Why JDLR isn't good enough for the rotation.
The top 4 starting pitchers for the Rockies last season didn't even include Jorge de la Rosa, it was Ubaldo, Hammel, Chacin and Jeff Francis. DLR is too expensive to keep as the 5th starter for the Rockies next season. The Rockies are possibly going to receive two first round draft picks for the third straight season. The money the Rockies save by not signing a 5th starter can be used to further stockpile the Rockies already deep minor leagues.
Rockies pitchers as ranked by Fangraphs WAR
| WAR | 2010 |
| Ubaldo | 6.3 |
| Hammel | 3.7 |
| Chacin | 3.0 |
| Francis | 1.9 |
| JDLR | 1.7 |
| Cook | 1.5 |
| Rogers | 1.4 |
A look at the other members of the Rockies rotation and comparison to DLR:
Jason Hammel is the true number 2 in the rotation. After being claimed from the Rays refuse pile in 2008 he has risen through the ranks of Rockies starters while others have fallen away. Hammel’s 30 starts each season over the past two years is something DLR failed to accomplish. At 28 years of age Hammel may also be the veteran in the lineup depending on the return of Cook or other Free Agents.
Jhoulys Chacin is the new golden boy. He has an amazing K/9 (9.16) and a low HR rate (0.67 HR/9). He’ll probably have a FSNRM commercial made with him as it’s star.
Jeff Francis had nearly identical numbers in 2010. His SO/BB were nearly a point higher because even though he doesn’t strike out nearly as many people (DLR 8.4, Francis 5.8) he walked fewer than half as many batters (DLR 4.1, JF 2.0).
Aaron Cook is the same Aaron we’ve seen for the past three years, he enduces groundball and replicates his career averages every season. This year however, his walks increased (3.67 BB/9 in 09, 2.75 Career) and he endured the second highest BABIP (.313) of his career. The great part about Aaron is he’s plain vanilla and you can count on him to complete at least 23 starts and induce double-plays.
In his short career Esmil Rogers has a higher strikeout rate (K/9: Rogers 8.17, DLR 7.98) and a lower walk rate (BB/9: 3.32, 4.55). He also has shown a penchant for getting more groundballs out of hitters (GB%: Rogers 52.3, DLR 45.1). DLR has a longer history of performance which makes Rogers stats tougher to project, but when we compare similar points in their history DLR wasn’t even close to the pitcher he is now and Rogers can improve to if given the chance.
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but, but...
HIP HIP!!!!!
JORGE!!!!!!!!!!!
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 24, 2010 12:55 PM MST reply actions
Point-by-point
First of all, Fangraphs WAR shouldn’t be the only thing to look at when determining rotation candidates. You accounted for this. Also remember that DLR’s WAR is lower given injury time. For the sake of discussion, I’m gonna cite Statcorner WAR, which is a tRA based WAR (which directly accounts for batted ball data, rather than indirectly as per FIP).
The Rockies rotation ranks as follows:
Ubaldo: 6.4
Hammel: 3.5
Chacin: 2.3
DLR: 1.7
Francis: 1.7
Cook: 1.3
Smith: 0.9
Rogers: 0.8
So not too far off of Fangraphs, the conclusion remains somewhat the same. Remember that in his 2 years with the Rockies, he has in fact made at least 27 starts in both healthy years. In 2008, he made 4 AAA starts with the Omaha Royals (AAA) before coming to Colorado, where he made 23 starts and pitched 5 games in relief, and a lot of that was the Rockies still feeling out DLR. In 2009, we saw 32 starts. Based on his IP/start, DLR would’ve made 30 starts in 2010 with a full healthy season, accumulated 2.7 WAR. Not as good as his 2009 numbers (3.7 fWAR, 4.1 sWAR), but far from terrible.
Speaking to the injury, it’s a question mark in my mind. There’s no telling if it’s a lingering type of injury or what. After coming off of the DL, his first 2 starts were godawful, but after those two, DLR only turned in 2 starts where he pitched fewer than 6 innings and only 1 start where he allowed more than 3 runs. During those 14 starts, DLR posted a 3.56 ERA, striking out 81 to 36 BB, and allowed a .700 OPS. Arbitrary Endpoints, I know, but reevaluating after that injury is kind of important.
The problem with Aaron Cook being “the same” over the past 3 years is that the increase in his BB9 is making him far less effective. For a guy who doesn’t get outs via the strikeout and relies on defense on balls in play to get outs for him, he simply cannot afford more baserunners. A lot of 2010’s struggles for Cook were BABIP related, but the man just can’t stay healthy either. Cook has turned in over 160 innings just once since 2008. In fact, he’s only done it 3 times in his career (and one of those times was 166 innings). DLR is good for 23 starts a season as well, and of a higher quality than Cook, likely. Cook’s career ~4.8 tRA isn’t terribly exciting, and DLR’s low-4’s tRA suggests that those 180ish innings that DLR would turn in would be that much more valuable.
I don’t really trust Rogers’ career K9 compared to DLR’s. DLR has pitched like a completely different pitcher in the 400+ innings he’s pitched in Colorado, and I strongly doubt he’s just going to spontaneously revert to his Kansas City numbers. Rogers has never shown a strikeout rate as high as he showed in 2010, or even the conglomerate of 2009 and 2010 (7.1 career MiLB K9, 7.3 AAA).
Francis is an even further wild card. He’s never showed a BB9 as low as he did in 2010, and I really don’t think he’s going to repeat his 3.88 FIP (3.94 xFIP). Coming off of injury, especially having not pitched for all of 2009 and the first month and a half of 2010, it’s almost as if batters were having to rediscover Francis, which might have led to the low BB9.
Seeing how Chacin’s a lock for the rotation, as is Hammel, there’s not really much to say about them.
Basically, I would happily take DLR’s numbers over what I’d expect from Cook, Rogers, or Francis.
You have to watch out for sample size issues when trying to evaluate Francis/Rogers. I’d trust Francis’ career line and some sort of major-league equivalency of Rogers’ minor league numbers. Neither really put either pitcher over DLR.
why not considering trading for a starter or 2?
grienke+felix hernandez, if the trades destroy the farm system so bad? then whats that say about the teams drafting?
That says the team is trading 4 or 5 young stars for every 1 they receive in return..
plus they would be overpaying for these stars when their younger players are paid a discount. That’s just poor business.
@charliedrysdale
Jorge is too expensive to be a #4..
2010 was the second season Jorge had injury problems, his untimely groin may have cost the team a division title in 2009. His contract could make him the highest paid player on the team in 2011. According to Cot’s Contracts Helton will earn $10.6m and Aaron Cook will be earning $9.25m.
While he has the potential to be a 2 in the rotation, the reality is that he is too inconsistent to stay there. Hammel is a consistent 30 game starter who has improved his K/9 over the past 3 years and he’s 2 years younger than DLR. It was a tragedy Chacin didn’t stay in the rotation last season and has the potential to become the #2 starter.
@charliedrysdale

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