Tuesday Rockpile: The New Official Face of the Colorado Rockies, Troy Tulowitzki
Yesterday morning, the Denver Post's Jim Armstrong had this to say about the Rockies' general manager:
(Dan O'Dowd is) going to grab a headline or two...And the names involved might be bigger than you think.
No kidding. That foreshadowing proved to hit the bullseye, as O'Dowd struck deals with two unexpected yet familiar names last night. I'll try to sort through the details and aftermath of the deals.
The Rockies agreed to add six
-year extension worth $119million to the final four years of Troy Tulowitzki's current contract, also in essence picking up his option for $15million in 2014. Overall, the Rockies are committing $157.75million over ten years to the man who finished 5th in the 2010 NL MVP voting. (Sidenote: only Alex Rodriguez and Derek Jeter have been offered a contract commitment as long as ten years before). The deal would make Tulowitzki a Rockie until 2020, when he will be 36. His current contract stays in place, meaning this deal does not affect the Rockies' payroll until 2015. That $157.75 left owed to Tulowitzki ranks as one of the largest agreements in Major League Baseball history.
Alex Rodriguez re-negotiated his contract with New York in 2008. Derek Jeter's deal expired this season, and Manny Ramirez' has been done for a few years. That means the Rockies will have two of the top seven richest contracts in MLB history on the roster in 2011. The Rockies will be the only organizition with more than one contract ranking in the top ten other than the Yankees, and Mike Hampton's doesn't lag behind Todd Helton's contract by much.
I think we can officially stop bellyaching about the Monfort Brothers' willingness to spend money.
As if that wasn't enough, Dan O'Dowd came to a surprise agreement with Jorge de la Rosa. How much of a surprise? Just twenty minutes before the DLR story broke, Troy Renck posted a story about the Rockies' increased interest in Carl Pavano. In recent weeks, Colorado was reportedly more and more on the outside of negotiations on the lefty after refusing to spring for a contract past three years.
The two appear to have compromised, with Colorado offering more per year than desired, while de la Rosa forfeited the chance of a guaranteed fourth year elsewhere.
Here is how de la Rosa's contract breaks down:
- Two year, roughly $21.5million base contract
- Player option for 2013 at a salary of $10.5million.
- If the player option is exercised for 2013, a team option becomes available for $11million in 2014.
The Rockies signed themselves up to be on the hook for $32million, but it could end up anywhere between $21.5million and $43million in the end. If de la Rosa is a worldbeater for two seasons, he has the option to opt out of $10.5mil guaranteed to pursue a fat contract at the age of 31. If not, the Rockies have him for a third year. Once he returns, the Rockies can bring him back again in 2014, though that is likely only if he has three great but not spectacular seasons and the futures of Ubaldo Jimenez and Carlos Gonzalez have been settled, one way or another.
Neither deal is official as of yet, with Tulowitzki's extension pending a physical, and the final details to de la Rosa's deal left to iron out, but both are expected to proceed without a hitch. The flurry of activity left the Rockies' world abuzz last night, so now it is time to quickly examine the short-term and long-term effects of these deals.
Off-topic is here, though how can you go off-topic today?
Long Term
Tulowitzki
A ten year commitment is ridiculous. A lot can happen in ten years, so there is reason to be nervous, as undoubtedly several analytical articles are stating across the blogosphere this morning. Yahoo's Jeff Passan already knows it will end badly for both the Rockies AND Tulowitzki. The obvious reminder of the risk is just across the diamond, scooping Tulo's throws from the dirt. It remains to be seen whether the contract will be worth it, but if you were to construct the perfect player to give a ten year deal to, it would be a young power hitting shortstop with fantastic defense and an unnatural drive to compete. Moreover, at least one of Troy Tulowitzki, Ubaldo Jimenez and Carlos Gonzalez would be extended past 2014 anyway, and Tulowitzki was the easy choice of the three. The Rockies wanted him here for years after 2014, and now they do.
Troy's contract has absolutely no bearing on the payroll until 2015. His current contract will play out as originally planned. $119million will be spread across six years to conclude the deal, and though the year-by-year breakdown has not been released, he would likely be approaching $25million in 2019 and 2020. That's incredibly rich, but unlike Todd Helton, Tulowitzki will be just 35 and 36 in the final two years of his contract. He could be a perfectly solid third baseman by then. The front office is clearly banking on a string of extended contention increasing attendance, concessions and merchandise sales, allowing them to raise payroll before Tulowitzki eats a quarter of the payroll. If the Rockies fail to make the playoffs several times in the next five years, the deal could turn sour in the latter half of the decade.
Here is Rob Neyer's take, essentially that it's not a terrible deal, that Tulowitzki could easily be worth it, but wonders why a deal was struck now. Considering the four-year veteran was under contract for four more years already, it is a worthy question.
De la Rosa
Dan O'Dowd got what he wanted, a three year contract with Jorge de la Rosa so that there is no money owed in 2014, the last year of club control for Ubaldo Jimenez and Carlos Gonzalez. Year-by-year contract details have not come out yet, but it's fair to assume he will be earning $10-11million per year with the difference made up in signing bonus. The Rockies are overlapping a year of one blockbuster contract with another (Helton and Tulo), and Dan O'Dowd has done the same here, overlapping the last year of Aaron Cook's contract with Jorge de la Rosa's. The "feel" of the payroll hit will be no different in 2012 and 2013 than it was the last two seasons.
