Friday Rockpile: The Team Around the Corner
by Greg Stanwood on Nov 19, 2010 7:01 AM MST
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PrintRHP Felipe Paulino becomes the first significant acquisition during the post-2010 offseason (coverage by Troy Renck and Jim Armstrong of the Denver Post, Steve Foster of Inside the Rockies and Chris Haft of MLB.com). Paulino will be a pet project for the team, out of options and a potential impact in the rotation or in the bullpen. However, Paulino's position on the team, particularly as a RHP, upside aside, is still murky. What I do know is that he is more of a return than we ever expected from future non-tender Clint Barmes.
With Barmes' departure, right on the heels of a sudden but ultimately sensible release of Manuel Corpas, a mere six players remain from the 2006 team. 2006 may seem arbitrary to many Rockies fans, but I often look back to 2006 personally as it was the year I began closely following Major League Baseball. Of those 32 players on the 40 man roster, Todd Helton and Aaron Cook obviously hold seniority. Following them, Ryan Spilborghs, Chris Iannetta, Troy Tulowitzki and Ubaldo Jimenez. It's more than a little strange to think of those latter four players as the most veteran organizational players on the team. But such is the path of an MLB baseball team, over five years, or even just one offseason.
What comes next? The Rockies have been linked to a variety of names, the same names we've heard over and over again. Perhaps the most notable, tangible news is buried in this Renck tweet. This isn't necessarily confirmation that we're out of the Jorge De La Rosa sweepstakes, but it does provide in the slap in the face to remind us of two things we've known for some time: we don't want more than a three year deal, and other teams are "willing to overspend". Paulino is not a replacement for De La Rosa, though some see similarities between Paulino's condition entering the organization to De La Rosa's back in 2008.
The Owner and GM meetings draw to a close as the week ends, and though the majority of the discussion was regarding the new MLB Collective Bargaining Agreement that must be drafted to replace the one expiring at the end of next season, we have seen the "trade talks" appear to eliminate the dull, meaningless rumor mongering that sat as the free agents declared, though more doldrums can be expected during the holidays.
Finally, a couple of odds and ends:
- An interview with Fredi Gonzalez about the acquisition of former Rockies wishful-target of opportunity Dan Uggla. Gonzalez will of course be reuniting with Uggla after managing him with the Marlins.
- Matt Eddy of Baseball America informs us that outbound Rockies MiLB Free Agents Jonnathan Aristil and Jason Van Kooten have re-signed with our organization for 2011.
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I know there's been quite a bit of talk about Willingham here so I'm not sure if it's been brought up yet
but I saw here that
a baseball source familiar with the Nationals’ thinking believes Willingham will most likely be traded before the 2011 season starts
134 more days until the Rockies Home Opener!!!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 19, 2010 8:13 AM MST reply actions
I'm trying to decide what a good deal for Willingham would be.
An outfielder and a pitcher? Could we convince them that EY2 is an outfielder?
I would be on board with trading EY2
That way Nelson gets a long look at second base with Herrera as our emergency stable option.
I like this idea. I just don't see EY2 being a big help in the long term.
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by pedalpusher on Nov 19, 2010 12:59 PM MST up reply actions
Just asked the folks over at Federal Baseball what they wanted for Willingham and so far it seems the be Major League ready starting pitching
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 19, 2010 9:08 AM MST up reply actions
So...Paulino?
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 19, 2010 9:09 AM MST up reply actions
So that's how you turn Barmes into Willingham
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 19, 2010 9:15 AM MST up reply actions
Maybe now Greg Reynolds will be good for something
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
Another source
here says that a few teams have interest in Willingham and
one of them is “believed to be” the Colorado Rockies
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 19, 2010 8:33 AM MST up reply actions
Epic win
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 19, 2010 8:45 AM MST up reply actions
You and DOD must think alike
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 19, 2010 9:10 AM MST up reply actions
Without knowing everything he's thinking this offseason
I doubt it. I’d be more willing to make at least ONE trade for a big time major leaguer at some point
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 19, 2010 9:12 AM MST up reply actions
Have we ever made a trade
like go out and offer a super big leaguer a gazillion ? not being sarcastic, just was curios
no
But
1) its not like we have to throw money at a guy in trade. It would be dealing prospects. With the depth we have, one of those trades doesn’t kill the farm, unless we stupidly offer a Haren like package.
2) The Rockies haven’t been in a position to trade for an impact player to push them from high 80s in wins to low-mid-90s. Ever. Those five-seven wins are hella valuable.
3)they did trade for Bret Saberhagen in 1995, though that failed and it was per-DOD
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 19, 2010 10:56 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Greg...... Freaking....... Harris............
We gave up:
- Ausmus
- Ashby
- That relief pitcher that starts with the letter B and became pretty good.
- Any chance of building a respectable franchise around an intelligent plan for the next decade.
But hey… We got Bruce hurst too!
Doug Bochtler
yeah, I had to google it…
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Bazinga!!
SD Cat 09 is still awesome
by Junction Rox on Nov 19, 2010 12:23 PM MST up reply actions
Ausmus
would have been a good trade candidate at the time because we were running Joe Girardi out there as the starting catcher. Ashby was okay but not great.
Harris was terrible while in uniform with us but that was worth a shot, and it happened well before DOD came around.
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Better yet, they could have moved Girardi
As a first year expansion team it made more sense to trade the veteran to somebody looking for immediate help and keep the talented kid with upside.
And had they traded Girardi before they got crosswise with him over labor/union issues, they probably could have gotten a better return than Mike DeJean…
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Bazinga!!
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by Junction Rox on Nov 19, 2010 12:38 PM MST up reply actions
Well Willingham is pretty big
If you go any bigger than him you have to give up some really nice pieces on the farm
133 more days until the Rockies Home Opener!!!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 19, 2010 9:16 AM MST up reply actions
It's a little strange that the article keeps citing "the paper" as a source.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 19, 2010 8:57 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah that is a little weird
I’m starting to see the Rockies linked to Willingham in a couple of places so I’m not sure who had it first.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 19, 2010 9:11 AM MST up reply actions
Well actually I am
You had it first.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 19, 2010 9:11 AM MST up reply actions
Uggla trade set the bar
we should offer EY2 and Delcarmen for Willingham, Speedy infielder and a hard throwing releiver thats the going rate right?
