Friday Rockpile: Dotel, Lansford, Herrera, Post-Thanksgiving Doldrums
by Greg Stanwood on Nov 26, 2010 7:00 AM MST
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PrintWelcome back to Purple Row, after what I hope was a lovely holiday for most of you.
Writing an article about the previous day's news, when said previous day was a day where nobody could care less about reading (or reporting) news is difficult. All I have in front of me is a semi-significant Tracy Ringolsby article from Inside the Rockies, and my own imagination.
Ringolsby touches on three points ("strikes"): arbitration offers to Jorge De La Rosa and Octavio Dotel, the hiring of Carney Lansford, and the second-base battle. Of Dotel, Mr. Ringolsby says this:
"Dotel is a Type B free agent. To offer him arbitration, the Rockies had to have an agreement he won’t re-sign."
Now, this statement is a little vague. I'm certain that teams and Type B free agents do not have to have an agreement in place at the time of the offering, so I think that Ringolsby is trying to express that it seems almost certain to him that the low priority of Dotel as a Type B suggests that the only reason the Rockies would offer him arbitration in this particular situation implies a pre-existing agreement for a decline. We saw the Yankees do this with Javier Vazquez, so it is not out of the question, and judging by the mild but suggestive fear that Dotel may accept the offer, I'm sure most of you are pleased at this possibility as well.
Reaction to the other two points after the jump. Also:
We keep hearing the same three names brought up when discussing the hiring of Carney Lansford to replace Don Baylor in the hitting coach position: Ian Stewart, Chris Iannetta, Seth Smith. All three have worked with Lansford in the minors, all three have yet to reach their potential and a big year from all (any) of them would be a great step in the right direction to a superior 2011 season.
Can Lansford make a noticeable difference? I'd say the possibility is there, particularly if he had a positive relationship[ specifically with these three players. But I still maintain belief that the control these coaches have over their players is exaggerated at best, and at worst, next to nil. Blame on poor hitting performance can easily be laid at the feet of a coach who gives bad advice, but advice only goes so far. A successful team is not necessarily related at all to good coaching, and it is therefore completely possible for a coach to say and do all the right things, but for his players to fail him. From what little I know of Lansford's style, I don't expect a significant difference solely from his presence, and if Stewart, Iannetta and Smith surge in 2011, I'll likely be more proud of them than of our hitting coach.
Finally, second base. Ringolsby suggests that it is not Eric Young Jr. in the lead to replace Clint Barmes for the bulk of second base playing time, but rather Jonathan Herrera. Personally, I would prefer both Chris Nelson and Young to Herrera as a starting position player, but if Herrera earns the spot out of the Spring, I may reconsider. I just don't want the spot to be handed to anyone. We must remember that all three of these players have the ability to be optioned without consent or waiver action: Young and Nelson have not been on the roster long enough to use all of theirs, and Herrera gets an extra one due to last year's option not counting for the full 20 days required to make the assignment official. It's nice to have a roster battle where there are absolutely no excuses about who should earn the spot than tools and performance in the Spring.
In other news, Mark Strittmatter, drafted in the Rockies' very first organizational draft and bullpen catcher for the past six seasons, will be leaving us to join Clint Hurdle with the Pirates. Story via Jack Etkin, also of Inside the Rockies. Yet another catching spot open for the Rockies, in a sense.
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The Pirates released Dinesh Patel, one of two the javelin throwing Indian reality show winner. He allowed 9 runs in the last two summers….in 13.1 IP.
The Yankees have offered Cliff Lee 6-years $140mil……which is LESS than what Derek Jeter is asking for.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 26, 2010 8:02 AM MST reply actions
Have any quaterbacks switched to become baseball pitchers
At a relatively high level? Because they have strength, accuracy and a strong tactical awareness, and perhaps if they suffered an injury that compromised their football career but not their baseball one…
Not likely
I would think once they played in the NFL they would have a hard adjustment to MLB. I mean having to play six or seven games a week would be unthinkable. And throwing multiple times to only one guy at a time — wow that would be hard to do!
by Real Perspective on Nov 26, 2010 11:10 AM MST up reply actions
The ARod contract is now coming back to bite the Bankees (hehehehe)
Jeter’s camp is arguing that he is worth more to New York as a franchise than ARod ever has been or will be and therefore deserves a contract that is at the very least comparable to ARod’s.
ARod is 35 right now and will be getting paid an average of $25 million per year for the next seven years until he is 42. Jeter is 36 right now and is asking for that same $25 million per year until he is 42.
If he doesn’t get it, the Yankees will have communicated to him that they value ARod more and Jeter will feel disrespected.
/Giggles at the thought of this
126 more days until the Rockies Home Opener!!!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 26, 2010 10:38 AM MST up reply actions
The best thing is that the Rangers had a choice of Cano or Benoit in the ARod trade
if they had chosen right then the Yankees would have an infield of overpaid overrated players
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Why any team would pay ANYONE $25,000,000 a season still mystifies me.
