2010 NL Gold Glove Winners Announced: Rockies' Gonzalez, Tulowitzki Earn Honors
by Bryan Kilpatrick on Nov 10, 2010 2:05 PM MST
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I had to do a double-take when I saw the article, but it looks like...yes, Jimmy Rollins is NOT penciled in as the National League's Gold Glove winner at shortstop. Instead, Colorado shortstop Troy Tulowitzki finally won his first Gold Glove, and he has some company on the team in fellow young superstar Carlos Gonzalez, who was named as one of the three NL outfielders to take home the award.
It has been a long time coming for Tulowitzki, who has been regarded by most people with a brain as the NL's best shortstop since his first full season in 2007. He placed near the top of the league at his position in UZR and Baseball Reference's Total Zone Runs Above Average. Meanwhile, Gonzalez's selection comes as a bit of a surprise, as he posted a negative overall UZR (-2.7), despite being well above average in left field. Either way, it's nice to see some of our guys take home postseason hardware for once.
One other Rockie could have been considered for a Gold Glove, as Miguel Olivo put up a nice defensive season behind the plate, but was beaten out by the Cardinals' Yadier Molina, who won his third straight award.
The Reds' Bronson Arroyo was the NL's only other first-time winner.
Full results past the jump
| Albert Pujols |
1B |
| Brandon Phillips | 2B |
| Scott Rolen | 3B |
| Yadier Molina | C |
| Michael Bourn | OF |
| Carlos Gonzalez | OF |
| Shane Victorino | OF |
| Bronson Arroyo | P |
| TROY TULOWITZKI | SS |
Here's what it would have looked like if UZR picked the award.
| Ike Davis |
1B |
| Chase Utley |
2B |
| Chase Headley |
3B |
| Miguel Olivo | C |
| Jay Bruce |
OF |
| Michael Bourn |
OF |
| Marlon Byrd |
OF |
| Bronson Arroyo |
P |
| Brendan Ryan |
SS |
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Finally!
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some more groundballs. Its more democratic. - Crash Davis
CarGo is an excellent outfielder.
Idk what this is all about :
Colorado’s Carlos Gonzalez pretty obviously won the Gold Glove with his bat. He deserves some credit for playing all three outfield positions, but there’s not much evidence that he played any of them particularly well.
WTF?? Go watch some effing baseball Neyer, you idiot.
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Oh crap.
Ignore this comment. Somebody already posted the same thing in the Rockpile.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 10, 2010 2:42 PM MST up reply actions
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You are right
Neyer, you idiot.
this was posted in the PR ;)
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TULO!!!!
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This makes me so happy
It shouldn’t because offensive production has WAAAAYYYYY too much to do with the winners but it does.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 10, 2010 3:30 PM MST reply actions
Tulo definitely, absolutely deserves it.
Don’t know about CarGo, but all those years of getting robbed makes me think we were due to steal one.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Nov 10, 2010 3:45 PM MST up reply actions
YAY!!!!!!
Is it 2011 yet?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 10, 2010 3:35 PM MST via mobile reply actions
About. Damn. Time.
Very well deserved & I expect many more for Tulo. Just awesome for both of them.
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by phishbate on Nov 10, 2010 3:48 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Good on ya
Happy to see two of the greatest players in baseball got their due. I do not know the numbers for CarGo’s fielding % but he is no slouch in the outfield. He is obviously more deserving than that Yankees SS.
by Real Perspective on Nov 10, 2010 5:19 PM MST reply actions
I'm glad Tulo and Carlos were recognized with Gold Gloves.
They both played well enough to earn the awards. Tulo had the fourth highest defensive WAR out of all the Short Stops in the majors. When comparing him to the rest of the top 10 he is not only the youngest, but he also owned the highest OPS+ this season. Anyone who watches Cargo knows he is a Swiss Army knife with a canon in the outfield. He probably would play better if he was allowed to get comfortable in a specific position.
Although these two players won awards, Dexter made my favorite defensive play by a Rockie this season:
@charliedrysdale
I was expecting his leap over the fence
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This one?
Just kidding! The other Dex play I loved was the one that saved Huston Street, oh and the one that saved Ubaldo’s no-hitter.
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LOL! hehe...no the one where he lost his glove over the wall
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That was my favorite Dex play of the year! Never gets old.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some more groundballs. Its more democratic. - Crash Davis
Somebody tell JDLR
that he’s got 2 Gold Govers + Dexter behind him if he comes back.
Mediocrity sucks
The first GG is the hardest to win IMO. So get ready for a run of Tulo and Cargo GGs.
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The foolish bloggers don't understand UZR at all.
If you read the explanation of UZR, it is clear that the year-to-year correlation of data (~.5) does not make it a reliable single-season measurement of a player’s true talent.
Same for Plus-Minus. They claim a 3-year sample size is probably best for talent judgments.
I hate when people use single-season UZR values to compare players.