The problem with that though is that Uggla will be getting about 13 million in 2011
while Willingham will only get about 7 million. That difference in money boosts Willingham’s value a little.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 19, 2010 9:13 AM MST up reply actions
Washington Post thinks more like 6-6.5mil
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 19, 2010 9:13 AM MST up reply actions
I thought I saw 7 somewhere
I may be mistaken. In this market nothing would surprise me though.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 19, 2010 9:19 AM MST up reply actions
I may have said 7 as a high end just for the "safe side"
but many WPost articles have said 6-6.5
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 19, 2010 9:20 AM MST up reply actions
I think you're number (if that's where I saw it) is better
This market is out of control
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 19, 2010 9:22 AM MST up reply actions
Not by double
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 19, 2010 9:14 AM MST up reply actions
3.76
Uggla’s average War is 3.76, Willingham’s average War is 2.54. I think it’s enough to counteract the lower salary of Willingham.
But will we get a 1 WAR improvement over what we have on the roster
using that 7mil for someone else? Most likely
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 19, 2010 9:23 AM MST up reply actions
On the other hand
Uggla hits more home runs and plays middle infield, and is younger.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
It probably depends on team needs but I still believe that the 6-7 millon dollar difference in salary for one player is enormous and will make a deal like the Braves made hard to pull off
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 19, 2010 9:24 AM MST up reply actions
Willingham is easily the potential target whose name has been thrown around significantly that I'm most excited about.
He seems to fit our needs better than most everyone else.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 19, 2010 1:43 PM MST up reply actions
Don't do it Bud
I see the baseball playoffs as something special, something hard to attain, the rest of the sports bad teams sneak in because half the teams make it to the playoff. I really hope they don’t change.
by Rosenort on Nov 19, 2010 8:14 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
I think most people would be on board with Willingham
he even expressed his willingness to play first if Dunn left Washington. I have seen multiple places that have stated that Washington isn’t looking to hold on to him hope it wouldn’t cost us too much in prospects.
Upton Upton Upton Upton no whammy no whammy no whammy
STOP!
Is it 2011 yet?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 19, 2010 8:25 AM MST via mobile reply actions
I think this would be awesome but
they will want way too much to trade him to us.
agree
I think we are ready to spend way too much, but Arizona will go berserk
And frankly, if there are actually 15(!!!!) interested teams
AZ’s gonna be able to play at least 2-3 off each other. DOD’s not gonna play that game.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
And if you can't complete the deal there's no need to possibly drive the price for Upton higher and bring more good young talent into the D-Backs system
133 more days until the Rockies Home Opener!!!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 19, 2010 9:27 AM MST up reply actions
Agreed...that game of chicken the Yanks/Sawx tend to play is pretty idiotic, really
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
Yeah, but ...
True, but Upton is a young, high impact player. He is also proven at the Majors level. Think what it woud mean to the Rox to have Tulo, CarGo and Upton in the lineup! It will drive opposing pitchers nuts, and increase the BA of every other position player on the team. It will increase the Rox pitchers’ win-loss record. Rolling him into the current roster would make the Yanks/Sawx and their likes shudder. And the D-Backs, despite their retooling, will not have an answer. If DOD & Co. can strike the deal it’s because the kid must be worth it!
by Real Perspective on Nov 19, 2010 10:32 AM MST up reply actions
Think what it woud mean to the Rox to have Tulo, CarGo and Upton in the lineup!
brb, need to change pants.
Is it 2011 yet?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 19, 2010 10:36 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
"brb, need to change pants."
So does Punkton. To grey and purple pinstripes.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
by Mondogarage on Nov 19, 2010 10:42 AM MST up reply actions
I would die of a heart attack if this ever happens....
unfortunately it isn’t worth destroying our entire farm for him. But any one of these players use in a package would be fine by me: Smith, Spilly, EY2, Nelson, Fredrich….and pretty much any other prospect not named Rosario or Matzek.
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
Zomtober!!!
by Colsportsfan on Nov 19, 2010 10:48 AM MST up reply actions
Yes.
Though, if the Rox didn’t have to include him in the deal, they’d have an outfield of CarGo, Fowler, and Upton. Yeeeeesh.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Nov 19, 2010 1:14 PM MST up reply actions
I would be fine getting rid of Fowler...
especially now that he’s a Boras clint
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
Zomtober!!!
by Colsportsfan on Nov 19, 2010 3:08 PM MST up reply actions
Why?
He’s still cheap, he still has real upside. Plenty of time to get rid of him in 2013 or 2014.
I mean if you’re fine getting rid of Fowler now just because he’s a Boras client, that means you’re equally fine with getting rid of CarGo right now, as well.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
I'd trade Fowler in a blockbuster only trade.
He has a lot of value right now after his finish to the 2010 season.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 3:11 PM MST up reply actions
IAWTC
That said, I think Fowler has an awful lot of value to us on our team, as well. I have no desire to trade him at all. But if he gets us something huge, then….probably.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
That is exactly how I feel about him too.
Yeah, my username says it all.
by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 3:14 PM MST up reply actions
And the "trade CDI" ship sailed when we traded Olivo
As it is, we still need to sign a replacement level backup, because I don’t think McKenry’s it.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
A few other links
Clint Barmes Radio Interview with KILT in Houston
Jason Collette, Rays ESPN Insider: just in case you doubted the Rockies got a good deal for Barmes:
wish the #Rays could have dealt Bartlett for Paulino to put in the pen
Troy Renck said in passing the Rockies have interest in Scott Kazmir:
If the Rockies want Scott Kazmir, they can probably have him no trade needed
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 19, 2010 8:56 AM MST reply actions
Only cause he's so damn good at them
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
I'd be down with Kazmir
that guy used to be pretty great
Who knew that Muzia’s love is like a rock tied to your feet, dragging you to the bottom of the ocean?
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There's a decent buylow candidate, but not without the Angels picking up a ton of his remaining dollars
I mean, he’s got more coming to him than Greinke, as far as I recall.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
by Mondogarage on Nov 19, 2010 10:06 AM MST up reply actions
and they'd be happy to pick up most of it
throw in a C prospect and we’d probably only pay 2-3M of the deal plus buyout
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I'd be fine with that
Unlike my thoughts on Shields, I actually think Kazmir’s 2010 is not indicative of his real ability.
I know I’m probably being foolish with that statement.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
by Mondogarage on Nov 19, 2010 10:10 AM MST up reply actions
You're right though
the guy collapsed in 2010, for no real reason. I think Dac would have a better chance with Kazmir than someone like Paulino.
And he’d be cheap. And he has #2 talent. I can really dig this idea.
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A bum shoulder finally going kaput is a pretty real reason.
I’m okay with going after Kazmir in the same way I was okay with going after Conor Jackson, but my expectations would be pretty low. I think he’d be a good candidate to do what the Dodgers did with Kuo and move him to relief.
