as Spilly?
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On one level,
Cuddyer is perfect. But on the other, I’m not sure I like him. He just seems expensive for a lot of mediocrity.
He’s not really an impact bat (though he’s flashed that twice in the past), hes not a good defensive OF nor 1B, and he’s getting 11 mill.
He’s certainly an option, but I don’t think he’s near the top of the list.
In his defense, he has done rather well against lefties throughout his career.
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Basically, exactly that. He costs too much for what he is, which is a better version of Mark DeRosa, who costs too much for what he is paid. Cuddles is a $5M/year player, and his career high is 3.1WAR. Last season, he posted an overall value of .4 WAR. Yikes.
That we're talking about so many players who are "too expensive"
But who are also still in the discussion speaks volumes as to the efficiency of the pricing structure in the MLB. “We need X, but players A, B, and C are all kind of expensive, but not prohibitively so.”
It’s kind of fascinating.
Also,
maybe this is unfair or just irrelevant, but if we really got Lee, it seems like we’d just kind of be getting a righty Brad Hawpe. Not sure if this is a bad thing. Lee would just have a higher avg and a lower walk rate…
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Unfortunate
I don’t think we can fix 1B. I just can’t see this club pushing Helton out, unless Helton flat out says he doesn’t want to start next year. And there really is no alternative on the club.
I think we can def have a time share at 1b
Helton seems like he needs more off-days than we thought, and he has no power whatsoever against lefties. There’s a good amt of at-bats to be had at 1b without pushing Helton out IMO.
I still think VMart is the best way to sneak a solid RHB into the lineup regularly without really pushing anyone around or out (except Iannetta I guess…)
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But would he be willing to do some kind of split between catching and 1B?
With slightly more as catcher? That’s not quite the same as a platoon. He’d still be starting pretty much full time, just some of that would be at first.
I don't know
I just think when you look at it from the outside, you see two major league catchers, and Helton on first. It will create doubts about potential playing time. He has also stated repeatedly that he is a catcher, views himself as a catcher, and only plays 1B when absolutely necessary.
yea these are pretty good points
If we’re ballsy,
Do we trade Iannetta to Boston (since they love him) and maybe in one move 1. make CO a more attractive place to play and 2. Take Boston out of the catcher market?
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Depends on what Boston is willing to give us in return.
I wouldn’t want to trade Iannetta just for the sake of increasing our chances of getting Vmart.
Well
hopefully he’d be down to start ~90 games at catcher, and another 50-60 at 1b, kind of like his timeshare last season.
Has he been vocal about not wanting to play first/strictly catch?
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I guess also
if Olivo regresses or has a slow start next year, we’ll be itching to play VMart at catcher and start doing stuff like playing Stewart at first to rest Helton, and probably Herrera at third…
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Honestly,
I don’t think time at catcher will be too much of a problem, but your point of it looking like it will, is still a very strong one.
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simply tell him that if he signs here
Either olivo or iannetta will be gone and he would catch four games a week
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 19, 2010 1:55 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Ha, that may work
If I had to pick one destination where I think he is going, it’s going to be the Dodgers. I think we may be blowing their financial situation out of proportion, and it is by far the clearest opening in the league.
not yet
but that will really be the model won’t it.
The question is, is Lilly viewed as a better or worse pitcher than JDLR?
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JDLR was the most consiistent Rockie starter
by far
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 19, 2010 9:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Sadly Greg Smith was pretty consistent too
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions
he had a couple decent starts
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 19, 2010 9:39 PM MDT up reply actions
I only remember him being good against the Mets
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions
He limited damage in San Diego and Atlanta
but he walked a small village in both starts, so not really good.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 19, 2010 9:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Did he start the blown call game in Atlanta?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Yep
Though he left with a 2-1 deficit
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 19, 2010 9:50 PM MDT up reply actions
That game was so odd
Not just the ending, the whole thing
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:54 PM MDT up reply actions
what about that russell martin guy?
I would take a flyer on him if the possibility arose
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by El Paso Jeff on Oct 19, 2010 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm very wary of Werth -- not somebody you throw $50 million at IMO.
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To be honest
Since were talking about free agency, I’m wary of everyone. You don’t often here about the high payed free agent paying off. In most cases, a player earns his free agent paycheck for what he did with another club, not your club.
go phillies?
