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2010 Rockies Player Review: Jhoulys Chacin, Venezuelan Man of Mystery

Jhoulys Chacin is truly an unknown commodity.  After posting a 3.0 WAR season and leading all NL rookies in strikeouts, he failed to earn even one Rookie of the Year vote.  In fact, if you ask anyone outside of Colorado who the best rookie year for a pitcher in Rockies history, you're likely to get several Jason Jennings answers.  He did actually win the Rookie of the Year award, after all.  Chacin easily outpaced Jennings, as expertly displayed by Bryan Kilpatrick last month.  But I'm not just talking about the national spotlight.  

He tossed up a 3.28 ERA in 21 starts, which would have easily broken Ubaldo Jimenez' franchise record  set in 2009 for starters with 20+ starts, had Jimenez not reset that record this season.  Yet despite that relatively unknown fact, I am not just talking about his "unknown" status with Rockies fans either.

No, the 22-year-old Venezuelan is also an unknown commodity to the Rockies and the entirety of the baseball world.   Chacin debuted in Rookie-ball Casper in just 2007 and was rated as just a "C+" prospect by John Sickels.  Despite dominating in lower levels of the minors, he did so with "excellent command....as well as plus control" as written by ESPN's Keith Law last offseason.

W-LGGSCGSHOSVBSIPHRERHRBBKERAWHIP
2010 - Jhoulys Chacin 9-11 28 21 0 0 0 0 137.1 114 64 50 10 61 138 3.28 1.27

Chacin never walked more than 8.1% of batters faced in the minors until 2009, when he debuted at the big club.  Suddenly, his control has waned, as he has walked more than he ever did in the minors.  That isn't altogether unusual, but the corresponding change is. In his 2009 cameo, he struck out 10.64 per 9IP in a small sample size, and held that remarkably high in 2009 by striking out more than one batter per inning in the majors.  Neither Ubaldo Jimenez nor Justin Verlander managed that strikeout rate.  Pitchers, especially 22-year-old rookies, don't often see their strikeout rate grow so strongly when suddenly facing major league competition.

That isn't all.  In addition to his fantastic control, Chacin was known as an elite groundballer.  At every stop in the minors, his groundball rate was over 60%, sans his stop in Tulsa with a still-strong 55%.  But once Chacin arrived in the big leagues, that plummeted to a quite average 46.6% (lower than even Jeff Francis in 2010).  

So Jhoulys Chacin has magically transformed from an elite control and command groundball machine to a bit of a wild strikeout machine.  Strange.  He is a completely different pitcher than we thought he was.  Fans vilified the front office for babying Chacin in the minors while Greg Smith and company gave away games early in the year, but that is an easy criticism to launch after seeing his major league success.  The truth is, it is pretty foolish to suggest the Rockies knew such a transformation would take place.

Oh, and that isn't all that has changed for the 22-year-old Venezuelan.

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YO-LEESE was lauded for fastball command in scouting reports, and Baseball America named Chacin as having the best changeup in the Rockies organization last offseason.  Keith Law echoed the assessment, calling his change-up his plus pitch, while "his main area for improvement is the curveball."

Fangraphs has "pitch values," which essentially grade the efficacy of every pitcher's pitches based on the results of every pitch.  These results are then set into "runs saved above average" and "runs saved above average per 100 pitches thrown."  While these numbers are abstract, a bit specious, not necessarily sustainable and limited in terms of gauging pitches used as "set-up pitches," it gives us at least a starting point for pitchers' strengths.  

We were told Chacin's strengths were the changeup and fastball with his weaknesses being breaking stuff.  Naturally, that isn't at all what Chacin posted in 2010.  Both his fastball and changeup actually graded out at slightly below average, while his breaking stuff was downright exceptional.

The following table shows Fangraphs' pitch value rankings of Chacin's breaking pitches and his rank against all MLB pitchers with 130+IP.

Pitch Stat Name Unit MLB Rank
Slider wSL 12.1 Runs Saved above Average    14th
Curveball wCB 9.4 Runs Saved above Average per 100 pitches    7th
Slider wSL/C 3.75 Runs Saved above Average    4th
Curveball wCB/C 2.93 Runs Saved above Average per 100 pitches    2nd

Only New York's Mike Pelfrey bettered Chacin in terms of runs saved per curveballs thrown.  As for the slider, only Scott Feldman, Mark Buehrle and Brian Duensing were better.  And despite much lower playing time, he still ranked amongst MLB's best overall.