The Adjusted Offseason Outlook
With the signing of Jorge de la Rosa, we can officially close the book on all rumors involving Gavin Floyd, Carl Pavano, James Shields, Matt Garza, Zack Greinke et al. The rotation will now have five members who are written into the rotation in pen: Ubaldo Jimenez, Jorge de la Rosa, Jhoulys Chacin, Jason Hammel and Aaron Cook. Should de la Rosa remain healthy and pitch up to his potential, that is a playoff-worthy rotation, and a deeper one on than even contending teams.
Again, Tulowitzki's deal does not affect the 2011 payroll in any form. He will make $5.5million in 2011, just as originally planned out. However, the de la Rosa contract was a bit richer than expected and certainly more than the Rockies' brass hoped for. Even if the $21mil budget Jeff estimated is accurate, de la Rosa's contract effectively halves it, and holes remain as pointed out by Thomas Harding:
• Finding a versatile right-handed bat -- a younger, more versatile version of Melvin Mora, who held the job in 2010.
• Establishing a catcher to complement Chris Iannetta, who O'Dowd said will finally have a chance to grasp the starting role.
• Adding a proven reliever to the bullpen -- and it doesn't matter if he's right- or left-handed.
It is still possible that O'Dowd could make a splash and trade for Mike Napoli or Josh Willingham or a similar type, but that would leave almost nothing left to fill other holes. Adding one of those players would force a cheap player like Mike McKenry or Chris Nelson to play a more critical role than planned. If that doesn't happen, expect Dan O'Dowd to step back into the refuse pile and bring in a Jorge Cantu/Rod Barajas type duo to fill the first two bullets while trusting Carney Lansford to work magic on Ian Stewart, Seth Smith and Chris Iannetta. Troy Renck has jumped on the Jesse Crain wagon, but I doubt O'Dowd throw multi-year money at a reliever.
In spite of all the excitement in Rockie world, the Rockies added no one to their 2011 roster than wasn't already on the 3rd place 2010 team. Granted, the Rockies three months were missed by Tulowitzki and de la Rosa combined, so health alone for the two would improve the team. I hold out hope O'Dowd is willing to trust two of the cheap trio of Nelson, McKenry and Cole Garner enough to pursue Willingham or Napoli. That would, in my view, optimize the Rockies' chances of competing in 2011, yet I expect bargain bin shopping is what O'Dowd will end up doing.
Links
Uribe could cash in as 'second' option - Stats & Info Blog - ESPN While de la Rosa's contract is a little steep, the Dodgers signed former Rockie Juan Uribe to a 3-year $21mil contract to be their second baseman. Mark Simon makes a compelling argument why Los Angeles was willing to extend for Uribe, but consider the 31-year-old just got the richest three year contract for a second baseman in nine years.
MLB Trade Rumors: Ian Stewart for Gavin Floyd? - FakeTeams This is a bit obsolete now, but FakeTeams examines the Gavin Floyd for Ian Stewart rumor. The poll at the time of writing was a dead heat.
Twitter / Craig Baker: According to the twitter of Craig Baker, a minor league pitcher for the Rockies, the AA Tulsa coaching staff in 2011 will include Duane Espy, Dave Shuler and Dave Hajek.
Tulo: Rockie For Life (With Apologies to Muzia) - Purple Row I have republished it on the front page, but oo_nrb has come through again and designed a fantastic wallpaper to commemorate Tulowitzki becoming a Rockie for life.
Rockies plan to non-tender Delcarmen | All Things Rockies — The Denver Post Delcarmen was supposed to be a project, someone for Bob Apodaca to fix back into a setup man again. But his career in Colorado looks to end after 8.1 innings, as the Rockies will non-tender him Thursday after failing to negotiate a deal to prior to arbitration. What looked to be a steep price in talented A-ball pitcher Chris Balcom-Miller is certainly now a tough deal to swallow.
The Rockies Curious Moves: de la Rosa and Tulowitzki JC Bradbury thinks that de la Rosa's deal is a bad one, though that is banking on past value continuing. The Rockies clearly believe he will fulfill the #2 potential. It is no secret that if he does not, such a deal will not look so fine in 2013. His take on Tulo's deal is extremely interesting. He is clearly conflicted, bouncing between horrified and very intrigued.
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Tulo
Is 10 years a massive commitment? You bet. At least we have him secured and that the Yankees won’t come around and take him from us. He is one of those types of players that come around only once in awhile. His health is one of the reasons for concern as everyone else has stated. I’m so glad that he did this for us Rockies fans. He can hit the ball for home runs or getting the ball in play just as good as the bigger names(Ryan Howard, Albert Pujols, pick your poison) and he plays shortstop. His defense is stellar.
As I said last night, I don’t know how many of these guys that right these crappy columns saying that this contract is no good for us. I wonder if that Jeff Suppan(or whatever his name is) has ever came to Coors and watched him actually play? All I can say is, he’s ours and nobody can have him……EXCEPT US.
I wonder if pride took much of a part in this deal for the Rockies
basically saying what’s in the TLMM picture.
by Andrew Martin on Nov 30, 2010 8:36 AM MST up reply actions
De la Rosa is key
I was unconvinced that Pavano, Floyd or Sheilds would have a great time in Coors field despite their obvious talents. Without injury I am thinking DLR can get back to 17-18 wins stabilizing our rotation. I think that non-tendering Delcarmen might be a bad idea considering the market for relievers. Sure it will cost us 1-1.25M roughly but I think he could be a nice trade chip if we arent looking to keep him.
JDLR's contract
If I understand the terms right, this was a very clever bit of negotiating by both sides.