Is it actually toast? This I did not know. Too bad.
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Kazmir had a pretty bad 2009 too
Is fangraphs down for anyone else? I can’t get to his FIP and xFIP but looking at B-R, Kazmir posted a 89 ERA+ in 2009 followed up by a 68 in 2010.
Plus who knows how much salary the Angels would pickup. Hes owed 12 mil in 2011 and has an option for 13.5 with a 2.5 mil buyout in 2012.
I’d rather go with Shields
by purplesocks on Nov 19, 2010 12:34 PM MST up reply actions
Alright now Fangraphs is working
Kazmir 2009: 4.89 ERA 4.26 FIP 4.88 xFIP
2010: 5.94 ERA 5.83 FIP 5.62 xFIP
by purplesocks on Nov 19, 2010 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
Would we be getting Kazmir as our #5 pitcher?
I think Aaron Cook is probably #5 right now and we are looking for a #2 or 3
Not sure why people think Cook is a #5
He was showing real skill towards the end of last season, and let’s not forget he was our #1 eighteen months ago. If he hasn’t lost it – and it’s a substantial if – then he is a lot better than a 5th starter.
If he's healthy, he's probably no worse than a #4
If he pitches like he did his final two starts, he’s at least a strong #3
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
Agreed.
I’m definitely looking forward to see if he regains his form.
Hey Cook, don’t go on a diet though. :)
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 2:38 PM MST up reply actions
I agree with you in that if he pitches like he did in his last couple starts hes more than a #5
But like you acknowledged, thats a big if. If he pitches another 5.08 ERA year, then hes a #5.
I am just saying, if we are going to trade for more pitching, lets get a #2 or #3 rather than another #5 or #6 since we have done that already with Paulson.
Three quotes that stick in my mind for Upton
ESPN MLB Rumors: “The Rockies have also kicked the tires on Justin Upton, but they do not appear to have the young pitching to complete such a trade.”
We have young pitching so the only thing I can think of is that O’Dowd was trying to initiate a trade and basically said Chacin, Freidrich and Matzek are off limits.
MLB trade rumors: “The Rockies inquired on Upton, according to the Denver Post’s Troy Renck. A Diamondbacks official expects the team would be willing to deal within the division, though they’d have to receive a very strong offer.”
They might have even throw out an offer that didn’t include those pitchers but that offer and any others would have leaned heavily in AZ’s favor.
Jon Heyman tweet: “dbacks determined not to trade justin upton in division. not that any of those teams but champion SFGiants can afford him”
- The latest news leads me to believe that if the tires were kicked between the Rockies and the D’Backs, they might have decided that it is not a good idea.
If we get Willingham I would be at least be satisfied that our offense improved, even if we can’t sign him after he hits free agency we would still get compensation. I am also sort of excited to see what Blackmon can do in 2012.
I like Willingham
But if you buy in to Bill James projections, he isn’t really an upgrade over our current outfield for 2010. Just worse defense.
I would love to add a power bat, but I think most of our improvement in 2011 is going to come from Fowler/Stewart/Iannetta/Smith. Probably 4-7 wins worth of improvement IMO.
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
You can't rely on them soley.
And we do need another right handed bat, that’s pretty obvious. Yes, Bill James does project Smith to be as good as Willingham, but I don’t trust Bills projections all that much.
I like smith going forward like James does
his first four months of the year were good to great. Willingham provides depth at 1B and a RH bat to hit 5 or 6
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Well,
James thinks every single player will have an all star caliber season, so I don’t put much stock in what he thinks.
He hates Colby Rasmus next year
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I will bet you 100 real dollars or ten million internet dollars
Colby Rasmus hits more than 19 HR’s next year
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
To me Willingham and Napoli would make me very comfortable going forward
if I had to chose one it would be Willingham as I thing a Rogers centered trade could be made. Add a an innings eater in the Garland mold and I would put us back as favorites to win the NL West
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
the Scripts keep killing it for me
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
same.
Who knew that Muzia’s love is like a rock tied to your feet, dragging you to the bottom of the ocean?
Hates Tulo. Loves (and misses) Galiardi.
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same.
Had to restart my browser. I hate that.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
by Mondogarage on Nov 19, 2010 11:09 AM MST up reply actions
mlbtr loaded for me
fangraphs is crashed
by Andrew Martin on Nov 19, 2010 11:13 AM MST up reply actions
I was able to go directly to the story pages
here but the main page is hard to get to
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
The internet is dying!
The aliens are coming! Everyone check their hand crank radios for amateur radio shows to keep up posted!
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 19, 2010 11:23 AM MST up reply actions
More reason to pay the farm for Upton now!
There is no tomorrow!
China found the key to the internet.
and now we are going to pay a lot to get it.
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I respect Colorado’s restraint both with its prospects and its money. However, I’m among those that feel that the window of opportunity for October baseball is short lived. I came across this quote from Tigers GM Dan Dombrowski while peaking at Mlbtraderumors:
“When you want to get the best players at certain positions, you have to be aggressive and prepared to do things.”
Its really a stark difference from the “We wolly willikers, hope we’re better next year” approach I read about our front office. Is it early? Absolutely. Is it possible Colorado blows us all away and lands Cliff Lee and Jayson Werth? Improbable but why the hell not, right?
What I guess I’m saying is I’d like to see the team get bold. Yes, bold gave us Todd’s crazy contract. Hampton and Neagle too. But, at least that’s trying. Again I know its early.
Chris B
You are quoting a guy who just gave Huston Street money to a Belisle type pitcher
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Trying is good
trying and smart is better.
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Bazinga!!
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by Junction Rox on Nov 19, 2010 11:26 AM MST up reply actions
Trying and smart and being able to afford mistakes like $18m to Sheffield is better still
My god, the Tigers have carried some bad contracts over the years.
And while we’re at it, how many playoff appearances have the Tigers had with Dombrowski at GM?
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
by Mondogarage on Nov 19, 2010 11:38 AM MST up reply actions
And the answer is:
Less than the Rockies.
Damn, I hate ignorant writers.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
by Mondogarage on Nov 19, 2010 11:40 AM MST up reply actions
They also got swept in the World Series
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 19, 2010 12:04 PM MST up reply actions
Detroit won a game. But it was still against an 83 win Cardinals
I wouldn’t follow the Det method
by purplesocks on Nov 19, 2010 12:41 PM MST up reply actions
I swore they got swept
Either way, it wasn’t competitive either
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 19, 2010 1:12 PM MST up reply actions
No it was not
If I remember right (which is a big if in itself), the tigers could not field bunts to save their lives that series.
