Colorado Rockies interested in Yorvit Torrealba, Alex Gordon, Kevin Kouzmanoff, more
by Andrew Martin on Nov 17, 2010 3:00 PM MST
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PrintFrom what we've seen on the news wire, the Rockies are:
1. Meeting with Yorvit Torrealba's Agent
2. Interested in Kevin Kouzmanoff
3. Also interested in Jorge Cantu, Ty Wigginton, and Jose Lopez
4. Also also interested in Alex Gordon
5. Are quietly exploring trades and FAs.
What this tells us, as Rockies fans, is that the Rockies:
1. Aren't comfortable with their post-Miguel Olivo catching situation.
2. Appreciate the need for a strong defensive backup, and really want to have Frazier and Goodman say "You know, Kevin Kouzmanoff went to Evergreen High School, and now he's playing for his hometown Rockies" about 700 times this season.
3. Recognize some of their needs and are pursuing a lot of seriously borderline players to fill those needs.
4. Are either A. not happy with Ian Stewart or B. Not happy with the 3rd outfielder situation.
5. Are craftier than reports would indicate.
Let's look at these 1 by 1.
1. This one is kind of a no brainer - what we've learned from it anyway - as Chris Iannetta has been in a tailspin since 2008 and Michael McKenry is the kind of guy who doesn't really project to be a MLB bat, or they're just not comfortable with him as one of 2 potential catchers. The Torrealba talks aren't necessarily contract offers, just feeling each other out, from what those 160 characters would suggest.
2. Kouzmanoff hits lefties pretty well and plays a decent 3B. I don't hate the idea of him as a platoon partner for Stewart.
3. This is seriously a grab bag of awful that's a couple of years removed from decent.
a. Lopez hit 25 homers in '09 and has the potential to reclaim his "above average bat" status in Coors. He never ever walks though, but he strikes out pretty rarely as well. Lopez' .609 OPS in 2010 isn't helping his situation. Rough glove at 2B, but responded very well to a 3B move.
b. Wigginton is like 3 years removed from a pretty studly (.876 OPS with Houston) but also collapsed so thoroughly from his hot 2010 start that he finished the season at a .727 OPS. He also can't field.
c. Jorge Cantu is apparently "clutch" or something, and like the others on our list, is removed from a couple of decent years. In 2008 and 2009, Cantu graded out at a 111 and 109 wRC+ in consecutive years, showing some solid pop to his bat and hit for decent average. Well, the pop is gone, or at least hiding, but Bill James seems to think that Cantu can have a passable rebound at the plate. Cantu also is a terrible fielder.
4. Alex Gordon is another lefthander, but at the very least he's young and cost-controlled. I believe he has 3 more years of arbitration left in him. Gordon just got done with a remedial "change my position" assignment in AAA Omaha, and as such has actually responded well to fielding in LF. RF, not so much. This means that Seth Smith or Ryan Spilborghs are riding the pine and the other likely traded. Of course, this is assuming that "interest" means "sign that contract!" It's an interesting move to make, because Dayton Moore likely won't just give Gordon away, but Gordon does still have some upside to his game.
5. We saw yesterday that the Rockies apparently weren't involved in Uggla talks. Feel about that how you will, but are the "quietly pursuing trades and FAs" indications related to Gordon, or Shields, or Upton, or what? (Man Justin Upton would be a sick acquisition)
Last thought: If the Rockies somehow land someone big and awesome like Justin Upton, I'll forgive poor signings like Ty Wigginton or whatever. I just want one awesome thing this offseason to hang my hat on.
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A big ole pile of meh there
unless we have a bigger trade in the works. Still doesn’t address the RH 1B/C/whatever need.
Arizona will ask for the moon and for Upton they'll get it.
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it seems like we just have interest in half of the players that remotely make any sense at all
don’t get too upset or excited about any of the rumors out there, lets just see what happens.
by black_knight101 on Nov 17, 2010 3:23 PM MST reply actions
I guess it's hard to get upset
When you have Tulo and Cargo and Ubaldo and Chacin, not to mention a very deep farm system. I just wish we could go from good to great.
i know what you mean
but we only missed out on Uggla, who doesn’t quite fit what we are trying to acquire (rental player, bad defense).