From JDLR’s side, if he has a breakout year & becomes the next Cliff Lee, he can opt out after 2012 & cash in his chips for Cliff Lee-type bucks as a free agent. (But he’d be a Type A in that circumstance, so the Rox would get draft picks.) If he’s been inconsistent to the point that his market value hasn’t increased that much, or if he had more injury problems, he’s got his 3rd year guaranteed & thus some financial security.
From the Rox side, they’ve got at least 2 years of their Tulo-Cargo-Ubaldo “championship window” covered with a solid no. 2 starter. They get compensation if JDLR leaves after 2 years. If he stays & remains a serviceable
starter after Year 3, their 4th year option covers the entire Tulo-Cargo-Ubaldo window (call it the “TCU window” for short) with 4 solid starters. I wonder if there’s a buyout
amount if they decline the 4th year option.
In any event, high marks for creativity on both sides on this deal.
Now we’re a right-handed bat away from being able to compete with anyone.
Mediocrity sucks
You have it nailed
I edited in the details after I woke up this morning, as that rolled in right as I went to snooze.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 7:50 AM MST up reply actions
TCU windows...
Please don’t say that again.
TCU just went to the Big East. aka, the Yankees/Sawx. I really don’t want to think of CarGo and U-Ball being part of a TCU move…
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
Heh.
Disgruntled Zoomie/MWC fan here, too.
Also, on a happier note, the “T” part is no longer applicable.
So now it's the CU window??
Somehow the TCU window gave me more hope…..
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Bazinga!!
SD Cat 09 is still awesome
by Junction Rox on Nov 30, 2010 11:10 AM MST up reply actions
I agree, assuming
Jorge lives up to the “solid #2 starter” part of it. And if he’s less than that, it just means the Rockies overpaid for a #3 or #4 who throws hard from the left side – something just about every franchise has done at one time or another. I hope it doesn’t go that way, but if it does it’s still not the end of the world.
by Rockpile Interloper on Nov 30, 2010 8:12 AM MST up reply actions
as big as the Tulo headline is, the DLR contract is what excites me this morning
it’s a brilliant deal on both sides. I could have never possibly dreamed they would both be willing to get something like this done.
Steal of the offseason by far, so far.
Who knew that Muzia’s love is like a rock tied to your feet, dragging you to the bottom of the ocean?
Still hates Tulo, but is quickly losing momentum.
Loves (and misses) Galiardi.
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by Muzia on Nov 30, 2010 8:36 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
it's a pretty nifty contract
basically everyone got what they wanted.
by Andrew Martin on Nov 30, 2010 8:37 AM MST up reply actions
It's one of the most shrewd deals I've ever scene
122 more days until the Rockies Home Opener!!!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 8:50 AM MST up reply actions
I see what you did there
I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby
The Taming of the Shrewd
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Bazinga!!
SD Cat 09 is still awesome
by Junction Rox on Nov 30, 2010 11:10 AM MST up reply actions
Sorry
I’m still voting for the Uggla trade as the steal.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
But they only have Uggla for one year.
Who knew that Muzia’s love is like a rock tied to your feet, dragging you to the bottom of the ocean?
Still hates Tulo, but is quickly losing momentum.
Loves (and misses) Galiardi.
SB Nation Denver
totally agree on the creativity. Both sides get what they want. I really don't like the expression but this is a "win-win".
And kudos to the Monforts for stepping up. Now maybe folks will shut up about them.
I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby
Great move on Jorge
Agree with Maris. This was a great move for the Rockies and it seems to work out well for Jorge as well. If he becomes great the Rox would either have to pony up or lose him. If not, he helps get them to the WS, or at least holds down a rotation slot for a few years.
by Real Perspective on Nov 30, 2010 9:50 AM MST up reply actions
Can someone let me know how a celebrated shagger like Derek Jeter
Has achieved his family-friendly reputation? I’m no prude, but it seems contrary.
He was smart enough to never get married
so he couldn’t cheat. Just kept moving from one to the next. Smartest man in baseball (not baseball smart but “shagger” smart)
"Don't be pushed by your problems. Be led by your dreams."
He's demure about it, and only ends up on the back page of the Daily News once a year
Also, the NY media is usually all over his nuts, which helps keep any transgressions to minimal publicity.
Generally, he isn’t Austin Powers. He’s had a number of steady GFs (and I’m not defending his character, just the appearance of it), and doesn’t make a publicity stunt of every night on the town.
On the subject of LOLCHEEPFARTZ
I think we can officially stop bellyaching about the Monfort Brothers’ willingness to spend money.
I swear, anyone complaining about team’s ownership or DOD ever again deserves permabans here. Seriously.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
Tell me that again in six years or so if I'm lucky enough here
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
to be here
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
What if you never complained about them being cheap, just short-sighted?
There’s not much to complain about today, although they could have structured the Tulo extension in a more team-friendly way (by voiding the existing option year and ending the contract at an earlier age).
But if they don’t address the short-term needs of the offense this off-season, there will still be room for criticism. Today, though, everybody wins.
if Neyer is right I will hold my peace
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
This will certainly be the atitude of this site
for sometime. While I find both of these moves incredible and certainly praise Dod for being able to accomplish this. I still am worried that it will not be enough, but what do I know.
So… any of you staff writers want to come on the radio today and talk about this deal? I’ve got a slot open around 12:40 Central time…
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
I'd love to but I would be driving from Casper to Shoshoni around then
There’s absolutely no cell reception then. I bet A-Mart would do it.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 8:11 AM MST up reply actions
As somebody who used to have to make that drive on a regular basis – why in God’s name are you making that drive? That’s gotta be the worst 96 miles of highway in the country.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
I do work in Thermopolis, Ten Sleep and Lovell
Casper, Newcastle, Gillette, Lusk, Hulett, Aladdin. All over the state.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 8:20 AM MST up reply actions
Well, should you be on your way up north through the Wind River Canyon, tell the good people of Worland I said hello.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
Did you work there?