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I still haven't decided who to support tonight.
I am watching the game but also watching a new TV adaptation of an HG Wells novel (I represent the estate’s film and TV rights).
I have to say that was a pretty nice opening ceremony
Nice rendition of the Star Spangled Banner and a F-16 / F-18 flyover….
Well, done SF
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Of course.
Burlington County NJ represent!
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Heh, I just posted about that...
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How close are you to the stadium?
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Also, it's raining and dreary here
and beautiful in SF…what the heck?
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It was of foggy this morning.
It’s burned off now, but it’s still a pretty mild day. Probably decent for baseball, though.
I wonder what is the over/under on fog/marine layer
rolling in by the 8th inning
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Do you have a view of the Bay?
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Nope.
We’re a couple blocks west, so there are buildings in the way. And we’re only on the 5th floor.
Ahh...too bad. But still, SF is an awesome city.
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Hmm, Joe Buck saying that a more liberal strike zone
helps baseball be less tedious and a more compelling game? Why does Joe Buck even call baseball games?
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A consistent strike zone would help baseball be less tedious and a more compelling game.
Sometimes, the only good thing to say about Joe Buck as a baseball announcer is that he’s not Tim McCarver.
by deacs on Oct 19, 2010 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh man, that pitch almost took Hamels head off whilst trying to bunt
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Siddown Buster...quite a pitcher's duel today
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1-0 Giants bottom of the 4th 2 on 2out
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2-0 now..still 2 out 2 on
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Cody freakin' Ross again
Why don’t we trade for that guy so
we don’t have to root against him anymore.
Mediocrity sucks
utley with an error. Rowand scores. 3-0 Gnats
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Maybe I'm the only one...
but when I see that MasterCard ad with the Yankees fan bragging about how he broke up with some girl, because she decided to be a RedSox fan, then later says he’ll be buried in his Yankees jersey…I always think, “Let’s hope that funeral is soon!”
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Heh....I sort of relate to that a wee bit though
I tried dating a Charger fan and a Raider fan. The Raider fan was a lot more fun! Of course, I broke up with both of them eventually…
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The dating comments doesn't bug me as much...
as the “I will be buried in a baseball jersey” comment. I just mentioned it so everyone would know which ad I was talking about.
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I dunno, you want to be buried in your Rockies jersey? :P
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I love the Rockies...
but at the end of the day, it’s just a game
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Eh...
I swore after the World Series I would never date a Red so fan. That list has grown to include the Giants and dodgers.
But my family would flip if I was buried in my jersey. I’ll have to will it to someone.
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by prettyinpurple on Oct 19, 2010 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Mr. Punchable Face is punching out the Phillies....pfffffft
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Zooey Deschanel singing "God Bless America"....that's random
But she’s got a good voice
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I thought she was cute in Almost Famous
But when I found out she could sing in Elf, I was fully smitten.
+1
Whenever I need to use [recognisably gorgeous young woman] in an argument or analogy, Zooey’s always the first one I think of.
She actually is the lead singer for a "band," which is actually her singing, and a guy providing instrumentals.
They are called She and Him.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 20, 2010 8:11 AM MDT up reply actions
For those who may have missed it, the Rockies granted Paul Phillips and Juan Rincon minor league free agency a little early.
First two players to depart the organization this offseason.
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As if Brian Wilson couldn't be anymore preening
apparently he was wearing a Spartan helmet in the clubhouse today. I hope he implodes
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I hate Brian Wilson too, but he's one of the Giants I love to hate.
Most of the rest of them are just…. unpleasant to even think about.
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by Greg Stanwood on Oct 19, 2010 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions
yes Rollins with a single....1 out
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Ugh...Ibanez hits into a game ending DP....LAME!!!! BOOOOO!!!!!
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awww, boo.
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by prettyinpurple on Oct 19, 2010 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions
LETS GO RANGERS
LETS GO RED WINGS!
2011 will be the year....better be....
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yay.
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by prettyinpurple on Oct 19, 2010 6:25 PM MDT up reply actions
a West vs West WS
how great does that sound for once?
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Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
Zomtober!!!