They had something like 57 errors by pitchers in that series.
Most of them at very important moments in the games.
I’m still cringing thinking about that. Detroit had the better team IMO.
by blooming rock on Nov 19, 2010 2:27 PM MST up reply actions
You remember correctly
The Tigers made 8 errors in that 5 game series and with a different official scorer could have easily been nailed with 10 or 11. The biggest one was made by Fernando Rodney in the 7th inning of game 4 with the Tigers up 3-2, Eckstein on second, and pinch hitter (bunter) So Taguchi at the plate.
After fielding a bunt, Rodney threw wildly to first, failed to get the runner out, and allowed Eckstein to score. Then to add insult to injury, Preston Wilson (our old friend) drove in the go ahead run with a two out base knock to left field. (The Tigers would go on to lose 5-4)
Detroit also led 3-0 early in this game but let multiple opportunities to build on that lead slip through their fingers. In fact, they left a man in scoring position FIVE TIMES in this game. A truly dreadful performance.
I only bring all this up because if Detroit had won Game 4, which they should have, the series would have been tied 2-2. Furthermore, it would have insured that the series was going back to Detroit in Game 6; a place where the Tigers were 5-1 that postseason.
That World Series was closer than most people remember because if the Tigers didn’t have that largely forgotten meltdown in Game 4, it might have been a dandy that went the distance.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 19, 2010 2:46 PM MST up reply actions
Selling the farm....
I’d have argued tooth and nail with you had you said this in any offseason since 1995. But now…. I think this line of reasoning may be valid. The team is closer than ever, has identifiable holes, there’s impact players available who fit those holes, and there is a clock (not a time bomb) ticking. Not saying go overboard on the Benoit’s of the world, but if there is a way to get an Upton or sign a Victor Martinez….. Now more than ever is the time.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 2:37 PM MST up reply actions
This may sound kookoo for Coco Puffs
and some of us discussing late yesterday evening in a different thread, but what about Morales going into the starting rotation? Benefits v drawbacks…Would solve our LHP starter issue if DLR leaves…
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It's a long shot that Morales would work out
But what do we have to lose? He’s an absolute laibility in the bullpen, because you never know when he’s going to have a total meltdown.
I have a realistic outlook on relievers, fully expecting them to get roughed up from time to time. But that’s not even the issue with Morales. He’s bad so much more often than he’s good, you can’t even think about using him in a tight situation. That just makes for a heavier workload for everyone else.
I say give him another shot as a starter, even if it takes a while and requires some patience. It could breathe new life into a guy who has a terrific left arm, but whose career is circling the drain.
by Rockpile Interloper on Nov 19, 2010 12:47 PM MST up reply actions
I agree with this
It’s a long shot, but hell, I think it’s also a long shot that he even becomes a reasonably reliable reliever. So what the hell, give it a go, but I’m very pessimistic about the results.
And, he’s going to have to accept probably pitching at least 1/2 a season in AAA again to do so.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
hey, he was good in his only full start of 2009
before the injury. Maybe there’s still a chance
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Except he had like a 12 to 1 flyball to groundball ratio
We call that “unimpressive” right?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 19, 2010 1:13 PM MST up reply actions
and only a 12:2 FO/Balk ratio
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problem is he's out of options now
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isn't he out of options though?
possible he may get claimed if he gets sent down to AAA
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I don't know, but if you guys say so, I'll presume that's true
But I highly doubt he’s one of our 5 best starters by late in ST.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
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I doubt it too
but I also don’t think he will be one of the best 6-7 guys for the bullpen either.
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oh i agree
just saying if we try and turn him into a starter he’ll likely be gone from the team anyway
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He's profiling to become the next JDLR
For the last year, I’ve been pretty sure about this.
He’s not going to make it with us. He’s going to bounce around a couple more franchises until he’s 27-28 years old and finally figures “it” out, and becomes a hardthrowing, effectively wild LH, and will get his 8 figures a year.
But it also won’t be worth it for us to keep carrying him for another 3-4 years until he gets to that point.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
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I haven't ruled
out that idea and I think it would be interesting to see. I don’t know if the club would do that because of everything else they have already done with him. I wish they had been more consistent with him from the beginning.
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JFK
I keep forgetting he's 24
and I’m honestly afraid that he’ll turn in 2 good starts, and then get called for a balk and then it’s all downhill again.
by Andrew Martin on Nov 19, 2010 12:48 PM MST up reply actions
Or two good starts
and get injured, stuck back in the bullpen and moved into different situations is more likely.
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JFK
Yes, but as a starter
You at least have a chance to work around some mistakes and right the ship. Right now he throws like the whole season is riding on every pitch, then promptly throws it four feet off the plate.
It’s better than just giving up on him, which is what’s going to happen fairly soon if he stays out in the pen.
by Rockpile Interloper on Nov 19, 2010 12:55 PM MST up reply actions
Well, maybe with some mentoring from Ubaldo
and Apodaca’s training and a swift smack to the back of his head ( mom-style), maybe he’ll find his way to greatness.
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I love this idea
i think morales will be great as a starter
This is what I've been advocating ever since they moved him to the bullpen.
I thought it was stupid then and it’s stupid now.
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I didn't understand the move
especially after he started in 2009. Sure we had Hammel and a full rotation but that doesn’t mean he can’t get work starting in AAA, and be called up to start. I think he got some work there and then they called him up for bullpen work which didn’t help him at all. He should have been a starter.
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IIRC, he had some success in AAA this past year right?
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And just think
If a miracle happens, the light bulb comes on for him, and it does work out. Were not talking about a lunch pail guy who could just eat up some innings for us. On the contrary, he has the arm to be a real asset.
by Rockpile Interloper on Nov 19, 2010 1:10 PM MST up reply actions
This.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Nov 19, 2010 1:17 PM MST up reply actions
I will say that his mental game
is a lot more suited for a starter than a high leverage bullpen guy. He’s the type of pitcher who tries too hard and loses control. So out of the pen it takes him too long to get his stuff together. As a starter I think he will be a lot more composed and as a result effective.
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But I doubt it’ll happen. I believe last week we heard Morales would be a reliever again. I say he’s young, give him a shot at the rotation.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 2:36 PM MST up reply actions
Scott Van Pelt just gave a shout out to SB Nation on his radio show.
Reads it a lot (didn’t specify which blogs).
Tigers have signed Al Alburquerque (sp?) to a major league contract
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he was a minor league free agent
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yep
that’s why i thought it was worth mentioning, i was surprised too
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Detroit is bold
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Bazinga!!