I’ve tuned into a Worland radio station going through a few times.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 8:26 AM MST up reply actions
My first job out of college was with the two stations out of Worland – was the voice of the Warriors in 08-09. 96.1 was our FM, and 1340 on AM.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
1340 was the one
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 8:30 AM MST up reply actions
And yes, that is my least favorite drive in Wyoming
followed closely by Newcastle to Lusk and Laramie to Rock Springs
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 8:20 AM MST up reply actions
I could probably make it.
That is, if nobody else wants it.
by Andrew Martin on Nov 30, 2010 8:40 AM MST up reply actions
Looks like it’s you if nobody else volunteers – and if you’re cool with doing the show again.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
yeah, absolutely
just email me the info
by Andrew Martin on Nov 30, 2010 9:06 AM MST up reply actions
Wow, that was unexpected!
Congratulations to Tulo and Jorge. Tulo’s dedication to winning and leadership allowed ownership to trust him enough with this contract. DLR’s come a long way since his days in KC. He’s really turned it around. I’m honestly shocked the Rockies did this contract with DLR.
Thanks to to Helton for making this all possible.
@charliedrysdale
Why now?
Because if you wait you have a more difficult time getting it done. Is it a risk yes, is it a risk you take, every day and twice on Sundays.
"Don't be pushed by your problems. Be led by your dreams."
This
In order to achieve great things you often have to take risks. This one is worth taking.
122 more days until the Rockies Home Opener!!!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 8:26 AM MST up reply actions
JUMP THROWS!
two Icehouse 24 oz beers = $3.20 two "fancy" Bud Light 24 oz beers = $5.00
NOW who comes out on top?
by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 30, 2010 8:19 AM MST reply actions
can't wait to continue hating them!
Who knew that Muzia’s love is like a rock tied to your feet, dragging you to the bottom of the ocean?
Still hates Tulo, but is quickly losing momentum.
Loves (and misses) Galiardi.
SB Nation Denver
I think the critical piece of the Tulo deal from the Rockies perspective is...
that the CarGo-Ubaldo-Tulo window (Hereafter the CUT window, so as not to offend Mondo’s tender sensibilities) doesn’t close all at once. Under the current scenario the players would have more leverage because the Rockies would be trying to retain all 3 (or at least 2 of the 3) at once. This reduces the pressure on the team to re-sign any of them because they already have one locked up.
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
I used to be normal until I met these losers I now call my friends.
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I agree with this
Now we would only have to sign one of the other two to retain 67% of the big three. With more talent coming from the farm by that time, 2015 and beyond looks a whole lot different for the Rockies than it did 24 hours ago.
122 more days until the Rockies Home Opener!!!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 8:28 AM MST up reply actions
A day later and I'm still ecstatic
I don’t care what Jeff Passan says. I find this deal to be supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 8:24 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Passan made on very egregious oversight
that the payroll would remain about the same by 2020. Even without a contending team, that is a ridiculously short-sighted and incorrect assumption
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 8:29 AM MST up reply actions
And with that one oversight
His argument falls down like a house of cards
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 8:32 AM MST up reply actions
He also made the assumption that the team will be in the same state of contention that they were
The 2003-2006 are vastly different than the 2011-2014 Rockies.
by Andrew Martin on Nov 30, 2010 8:39 AM MST up reply actions
This is an excellent point
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 8:53 AM MST up reply actions
Correct
It was really a lazy analysis. When someone is deciding to commit $160million to one player, a lot of thought goes into it. You owe those people at least 1% of that same amount of thought before criticizing
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 9:02 AM MST up reply actions
Anybody know what this meant?
Suddenly, close to $20 million a year didn’t look so bad, not in such a great city with such great fans.
I honestly can’t tell what Passan means the way he writes this.
Good for tulo -- maybe not for the Rox
I think Passan is right. This big deal really ties up the Rox. If Tulo continues to perform at current levels it would be great. But there are no guarantees. If he gets a seruious injury he would become untradeable and they are stuck wit a huge salary commitment. And now that he is guaranted all this money the young man could get lazy.
by Real Perspective on Nov 30, 2010 9:54 AM MST up reply actions
And now that he is guaranted all this money the young man could get lazy.
I’d wager my house that this won’t happen.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 10:24 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
HAHA no
The bank does but either way Real Perspective won’t be seeing it
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 10:45 AM MST up reply actions
Who says I want your house?
You are probably right about Tulo. He is a true sportsman.
by Real Perspective on Nov 30, 2010 3:17 PM MST up reply actions
/HUGS RIRF
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 8:39 AM MST up reply actions
/Hugs PIP
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 8:57 AM MST up reply actions
HUGS FOR EVERYONE!!!
/HUGS : )
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 9:38 AM MST up reply actions
jeff passan is an idiot.
who is sad that Tulo isn’t going to play for New York or Boston. Because those are the only places a player can have glory.
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I'm fine with Passan thinking the Rox overpaid but what I find horrible is the following
And on the other, he lacked the fortitude to chase the greater glory that awaited him elsewhere. The money he could’ve gotten and the championships he could’ve won elsewhere had he simply played out his current contract with the franchise that can’t help itself from taking a blade to its jugular.
I said it in the Tulo thread last night…
Tulo is determined to take a team to the top. He WANTS to be the one who drives the bus, and he doesn’t want to join another “legend” to win.