Go Rangers. Its painful to even think about the Giants winning anymore than what they already have.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 19, 2010 6:26 PM MDT up reply actions
I know....
but the Phillies won the pennant the last 2 years. its time for someone else to, even if it is the Giants. Rooting for the Rangers to win the whole thing, hopefully.
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by Colsportsfan on Oct 19, 2010 6:47 PM MDT up reply actions
FAN INTERFERENCE!!!!!!
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Agreed
Let the teams play first, then worry about a damn souvenier!
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I'm starting to think fans actually know the fan interference issue
and are doing it on purpose. I can’t believe they didn’t even review the play!!
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You may be giving fans too much credit...
I see them grabbing for fair balls that head toward the walls even when it was their team that hit it. (IIRC, wasn’t there a controversial play where Dex was robbed of a likely triple by a fan picking up one of these?)
Fans figure if they have a play, they’ll go for it. Normally without considering the impact on the game.
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That play on the 3rd baseline last inning is Exhibit A...
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Yeah...I think I'll retract my comment
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Steve Bartman.
Damn him!
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The most wronged fan ever. He did not deserve what he got.
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Yeah that was so unfair
It’s not his fault the Cubs gave up 8 runs in that innings after that play
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 8:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Exactly. Poor guy :(
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Texeira blew his hammy, I think....
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Yeah that has done for the season written all over it
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 8:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Somehow I don't feel bad about it
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I do
He was 0-14 in the series. I was enjoying that.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 8:26 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL...good point!
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Really?
Really? You’re probably like this right now and viewing the game like this.
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Though I do
agree with the title of this.
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HAHAHAHA nice pitch out there AJ
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Not as nice as that pitch to Molina
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 8:37 PM MDT up reply actions
I loved ARod's reaction to that HR
Total fail
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 8:41 PM MDT reply actions
I think he was looking for something...well never mind
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Unsung hero of this game
Might be Derek Holland. He allowed one inherited runner to score, but otherwise really shut the Yankees down.
by Rockpile Interloper on Oct 19, 2010 8:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Good point
The Yankees had a chance to blow the game open there and couldn’t.
It’s not over yet but that might be the best chance the Yankees get to put multiple runs on the board in an inning
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 8:48 PM MDT up reply actions
DETAILS FOR LILLY'S CONTRACT
The Dodgers have signed Ted Lilly to a three-year, $33MM contract that was finalized today when the 34-year-old pitcher passed a physical. Dylan Hernandez of the Los Angeles Times (via Twitter) reports that Lilly has a full no-trade clause for the first two seasons of the deal, and the left-hander will receive a $3.5MM signing bonus to be paid out over all three years. Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com broke the news of the agreement last Saturday, and MLB.com’s Ken Gurnick was the first to confirm the dollar amount (both Twitter links).
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Dammit Dogers
That’s gonna make JDLR harder for us to sign now
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 8:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe
It depends on if JDLR is viewed as better or worse than Lilly. If he’s viewed as worse, it might fall into our budget. If better, yea we’re screwed.
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Wow,
a full no-trade clause.
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only for the first two years
this makes me think we might be able to do stuff like this the lure JDLR
A 2 year no trade clause + non Type-A free agent may be good…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Come on Texas
Add to this lead.
I want to see all the Yankee fans leave early again
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 8:46 PM MDT reply actions
That dinger oughta do it
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Hamilton adds a solo
The fans aren’t really booing, they’re chanting Boooone, Booooone…
by Rockpile Interloper on Oct 19, 2010 8:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Just saw a Time Warner Cable
commercial involving a father and son playing ball. The kids asks his father if they are going to miss the game. Father tells son they won’t after he sets his DVR to record from his phone.
The game he set to record? Phillies vs. Rockies.
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Aww...we're they Phillies fans?
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Not sure.
I just went back to watch it and there aren’t any clues. Father’s hat is a generic one.
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Did he scream at the kid whenever he dropped the ball?
That would be a tipoff.
by Rockpile Interloper on Oct 19, 2010 8:57 PM MDT up reply actions
"Don't tase me Dad!"
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by SDcat09 on Oct 19, 2010 8:59 PM MDT up reply actions 4 recs
If this thread was more active...
that would bve green.