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by pedalpusher on Nov 26, 2010 10:49 AM MST up reply actions
Worth the money
A-Rod is obviously not worth the money. Neither is Jeter. But we can count on the Yankees going out and buying some over-priced talent most years, I suppose.
Help me with my memory on this, but didn’t the Rangers give A-Rod the multi-year deal, and the Yankees inherit it when they picked him up from the Rangers?
by Real Perspective on Nov 26, 2010 11:00 AM MST up reply actions
and then Arod opted out of the contract during the WS, negotiatied his own deal with Yankees afterwards
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This is what's causing all the problems now
126 more days until the Rockies Home Opener!!!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 26, 2010 11:17 AM MST up reply actions
You know, I don't have a problem with Herrera being perceived as the front runner for 2B
Nelson will just have to try harder, knowing that he has to prove himself if he wants to take top spot. So if he does become our starting second baseman, he’ll truly have earned it.
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by pedalpusher on Nov 26, 2010 10:50 AM MST up reply actions
Like Herrera
I like Jonathan. And even though Nelson is highly regarded, he has not played in that many ML games. Herrera handles a bat well, and does well on defense. He would be a lot cheaper than anything they could pick up on the FA market and will probably play as well or better, unless they go after one of the primo pups that wants a million just to show up at the park.
It would be nice to see both Nelson and Jonny have break out years this next season.
by Real Perspective on Nov 26, 2010 11:05 AM MST up reply actions
Herrera had his "breakout" last year by outperforming his minor league numbers at the MLB level
and the numbers still weren’t MLB 2B starter caliber
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the problem with Herrera is that he is what he is
Chris Nelson could very well develop into a 290/370/450 type MI which would make him a top 5 MLB second baseman if he could do it consistently. I have serious doubts that EY will ever hit for power of the 400+ SLG level at the MLB level, and I am sure Herrera won’t
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Butbut Herrera has more MLB homers than Nelson :)
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 26, 2010 11:56 AM MST up reply actions
but Herrera has never gone Sandlot to end a game
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Well ... we can see
So, I see. We are concerned about minor league numbers here. You could be right. But we woudn’t be risking much to put Jonny on 2B for a while.
I agree about EY2. He hasn’t shown the level of play one would hope for.
by Real Perspective on Nov 26, 2010 12:01 PM MST up reply actions
Herrera is an awful hitter. He should never even be considered as a starter for the Rockies.
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i just forgave o'dowd for the hawpe situation
barely i can’t believe the rays will get the picks
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
If he could be had for the right price
and would be willing to play 2b. I might go for it. He’s just been kinda crappy the past few years and its unclear if he can recapture the skill he displayed in Milwaukee…. We would probably have a sick defensive infield with Hardy, Tulo, and Stewie.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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MLBTR
Saying the Dodgers are signing Jon Garland
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
That's three free agent starters signed by the Dodgers
vs zero for the Rockies. I would have been happy if any of the three came to Colorado.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 26, 2010 1:37 PM MST up reply actions
yeah but we are still in on JDLR
he is better here than any of those three, and we can always work the trade angle
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
check it
Garland turned down contracts from the Rockies and Padres. Colorado offered him a one-year deal with an option
Not sure what the financials are, but we were players…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
That's strange
From what I’ve read, Garland’s deal with the Dodgers would be one year with a vesting option based on innings pitched. Since he’s likely to reach it barring injury, it’s almost like a two year deal. I guess.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 26, 2010 2:03 PM MST up reply actions
but he is likely to turn in another attractive looking year pitching half of his
games at the Ravine instead of at Coors
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Why would he want to live out there?
Can’t imagine anyone wanting to live in LaLa Land when they could live in Denver. The money made would go further, and the living conditions would be a lot nicer. Maybe he is going to commute from San Diego.
by Real Perspective on Nov 26, 2010 6:20 PM MST up reply actions
You don't have to live where you work
Pitching in Dodger Stadium is much better than at Coors
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 26, 2010 7:46 PM MST up reply actions
Yea
it was a 5mil deal with an 8 mil option vesting after 190innings. We could have done that. I wonder if its just because pitching in Dodger stadium is way better than at Coors…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
It was nice having Garland available
in case nothing else worked out. So its frustrating he’s gone, but I don’t think he really should have been viewed as an answer. I personally would rather have Francis.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
True that. I do fear what options are beyond the backup options. We have already burned through most of the “if de la Rosa doesn’t sign” pitchers.
by mkorpal on Nov 26, 2010 2:48 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Honestly
if that’s the case and all the options are gone, I think I try to build up the offense and roll with Esmil and hope for the best.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I don’t mind Rogers, but I have yet to see any indication that the rockies actually like him.much like nelson, he may have the most talent, but that doesn’t mean anything.
by mkorpal on Nov 26, 2010 2:52 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I really wonder
what goes on to make the team/FO/Tracy or whoever like certain players and dislike others… And it would be nice if these likes and dislikes became based more on process rather than results…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Yeah, wonder if the boys in purple are really serious about this
by Real Perspective on Nov 26, 2010 6:17 PM MST up reply actions
about what
not overpaying for underwhelming starters? probably.
by Andrew Martin on Nov 26, 2010 7:29 PM MST up reply actions
even the mediocre junk is flying off the shelf
by mkorpal on Nov 26, 2010 2:12 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
It is Black Friday
126 more days until the Rockies Home Opener!!!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 26, 2010 2:13 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
So the Dodgers 2011 rotation is pretty much set
with Kershaw, Billingsley, Kuroda, Lilly, and Garland.