Does this mean Chacin suddenly has elite breaking stuff?  Not likely.  This research by Sky Andrecheck from this March suggests there is a large influence of chance/luck in Fangraphs' pitch values.  But even taking this into account, his curve and slider would still be the most effective pitches in his arsenal.  This is yet another part of Chacin's 2010 game that flies in the face of what we knew him to be in the minor leagues, making him truly an unknown commodity for everyone, including the team he earns his paycheck from.

Grade: A.  The Rockies could not have dreamed to get more production from their Venezuelan prodigy.

 

2011 Outlook

What does all of this mean?  Jhoulys Chacin has taken a remarkable step forward every season since coming to the United States in 2007.  Even a cautiously optimistic fan is tempted to forecast yet another large step forward for him, resulting in a 4-5 WAR season at just age 23.  Just dropping his walks to minor league levels would mean a big step forward.  That kind of step up would be like adding a very effective Type A starter in free agency.

However, his 2010 season could have the opposite effect.  He may have capitalized on teams operating on scouting reports that led them in the exact opposite direction of the correct approach.  While opposing teams (specifically the Dodgers) did not particularly hit him any better after seeing him once, it is certainly possible the scouting report will get out.  That breaking stuff won't be a surprise anymore, and that could have a negative impact on his strikeout rate, resulting perhaps in a negative effect to his confidence

He has proven to be a quick learner though, and a 3.0 WAR season should be very much in his reach in 2011.  Converting Bill James' projections yields right around 3.0 WAR.  I will personally choose to expect that range and be pleasantly surprised when he takes the world by storm and garners a few Cy Young votes.

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Good stuff ATF

his K rate will certainly decline, but I still expect him to get his fair share next season. That slider in the dirt is plain filthy.

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2010 12:34 PM MST reply actions  

how much better will his breaking stuff be now that he doesn't have to fear

Olivo letting anything in the dirt get by him

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2010 1:12 PM MST reply actions  

Well, two of his most dominant outings of the year

came with Paul Phillips behind the plate. Last I checked, nobody really considered Paul to be a vacuum cleaner back there.

by Rockpile Interloper on Nov 29, 2010 2:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Phillips hasn't led the league in passed balls four out of the last five years either

and those passed ball numbers would be way higher if they didn’t call most of the ones he let by Wild Pitches

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2010 4:50 PM MST up reply actions  

I attributed that

To familiarity from their time in the Springs.

Which is why when Phillips got the call up, I really would have preferred to see him catch Chacin more.

by Yokel on Nov 29, 2010 6:56 PM MST up reply actions  

I want to see

if he can get back to being the ground ball machine he was in the minors. Should be fun to watch him continue to develop.

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by jrockies on Nov 29, 2010 1:14 PM MST reply actions  

Some of his positive development (strikeouts, velocity, better breaking stuff)

may negate the GB qualities. If he somehow brought back his BB and GB rates of the minors while keeping everything else constant, he would be a Cy Young winner

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2010 1:28 PM MST up reply actions  

He might be a Cy Young winner someday

Chacin is only 22 and yet he’s already made it to the majors while never posting an ERA higher than 3.40 at any level he’s pitched at in the Rockies organization.

He seems to find success wherever he goes and if he can keep making strides, we have a two headed monster with him and Ubaldo.

123 more days until the Rockies Home Opener!!!!!!!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 29, 2010 1:46 PM MST up reply actions  

He might just be...

….he also might just turn out to be another Mark Fidrych. I hope we can temper expectations, or at least keep hopes and expectations separate for a year or two.

I would not be surprised to see a bit of growing pains in 2011 with Chacin, as he’s expected to step up to #2/3 status, and won’t be the surprise we were able to unleash in 2010.

So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?

Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?

by Mondogarage on Nov 29, 2010 1:51 PM MST up reply actions  

the Bird would have been fine if his arm hadn't exploded

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2010 4:51 PM MST up reply actions  

This kid is money

and another example of how the prospect ratings are very much hit and miss…

Love this kid, and excited to see the other young pitchers continue to develop and hopefully, contribute to the major league ball team

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by El Paso Jeff on Nov 29, 2010 1:28 PM MST reply actions  

Interesting...........

Is it possible though that he was always more of a strikeout pitcher than we thought? His K/9 rate was pretty consistent in the minors.