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only needs 1 more...
Come on Russ! Green me man!
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I did.
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Oh, and "green me man"
can be taken in some completely different meaning.
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really? I did not know this
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Done
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Father can't throw a pitch,
Kid asked father if they were going to be in the corn field all day.
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Given that one of Time-Warner Cable's biggest competitors (Comcast) is a Philly-based company...
I wouldn’t be surprised if they took a shot at Philidelphia.
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Rockies were the home team.
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I sure hope it wasn't game 4 from last year
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Game 3 wasn't anything to hope for either...
Let’s hope it was a regular-season game.
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That 12-11 loss from September 2nd this year was pretty painful too
There’s not many good options
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:04 PM MDT up reply actions
How about the game we beat Halladay?
That was a good day…
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Was that the Olivo walk off home run?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes it was
I don’t think Halladay got the “L” but he was the Phils’ starter that day. I think it was also the game when EY got hurt .
by Rockpile Interloper on Oct 19, 2010 9:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Right
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That was when we had all those rain delays
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:11 PM MDT up reply actions
The day before was the postponed game that we ended up playing in Sept.
Sorry to bring up bad memories…
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After that game we won 10 in a row though
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:15 PM MDT up reply actions
And the following night
was when we lost to the Nats in a hog wallow. Horrible conditions that night.
Took the next three from them, though.
by Rockpile Interloper on Oct 19, 2010 9:18 PM MDT up reply actions
And on MLB Network.
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Sure wouldn't be Comcast Sports Network!
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It must have been that 12-11 loss to Philly then
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Ernie Johnson does not sound too happy
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 8:55 PM MDT reply actions
This is just sublime
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Huh, who knew one of the Watchmen could sing!
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I enjoyed both singers today
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:06 PM MDT up reply actions
me too
Patrick Wilson totally looks like my neighbor and friend…
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Is your neighbor and friend the same person?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Lol...yes
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If he wasn't that would have been really bizarre
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Actually, I did
Patrick Wilson is also known as one of Broadway’s most reliable leading men. “The Full Monty” and the most revival of “Oklahoma” are among his credits. He was also the “good guy” in the film version of “Phantom of the Opera”.
Yeah, I’m a fan. Love the guy’s voice.
Get your purple on.
Was he full monty...cause I'm gonna wanna see that...:P
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Yes and No
Yes because all of the guys were totally in the buff at the end. No, because the lighting effects were so intentionally blinding that no one could actually see a thing. Terrific show, however.
Get your purple on.
If it wasn't for that 8th inning in game 1 Texas would be on the verge of a sweep right now
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:14 PM MDT reply actions
I was literally just going to type that....
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Derek Freaking Holland!
Forget unsung hero. He’s the at least the co-MVP of this game. Great job out of the pen.
by Rockpile Interloper on Oct 19, 2010 9:17 PM MDT up reply actions
The Yankees
have the Rangers just where they want them.
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You keep whistling through the graveyard there,Russ
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Someone has to.
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The Rangers
have the Yankees just where I want them
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:21 PM MDT up reply actions
If I said where I wanted the Yankees...
I’d be banned for TOS violation(s)
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Those big seats behind home are looking emptier...
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They sould pay Bengie Molina to sit in them
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Okay, I still don't want the Giants anywhere near the WS.
But if they do make it, nothing would please me more than for Bengie Molina to play an integral part in the Rangers beating them.
this this this this this
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That would be quite satisfying
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:22 PM MDT up reply actions
I get this.
But in fairness, SF made the right move there. Posey in going to be a PITA for our Rox for a long time.
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regardless of the "rightness" of the move.
it would be brilliant to see him beat them
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I like this schadenfreude from you
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:28 PM MDT up reply actions
It's a rare and beautiful thing
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Giants fan's agony
is one of the funniest kinds.
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I see a Rox/Giants really blossoming over the next couple of seasons
The seeds have already been planted
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:26 PM MDT up reply actions
ROx/Giants Rivalry really
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:26 PM MDT up reply actions
My gosh, that pitcher looks like he's 17!
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Derek Holland?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 19, 2010 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe he is Buster Posey's lost Twin
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
Zomtober!!!
by Colsportsfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:52 PM MDT up reply actions
He's Buster's much better looking cousin...