126 more days until the Rockies Home Opener!!!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 26, 2010 2:12 PM MST up reply actions
that's a pretty good rotation
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Definitely
Though they had the worst offense in the division and one of the worst 6 or 7 offenses in MLB. They have yet to address that.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 26, 2010 2:35 PM MST up reply actions
With this kind of pitching they might not need an really productive offense.
I’m thinking 3-4 runs could win most games for them. Garland seems like the only “weak” link….
Dangit
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Lilly and Billingsley can be had as well
Kershaw is elite, Kuroda is underated
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
That rotation is better than their 2010 rotation
but not THAT much better. They still need a better offense to really be divisional threats. Though regression and health would help Kemp and Ethier, theoretically.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 26, 2010 2:52 PM MST up reply actions
Depending on how we finish building our rotation, it may still be the third best rotation in the division.
by mkorpal on Nov 26, 2010 2:53 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
???
seriously?
The Dodgers 1-5 rotation is very solid. Best 1-5 in the division unless you sign Lee, which is very unlikely.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 26, 2010 5:46 PM MST up reply actions
This can only be settled
via a drinking competition.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
The BEST 1-5 division?
Wrong. I guarantee the Giants 1-5 will be better than the Dodgers.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 26, 2010 5:56 PM MST up reply actions
The Giants are BY FAR better than Los Angeles as currently standing
and the Rockies have two consecutive years leading the NL in park-adjusted value. Don’t ignore Coors Field.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 26, 2010 6:06 PM MST up reply actions
how?
Lincecum>Kershaw-not for long though
Cain>Billz-but can Cain duplicate his 2010 season?
Kuroda>SAnchez
Lilly>Bum
Garland>Zito
I don’t think the Giants rotation is as good as they pitched in Sept/October….that was insane.
Kershaw is making strides and is a legit ace now…before the 2010 season, mnay thought he would regress, and instead he improved. He pitched 7 or more innings 15 of his starts, and 6+ innings in 25 of his starts.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 26, 2010 6:28 PM MST up reply actions
both the Kuroda and Lilly projections rely on their age and health
not being an issue, we really don’t know what Sanchez and Bumgarner can do as they both appear to have a lot of room left until they hit their ceiling. Ted Lilly will be 35 Kuroda 36 both numbers that point to LA having a tough time if either have injury issues the way Cook, Delarosa and Francis did in 2010 for the Rockies. The Dodgers have not real depth and I wouldn’t count on Ely to be the answer
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
pretty good rotation thank goodness they have had so many position players who have
either gotten old (Blake, Furcal, and Carroll) fallen off a cliff(Martin, Loney, Bullpen – Kuo) or were traded for crap(Santana, Abreu, Macdonald, Lambo)
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
other than Santana
Abreu, McDonald and Lambo are crap…..Furcal is still solid when healthy.
Don’t forget about Jansen in the pen….he could close in 2011.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 26, 2010 6:30 PM MST up reply actions
McDonald is crap huh?
Don’t buy into his 2.91 FIP in Pittsburgh or his 1.7 WAR season? (that was better than any Dodger starter other than Billz, Kershaw and Kuroda).
In two months, McDonald was 1.7 WAR and Ted Lilly was 1.0 WAR………….
…..
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 26, 2010 7:51 PM MST up reply actions
and Lambo is an unknown he is two years removed from top 5 status
but you never know there are plenty of Jason Werth(ouch) types out there
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
well you see the Dodgers only do the right things
so if they traded a player he must be crap.
by Andrew Martin on Nov 27, 2010 3:37 PM MST up reply actions
Also it might be a bit early to write off Abreu
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Dodgers up, Rox down
Yeah, looks like the Rox’ chances of truly competing have plumetted while a key competitor just got a lot stronger.
by Real Perspective on Nov 26, 2010 6:23 PM MST up reply actions
Funny
This was the topic I was discussing with my great uncles at Thanksgiving.
I say Nelson, but it’s gonna be real interesting come Spring Training.
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
Wait, so some members of your family don't hate the Rockies? Or was that just Tulo?
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Ha.
My siblings are the ones who give me crap about Tulo and stuff.
My grandma’s brother is one of the biggest Rockies fan I know, besides me, and the rest of our family are pretty big sports fans.
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 26, 2010 2:44 PM MST up reply actions
???