A Ball (Asheville): K/9 = 7.9
A+ Ball (Modesto): K/9 = 8.4
AA (Tulsa): K/9 = 7.5
AAA: (Colorado Springs): K/9 = 7.9

Obviously we shouldn’t have expected his K/9 to go up to 9.2 as it’s been in his major league career so far but it’s only 1.3 K/9 more than his minor league average of 7.9. I think it’s possible that we may just have a more dominant pitcher than any of us ever realized.

123 more days until the Rockies Home Opener!!!!!!!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 29, 2010 1:41 PM MST reply actions  

A 1.3 K/9 jump from milb to MLB is more than you realize

Consider that most see a pretty obvious decline in strikeout numbers, and you’re looking at a 2-3 K/9 increase over what we expected. There are plenty of kids in A-ball that can’t hit a bad curveball, but there are few easy Ks with the big boys

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2010 1:56 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

But Chacin was also a 20/21 year old kid posting a 7.9 K/9 rate in the minors

When your as young as he is, you can also just get better; and when you do that with a 7.9 K/9 as your starting base you can make a jump from one level to another look easy despite its difficulty.

I do expect his K/9 numbers to regress some in 2011 but I’d be surprised if they fell of a cliff because has never not been a strikeout pitcher despite being known for groundballs in the minors.

123 more days until the Rockies Home Opener!!!!!!!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 29, 2010 2:08 PM MST up reply actions  

sure, theres reasoning to suggest why he improved

But pitchers still don’t improve THAT much that quickly. Even accounting for a reasonable expected growth, striking out batters at a higher rate than Ubaldo and Verlander is just silly

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2010 2:24 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

my suggestion, more or less,

Is that the drop in K rate almost always exceeds the gain in ability in the year where the MLB jump is made.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2010 2:31 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree with this

and I expect Chacin’s K/9 to drop next season. What I think is happening here is that people are seeing Chacin’s huge K rate and wondering “where did this come from?”

I believe it’s a combination of his ability to strike hitters out in the minors going largely unnoticed combined with him continuing to improve and small sample size in the majors.

123 more days until the Rockies Home Opener!!!!!!!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 29, 2010 2:45 PM MST up reply actions  

He was effectively wild..

My theory is that his fastball and changeup were thrown without his usual control and fooled hitters inducing more strikeouts. The curve was his weakest pitch so he was forced to concentrate harder when throwing it. I suggest that going forward he will settle down and become more of the groundball pitcher we heard about in the minors. His K/9 will probably regress as well.

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by Charlie77 on Nov 29, 2010 3:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Nice report

Good to see this assessment. Nice to know the kid can pitch. Would be comforting to see how long his numbers may hold up. Great to have someone of his talent in the rotation. Can we count on him to be the #2?

by Real Perspective on Nov 29, 2010 3:22 PM MST reply actions  

i think counting on a 23 year old kid with 22 MLB starts to be a playoff caliber #2 is premature

Especially considering his 2010 was better than even his strong minor league numbers would suggest he would put up. It isn’t as if this was a Strasburg. But he sure could become that #2 in a hurry.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2010 4:04 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Bumgarner did okay as a 4 pitching like a 2

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2010 4:52 PM MST up reply actions  

sure, and thats one reason why they won the Series

Plus Lincecum and Cain pitching like a 1, and Sanchez pitching like a 2. But they sure didn’t start the season planning on Bum being a 2. In fact, Wellemeyer was their 5 over him to start the season

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2010 5:59 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

which was a GREAT idea

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2010 7:22 PM MST up reply actions  

just like their entire offense to start the season

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by jrockies on Nov 29, 2010 7:28 PM MST up reply actions  

This kid is special

This past year when I went to the Red Sox game when he pitched. Oh my word. That game may have been his 1st big coming out party. How many 22 year rookies can take the ball, go out and beat one of the best teams in the game? The playoff type atmosphere that had been created. Even though it was a very tight ball game,one of the best games I’ve EVER been to, it was a huge pleasure to watch him do what he does. He did earn the win but he did get in trouble in the bottom of the 5th. Its always nice to have a pitcher in hiding that will come out and take everyone by surprise. I felt the same way about Ubaldo-we can ALL see what he has done. 2nd major coming out for him was when he struck out 13 against the D-Backs, and his 3rd was the game against the Dodgers in September when he went 8 shutout inning only to have Morales come in and give up that 2 run homer. Kid is special and good. I think he IS our #2 starter.

by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2010 4:08 PM MST reply actions  

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