Justin Upton though? That would be sick. How much would he cost?
by black_knight101 on Nov 17, 2010 3:29 PM MST up reply actions
yeah good point
well, lets just wait it out and see what happens and hope that something good happens
by black_knight101 on Nov 17, 2010 3:34 PM MST up reply actions
Like all five PuRPs plus Chacin and Stewart
Not happening
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Upton is no ordinary player. As Dave Cameron on Fangraphs said, an Upton trade would be unique
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True
But they are looking for 5 players, not the top 5 prospects, plus two young major league players. Thats a bit over the top.
so would this get it done?
Matzek, Rosario, Brothers, Blackmon, Nelson?
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Somewhat close in value
But it needs major league players. My guess would be Fowler, Friedrich, Hammel, Bettis/Tago, and Nelson/Blackmon
Correction
It needs SOME major league players. They have stated they wouldn’t do it for prospects only.
No, because they want two of them to be ML now
And really, only Nelson fits.
Though, I suppose there’s a chance. How much of one, I dunno. But I don’t think I’d be willing to include all three of Matzek, Rosario and Brothers in such a deal.
Substitute Rogers for one of them, and yes.
Then, I don’t know if Arizona bites.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
Fine, but it would likely take Matzek and two of Rosario/Friedrich/Arenado plus Chacin and Stewart/Fowler
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I doubt that
They may ask that, but they won’t get that. It will be inbetween that and what they got for Haren.
If Chacin must be involved, then we don't make the deal
We’re already trying to fill the JDLR void. Including Chacin in any deal right now would be shooting our nose to spite our face.
And mkorpal’s right, I highly doubt they get a package that high. High, but not as high as what you think it will take right now.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
Obviously not
Chacin + Stewart/Fowler is 5 War right there. Upton is a 4 War player. Add in three of the top 5 prospects, and it makes zero sense.
agree no sense there
Bit it isn’t as if its a 1 War loss off that bat, as whoever replaces Stewart and chacin would be better than replacement players
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 17, 2010 5:17 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Are you sure.
My guess would be Herrera replacing Stewart and Rogers replacing Chacin. No guarantee they are more than replacement level.
Moot point since this club will never trade Chacin.
positive
Herrera/Nelson/kouzmanoff would all be above replacement level. And so would Rogers. Even if they weren’t, they’d find someone who was. Its rare to have a full time player that’s below replacement
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 17, 2010 6:00 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Apparently that's not even close to being true:
While that's more than I expected, that's still not what I'm saying exactly
Greg Smith was below replacement, but he wasn’t in the rotation all year because he was terrible. That’s usually what happens with below replacement players, unless they are riding performance from previous years or marred by strange UZR. If Nelson was THAT bad at 3B, we’d find someone else, and that hodgepodge would almost certainly finish the season at or above replacement
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2010 7:43 AM MST up reply actions
Well sort of
Bear in mind that 944 plays is only 31.5 per team, so we’re not just talking about the outlier bums who got a game or two in desperation. Greg Smith is probably a good example, but he was, initially, in the rotation because it was believed or at least hoped that he could be an acceptable 5th starter. He was not a 4th choice injury call-up, but a player given an ample opportunity to prove himself but who wasn’t up to the job.
Sure
I’m not claiming that guys designed to be full time players don’t end up below replacement all the time. They do, but they don’t finish the season that way. They get Jayson Nix’d
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2010 7:57 AM MST up reply actions
Agreed
Though the guy with -2.1 WAR must have had a fair shot at proving himself! (do we know who that is?)
Pedro Feliz
Like I said, riding the coattails of prior accomplishments
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2010 8:16 AM MST up reply actions
something crazy at least
I’d be very happy with Napoli, and he would come at a much more reasonable price obviously. and fill a much bigger need.
by black_knight101 on Nov 17, 2010 3:41 PM MST up reply actions
I would have no real problem with Kouz as our bench RH hitter
Has he ever played 1st base at all?