I’m wondering what DOD is thinking? If we have a subpar year because we didn’t pick anyone up. I will question whether or not, the FO or DOD cares about the future of the Rockies. We have funds to spend and are doing nothing. We have made 1 move and I don’t trust it as far as I can throw it. We need to stop sitting on our thumbs and get our butts to work. We missed VMart, Garland, and Uggla. We can’t expect to get any better with what we have. This is why they have an off season and trades and free agency. The Rox just don’t believe in participating in it. I guess we will wait until all the good ones are gone and pick up the ones down below who will sign for less money and that is exactly what we will get. Crappy players for crappy money. Damn, maybe they should invite Atkins to ST and sign Miles. Sorry folks, just ranting an opinion and already getting sick and tired of us doing nothing. I know I will hear some flack about the Atkins statement but its ok.
There is still time to do something. But the options are getting thin right now.
by mkorpal on Nov 26, 2010 3:01 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
that's just it
Do they care more about the Future of the Rockies or 2011? By not signing any Type-A free agents, we’re guaranteed more picks in the 2011 draft – especially if DLR signs elsewhere. Not what anyone wants to hear, but it’s a small positive.
Signing Miles will add nothing that Herrera/Nelson don’t already have. Miles somehow even hits for an emptier average than Herrera and doesn’t have the glove to back it up.
There’s no REAL harm in inviting Atkins as an NRI to spring training, but I just don’t see him cutting the mustard.
Trust me, I’m frustrated as well, but it’s looking like the trade market will be the way to go.
by Andrew Martin on Nov 26, 2010 3:03 PM MST up reply actions
Willingham would cost any of those guys. Floyd might, but smith or blackmon mat be able to get that done.
by mkorpal on Nov 26, 2010 3:09 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
That would be stupid. Why would the rockies trade a cost controlled outfielder for a slightly better offensive, but much more injury prone, soon to be free agent outfielder. I see Rogers as most likely to be traded for Willingham.
by mkorpal on Nov 26, 2010 3:16 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
jury is still out on Rogers, as far as I'm concerned
not nearly enough big league time to really make a solid judgment.
I can never spell the word “judgment” right the first time.
by Andrew Martin on Nov 26, 2010 3:30 PM MST up reply actions
Do you always put the 'e' in after the 'g'?
Cuz I always do.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
remember:
DGE
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 26, 2010 3:31 PM MST up reply actions
I do.
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 26, 2010 3:34 PM MST up reply actions
I think he
is more ready than everyone else we have and that he was very unlucky last season.
Whether that means he will be successful or not, I don’t know.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Personally, yes. If they could keep him in a consistent role. I think I counted something like 12 role changes for him last year. I’ll need to count it when I get home again.
by mkorpal on Nov 26, 2010 3:36 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
if I remembered that, I wouldn't always misspell it.
by Andrew Martin on Nov 26, 2010 3:35 PM MST up reply actions
That little rule works for alot of words as well.
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 26, 2010 3:36 PM MST up reply actions
wait hangon
I never miss the dge
there’s only 1 “e” in Judgment
by Andrew Martin on Nov 26, 2010 3:36 PM MST up reply actions
and a lot is two words...
With those who don't give a damn about baseball, I can only sympathize. I do not resent them. I am even willing to concede that many of them are physically clean, good to their mothers and in favor of world peace. But while the game is on, I can't think of anything to say to them. ~Art Hill
JFK
can be but sometimes a lot is too many words
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
interesting perspective
With those who don't give a damn about baseball, I can only sympathize. I do not resent them. I am even willing to concede that many of them are physically clean, good to their mothers and in favor of world peace. But while the game is on, I can't think of anything to say to them. ~Art Hill
JFK
because Smith hasn't been performing?
I dunno, I like Smith still.
by Andrew Martin on Nov 26, 2010 3:18 PM MST up reply actions
I do too. He has more trade value than Willingham, that’s for sure.
by mkorpal on Nov 26, 2010 3:21 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
think so?
Check out willingham’s wOBA graph
http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=2103&position=OF&page=8&type=full
now compare it to Smith’s
http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=7331&position=OF&page=8&type=full
Willingham’s 2009 looks a lot like Smith’s 2010. I wonder if it means anything.
by Andrew Martin on Nov 26, 2010 3:25 PM MST up reply actions
Expected price tag, proximity to free agency, and season ending knee surgery should negate a lot of the positives that Willingham had.
by mkorpal on Nov 26, 2010 3:26 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
very possible
I’m not really on either side of the bandwagon, I just want to see something happen, period.
by Andrew Martin on Nov 26, 2010 3:28 PM MST up reply actions
Brooo
making a move just to make a move is no good.
Lets just require Smith to change his last name to Willingham.
Or better yet, to Pujols and then trade him.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I know
this idleness is rough.
Just close you’re eyes and think about when you first saw on MLBTR (or wherever) that we somehow traded Barmes for Paulino. Good times..