Tulo wants to BE the legend!
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by SDcat09 on Nov 30, 2010 8:58 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
And on the other, he lacked the fortitude to chase the greater glory that awaited him elsewhere. The money he could’ve gotten and the championships he could’ve won elsewhere had he simply played out his current contract with the franchise that can’t help itself from taking a blade to its jugular.
I’m sure Adrian Beltre (Mariners edition), Mike Mussina, Jason Giambi, Johan Santana, Carlos Beltran, Kevin Brown, Miguel Cabrera, etc all thought the same thing when they signed their FA deals or extensions, and look how that has turned out. None of those people has won a championship, despite “chasing the glory” to sky high payroll teams and all that. Passan, what a total d-bag.
Tulo is the next John Elway
Tulo wants to BE the legend!
~SDcat09
@charliedrysdale
by Charlie77 on Nov 30, 2010 9:27 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I love the design of the DLR contract,
It really is an example of true compromise between sides that want the best for themselves, but also wanted to work together.
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It's especially impressive considering almost all reporters were saying 4 year offers existed.
They must have been paltry AAVs compared to the first 2-3 years here.
Maybe he realized
that 4 years with the Pirates is less a contract and more a sentence.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
by Resolution on Nov 30, 2010 9:01 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I think we are underrating the value of the player option in 2014
All four year deals were essentially covering all of his prime, making this offseason the most important for de la Rosa. But what if he stays healthy and completely blossoms? What if he pitches like he’s worth $18mil/year? After four years, he’d be too old to get a big contract. It’s close after three. But in 2013, at age 31, he can still cash in big time. The Rockies essentially allowed him the opportunity to cash in on what he deserves while he can get it (if he does deserve it). If I’m Jorge, that’s a big deal.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 9:06 AM MST up reply actions
The player option is earlier than 2014 though
the player option isn’t the 4th year of the deal. The 4th year is a club option.
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That is what I mean
The Rockies are allowing him to leave in 2013 to pursue big $$ after just two years.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 9:10 AM MST up reply actions
yea
I don’t think that’s being underrated though (but I could be wrong). Without that option for JDLR, this deal doesn’t happen at all because it really offers no upside for him. It’s like the AJ Burnett deal he had with Toronto (which probably worked out well for them)
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
It works for JDLR because he now knows he'll be making no less than what the Rockies are offering him in 2013
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 9:41 AM MST up reply actions
I think it's an absolutely great deal for both sides.
Team and player each got what they want. And that’s the definition of a great deal. Everyone’s happy.
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Definitely
Plus if he ops out, he can still be offered arbitration right? So, if he opts out that means two reasonably good years plus two picks.
There’s really not a bad angle to the deal, as it provides incentive to perform in every year through the 2014 club option.
Yees
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 9:10 AM MST up reply actions
Keith Law doesn't like the Tulo deal either
http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog?name=law_keith&id=5865641
I’d like to be wrong, as someone who has enjoyed watching Tulowitzki play since I first saw him on Team USA in 2004, but I don’t like the odds for Colorado over the long haul here.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 8:33 AM MST reply actions
Don't most long term contracts of this size favor the player significantly by the back end?
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 8:34 AM MST up reply actions
Yes
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 8:37 AM MST up reply actions
I just don't see why the Tulo deal would be singled out for this.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 8:39 AM MST up reply actions
it was agreed upon last night, and is massive? pretty simple reasons
Who knew that Muzia’s love is like a rock tied to your feet, dragging you to the bottom of the ocean?
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You certainly don't see a contract like this every day...
… but I find it hard to believe there aren’t some naysayers about every long term contract precisely because it is inherently a massive risk. My point is that I wouldn’t assume that Tulo is being singled out for this.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 8:43 AM MST up reply actions
It's not singled out
People openly mock the Howard extension and have for years.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 8:42 AM MST up reply actions
Rightly so.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 8:43 AM MST up reply actions
The difference here though is that Tulo is being signed at a younger age
Most of these huge deals are signed after the player reaches free agency or at least is very close to it meaning they are on the north end of 35 during the last few years of the contract. That won’t be the case for Tulo during this contract unless the Rockies go deep into the playoffs in 2020.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 9:02 AM MST up reply actions
So he may not end up being an old, marginal, highly paid monument
Thanks for clarifying this.
by Real Perspective on Nov 30, 2010 9:56 AM MST up reply actions
If he gives us 7 years of excellence
The frankly I don’t care if he Heltons the last couple. That’s how these things work. I must say your username is becoming less and less credible :)
I went to Perspective on my holidays a few years ago, lovely beach.
Didn’t know they had a soccer team, though.
Thanks for the reassurance.
Tulo’s a great player. Hopefully the Rox did not end up with a no-trade, just in case he self destructs after a few years.
I don’t follow soccer so do not know who La Liga is. They say River Plate (Argentina) is a good team.
I have been to Madrid, but not Barcelona. I hear it’s a nice place.
by Real Perspective on Nov 30, 2010 3:28 PM MST up reply actions
As the resident soccer junkie
La Liga is Spain’s highest league, on par with the Bundesliga (Germany) and Barclay’s Premier League (England).
To keep this on topic, from what I have read there is no “no-trade” clause in the contract.
Not the only soccer junkie
He will in six year gain the whole 5-10 no trade clause though.
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I'm choosing to focus my smiles on the DLR contract for purely financial reasons
Who knew that Muzia’s love is like a rock tied to your feet, dragging you to the bottom of the ocean?