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by Junction Rox on Nov 19, 2010 2:33 PM MST up reply actions
Detroit is stupid.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 2:34 PM MST up reply actions
Detroit is....
….a three year deal for Joaquin Benoit.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
Detroit is
The Astros of the AL
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 2:39 PM MST up reply actions
Which makes sense, because Detroit (the city)...is
the As(s) of the Midwest.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
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by Mondogarage on Nov 19, 2010 2:40 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
lmaooo
rec’d.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 2:41 PM MST up reply actions
And yes, Houston is definitely the ass of Texas
In oh so many ways.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
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Why yes, yes I have
Stayed in a hotel where it looks like the previous guest had had the door kicked in, and I could swear there were two bullet holes over the bed.
Never went again.
What makes Houston worse than Lubbock is….just as nasty, but 25 times the size.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
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Well
1. Houston has a microbrewery, Lubbock doesn’t.
2. Houston has trees, Lubbock doesn’t.
3. Houston has water (polluted, much of it, but it’s
water, Lubbock doesn’t.
4. Houston has major league baseball in a good
park (quirky though it is), Lubbock doesn’t.
5. Houston has some interesting places to go,
due to its diversity & the international trade
there. Lubbock has monoculture.
6. Lubbock did have Buddy Holly, I’ll grant you,
but he died. Houston had Lightnin’ Hopkins
& Albert Collins. They died, too, but they
hung around longer than Buddy.
Lived in Houston 10 years & thought it was OK.
But there’s a reason we’re moving to Colo. in
2012.
Mediocrity sucks
Houston has my sister. :-)
They’ve only been there about a year, but I think they like it okay so far (both she and my bro-in-law are from Colorado).
Lightnin’ Hopkins and Albert Collins
automatic win!
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My initial arrival in Texas in 1978 with through Houston....
And my sister lived there for several years as an adult.
Lubbock has college football.
Houston has….University of Houston college football. And Rice college football.
I wouldn’t put Houston in…say…..Detroit’s league. But still….
tbh, I don’t like either city. But then, there’s not really a whole lot of Texas that I do like, outside of Austin, where I grew up. I don’t mind Dallas. Love San Marcos and New Braunfels. Was okay with Midland.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
I will be haning out with an Austinite tonight
probably about your age.
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You know what they say
“Keep Austin Weird”
I haven’t actually lived there since 1985, when I joined the military. My parents and brother are still there.
Awesome city, in many ways.
In other ways, some of the aspects that people think are so wonderful about it, are really just shadows of what those aspects really were, about 20 years or so ago. Such that the level of greatness doesn’t quite match the illusion of the level of greatness.
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That's why he became a minor league free agent
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For both parties, obv
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Pretty meh trade anyway
Wish we would’ve kept Baker instead of Atkins. Just sayin’….
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 2:30 PM MST up reply actions
I still really like that Paulino trade.
And it makes Rogers expendable. Let’s package him in a trade for either a starting pitcher, Willingham, or Napoli. Sound good?
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OMG MY NAME CHANGED!
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 2:29 PM MST up reply actions
I am GoRockies!!
:)
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 2:29 PM MST up reply actions
aka GoCentralCaliRockies!!
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
haha this.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 2:38 PM MST up reply actions
I am a fan of Central Cali
/sssssssshhhhhhhhhh
"Don't be pushed by your problems. Be led by your dreams."
get straight out of town
you…you just get out, a cali fan? I had no idea. None.
by the way have everyone’s wounds healed from that fight yet?
by Andrew Martin on Nov 19, 2010 2:58 PM MST up reply actions
Nice
You’ve been trying to change it for a while right?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 19, 2010 2:50 PM MST up reply actions
Nah, just for like 2 days.
SBNation Support changed it very quickly. High 5 to them.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 2:55 PM MST up reply actions
You should change your sig for a while so people know you are GoRockies!!!
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 19, 2010 2:59 PM MST up reply actions
Good idea.
Thanks!
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 3:04 PM MST up reply actions
I think this is a great idea
I’m not sold at all on the desire to keep Rogers if any team has interest in him
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
make it happen DOD
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 2:39 PM MST up reply actions
Which is not to say he's useless
But I don’t see him as a valuable ML contributor, really, but given his stuff….he’s more valuable as a trade chip than as a member of our roster.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
I agree.
He’s probably going to get squeezed from the roster anyway.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 2:43 PM MST up reply actions
Regarding the similarities between the JDPR that the Rockies acquired in early 2008 vs. Paulino now:
Check out JDLR’s stats in 2007 with the Royals (the year before the Rockies acquired him).
Now compare that to Paulino’s stats in Houston last year.
Now consider that JDLR had just turned 27 when the Rockies acquired him in early 2008 and Paulino has just turned 27 this past October. So many comparable numbers between those two seasons, and the differences show Paulino as the better pitcher (xFIP). It seems like Paulino’s weaknesses are those that JDLR had (lack of confidence with secondary pitches, wildness, low GB%), all things that DAC seems to be good at working with.
The more I look into this, the better this move gets.
Let's hope Paulino turns into a similar pitcher as JDLR
And I can definitely see it happening.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 2:35 PM MST up reply actions
The big difference, of course, is handedness.
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Interesting..
Maybe we shouldn’t take what Renck posts TOO seriously:
The Denver Post reported this week that the Nationals, Pirates and Orioles have pursued De La Rosa most aggressively, but Zrebiec says the O’s have just "tepid" interest in the lefty.
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A lot of it is gamesmanship
And sometimes, the club’s rep saying interest is “tepid” is actually a red herring, and they’re pushing hard.
Other times, it’s exactly the reverse, where the team has little interest, but puts out the vibe their pushing hard, to either make rivals overpay, or to take attention away from the deal they’re actually trying to make with someone else.
Basically, the teams know they can always rely on the teeming masses of “experts” to tweet anything they’re told, because they want so much to be the one to break the story.
We can enjoy the ride, but the only story to put any actual stock in at all is the one written after the trade or signing. The rest….without corroboration is only either hearsay, deception, or utter speculation, except for the occasions when it’s accurate, and there’s no accuracy test to perform on these.
The above notwithstanding, it makes no sense for the O’s to spend this kinda money on JDLR, as they’ve got so many other needs.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
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Agreed on all points.
Just gotta wait the decision.
I also think the Pirates and Orioles will not sign JDLR. Nats MAYBE.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 2:56 PM MST up reply actions
I would go a bit further and make the Nats the favorite
That is, if they’re offering four years.
If they offer only three, then we keep him.