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Carlos Lee
El Caballo and Lil Pony. Just cuz
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 26, 2010 4:27 PM MST up reply actions
That would be stupid. Why would the rockies trade a cost controlled outfielder for a slightly better offensive, but much more injury prone, soon to be free agent outfielder. I see Rogers as most likely to be traded for Willingham.
by mkorpal on Nov 26, 2010 3:16 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
and I would agree with that move more
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I believe I mentioned Rogers + a prospect for Willingham.
I think that would be a pretty good trade.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 26, 2010 3:36 PM MST up reply actions
OH MY GOD
GoRockies!!!!!!!
YOU CHANGED!
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And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 26, 2010 3:37 PM MST up reply actions
Hahaha yeah.
It’s been a while since you’ve been around eh?
Haha yes, I wanted a name that would represent my hometown’s region while also throwing in a Rockies reference. :P
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 26, 2010 3:39 PM MST up reply actions
You and I have very similar names now
We both have names that represent our reigion, include the Rockies, and have alliteration.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 27, 2010 12:15 AM MST up reply actions
Dude I totally know.
Your name definitely influenced me haha.
And yeah, exactly. I remember when I tried to change my name everybody on PR ripped me because they thought I was changing allegiance. It was pretty hilarious.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 27, 2010 12:17 AM MST up reply actions
Well you do have enemy territory covered
between central Cali in your username and attending UCLA.
I think of you, SDcat, and holly96 as our spies :-).
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 27, 2010 12:47 AM MST up reply actions
I’m not even sure I would offer the prospect. I like Willingham, but have major concerns about his health.
by mkorpal on Nov 26, 2010 3:39 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I highly doubt Rogers by himself
Gets the deal done.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 26, 2010 3:40 PM MST up reply actions
I feel people under rate Rogers and his value. He was not too long ago a top 5 prospect, has quite a live arm, and his rookie season wasn’t as bad as it was made ot to be, considering all that happened.
by mkorpal on Nov 26, 2010 3:49 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
He's pretty old for a rookie.
Doesn’t have good numbers, extremely straight fastball, very hittable, sucked in AAA. Doesn’t pass the eye test.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 26, 2010 3:51 PM MST up reply actions
Well Friedrich or Matzek
wouldn’t really screw us in our current window of competitiveness too much. Matzek is still like two seasons away. Friedrich is interesting, not sure what to make of him. This next season will be telling (and hopefully injury free)….
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
no sweat
I love Mike Leake. He beat Strasburg to the majors (which means absolutely nothing) and had a very effective, if limited, season for Cincy.
by Andrew Martin on Nov 26, 2010 3:29 PM MST up reply actions
I could be wrong
but Leake might have had it in his contract to skip the minors. While it would be nice to have such a quick decision process, there’s no way guys like Friedrich or Matzek are ready and if they went to the bigs, there would be too much to learn too quickly.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
well
I don’t remember what pitching arsenal Leake had. Strasburg isn’t a fair comparison.
Also, look at Leake’s numbers. They’re not that good. They’re only ‘good’ because he was a rookie. I’d be happier signing Francis and getting those (if not better) numbers along with a lefty.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Leake was a sinker baller
Didn’t throw all that hard. Didn’t impress me to be honest
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 26, 2010 3:40 PM MST up reply actions
Exactly.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 26, 2010 3:41 PM MST up reply actions
too soon bro
too soon.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I do not understand this comment
Lol
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 26, 2010 3:44 PM MST up reply actions
Too soon to be mentioning Jon Garland
now that we can’t have him. He was going to be the team’s savior.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
He mentioned him because Leake is like Garland.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 26, 2010 3:53 PM MST up reply actions
Lol yes.
Though I did like Garland for the Rox
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 26, 2010 3:54 PM MST up reply actions
There's a LOT of offseason left.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 26, 2010 3:08 PM MST up reply actions
BUT GARLAND IS GONE!!!!!11
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
And Uggla and VMart and and and..
Barmey :(
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 26, 2010 3:41 PM MST up reply actions
Probably Jeter, too
THIS OFFSEASON SUCKS
by Andrew Martin on Nov 26, 2010 3:42 PM MST up reply actions
Nooo
I’d pay $30 mil for that dude. You know, because he’s Tulo’s idol.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 26, 2010 3:42 PM MST up reply actions
no kidding!
Another FA target GONE, nice work OCLOWNDUDFAILPOOP
by Andrew Martin on Nov 26, 2010 3:45 PM MST up reply actions
Yep, pretty discouraging
Either DOD & Co. have something up their sleeve, or they are losing their sense of reason. Wonder if the Monforts would be willing to sell?
by Real Perspective on Nov 26, 2010 6:28 PM MST up reply actions
Because they didn't get Garland?
We don’t know how the negotiations went and as far as I know we haven’t seen any dollar figures for for what the Rockies offered. If a guy really prefers another team, there’s only so much the Rockies can do. They’re not going to overpay when there are other options.
Shared amongst many Rox fans..