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i believe youre actually misinterpreting the 3 year rule
The plays that feed uzr still happened. While it takes three years to establish a “talent level,” that does not mean one year of uzr is some random number
It is essentially like two months of offensive numbers. In 2009 in April and May, Brad Hawpe had a FAR better OPS than Troy Tulowitzki. If we were to award best offensive player on the rockies, through may, that award would have gone to Hawpe, though everyone would have agreed Tulo was the more talented hitter. Does that mean OPS is a worthless stat? Does that mean OPS over two months isn’t telling? Of course not. IT STILL HAPPENED, and its the same with a year of uzr.
While one year of uzr doesn’t establish a reliable talent level, it still counts, it still happened. its just that there is a sufficiently small number of opportunities that it can be skewed by a bad couple games, just like OPS.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 10, 2010 10:03 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Hmm this makes more sense than what I said
Esp the award by uzr list.
by deacs on Nov 10, 2010 10:19 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
So my question is:
Are we incorrectly valuing CarGo based off of the “Eye-Test”? Was he really below average this year defensively?
Also, when looking at one season of UZR/Plus-Minus, would you only severely regress the data if that player had less than 2-3 years of data? For instance:
Player A:
Year 1: 8 UZR
Year 2: -3 UZR
In this case, you WOULD regress the values, correct? But what about:
Player B
Year 1: 5 UZR
Year 2: 6 UZR
Year 3: 6 UZR
Year 4: -1 UZR
Is player B’s Year 4 statistically significant? Did he really play measurably worse on defense than before, or did the lower sample size of one year make the value less reliable?
I appreciate your explanation. I’m glad I didn’t make a fool of myself by leaving a comment for Rob Neyer criticizing him for the sample sizes…
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as i understand it, yes year 4 is significant
A player can have good and bad seasons on defense just as they can on offense. That isn’t to say uzr is perfectly accurate. By no means am I trying to convey that. I legitimately think it overrates Giants’ OF and underrates Rockies’ OF by the eye test. So there is indeed a margin of error with the numbers.
It just frustrates me that people rip uzr based on one season of data comparing players as if defensive production is completely constant.
In the end, Cargo could indeed have been a positive fielder, but I doubt he was an elite one. He has great tools, but that doesn’t always mean great production. I certainly remember some poor routes. I bet a consistent position and more experience will bring much better results in the stat column for him.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 10, 2010 10:52 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks
Speaking of position, I have always wondered why he tends to see so much time at either corner. Even with Hawpe gone, it seemed that Tracy played CarGo in LF more often that not. I would guess that he would be better suited to RF, but does Tracy value his range in LF when facing RHH? It seems that his plus arm in RF outweighs the constant switching to match the opposing lineup.
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Correct me if im wrong
But I believe Tracy had him starting in LF at Coors and RF on the road. So….yes. Tracy wants solid range in Lf at coors it seems.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 10, 2010 11:03 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Nope
that is what I understand too.
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Could be wrong but...
I’m pretty sure that it is fine to use UZR/150 (with all of the general caveats still applying) for a single season as long as the player already has at least two years of data or whatever the fgraphs people said was a stable sample when it came out.
By then, a player’s true talent level should be apparent, giving more meaning to each following year as well as to yearly deviations (ie, if there’s a wild fluctuation from year one to year two, it is far less meaningful than a wild fluctuation from years five to six, which may mean a true drop or increase in performance or that the formula needs to be looked at).
by deacs on Nov 10, 2010 10:07 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Congrats to two well-deserving Gold Glovers!
I’m thinking (maybe hoping) that Gold Gloves are to the MVP what the Golden Globes are to the Academy Awards; i.e. a win in the former indicates at least significant consideration in the latter. (Although I’d still concede that Votto is MVP).
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But I’m glad they pointed out that Rolen has won a GG with three different teams. He’s been done for at least three times in his career and come back, so that’s fitting.
by deacs on Nov 10, 2010 10:25 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I just wish Ryan Zimmerman would have gotten it, like he deserved.
He is on my list of favorite players. Great guy too, to be one of the best (and most underrated) players in baseball, playing under the shadow of a phenom with just 12 career starts and another kid who hasn’t played an inning of pro ball yet, and still be a cool dude.
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Rolen was a fine choice.
Zimmerman is a great player and fielder, and could easily be MVP this year if not for playing on the Nats and Votto (imo).
Maybe I’m giving Rolen more credit bc of his age and a face of a chain smoking prize fighter, but it at least wasn’t a clear robbing of Zimmerman.
by deacs on Nov 10, 2010 10:48 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Rolen is a classic dirtbag
In the positive way, of course. I think that the choice was fine too, he definitely was GG caliber. IMO just less so than RZ.
Only Jeter is the truely poor selection this year. And the previous 4 times.
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
To be fair to Jeter, unlike every other time, there was at least a case for him last year, though Andrus prob should have won.
by deacs on Nov 10, 2010 11:27 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
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