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I can't read the downside part of Law's article
but does he deal with what Tulo would get on the open market at 30/31 years old? To me, that is the most critical thing. Assuming nothing catastrophic happens, this is, at worst, a market-rate deal in the 2014/2015 off-season.
The only complaint I have with it is that they should have tried to build it into the option year, thus giving him the same AAV but ending the contract a year earlier (Tulo would be 35 in the last season, 2020, in that scenario).
I'm not gonna lie
when I saw the extension, my first thought was ‘this could get ugly’. It also really just depends on how he ages. Obviously the worst case scenario is Eric Chavez, and the best case is like Derek Jeter. I guess a Chipper Jones is in the middle.
I will say 1. I don’t think Tulo is as injury-prone as the media makes him out to be – he’s had some quad problems but other than that, lacerating his hand on a shattered bat and getting hit by a pitch on the wrist are really very different than pulled muscles and stuff. 2. It really puts pressure on the FO or whoever to identify the best trainers and whatnot to keep their players in the best condition. If you’re going to take on risk like this (which is pretty big – regardless of how much you like Tulo or the contract), you want to create the biggest safety net possible. The White Sox come to mind as having some strong trainer presence as they routinely spend the least amount of days on the DL…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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not to mention the big difference between this and the Helton contract
Helton was basically set as a 1B for the life of the deal. Tulowitzki will likely shift over to 3B in the next six or seven years and still be an incredibly productive and solid defensive player at the hot corner
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Thats true
or even 1st base depending on how he ages – there are a lot more options here which is awesome.
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Third base and ending at 36 are the biggest things
He has decent plate discipline, a decent walk rate, power… it’s really pretty good.
The extension is close to one of the scenarios I posited at the beginning of the month. I guessed he’d get about $19m/year in any extension signed before 2013, though I built in the extension to cover the 2014 option (and in some cases, the 2013 year) and raise its value to market level, thus ending the deal in 2019 instead of 2020. At the end of the day, it’d be nice if he ended the deal a year or two younger, but 36 won’t be a death knell for the franchise.
Plus, if something funky does happen, the team has Helton’s contract extension as something to point to for alleviating the near-term financial pain.
I think extending the deal to 2020 is huge for the Rockies from a marketing standpoint
Being able to advertise Tulo for a decade is huge for this franchise building a brand right now. The Rockies are at a significant crossroads when it comes to that because if they push the right buttons they could have a lot more money to play with when the back end of this deal comes around.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 9:48 AM MST up reply actions
Of all the things people are enjoying about the deal
the Decade of Tulo is not one that I’m embracing. Not because I think his personality is obnoxious, just because I think teams like the Rockies can’t get worked up about 2020. No matter their success, I think their economic fortunes will top out with a $100-110m payroll (similar to what is now being seen with the Twins).
If the team succeeds from 2011-2014, the extension will be a favorable marketing tool. If not, the vast majority of people not on PR will point to it in the same way they did/do Helton’s.
Not sharing this part of the enthusiasm might stem from not being in CO, but knowing that 17-25% of the payroll will be tied up in one player from 2015-2020 is a lot to think about. It’s a very good thing he’s under contract, but there are too many variables that could bring a backlash to this deal from a marketing perspective.
He is probably
one of the biggest names in Denver/Colorado/Rocky Mountain West sports.
Unless he pulls a tiger woods – or runs over a puppy with his vintage camero – I don’t see this being bad at all from a marketing perspective.
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Marketing wise it's a MASSIVE plus
And will continue to be unless he does something really dumb or gets career-endingly injured. Tulo is a rare sportsman who is both exceptional at the sport and a real personality, and one associated with passion and commitment. Imagine the difference in fan attitude if we’d say signed Manny Ramirez.
As for the proportion of payroll committed to him – well, we’ve done the same with Todd and made it to the postseason twice lately. What it means is that we have a major talent who will be with the team for a decade around whom we can build a team not only on the pitch but off it as well.
There is a big risk, because if Tulo gets injured, then we will be in massive trouble. But if we don’t, we’re paying a fair fee for a fundmamental basis to genuine contention for the entire period.
I agree about the contract, I just have trouble seeing an actual marketing boost
Maybe I don’t appreciate how bitter people were/still are about Holliday not spending his entire career as a Rockie, or players like Hawpe and Francis not becoming perma-Rockies, so maybe the extension does have a big impact.
I think the extension matters for this year and next, but if the team doesn’t succeed beyond 2014, ownership won’t get a reprieve because of the good faith they showed four years earlier.
From a marketing perspective
It really is a coup. The Broncos had Elway, then nothing. The Aves had Sakic, then nothing. The Nuggets don’t really have much beyond Melo. This deal adds a continuity to the franchise like none other – Mr. Rockie will ride off into the sunset after giving his badge to the New Face of the Rockies.
Muzia aside, the fact that they’re such likeable, team-oriented, committed guys makes it all the better in this world of “I want my payday” professional sports. And it sets an example for the entire system, sending the message that if a player commits to this team, he’ll be taken care of in return, Yankees/Sawks be damned.
From a fuzzy, narrative, marketing stand point, there is nothing to not like about this deal.
Or this team.
When does spring training start?
About 75 days...
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I used to be normal until I met these losers I now call my friends.
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I'm already looking forward to this.
I can’t wait for my birthday (March 20), being in Arizona and watching the Rockies get ready for baseball.