It’s just pissing me off.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 27, 2010 12:11 AM MST up reply actions
In all fairness there are a lot of years of being a losing franchise to get over
and it takes a few years for the sense of impending doom to fade
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Fair.
But I’m just the type of person who sticks to one team. I wouldn’t ever change teams no matter what. But yeah, i see your point. I went through the losing seasons too ya know :P
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 27, 2010 12:19 AM MST up reply actions
Being a fan
is a bit like being from a town, or country part of your love of it comes from your anger with it for disappointing you. I am happy we have some more fair weather fans because they buy tickets and merchandise which makes the owners( a decidedly frugal bunch) spend more money on the team, plus maybe they can grow into better fans and stop doing the wave
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
how about this.
Since all we want to do is play around free agency. Why not offer a contract to Jeter. Have him play 2nd and keep Tulo at SS. Can you imagine that infield? Even though, we know that there isn’t a snowball’s chance in hell it will hapen. Just a thought.
If by cool you mean financially crippling, than yes.
by mkorpal on Nov 26, 2010 3:07 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
nonononono
Even if we could, I wouldn’t.
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 26, 2010 3:06 PM MST up reply actions
Money. You think we could top the retarded contract the yankees will give him?
by mkorpal on Nov 26, 2010 3:08 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Not really. He is kind of a d-bag. Doesn’t fit in here. And is on the decline.
by mkorpal on Nov 26, 2010 3:11 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Tulo would MAKE him fit in here
and Jeter would wear #2 because Tulo would be awestruck enough to give it up.
by Andrew Martin on Nov 26, 2010 3:13 PM MST up reply actions
Jeter wears 2 in honor of Tulo. We all know that.
by mkorpal on Nov 26, 2010 3:14 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Yes yes
and he was his favorite player growing up.
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 26, 2010 3:15 PM MST up reply actions
I won't allow it.
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 26, 2010 3:15 PM MST up reply actions
Tulo-Jeter -- no contest
Tulo would make him look bad. So unlikely he would ever want to come.
by Real Perspective on Nov 26, 2010 6:30 PM MST up reply actions
Besides money,
he’s getting older, and I don’t think it’d be worth it.
If we could get ANYONE for our infield, in a world where we could, I’d get Longoria.
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 26, 2010 3:14 PM MST up reply actions
I MIGHT take Zimmerman over Longo
Longo is incredible and I’m not suggesting otherwise. I just like Zimm more.
by Andrew Martin on Nov 26, 2010 3:19 PM MST up reply actions
I'd pitch in for Zimmerman too.
Everyone please donate to the I-Wish-We-Had-Him Fund today!
Donate now, and I’ll match any $100,000 donation!
But hurry, this offer only lasts 2 minutes.
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 26, 2010 3:23 PM MST up reply actions
Joe Morgan circa '75
make it happen DOD!!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I love it
I won’t give him the 6 trillion dollars and a majority owner’s stake in the Coors Brewery like he’d be looking for, but the idea of Jeter would be the best troll in baseball ever.
by Andrew Martin on Nov 26, 2010 3:09 PM MST up reply actions
Renck suggests Stu Cole may not be headed to Hurdle's staff after all.
PROJECT LIBRA: Depth / Transactions
"The highest form of human excellence is to question oneself and others." - Socrates
The Strittmatter news was just released yesterday.
The Stu Cole suggestion was from a few weeks ago, but as I said, now he may be staying put.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 26, 2010 3:18 PM MST up reply actions
You're gonna want to prepare yourself for an Apodaca departure as soon as his contract is over.
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The Pirates are coming! The Pirates are coming!
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 26, 2010 3:32 PM MST up reply actions
Who knows! We just might play the Pirates in the NLDS :P
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That would be sweet. As long as we beat them.
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 26, 2010 3:34 PM MST up reply actions
don't say that
dear God don’t say that
by Andrew Martin on Nov 26, 2010 3:36 PM MST up reply actions
You know it's gonna happen right? Dac and Hurdle have been velcro'd together for years now.
It’s just a trial separation. I’ll bet you dollars to donuts it happens.
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but then Dac will feel comfortable with his independence and finalize the divorce
by Andrew Martin on Nov 26, 2010 3:41 PM MST up reply actions
Nah......
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<3 Apodaca
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 26, 2010 3:46 PM MST up reply actions
I don't hate Apodaca at all...
I used to think he was a terrible coach, but I learned over the past 3 years that he’s phenomenal.
I learned my lesson with Hawpe. I have to prepare now for devastating personnel changes….
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A nice normal distribution
going on with those poll results.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Huh. Troy Renck has a twin? Had no idea.
Also, is Tracy a brother or a sister?
And apparently Rockies still like Shields and Garza, but TB is in holding mode right now.
oooohhh....Garza!!!