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How about this
What if we was to take a look at Adam Kennedy from the Nationals and Aaron Miles from the Cardinals? I know Kennedy can play 1st,2nd and 3rd. He is right handed. His main spot was 2nd. Not alot of pop but he can hit the ball decently. I’m not exactly sure on all his numbers. Aaron Miles can play 2nd, SS, and 3rd. I believe that any one of these 2 guys could be a player at 2nd. What do you all think about these guys? They are available so maybe the Rox can take a look at them.
Aaron Miles is NOT the answer.
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I don't think either are any better than what we already have.
They are pretty much your Hererra/EY2 level players.
I could perhaps get on board with Kennedy if we end up desperate
no to Aaron Miles
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Miles has never had a year where he's hit for power and OBP
and has only ever had one good OBP year (2008). The numbers also say his defense has declined to the point of him not having any positive value.
We could do worse than Kennedy, but hes LH.
I would take him as on a one year $4-5m deal
But I’d rather have Napoli. Makes no sense to get both, since they’d each be someone taking 50 games at 1B. But if we truly can’t trade for Napoli, I’d take Glaus on a one year deal.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
If Glaus earns $4-5m after last year, I will set my monitor on fire
I was thinking he’d be ok on a 1yr/$1-2m contract with incentives.
In this market? seriously?
In the new world 2010 FA market, he’ll probably get a two year deal….
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
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I forgot...if Florida signs him
He’ll get a 3 year deal. For Buck money, no doubt.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
I'm praying that the Buck signing serves as a wake up call
and not a tidal wave.
So I guess that’s one nice thing to say about DOD: he doesn’t give out reactionary contracts in response to a perceived shortage in the market.
I don't NOT want him
he’s just another candidate
by Andrew Martin on Nov 17, 2010 4:11 PM MST up reply actions
I believe Glaus was my idea a couple of weeks ago...
…depending on how the rest of the positions fill out. He’d get to be the slightly younger “Melvin Mora” of 2011.
Good news on JDLR from Renck
Pursuit of De La Rosa picking up steam with multiple teams other than Colo. Rockies willing to only go three years on the left-hander.
by black_knight101 on Nov 17, 2010 4:21 PM MST reply actions
read it again, i made the same mistake as you at first
it says other teams are willing to ONLY do three years
by black_knight101 on Nov 17, 2010 4:24 PM MST up reply actions
multiple teams other than Colo. Rockies willing to only go three years on the left-hander.
Is it 2011 yet?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 17, 2010 4:26 PM MST up reply actions
well it depends on how you read his period
i read it as just an abbreviation, you’re reading it as a period.
i’ll ask what he means
by black_knight101 on Nov 17, 2010 4:27 PM MST up reply actions
yeah looking at it again i think you're right
by black_knight101 on Nov 17, 2010 4:28 PM MST up reply actions
yeah you're right. Renck said to me:
The Nationals, Pirates, Orioles are among most aggressive with De La Rosa. Brewers are not in the mix.
by black_knight101 on Nov 17, 2010 4:33 PM MST up reply actions
But that doesn't answer if they are going 3 or 4 years on the contracts
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I'm not seeing that in his twitter feed
Not specifically…I’m seeing the Rox not willing to go more than 3 years…But nothing as to the terms the other teams are willing to do..
Not trying to be a pain just trying to
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no you're right
he’s not been very specific…i’m trying to get more info out of him.
not easy, i’m sure there’s a ton going on
by black_knight101 on Nov 17, 2010 4:41 PM MST up reply actions
I think what it means is
“Pursuit of De La Rosa picking up steam with multiple teams other than Colorado Rockies willing to only go three years on the left-hander.”
It means the Rockies aren’t the only ones that aren’t willing to go to more than 3 years.
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yup sure seems like it
the only thing he might hold out for is to wait for Lee’s decision, but it does seem like there’s a lot of momentum
by black_knight101 on Nov 17, 2010 4:34 PM MST up reply actions
Jorge setting the market for Lee.
HA.
Is it 2011 yet?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 17, 2010 4:35 PM MST up reply actions
well the only team that may be in the market for both is the Yankees right?
by black_knight101 on Nov 17, 2010 4:38 PM MST up reply actions
The Nationals were rumored to enter the Lee sweepstakes
But I don’t think that was really all that serious.