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The idea of theYankees possibly being less than 24 hours away from ELIMINATION warms my heart
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:34 PM MDT reply actions
The "Let's go, Texas" chant is pretty loud at Yankees Stadium...
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Music to my ears
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Why the hell are they walking people with a four run lead?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:37 PM MDT reply actions
Uh oh...now you don't wanna be walking these people there, son
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Rangers Bullpen not necessarily a strong point
Please come through… DOWN WITH THE YANKS!
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Are they seriously going to show that 8th inning everytime the Yankees are behind?
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Geezo, Yankee Stadium gives up some CHEAP homers...
Cano’s hit would have barely made the warning track at coors.
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Walking the bases loaded is embarrassing
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:44 PM MDT reply actions
And now Darren Oliver....sigh
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Buckles seat belt
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:46 PM MDT up reply actions
/takes dramamine and sips Shock Top
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uh....I do not approve of these developments....jeepers guys
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Darrin Oliver is 40?
Holy crap.
I will always remember him for that ST game where there was a swarm of bees and they were attracted to his hair gel.
Listen to how EJ is just perky now....
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Somebody needs to slap him
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Allow me....no really.
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This Texas BP has not been impressive at all....
you don’t just go and walk people in the Postseason
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
Zomtober!!!
Um...that hit him. Oh well karma
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I'll take it
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions
whewwwwwwww ........
I don’t think I should be getting this worked up. I mean, the Rox aren’t even involved…..
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You've spent enough time with me so that you now want the Yankees to lose almost as badly as you want the Rockies to win
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Hambone with another HR!!! woot!!
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heh...probably
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Damn Hamilton has a pretty swing
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:55 PM MDT reply actions
Reminds me of Hawpe when he was raking :(
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Hahahah VLADDY beat the throw!
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I hope the Rangers score 6 runs in the 9th again
I want this to be as painful as possible for the Yankees
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:56 PM MDT reply actions
ahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!! Nellie CruzMissile!
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This is so freaking awesome
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:58 PM MDT reply actions
I completely agree
Couldn’t happen to a more deserving team
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by BittenAnkles on Oct 19, 2010 10:01 PM MDT up reply actions
I love how sad the Yankee fans look
The ones who haven’t left that is
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:00 PM MDT reply actions
I'd rather wait and see how sad ARod looks
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Keep adding on Texas
I want more runs
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:01 PM MDT reply actions
Ugh...just think one stupid inning
and the Rangers would be celebrating the AL pennant at Yankee Stadium
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Oh wait, there's another game there tomorrow :)
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they can celebrate there tomorrow
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
Zomtober!!!
by Colsportsfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe the Yankees will lose three straight at home instead
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Who's more upset right now?
The Yankee fans or Ernie Johnson?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:03 PM MDT reply actions
Sorry dumb question
They are really the same thing
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:03 PM MDT up reply actions
I just love how the Rangers
are doing all of this damage in Yankee Stadium in front of Yankee Fans
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
Zomtober!!!
Sublime and poetic really:)
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It makes it that much sweeter doesn't it?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Tweet from Renck
Rangers have 15 two-out hits in this series. That’s a direct result of hitting instructor Clint Hurdle’s impact.
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Oh dear
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:08 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah...almost makes me sad
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I wonder if he ever benched Hamilton for swinging at the first pitch
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Doubtful...
I don’t think he’ll ever play those games again
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I was so angry at him for that
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Someone needs to tell him
hitting coaches are overrated.
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Tweet from michaelianblack(edited for PR TOS)
I’m no professional sports analyst, but I feel like the Yankees would be winning if they didn’t f***** suck.
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alson
One of the Rangers’ big advantages in this ballgame is that they keep hitting home runs.
LOL that’s funny
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TBS should sign this guy up
GREAT ANALYSIS RIGHT THERE
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions
yes, but Michael Ian Black is a comedian by trade
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If I were in Yankee stadium right now I would be chanting
IN – YOUR – HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!
IN – YOUR – HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:10 PM MDT reply actions
The Rangers WIN....THE-E-E-E RANNNNNGEEEERRRRSSSS WIN!