/drools
Great pitcher and would help our HAR
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And he's from Central Cali
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 26, 2010 3:44 PM MST up reply actions
I must say I'd LOVE LOVE LOVE to get Garza.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 26, 2010 3:44 PM MST up reply actions
Huh I did not know he was from Central Cali....cool beans
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Selma
That’s like an hour from where I’m at. Pretty cool
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 26, 2010 3:46 PM MST up reply actions
You any where near San Luis Obispo?
Cause that place is awesome
"Don't be pushed by your problems. Be led by your dreams."
Ehhh not really.
I live in LA for college, but central Cali (think Fresno-Bakersfield) is my home.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 27, 2010 12:13 AM MST up reply actions
lmao why
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 26, 2010 3:46 PM MST up reply actions
nothing good comes from california
tulo is secretly from south dakota
by Andrew Martin on Nov 26, 2010 3:47 PM MST up reply actions
I has a terrible sad now :(
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(are you self-loathing? I doubt it :P)
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this wouldn't surprise me too much
(he did go to Mines after all)
With those who don't give a damn about baseball, I can only sympathize. I do not resent them. I am even willing to concede that many of them are physically clean, good to their mothers and in favor of world peace. But while the game is on, I can't think of anything to say to them. ~Art Hill
JFK
The only problem with Garza though is that nasty spitting habbit
Spitting in general doesn’t bother me but this guy takes it to an extreme I didn’t think was humanly possible. It’s like he’s part camel.
This is how a typical sequence usually plays out when Garza is on the mound.
Garza throws strike one
/spits
Garza gets the ball back from the catcher
/spits
Garza decides he doesn’t like the ball and asks the umps for a new one
/spits
Garza throws the ball back
/spits
Garza gets the new ball back from the ump
/spits
Garza walks off the back of the mound and rubs up the new ball
/spits
Garza toes the rubber
/spits
Garza checks the runner at first
/spits
Garza gets the sign from the catcher
/spits
Garza throws over to first
/spits
Garza gets the ball back from the first baseman
/spits
Garza again gets the sign from the catcher
/spits
Garza fires strike two
/spits
The above steps are repeated in some form until the at bat is over. It it ends positively for Garza, he’ll then do this things where he spits about four times in five seconds as if he’s claiming his dominance over the batter or something. I don’t know whether to be impressed or disgusted by it.
Other than this though I really like Garza. Maybe I’ll just have to listen to all of his starts on the radio so I don’t have to see the saliva factory in action.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 27, 2010 12:36 AM MST up reply actions
So JDLR's "readjustment problem" will be replaced by Garza spittage....woot!
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you just posted like 70 words about how Garza spits
please tell me you’re not nixing the idea of Matt Garza because he spits.
by Andrew Martin on Nov 27, 2010 3:39 PM MST up reply actions
Spitters are quitters.
PROJECT LIBRA: Depth / Transactions
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 27, 2010 5:57 PM MST up reply actions
Because they rhyme.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 27, 2010 5:57 PM MST up reply actions
On no
I’d still love to have Garza. I just find his excessive spitting really annoying. The first game I saw on the new HD TV we got a couple of years ago was a Rays game that Garza started and that’s all I could notice. It’s stuck with me since.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 29, 2010 9:52 AM MST up reply actions
Tracy is a man
and looks and sounds just like Troy. Works for the Pueblo paper I believe. I turned on the radio once and heard him talking, then he was talking about Troy, and I thought he meant Tulo, because Troy Renck doesn’t talk about himself in the third person. Then he was talking about growing up with Troy, and I was even MORE confused. Renck grew up with Tulo? Then finally he divulged he was Tracy Renck, not Troy Renck. Mind blown.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 26, 2010 4:32 PM MST up reply actions
Where I am at
I see my Ideal Roster situation as follows
C CDI in 08 form please
1B Todd, hopefully near 09 form
2B EY2/Nelson earns the position and holds it
3B Stewart gives us a .270/360/.500 year for 500PA
SS Tulo does what Tulo does
RF Cargo his arm and athleti.cism does great things here
CF Dex gives us the .280/.343/.432 line he managed in the second half of 10
LF Willingham/Smith/Spilly give us platoon power and production
UT EY2/Nelson
UT Kouzmanoff/Rule 5 RH 3B/1B type
C One of Napoli/Torrealba/Barajas in that order please
SP1 Ubaldo
SP2 Chachi
SP3 Hammel
SP4 Cook
SP5 Grienke(kidding) okay one of Webb, Francis, or if JDLR resigns put him in the 2 spot
Long man Paulino
RHP Beslisle
RHP Betancourt
RHP DelCarmen
LHP Reynolds
LHP Beimel/Tankersley
CL Huston Street
Not sure how realistic but I would have liked Westbrook, Garland or Kuroda to ease my concerns about the rotation
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
my fantasy team involves Harmon Killebrew
by Andrew Martin on Nov 26, 2010 4:00 PM MST up reply actions
Give me Johnny Mize and Andres Galaraga then let them duke it out to decide
who gets to keep the nickname
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Hornsby was a butcher with the leather from what I have read
give me Musial at 1B, Joe Morgan at 2B, with Ripken at SS, George Brett at 3B and an OF of Ruth, Dimaggio, and Willams
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I think a modern glove would help a lot
Hornsby the best 2b ever!!