DC’s got a very large Latino community, which shouldn’t necessarily be a difference maker obviously, but given their need to fill/upgrade the rotation and their need to try to increase ticket sales and marketing opportunities, and knowing the nature of the Lerners, I can totally see where they’d overpay even more for a Latino hurler in this circumstance, because of the perceived ancillary benefits.
I really believe Pittsburgh’s a non-player here (unless they also go four years), and that the Hurdle connection is overblown. If Dac were in Pittsburgh, it would be much much different.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
I hate that three teams who have been terrrible seem to be the favorites to land JDLR
That means we’re probably going to get a second round complimentary pick instead of another late one in the first round.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 19, 2010 3:06 PM MST up reply actions
Doesn't a protected pick get two compensation round picks?
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I thought Type A free agents get you a first round pick plus a sandwich pick between the first and second rounds
However if it’s protected (which I believe the first 15 picks are), then you get the Sandwich pick and the other team’s second round pick instead.
Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 19, 2010 3:17 PM MST up reply actions
It depends also on who else the team signs
and if they are higher ranked, so it’s possible to get a 3rd rounder and a sandwich(PPJ)
This usually only happens when the Yankees get involved though
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 19, 2010 3:23 PM MST up reply actions
That's correct (first 18 or 19 picks are protected this year though)
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Also,
picks 7, 10, and 15 do not provide compensation in 2012 if the team fails to sign its draft pick there.
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So... has anybody read Phil Rogers' column?
Where he seemingly suggests a Chris Iannetta and Ian Stewart for Gavin Floyd and Scott Linebrink and/or Mark Teahen swap. He’s indicating the latter two would be salary dumps by the Sox. Given how unpopular the Stewart for Floyd scenario was, I have a feeling this won’t go over any better here. The three combined are due $15.25 million in 2011 and Teahen and Floyd are due an additional $12.5 million in 2012. Given that he’s a bit of a redundancy for us as a left handed corner, I seriously doubt the Rockies would be at all interested in Teahen, while Linebrink’s sort of a maybe as all teams like to horde pitching. I think Linebrink would do well moving back to the NL, but taking him at his cost would be doing the Sox a favor, so I’d expect them to ask less of us in returning players.
The more interesting new part for me is the added interest in Iannetta, who the Rockies supposedly could be willing to deal. Does Iannetta and a prospect for Floyd and Linebrink make sense?
Go for Floyd
Floyd would definitely be someone to go after! This guy could definitely spruce up the rotation!
by Real Perspective on Nov 19, 2010 3:54 PM MST up reply actions
No way.
I wouldn’t trade Stewart right now. His value is SO low and he has a lot to show. Give him one more year.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 2:57 PM MST up reply actions
I agree
I think Stewart’s best baseball is ahead of him. I also believe that’s true for Iannetta. If its still possible, I am much more in favor of acquiring a pitcher through free agency than disturbing our talent base.
I doubt the White Sox would bite for just Iannetta and a prospect.
Unless the prospect is really good.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 2:57 PM MST up reply actions
Should have read this before I responded below
Sorry CentralCaliRox
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 19, 2010 3:03 PM MST up reply actions
Don't be.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 3:05 PM MST up reply actions
hmm.. Name please.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 3:06 PM MST up reply actions
I think Iannetta and a prospect for Floyd and Linebrink makes sense for us
but I’m not sure Chicago would go for that.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 19, 2010 3:02 PM MST up reply actions
See, I'd do that with Stewart
Just because I think it would be easier for us to fill 3B than C at this point (since we don’t even have a backup C plan)
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
I'm much more comfortable
dealing Iannetta for Floyd.
Floyd is a perfect pitcher for the Rockies because: He’s a lot better than most people think he is… just like the bulk of the Rockies staff.
Could we deal Iannetta for Floyd and still work up a trade for Napoli?
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We would need to sign a backup catcher.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 3:05 PM MST up reply actions
McKenry?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
pfft.
He’s not going to cut it.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 3:07 PM MST up reply actions
Are we really that down
on McKenry as a backup?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
He looked completely overmatched on offense and defense at the end of last season
Not saying he won’t get to decent backup level in the big leagues, but Rosario’s going to be up in 2012 anyway.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
He was called up in September
and never had any playing time. He basically had 1 month off before the last game of the year, and I wouldn’t expect anyone to be ready after not playing in a game situation for that long.
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JFK
I dunno
the guy’s k-rate was 62%…
But for real, how do we feel about David Ross?
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Sadly I have not heard the name
Looking at BBR he looks like a career backup, so it wouldn’t be bad for a year (assuming we keep Iannetta or have another suitable starter).
With those who don't give a damn about baseball, I can only sympathize. I do not resent them. I am even willing to concede that many of them are physically clean, good to their mothers and in favor of world peace. But while the game is on, I can't think of anything to say to them. ~Art Hill
JFK
He just is one of those dudes
low batting average, high power.
Essentially, if we would be happy with Iannetta as a backup, Ross seems like an able replacement.
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--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I like Ross as a backup unlikely to steal CDI's job
who can spell Iannetta. I do worry about not having a spanish speaking catcher on the team. It seems that with so many young latin pitchers on the team it would pay to have a fluent vet out there
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
He's under contract through 2012 as the Braves' backup
he’s pretty much the archetypal backup catcher
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ah crap is he?
cots has him as a free agent. Oh well…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
cots has him as signed through 2012
that’s where i got the info from….
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he signed the extension after the potential FA list was made on the site. smart Braves.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
yep
his 9 PA told me that he was not ready and never will be. (I do want to see what he can do with some more playing time, especially in ST against some of the better pitchers early in the games)
With those who don't give a damn about baseball, I can only sympathize. I do not resent them. I am even willing to concede that many of them are physically clean, good to their mothers and in favor of world peace. But while the game is on, I can't think of anything to say to them. ~Art Hill
JFK
hah was he that bad?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
wait I think you were sarcastic
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
actually, Im not sure
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
check
With those who don't give a damn about baseball, I can only sympathize. I do not resent them. I am even willing to concede that many of them are physically clean, good to their mothers and in favor of world peace. But while the game is on, I can't think of anything to say to them. ~Art Hill
JFK
yesssssssssssss
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I would like to see him in A games in ST
But he really strikes me as Kirt Manwaring redux.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
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A backup replacement level + catcher, please :-)
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
I wouldn't trade CDI now, unless we're prepared to offer Yorvit 2 years/$7m
Once we let Olivo go, we hitched our cart to CDI for 2011, for good or ill.