(think John Sterling)
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I can't wait to hear New York radio tomorrow
It’s gonna be AWESOME
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
God, I hate Sterling.
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The San Francisco Spoiled Children: Weapons-grade stupid since 1883. HUMIDOR THIS you whiny Bonds-hugging babies.
HEAR YE: Tremble (with laughter) at the sight of Sir Preening Fauxhawk, BS, of the Clan of the Great Pumpkin
by Paleface Destro on Oct 19, 2010 10:23 PM MDT up reply actions
And you know what's sad?
He’s my favorite member of that broadcast team
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:27 PM MDT up reply actions
I suppose he does sound good next to Suzyn Waldman
How sad.
Paleface Destro, Wildly Hacking Destroyer of Rallies: Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
The San Francisco Spoiled Children: Weapons-grade stupid since 1883. HUMIDOR THIS you whiny Bonds-hugging babies.
HEAR YE: Tremble (with laughter) at the sight of Sir Preening Fauxhawk, BS, of the Clan of the Great Pumpkin
by Paleface Destro on Oct 19, 2010 10:37 PM MDT up reply actions
I wonder if Roger Clemens is in Geogre's box announcing he is coming back to pitch game 5 tomorrow?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:39 PM MDT up reply actions
He needs somewhere to hide the needles first.
Paleface Destro, Wildly Hacking Destroyer of Rallies: Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
The San Francisco Spoiled Children: Weapons-grade stupid since 1883. HUMIDOR THIS you whiny Bonds-hugging babies.
HEAR YE: Tremble (with laughter) at the sight of Sir Preening Fauxhawk, BS, of the Clan of the Great Pumpkin
Caution: Teams in the Yankees' clubhouse are more overrated than they appear.
by Paleface Destro on Oct 19, 2010 11:05 PM MDT up reply actions
The New York Yankees are now
One game,
Nine innings,
27 outs,
81 strikes…………….
FROM ELIMINATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:14 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Tomorrow could be Yankee ELIMINATION day
One of my favorite days of the year.
Too bad I don’t live near any of you. If I did and the Yankees lose tomorrow I would go out to a bar and buy everyone a drink to celebrate
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions
And I would let you buy me a drink!! lol
2011 Colorado Zombies--Will rise from beneath homeplate with the shards of a broken season in Tulo's hand!
Brad Hawpe - Thanks Brad, you were a class act.
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This is beautiful
It brought a tear to my eye.
Paleface Destro, Wildly Hacking Destroyer of Rallies: Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
The San Francisco Spoiled Children: Weapons-grade stupid since 1883. HUMIDOR THIS you whiny Bonds-hugging babies.
HEAR YE: Tremble (with laughter) at the sight of Sir Preening Fauxhawk, BS, of the Clan of the Great Pumpkin
by Paleface Destro on Oct 19, 2010 10:22 PM MDT up reply actions
These last two games have me ecstatic
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:21 PM MDT reply actions
The Rangers have opened up a TIXAS-sized can of SMITE on the MFY
It is a beautiful and glorious thing to see.
Paleface Destro, Wildly Hacking Destroyer of Rallies: Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
The San Francisco Spoiled Children: Weapons-grade stupid since 1883. HUMIDOR THIS you whiny Bonds-hugging babies.
HEAR YE: Tremble (with laughter) at the sight of Sir Preening Fauxhawk, BS, of the Clan of the Great Pumpkin
by Paleface Destro on Oct 19, 2010 10:23 PM MDT up reply actions
I hope Texas wins 30-0 tomorrow
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh please this
Paleface Destro, Wildly Hacking Destroyer of Rallies: Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
The San Francisco Spoiled Children: Weapons-grade stupid since 1883. HUMIDOR THIS you whiny Bonds-hugging babies.
HEAR YE: Tremble (with laughter) at the sight of Sir Preening Fauxhawk, BS, of the Clan of the Great Pumpkin
by Paleface Destro on Oct 19, 2010 10:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Eck makes a great point
Cruz tagging set up the Molina home run because they walked Murphy with first base being open.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:23 PM MDT reply actions
I've been in awe of the Rangers' aggressive baserunning this postseason
Paleface Destro, Wildly Hacking Destroyer of Rallies: Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
The San Francisco Spoiled Children: Weapons-grade stupid since 1883. HUMIDOR THIS you whiny Bonds-hugging babies.