Why wouldn't it be serious?
They went after Texiera hard a couple of years ago and Tex said he seriously considered them. The Nats publicly said they want to spend money to improve. Why would that not be serious?
Wasn't that more of a hometown guy type thing?
I don’t see the Nationals really a serious suitor for Lee. He will be a Ranger or a Yankee.
Lee of course will sign with Texas or New York
but that doesn’t mean Washington won’t try their very best. They have relatively new ownership, and they’re tired of sucking. They have money to spend and I believe they do want to improve by any means necessary. Lee and Strasburg for the hypothetical next three/four years would be pretty fun to watch.
Not exactly, but sorta
Teixera’s actually born in Annapolis, but went to high school in Baltimore, which is close go DC geographically, but miles apart otherwise. The O’s would have been a natural hometown fit.
No one here would really consider those different (and that would be reasonable), but try telling Baltimoreans that DC is a “hometown team”, and they’ll quite possibly laugh at you.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
Kind of funny. I was just perusing Bucs Dugout
I’m surprised at how many members think JDLR would HURT their team….
bwahhahahahahaha
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Clarification from Renck:
Rox want him at 3 yrs RT @TheBigRick: @Do you mean the other teams only want give JLDR 3 yrs? or that the Rockies only want to give 3 yrs?
Also:
Jon Heyman mentions name I have linked to Rockies. Jon Garland. He also adds that they called about Kevin Millwood, a bounce-back guy
In Andrew Martin’s article above, I see the only impact player in the bunch is Justin Upton. The rest of the guys there are no better and in most cases worse options than we already got. Those Rox Rookies are looking better all the time.
Want to say that Torrealba would be an OK option. He is a decent clutch hitter, even if his arm is a little wobbly. I suppose he is affordable. Anyone have a guess as to what he would go for?
by Real Perspective on Nov 17, 2010 5:06 PM MST reply actions
He's demanding a multi year deal, at no less than he was paid during 2010
Which is why the Rockies won’t resign him.
If he changes his mind and is willing to come back for 1 yr/$2m or so, we’d probably snap him up in an instant.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
Torrealba and Upton
Thanks for the clarification on Torrealba. Who else then would the Rox be able to pick up at C?
I suppose Upton is out of everyone’s reach financially and trade wise. Hopefully there is someone still out there with a bat who is affordable and could represent a real asset to the team.
by Real Perspective on Nov 17, 2010 6:16 PM MST up reply actions
Upton is signed for several years
Expensive, but if he actually does reach his potential, the dollars would be a bargain. But yeah, trade wise, what the D’backs actually want is outrageous, imho. Maybe they do come down some and make a deal, but I doubt any club touches their current demands.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
I much prefer clutch and FISTPUMPZ.
Olivo has a strong arm, but other than that his defense seemed below average to me.
clutch
only happens when those around you get on and you are able to get a hit in that position. I want someone with consistency and I don’t know what that is in the C position right now.
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Now these are IMPACT players!!!
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 17, 2010 5:50 PM MST up reply actions
are you kidding me? we are in a time frame of contention....
we’re the not Yankees but they got to make an effort to get at least get ONE decent above average player. If we were still rebuilding, sign all the journeymen you want, it makes sense. But right now the Rockies have this small window of opportunity, its not the time to sit on your hands and be afraid to go after a impact player for once.
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by Colsportsfan on Nov 17, 2010 9:18 PM MST up reply actions
Rockies Inquiring about Justin Upton
Sounds like a pipe dream to me. Other new names mentioned in the article are Gavin Floyd and Scott Kazmir. Also lots of other notes on names already been mentioned.
well he does make a lot of sense in terms of a fit
he just doesn’t make much sense in terms of what we would have to give up.
by black_knight101 on Nov 17, 2010 7:14 PM MST up reply actions
I don't either
but it would still be possible.
I don’t know who I would want more: Upton or Drew (if he switches to 2B)
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I agree...Unless the organization no longer has faith in Seth Smith
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I tend to agree...