It's about the marketing right now though
The Rockies want to get to that 100M-110M window as fast as they can. Now that fans know Tulo will be around for an entire decade in 2011-2014 they may be more willing to really get into the Rockies. If this happens then the Rockies can increase payroll faster and Tulo’s contract eats up a smaller percentage of the payroll in 2015-2020 allowing the team more flexability and possibly more success in the latter half of the decade.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 10:32 AM MST up reply actions
I know that Tulo's committment to the Rockies
Has pushed me closer to buying a jersey and made me more excited about the long-term future of this team.
I would love to see what Tulo's jersey sales are in the next 12 months
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 10:47 AM MST up reply actions
Tulo's got it
Excellent points. I would think what is most attractive about Tulo to DOD & Co. is his attitude. You can’t train for it, you can’t buy it. Tulo’s got it, and that drives his price.
by Real Perspective on Nov 30, 2010 3:31 PM MST up reply actions
WOW.
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IT’S A BEAUTIFUL DAY!!!!!
HOLY COW I STILL CANT BELIEVE IT: 2020 2020 2020!!!
PURPLE PINSTRIPES FOREVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
I think the Tulo contract is supposed to send a message.
Or several messages, to lots of people.
To everyone: that the Rockies plan to contend after 2014.
To the fans: that they won’t lose all of their favorites at once. (I think that Todd and now Tulo help to build the fanbase – a six-year-old who learned the Tulo chant in 2007 can keep cheering for Tulo until college. And those kids of Cubs/Dodgers/Red Sox/Cardinals fans whose parents moved to Denver and take them to one Rockies game a year might switch family allegiance.) Santa can stock his sleigh with Tulo jerseys now.
To the other young players in the Rockies system: that signing a team-friendly contract through arbitration and early free agent years doesn’t mean giving away the chance to make money. That there are other outcomes possible besides being non-tendered, released after being put on waivers, or traded to a non-contender for anything available. (Or traded on the eve of free agency for new young players.)
To CarGo in particular: if he signs a deal through his arbitration and early free agent years, he’ll have someone hitting behind him. (I know, Boras is CarGo’s agent, so a deal is unlikely. But maybe Tulo’s contract would make the Rockies seem more appealing to CarGo.)
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by glaucophane on Nov 30, 2010 8:46 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
To the world
You can spring to keep the talent you want if you really want to.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 9:01 AM MST up reply actions
And to the Yankees

(All credit for the picture goes to The Lodo Magic Man)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 9:09 AM MST up reply actions
The only thing better
would be is if there was a SF Giants reference in this pic as Tulo was pointing to some punk Giants fans after hitting a game winner here
"They can outplay us all four games and if we end up winning the series, I'll be fine with that." ~Troy Tulowitzki
by HeltonsHeroes on Nov 30, 2010 9:28 AM MST up reply actions
I believe this was when he ran into the outfield after hitting a walkoff against the Dodgers so you're close
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 9:49 AM MST up reply actions
a six-year-old who learned the Tulo chant in 2007 can keep cheering for Tulo until college.
Wow
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 9:07 AM MST up reply actions
Now that's some perspective right there.
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Holy crap.
Who knew that Muzia’s love is like a rock tied to your feet, dragging you to the bottom of the ocean?
Still hates Tulo, but is quickly losing momentum.
Loves (and misses) Galiardi.
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As crazy as it sounds
This is exactly how you build a strong fan base. 25 years from now that 6 year can tell his children about how he grew up watching Tulo play for the Rockies.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 9:11 AM MST up reply actions
A thirteen year old girl
who chose him as her favorite player in 2007 will get to watch him til she’s 26.
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And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 9:11 AM MST up reply actions
Yes, but what's your p.....
oh I get it! Congratulations! You might even have a child of your own by then
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 9:13 AM MST up reply actions
gonna name him
Tulo…or Tula if it’s a girl.
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Is she GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIEEEEEEK?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 9:14 AM MST up reply actions
I don't get this joke...
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My Big Fat Greek Wedding?
The main character was named Tula
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 9:19 AM MST up reply actions
Toula
Different name.
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I don't care how it's spelled
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 9:26 AM MST up reply actions
You should.
it can have completely different meanings.
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BAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 9:28 AM MST up reply actions
oh gollly.
er…no.
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by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 9:16 AM MST up reply actions
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9 more years is a long time….who knows what awesome things will have happened.
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by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 9:16 AM MST up reply actions
This
LETS GO RED WINGS!
2011 will be the year....better be....
Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 9:15 AM MST up reply actions
And that’s how you build a brand and build loyalty for the organization. The Rockies have always known they were sitting on a potentially massive fan base – the team with an entire time zone virtually to itself. Giving fans a chance to connect with players on perennially strong teams is how you cultivate something that lasts a long, long time.
Put it this way – they weren’t selling Preston Wilson and Shawn Estes jerseys or t-shirts at Coors Field.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
The hardest part of talking about Tulo being 36 at the end of this contract...
…is that we’re not even a month apart in age, and I’ll ALSO be 36 at the end of this contract — ugh. That’s not fun to think about.
Try having lived across the hall from Chris Paul in college
Everyday was a constant reminder that no matter what you do, it will take a lifetime to do what he will do in one year.
I'm thinking of how nice it would be to have paychecks lined up for the next 10 years...
…even at an average salary.
Tulo signs his name on a sheet of paper, and all the sudden, the next three generations of his family are completely taken care of.
That Chris Paul game,by the way, while at Wake Forest, right after his grandfather died, is still one of the more remarkable performances I’ve seen in sports. Hope you got to see that in person.
He was a senior in high school
I hadn’t gotten to Winston-Salem, but I remember reading about it when it happened. I don’t know a lot about him, but he seemed like a genuine guy at Wake.