I’m not necessarily averse to Stewart for Floyd, however. I’d even toss in a lesser prospect if they want to dump Linebrink’s salary.
But we have zero need for Teahen, and have no motivation to take the Sox’ salary dump in that regard.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
Our catcher situation
Sign Yorvit for two years, trade CDI (because he has value), McKenry backup in 2011, Rosario backup in 2012, starter from 2013-2020 or infinity and beyond
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
Really hard for me to get behind this.
Yeah, my username says it all.
by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 3:09 PM MST up reply actions
Oh, I'm not necessarily really behind it either
But if you’re planning on trying to use CDI in a trade for a major upgrade elsewhere, then it’s a must (because we’re not getting a VMart for five years, and Napoli isn’t necessarily even really available)
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
Elsewhere.. Such as a SP or RH bat?
Yeah, my username says it all.
by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 3:13 PM MST up reply actions
Exactly
For instance, if somehow, CDI were in a package that were to get us Greinke, Upton, Floyd, something that really fills needs that are going to be very expensive to fill otherwise.
In that circumstance, I’m okay with turning around and signing Yorvit.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
So am I.
Definitely agreed.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 3:16 PM MST up reply actions
Anyone know if
kelly shoppach or David Ross are available?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I think
David Ross is available. I’d probably take a flyer on him.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Agree - McKenry ain't got it
Napoli or V-Mart would help the team considerably. Then we could either use up CDI in a trade or keep him as the back up.
by Real Perspective on Nov 19, 2010 3:39 PM MST up reply actions
Honestly, we'd be selling really low on Iannetta to trade him at this point.
Of course, if he has another year of batting sub-.200, he’ll lose even more value, but I honestly feel like we’d get much more out of giving him consistent playing time than we would from trading him.
Here's a name
Magglio Ordonez. Just reported today he’s going to be healthy. Old (38) but can still rake (300 last year). Expected to sign for 2 years at about 8-10 per. And he’s Venezuelan!
by BostonTransplant on Nov 19, 2010 3:14 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Why not?
Dude’s a better hitter than Wilingham ever would be in his dreams … RH. Kills lefties. Plugs right in in RF. What am I missing?
by BostonTransplant on Nov 19, 2010 3:19 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
With a player like Ordonez
you usually end up paying for what he’s done in the past rather than what he will do during the contract.
133 more days until the Rockies Home Opener!!!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 19, 2010 3:22 PM MST up reply actions
Well said
He’s been a very nice player in his career. He’s 38, in the post roids era. His best days are long behind him.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
You never know
Some thought Giambi was finshed, but he still seems viable — maybe not great but viable.
by Real Perspective on Nov 19, 2010 3:44 PM MST up reply actions
Viable, yes
And Magglio is viable. Not at $8-10m. Remember, we paid Giambi like $1m.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
Ok Ok
Cool. Not what we need right now.
by Real Perspective on Nov 19, 2010 3:56 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, if we got Magglio for $1m, I'd be like SIGN HIM NOW PLZ
Unfortunately, that’s not in the cards.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up going back to the A’s for like $5-6m, or goes to Texas as DH when they don’t resign Vlad. Those would actually be good fits for him.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
Oh so he MUST work well with CarGo right?
:P
I’d pass as well.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 3:17 PM MST up reply actions
meh
not a bad option but he probably wants to stay in the AL, and he might just be a DH (I don’t know if he can field still)
With those who don't give a damn about baseball, I can only sympathize. I do not resent them. I am even willing to concede that many of them are physically clean, good to their mothers and in favor of world peace. But while the game is on, I can't think of anything to say to them. ~Art Hill
JFK
He's played RF, because the Tigers have like five DHs
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
Of course he's "said" to be healthy
He’s a Boras client, derberder.
He’s a DH in waiting, and his power numbers have been dropping.
He’s not the absolute worst signing we could make, but I wouldn’t have wanted to sign Gary Sheffield at 38, either.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
The Rockies have protected Wilin Rosario, Jordan Pacheco, Bruce Billings, Casey Weathers and Cory Riordan from the Rule 5 Draft.
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Keith Weiser would be the closest.
But he was still a maybe in terms of protection, along with Riordan. The Big 4 were Rosario, Pacheco, Billings and Weathers, and they were all added to the roster.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 19, 2010 3:29 PM MST up reply actions
Excellent
133 more days until the Rockies Home Opener!!!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 19, 2010 3:31 PM MST up reply actions
Option years starting for each of these
good to know
With those who don't give a damn about baseball, I can only sympathize. I do not resent them. I am even willing to concede that many of them are physically clean, good to their mothers and in favor of world peace. But while the game is on, I can't think of anything to say to them. ~Art Hill
JFK
Is it crazy to anyone else that Upton and Grienke are
both being shopped? They are the faces of their franchise or at least their best players and are signed to under market deals.
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
And because
they are signed to excellent contracts any trade would bring back huge rewards to the current team, both in the measures of prospects and MLB ready players.
With those who don't give a damn about baseball, I can only sympathize. I do not resent them. I am even willing to concede that many of them are physically clean, good to their mothers and in favor of world peace. But while the game is on, I can't think of anything to say to them. ~Art Hill
JFK
Sharp trades
Not so crazy if you understand the motive — but it sure would be great the the Rox landed one of ’em.
by Real Perspective on Nov 19, 2010 3:43 PM MST up reply actions
It is kind of funny
only because I feel like at some point, once a player is so good, the trade packages don’t work out. I’m thinking Johan Santana and Miguel Cabrera where the Twins and the Marlins didn’t get too much for those guys. Of course there’s always the Teixeira trade…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
exactly like for every Mark Mulder or Dan Haren
there is several Johan, or Miggy type trades but in those last two they were salary dumps Upton is signed for 5 years and coming off of a average or even down year
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
At the time wasn't the Miggy trade thought to have been pretty fair
Both prospects were highly touted. I remember the Johan one immediately seemed “meh” but I remember there being a good response to what Florida got back for Miggy. Hindsight says it ended up being bad but at the time
I agree that the Miggy trade was widely seen as win for the marlins
the one that got me at the time, and has proven out was giving up Jair Jurjens to get Renteria from ATL
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
yea that's a good point
maybe its just me wanting to bring up the crappy Johan trade. But who was it, Maybin and Miller the Tigers sent? Maybe that’s why the DBacks are gunning for a little more big league talent…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
The fact that it didn't turn out is the point though
why shop inexpensive proven talent for inexpensive unproven talent.