Man, if only we could get McCutcheon…that would be an outfielder I’d like to see running around out there with Dex and CarGo
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There's about as much chance of that as the Rockies trading Cargo
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 17, 2010 10:38 PM MST up reply actions
and I would not trade Cargo for McCutcheon
altho I still have nightmares of that guy running down every ball we hit.
Go Bruce!
And Stewart maybe on the block?
That’s news to me. Does Stewart + a b/c prospect get floyd? Is that even a fair trade. I thought we were all hoping for the big breakout next year from Ian.
Why in the world would we move Stewy? Is that why we're eyeballing Kouz?
oofda!
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Who would you replace him with.
The problem is, we have no good options to replace any of the guys on the big league roster.
Chris Nelson?
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
Kouzmanoff? Glaus? Matt Macri? Eric Chavez? Mora?
I like Stewie but he does tend to swing at bad pitches (opinion based on observation, not stats but if anyone can prove me wrong with stats, I’d like them to.) I think he shouldn’t be out of the question if a good deal is to be had.
Go Bruce!
My problem with moving Stewie for Floyd
is that our weakness last season was offense, not pitching. I like Floyd but I don’t see how this is a step forward.
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That would be my one problem,too
However, if it somehow came in conjunction with picking up Upton, then it’s a net positive, is it not? Not that the two are at all related.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
If they are, it's a major coup for the Rockies.
I’ll have the Rockpile up in a few minutes discussing this, but I’d be excited for either trade.
Heyman just tweeted that the DBacks are "determined not to trade Upton in the division"
No surprise, but worth knowing
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2010 7:49 AM MST up reply actions
And
We’ve rounded up the rest of today’s Upton rumors here, with the latest from Jayson Stark indicating that Arizona seems “genuinely open” to moving their young outfielder. According to a team official that spoke to Renck, the D’Backs would be open to dealing Upton within the division, if the return was significant enough.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
Hmm
Reading between the lines, I think that means Arizona desperately wants to get Upton out of the division even if it means taking a lesser deal, but if the Rockies offered Stewart, Chacin, Matzek, Friedrich and Rosario, they’d accept.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2010 7:59 AM MST up reply actions
What, do
the D’Backs think Upton is Ricky Williams?
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They'd Accept
and I would go on a murderous rampage.
If we did that I would never be able to trust Dan again.
But, thankfully, it won’t
Heyman seems relatively clueless about the situation.
The whole thing about the rest of the division not being able to afford his extremely generous contract indicates as much.
In 2011, yes.
Everyone could afford it just fine. Can we in later years though? He’d be making over $14mil in 2014 and 2015. While that’s a relative bargain for a player of his caliber and potential, that puts a serious hurting on retaining Tulo/Cargo/Ubaldo
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2010 8:26 AM MST up reply actions
Pretty sure that's the last thing Heyman was thinking about
It’s really only an issue in 2015, imho.
But, at any rate, there’s no way DOD gives away the next four years of talent just for Punkton. Matzek and Chacin? No way.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
I wouldn't trade Stewart for Floyd straight up.
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This team doesn't have major league depth at any position
to be trading major league players. Yes they can afford prospect costs, but nothing in the majors.
That's what I'm saying
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by Jeff Aberle on Nov 18, 2010 10:01 AM MST up reply actions
You remember the start of the 2010 season
When we were saying that the Rox had the best depth in the majors?
Depth doesn't equal MLB starters at the corners beyond Stewart in the Rockies' case, unfortunately
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by Jeff Aberle on Nov 18, 2010 11:14 AM MST up reply actions
I would in a second
Stewart’s no better than an average 3B, and he’s not super young anymore either. He is what he is. Kous would be a step down, but not a major one. Meanwhile, Floyd is a reliable, sometimes very good, young starter. You trade position player for healthy young good starter every time, unless the position guy is all star level, which Stewart will never be, given his uppercut swing and blockheadedness.
by BostonTransplant on Nov 17, 2010 8:16 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Kouzmanoff's
upmost ceiling is Stewart’s floor. trading Stewart pretty much kills any upside we have at 3B. I would consider this is Arenado was about to break into the bigs, but that isn’t going to happen.