"Don't be pushed by your problems. Be led by your dreams."
Hornsby undoubtly has the best bat in the history of 2B
but during that time they hid their worst defenders at second, so he would have been uggla like at best
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Nine seasons of 9+ WAR
I don’t care if he fields like…. Pete Gray
"Don't be pushed by your problems. Be led by your dreams."
that is fair but I would probably put him at 1B
it isn’t like that .424/.507/.696 loses it’s value there
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
honestly, I'll take Tulo over Ripken - yes I said it.
by Andrew Martin on Nov 27, 2010 3:39 PM MST up reply actions
not sure what ripken looked like in his prime
but I can’t imagine he had a stronger arm
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I might shift Dexter's production
and lower the batting average to .270 and raise the OBP to .355 as my realistic/ideal line for him. Oh and maybe he’d steal some friggin’ bases in 2011 too.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
bill james has him at .285/.373/.437 which would make me
ecstatic as long as he continued playing great D and stole some bases
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Hah,
that line is incredibly close to what I think his best season could look like. If he turned in that type of a season and stole 30-40 bags, it would be so phenomenal. I feel like it’s been a while since we’ve sported a leadoff hitter with that high an OBP.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I think his ceiling could be a lot higher than that
don’t forget that at Fowler’s age Matt Holliday was posting a massive split as well.
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I guess I have a hard time seeing him
post seasons better than that consistently, but yea, I probably shouldn’t have said his best season – which could be much better than that line.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
one thing that was a little concerning I should add
is that as he hit for a higher average in the second half of this season, his walk rate dropped. If this persists, it will be somewhat of a lateral move skillset-wise…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
He has a good to great BB% at every level I would like him and Iannetta
to work on getting the ball in play, I love their discipline but would like to see two guys with two minor league seasons apiece of .330+ batting averages swing away a little bit
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
He does have a historically awesome bb rate
but if he’s making adjustments, he may sacrifice some bb’s for hits so his overall OBP might not change too much even if he did raise his average 15 points. I wouldn’t be surprised, given his strong walk rate in the past, if he eventually raises his walk rate with his new approach (if there is in fact a new approach at all) – but that just may take time and if it takes two seasons for him to hit .280 with a 12% walk rate, well that’s the bulk of our current contention window as well as almost all of his time here in CO barring an extension…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
He won't extend he is a boras client
that said I would not be surprised in the least if he hit 300/370/450 next year
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Oh man
that’d be sick. Let’s hope that comes true and he does it for ~700 plate appearances.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Not an exciting roster
Thanks for putting this up there. This team roster will probably not win more than 80 games, unless there is someone else we don’t know about. Same ole guys, same ole results. I am thnking about giving away my Rockies cap.
by Real Perspective on Nov 26, 2010 6:35 PM MST up reply actions
is there a dislike button for comments?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I don't see the same things you see from that roster.
I think Stewart, Fowler, Iannetta, and Smith (and Nelson if he wins the job) could all be poised to have very successful years if given consistent playing time. Obviously its not guaranteed that they will, but if it comes down to it I’d rather hope that our extremely promising organizational talent fulfills more of its massive potential than spend a ton of money for an overpriced bat in a FA market gone mad.
I’m not sure where you get that that roster will win ~80 games when the same talent won 83 while a large number of the non-Tulo and CarGo bats severely underperformed. I’m not saying I want to do nothing and just go into Spring Training with our current talent, but if we have to I think we’re only a couple of potential-fulfilling years from two of Ian, Dex, Seth, or CDI away from contending for a division crown.
That roster minus decent seasons from Iannetta, Fowler, 2B and Stewie won
were a few games out in September, that was with Helton, Hawpe, and Barmes falling off a cliff. This team has the leagues best hitters at the two hardest defensive positions CF(okay he plays the corners) and SS we have good if not potentially great in house options at 2B, 3B, C, and 22 year old who arguably turned in one of the five best pitching performances by a Rockies SP, joining a 26 year old who just turned in the best season in franchise history there is plenty to be psyched about.
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I would explain,
But it’s just not worth it.
I'm GoRockies!! everybody :P
by CentralCaliRox on Nov 27, 2010 12:14 AM MST up reply actions
By the way
Go ahead and give away the Rox cap. I’m seriously sick and tired of the fair weather fans.
I'm GoRockies!! everybody :P
by CentralCaliRox on Nov 27, 2010 12:15 AM MST up reply actions
The ultimate irony
is the username “Real Perspective”
by Andrew Martin on Nov 27, 2010 3:42 PM MST up reply actions
HFS!! someone on the interwebs first identified then correctly used the term "irony"
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Just think! Only 3 more weeks until MLB Network airs the 1960 7th game of Pirates vs Yankees!
I would like to suggest a game thread for that one :)
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