HEAR YE: Tremble (with laughter) at the sight of Sir Preening Fauxhawk, BS, of the Clan of the Great Pumpkin
by Paleface Destro on Oct 19, 2010 10:24 PM MDT up reply actions
They have had thier opponent on their heels for almost the entire postseason
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:25 PM MDT up reply actions
It's been great
Aggressive but smart at the same time. They’ve got a brass set the size of, well, Texas.
Paleface Destro, Wildly Hacking Destroyer of Rallies: Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
The San Francisco Spoiled Children: Weapons-grade stupid since 1883. HUMIDOR THIS you whiny Bonds-hugging babies.
HEAR YE: Tremble (with laughter) at the sight of Sir Preening Fauxhawk, BS, of the Clan of the Great Pumpkin
by Paleface Destro on Oct 19, 2010 10:27 PM MDT up reply actions
So ESPN has an article up already on Cano's HR comparing it to 1996 and Jeffrey Maier.
They have a quote from Maier saying “it was definitely a homer…” Does ESPN have this poor guy on speed dial? Also, WHO CARES WHAT HE THINKS?!?!?!
"My eyes! The goggles do nothing!" - Rainier Wolfcastle
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=5705181
"My eyes! The goggles do nothing!" - Rainier Wolfcastle
by BittenAnkles on Oct 19, 2010 10:27 PM MDT up reply actions
ok, i give up
"My eyes! The goggles do nothing!" - Rainier Wolfcastle
by BittenAnkles on Oct 19, 2010 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=5705181
2011 Colorado Zombies--Will rise from beneath homeplate with the shards of a broken season in Tulo's hand!
Brad Hawpe - Thanks Brad, you were a class act.
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Let me help
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Charles Blackmon hit a homer tonight
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 19, 2010 10:29 PM MDT reply actions
Was it against the Yankees? :-)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions
TBS just said that Texas is one of just two teams to never make it to the World Series
Aren’t there three (Texas, Seattle, and Washington)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:33 PM MDT reply actions
Mariners went one year
2011 Colorado Zombies--Will rise from beneath homeplate with the shards of a broken season in Tulo's hand!
Brad Hawpe - Thanks Brad, you were a class act.
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nope they made it to the ALCS my bad
2011 Colorado Zombies--Will rise from beneath homeplate with the shards of a broken season in Tulo's hand!
Brad Hawpe - Thanks Brad, you were a class act.
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When they won 117 games in 2001 I was sure they would make it
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions
ugh and they lost to the Yankees too :(
2011 Colorado Zombies--Will rise from beneath homeplate with the shards of a broken season in Tulo's hand!
Brad Hawpe - Thanks Brad, you were a class act.
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But the Yankees lost one of the best World Series of all time so it worked out for the best
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Looks like the Red Sox will be moving the fences in right field in
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:37 PM MDT reply actions
Those jerks....WHY?
2011 Colorado Zombies--Will rise from beneath homeplate with the shards of a broken season in Tulo's hand!
Brad Hawpe - Thanks Brad, you were a class act.
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Because it was so cavernous out there already, right?
Paleface Destro, Wildly Hacking Destroyer of Rallies: Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
The San Francisco Spoiled Children: Weapons-grade stupid since 1883. HUMIDOR THIS you whiny Bonds-hugging babies.
HEAR YE: Tremble (with laughter) at the sight of Sir Preening Fauxhawk, BS, of the Clan of the Great Pumpkin
by Paleface Destro on Oct 19, 2010 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Right field at Fenway actually is pretty big
Down the line is nothing more than a chip shot but overall right field there has a lot of space
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:41 PM MDT up reply actions
I just think of Fenway as being on the...cozy side. Must be its age.
Paleface Destro, Wildly Hacking Destroyer of Rallies: Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
The San Francisco Spoiled Children: Weapons-grade stupid since 1883. HUMIDOR THIS you whiny Bonds-hugging babies.
HEAR YE: Tremble (with laughter) at the sight of Sir Preening Fauxhawk, BS, of the Clan of the Great Pumpkin
by Paleface Destro on Oct 19, 2010 10:42 PM MDT up reply actions
The park is tiny but the field dimentions are more wild than small
Vin Scully once said that Fenway was like being in a pinball machine
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:43 PM MDT up reply actions
So they DID have meth back then.