like I said, this team is in no position to trade major league players. They do not have replacements at the moment.
i think Stewart's "upside" is a mirage
Smith too. Not sure about Fowler, but I think his speed and stroke in the end make him a solid top of the lineup guy. Smith and Stewart are one trick ponies that the league has a killer book on, and both are either incapable or unwilling to adjust. Of the Gen R hitters, Tulo and Fowler make it to stardom, which isn’t actually a bad percentage.
by BostonTransplant on Nov 17, 2010 8:44 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
How is Stewart a one trick pony
he has arguably the best pure power on this team, and plays a strong 3B. Honestly, all he needs are minor adjustments of his approach at the plate.
We'll see
I’ve never coached anywhere near the pro level, but all I see with Stewart is a dead red fastball-plus-hanger hitter with a radical uppercut, maybe the most extreme in the bigs. Combined with a ton of raw strength, there’s your power. But the best power hitters have quick, compact swings, which allows them to adjust to off speed anf fight off pitches in good locations. Stewart’s is LOOOOOOOONG and big. And he won’t change it. Ever. He’s actually pretty easy to pitch to. Kinda down on him (obviously) …. and I sense the FO has too.
by BostonTransplant on Nov 17, 2010 9:04 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
My fear with Stewart
is that he goes down the same road as Hawpe/Atkins, org is high on him, his career falls off and we hold on to him too long and get nothing for him.
yo
if we trade Stewart for Floyd I’m going to be so, so angry.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I would love to have Kouz backing up third
Getting him, a C/1B, and another outfielder would certainly make this offseason a refresher for the offense. In the case that DLR or Francis don’t sign with us, we either use Rogers and Nelson to draw a starter like Floyd or Shields in or just go with Rogers with a junk yard signing as a backup. I firmly believe Rogers can be just as good as Garland and the other #5 rotation types, if not better.
Upton’s a pipe dream, Towers could fleece us easily. I still want a starting outfielder out of free agency or through a trade though.
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Perusing MLBTR
The Colorado Rockies are linked to just about every free agent out there right now lol. If somebody becomes available, O’Dowd will call.
Yeah, my username says it all.
by CentralCaliRox on Nov 17, 2010 10:36 PM MST reply actions
Haven't seen this mentioned yet
but Jon Heyman said the Rockies inquired about Andruw Jones. But don’t bother discussing the rumor. It’s just one reporter saying it. We have no idea if it is fact…
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 17, 2010 10:58 PM MST reply actions
And by "inquiring", they asked him how can he manage to choke down that many donuts
And still walk erect?
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
Reminds me of a Bradbury tweet from last week
Derek Jeter started winning Gold Gloves at the same age Andruw Jones stopped winning them.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2010 7:51 AM MST up reply actions
So the Rockies have been linked with:
*1 player anyone would love but whose signing would cripple the team for years and go against the entire ethos of the FO
*JDLR – a good, possibly affordable free agent who’s being chased by several clubs with more leverage
*a load of reclamation candidates
Not much of an off season so far :(
The names we'd be trading for
have been a lot more interesting though. But yea, FA has been disappointing.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Funnily enough my post wasn't intended as negatively as it admittedly reads.
I am happy with a lot of the players on the Rockies, and I think trying to replace the Smith/CDi/Stewart axis of Actually Talented Players a) with reclamations and mediocrities and b) before they’ve had (another) chance to prove themselves in 2011 is a fool’s errand. Damn the Giants for their lottery win of each of their 2010 reclamations dudes hitting form at the same time, because it seems that the FO now believes it will get as lucky by following the same path.
That said, Aubrey Huff did look like the real deal in 2010 and we should try and get him to platoon with Todd… /me runs, hides
If Huff was a RH hitter
and a more serviceable outfielder, I think the Rockies would be all over him. As it stands, I doubt they will even look at him. But if Huff were to somehow end up with the Rockies, he wouldn’t be platooning for very long. While he’s pretty bad defensively, his bat would get him on the field most every day.
by Rockpile Interloper on Nov 18, 2010 7:49 AM MST up reply actions
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