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Honestly, I think trading Upton is smart
by the DBacks. But I would just be extremely careful and only try to deal with a team that has a loaded farm system. Not just the best prospects from any team because that team could have crap prospects. The Dbacks aren’t going to be too competitive in the next two or three years with Webb and Haren gone and stuff.
If they can move some big pieces as well as build what prospects they have, they could be pretty powerful in 2013 or so
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
why can't they compete?
a bounce back by Reynolds, Upton, similar seasons from Drew, Johnson, Young and Montero and Allen stepping up make them a solid lineup. Hudson, Kennedy and Saunders are a decent start on a rotation and the bullpen market is flooded this year. Not saying they are favorites but it isn’t like they are the pirates
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Thats true
but it does seem like they’re banking on a lot to go right. Personally, I don’t think the current team is good enough to be that strong – they probably can compete but more often that’s just making noise rather than reaching the playoffs (kind of like us this past year). I might try to deal an asset now and get a lot so that in two years, they’re stronger all around – honestly Reynolds would be a more prudent sell though he’d bring back far less.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Also, to your point
if there’s any team that seems likely to rebound in a big way, its the dbacks. Their bullpen cost them so much this year and they underperformed in a big way. So maybe I underestimated them in my previous comment.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Paulino talks about joining Rockies
For some reason Carlos Gonzales being a very “classy batter” cracks me up. I wonder if that’s a translation issue? Otherwise, I’m not sure I know how one is a “classy batter.”
Anyway, sounds like he’s pretty happy with things.
I would be happy to get the hell out of Houston in the summer as well.
Is it 2011 yet?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 19, 2010 3:47 PM MST up reply actions
And humid. Wow is it humid.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
Speaking of Venezuelan Rockies, or those in their system,
Has anybody else noticed how good Rafael Ortega’s doing in the VWL? It’s only 34 plate appearances in 29 games, but he’s batting .310/.412/.448 thus far. He’s got the best OPS on his team, which he’s the youngest player on by two years. I know Baseball America isn’t as keen on him as I am, but he’s been doing really fantastic against much more advanced competition.
I did see a tweet by @RealRockies about it, but I haven't checked into it more
I’m frankly not surprised. Ortega seems like a genuinely good guy too, from what I’ve heard.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 19, 2010 6:18 PM MST up reply actions
I like the OBP
how old is this guy?
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--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
He turns
20 on May 15.
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Thoughts about trading within the division
If you are trading away current talent to be better in a couple seasons; wouldn’t you want to take another division mate’s talent at that level. I would think it would dimish their system and thus help you in the long run.
Not sure if the logic fits, will re-check my figures.
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Hey, Arizona Fall League Championship game will be on MLB Network on Saturday at
3PM ET/12 PT
Scottsdale Scorpions v Peoria Javelinos
The Scorpions feature several Rockies players and Bryce Harper.
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this could really work out as a showcase for Bryce he is very underrated
and maybe with some exposure the rest of the country will come to know who he is!!!
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Is this sarchasm?
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They also have a young pitching prospect in Washington
his name is Stephen Strasburg he is also very good.
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Hmm...I think I heard something about this person
Didn’t he come out of San Diego or something.?
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no he has a 300/400/500 slash line in the AFL so far
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
even scarier
.343/.410/.629
Which is unbelievable. The kids only 18.
by black_knight101 on Nov 19, 2010 5:54 PM MST up reply actions
Interesting part...
he is only playing on Wednesdays and Saturdays in the AFL (according to MLB Network)
he should be entering his senior year of High School not bad
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Ran the numbers on Bill James wOBA and PA projections and converted it to WAR.
IMO Bill James projections are really generous, but maybe this will give us a good idea of where the team is at for 2011.
2011 Rockies WAR Projections
I used the 2011 Bill James Projections as listed on Fangraphs, this “wOBA to WAR Conversion Chart”, and scaled the RAR to the projected number of plate appearances. I did this for every position player that had a projection. I also assumed league-average defense (no way am I going to make up UZR/TZ projections…).
Some Observations:
First, the projections still have room for ~1200 PA to be spread around, pretty much the equivalent to two full-time players. Most notably there is room for more 1B and C PA’s.
Second, I highly doubt we will have a team-average .355 wOBA, which also calls every other value into question. But I think that the overestimate in wOBA and RAR/700 is more than canceled out by the remaining 1200 PA’s, leaving the total WAR about the same (Honestly I’m not positive, so could someone clarify if that’s an accurate claim?).
Third, this reinforces the obvious: 2B is a hole. The combined projection for 2B WAR is at bench-level. Dan Uggla vs. everyone else would have been worth 3+ wins.
Fourth, this only really matters if you have faith in a CDI/Helton bounceback like Bill James does. They are projected at a combined 4 wins better than last year, which is clearly a huge difference. If they are really poor again, there goes half of the projected improvement.
Fifth, the other half of the improvement comes from Dex and Stewart. They are projected at a combined 3.7 wins better than last year. They both have shown flashes of putting it together, so I wouldn’t be surprised if this becomes the case.
It seems as though an optimal distribution of PA’s would be to:
1. (Obviously) max out Tulo + CarGo PA’s
2. Give Stewart 3B
3. Give Fowler CF
4. Either platoon Smith and Spilly or just give it to Smith (if he can re-learn how to hit lefties)
5. Hit 2B 9th every time
6. Get a C/1B to use up the extra PA’s
Overall, I figure that our offense will be MUCH improved by simply letting our young guys improve. 27.8 offensive WAR would be great.
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
I agree on all 6 points.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 19, 2010 5:35 PM MST up reply actions
Nice to know - Spilly?
Nice report. Spilly used to have some good numbers, any chance he can get back up there?
by Real Perspective on Nov 19, 2010 5:41 PM MST up reply actions
His projected .342 wOBA is about at his career mark
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 19, 2010 6:20 PM MST up reply actions
The Rangers just signed Barret Loux
the 2010 1st round pick of the Diamondbacks
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 19, 2010 6:31 PM MST reply actions
lol
Was it an above-slot pick that they were unwilling to pay above-slot money for? I don’t quite remember the circumstances.
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
He failed a physical for both his shoulder and elbow
Speculation was perhaps Tommy John and labrum surgeries would be needed
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 19, 2010 6:45 PM MST up reply actions
Wow.
You’d think they would ask for one of those BEFORE the draft. Unless that isn’t allowed.
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
I can understand instantly why it wouldn't be allowed (and shouldn't)
Amateurs pre draft are not at all subject to MLB’s labor agreement, and they will never be, prior to the draft, because they didn’t get to participate in the collective bargaining of that agreement.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
smart move by AZ now they have two top ten picks
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
In a better draft
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