At least, the designers of the park must have.
Paleface Destro, Wildly Hacking Destroyer of Rallies: Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
The San Francisco Spoiled Children: Weapons-grade stupid since 1883. HUMIDOR THIS you whiny Bonds-hugging babies.
HEAR YE: Tremble (with laughter) at the sight of Sir Preening Fauxhawk, BS, of the Clan of the Great Pumpkin
by Paleface Destro on Oct 19, 2010 10:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Amusing Facebook exchange
My status: “Caution: Teams in the Yankees’ clubhouse are more overrated than they appear.”
Comment (from Yankee fan friend): “I’m sure the Rockies can tell them where all the best golf spots are, since they’ve had so much time to scout them already.”
Me: “All I’m saying is this series is one inning from being a sweep. I don’t understand all the fawning over a team that couldn’t win its division anyway. And yes, the Rockies choked badly, especially at the end. Not denying that one.”
Of course, my MIL (the Phillies fan) decides to get in on the action: “And they have some very sorry fans. the nasty ones who interfered with the HR (whether it would have been caught or not, they touched his glove) and the losers who left early.”
My MIL is awesome, in spite of being a Phillies fan. :)
Paleface Destro, Wildly Hacking Destroyer of Rallies: Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
The San Francisco Spoiled Children: Weapons-grade stupid since 1883. HUMIDOR THIS you whiny Bonds-hugging babies.
HEAR YE: Tremble (with laughter) at the sight of Sir Preening Fauxhawk, BS, of the Clan of the Great Pumpkin
by Paleface Destro on Oct 19, 2010 10:41 PM MDT reply actions
Um, what's a MIL
2011 Colorado Zombies--Will rise from beneath homeplate with the shards of a broken season in Tulo's hand!
Brad Hawpe - Thanks Brad, you were a class act.
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Guesing mother-in-law
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 19, 2010 10:44 PM MDT up reply actions
ahh that makes sense
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Brad Hawpe - Thanks Brad, you were a class act.
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Guessing you're right :-)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah...I was referring to my mother-in-law.
Paleface Destro, Wildly Hacking Destroyer of Rallies: Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
The San Francisco Spoiled Children: Weapons-grade stupid since 1883. HUMIDOR THIS you whiny Bonds-hugging babies.
HEAR YE: Tremble (with laughter) at the sight of Sir Preening Fauxhawk, BS, of the Clan of the Great Pumpkin
by Paleface Destro on Oct 19, 2010 11:00 PM MDT up reply actions
"Caution: Teams in the Yankees’ clubhouse are more overrated than they appear."
That’s sig worthy right there
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2010 10:44 PM MDT up reply actions
I like this idea
Done.
Paleface Destro, Wildly Hacking Destroyer of Rallies: Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
The San Francisco Spoiled Children: Weapons-grade stupid since 1883. HUMIDOR THIS you whiny Bonds-hugging babies.
HEAR YE: Tremble (with laughter) at the sight of Sir Preening Fauxhawk, BS, of the Clan of the Great Pumpkin
Caution: Teams in the Yankees' clubhouse are more overrated than they appear.
by Paleface Destro on Oct 19, 2010 11:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Helton's future with the Rockies
I can’t imagine the Rockies will want waste all that money the next fews years keeping a FORMER great like Todd Helton around the clubhouse. Yeah, he’s a nice guy, but he is NOT helping his team win games, and he is gobbling up a heck of a lot of payroll.
They should promote him to the back office. That way he can do all the grey suit jobs like meet the public, promote the Rockies, work on player development, things like that, and turn his fat player’s salary back to the team accountants to spend on some players who could make a difference for the team!
We all love Todd. But he is smart enough to know he could make a bigger contribution to the team in the office, rather than on the field. His back is really not going to get better. He has a long term, progressively degenerating condition that will preclude his being able to compete at a level to have any type of impact on the field. In the meantime he is souring his legacy by only being able to perform at a “has been” level.
Time to retire!
by Real Perspective on Oct 20, 2010 1:33 PM MDT reply actions
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