And my 9 year old son could possibly play with him if the Rox draft him out of HS
At least at spring training
R U F'ing kidding me
Dear Santa,
pls disregard previous letter. Tulo in purple pinstripes for like ever is the greatest x-mas present I could imagine
Now if it’s not too much can we add a 20 win U-baldo season and a Cy young for this outstanding young man. And a World Series trophy would be nice as well.
Thank you
The Big Purple Machine will make a believer outta you!
YAY TULO!!! CELEBRATE!!!!

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And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
Why is the cork still in this bottle?
It needs to be opened and flowing out of the top
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I know, huh.
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 9:12 AM MST up reply actions
This bottle should say 2020% Rockahol
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 9:15 AM MST up reply actions
I know.
I was gonna change it last night and develop a whole YAYTULO brand of Rockahol, but got too tired. : )
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And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 9:17 AM MST up reply actions
Renck gives us the breakdown on Jorge's deal, year by year.
From Twitter:
TroyRenck
De La Rosa contract: $ 1 M signing, $9.5, $10 M w $ 1M buyout. If player option taken, $11 M in 3rd yr and Rockies receive $11 M club option
So, that’s $10.5 million off the books for 2011, leaving us roughly $10.5 million left to work with this offseason, right? Assuming Jeff Aberle’s $21 million projection was correct?
I have somewhere around 8 million left to work with
According to my calculations, based on an 84 million dollar payroll. But it’s not 100% right now until I know any changes with Tulos contract.
I think it has been pretty well established there are no changes to Tulo's contract
It operates as a six year extension kicking in at 2015, with his current option year acting as year one of the extension
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 9:08 AM MST up reply actions
I don't think there will be changes to the base salary
But there may be signing bonuses added. I’ll wait until actual numbers come out.
Do signing bonuses count against the salary cap though?
Or do they come out of a separate fund?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 9:11 AM MST up reply actions
payroll
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 9:14 AM MST up reply actions
Most clubs treat them as part of annual payroll
I don’t know why there are signing bonuses in a league without a cap.
They're in my calculations as part of the team's ODP
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Maybe more $ available
The Monforts might change their mind and go to $90 million. After these latest revelations I think the paradigm has shifted, or the demographics have changed. Will be intersting to see what the next news release is all about. Do you think they might still go after Pavano???
by Real Perspective on Nov 30, 2010 10:04 AM MST up reply actions
they won't go after Pavano
Craziest I can see is they move Aaron Cook.
by Andrew Martin on Nov 30, 2010 10:07 AM MST up reply actions
Unless they go all in and make a move for Floyd
I don’t see them moving Cook. But, it would be insane if they did.
Not $90 million, but the last two weeks it's seemingly become likely that it will go to $86 million
Meaning about $10 million left for a bat, a catcher and a reliever.
I'd say closer to $9 million
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There is too much orange in it..makes me think of the Giants
Change the orange to purple then you’ll have it..
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It's Godzilla!
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Um, Tulozilla!
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Tuzilla!!!
(tulozilla is awkward…too many syllables)
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Why do you hate the new face of our franchise?
Oh dear…lol
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Why would
this make you think I hate Tulo?
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Because you picked a really terrible picture showing free flowing mullet
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it was his choice
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No, he did it for the KIDS!!!
Don’t you try to pretend otherwise. He had no choice…
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He could have just
written a huge check for the kids.
Instead he grew that luxurious mane.
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But what a sacrifice he made! Knowing the neverending abuse he would receive....
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and he "sacrificed" with Party in the USA
good lord, I didn’t sign up for ten more years of this
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So, go cheer for the Giants then...:P
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You are the one
who hates the mullet.
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I do hate the mullet....but I love Tulo
he’s already cut it anyway…
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But tulo is the mullet.
To hate the mullet. Is to hate Tulo.
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Where is that written?
In the Book of Rockahol?
I think not.
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 9:21 AM MST up reply actions
Where is that written?

right there.
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yes.
I wrote it. : )
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 9:25 AM MST up reply actions
haha no.
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And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 9:30 AM MST up reply actions
It started with this right?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 9:55 AM MST up reply actions
yep
Haha, good times!
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And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 9:58 AM MST up reply actions
I think I would have put a stipulation in his contract that he has to choose different hitting music.
Though if he leads the team to more playoff appearances and wins an MVP he can come to the plate to ‘Dancing Queen’ for all I’d care.
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Dancing Queen is awesome!!! Miley Cyrus is not
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I would love it
if he came to the plate to dancing queen.
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ABBA sucks something fierce
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look how wrong you are
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it's a good thing
you aren’t gay anymore.
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ABBA is quite simply God.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 9:33 AM MST up reply actions
ABBA is the worst earworm turrible music
oh god it’s bad, it’s like Christmas music bad.
by Andrew Martin on Nov 30, 2010 9:50 AM MST up reply actions
I'm not sure
we can be friends…
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We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Bazinga!!
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by Junction Rox on Nov 30, 2010 11:18 AM MST up reply actions
That would even top 'Tainted Love'!
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by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 30, 2010 10:34 AM MST up reply actions
Best Walkup Song.
I went to like three games this year that Spilly started, and my section would keep signing it while Spilly was at bat.
You started it, huh? : ) You got your section singing.
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And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 10:40 AM MST up reply actions
He'll change it.
Don’t worry. He’ll have 10 different songs from 10 different genres.
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 9:19 AM MST up reply actions
let me recommend some Napalm Death then
then I might even cheer for the dude
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SO I PUT MY HAAAAANDS UP THEYRE PLAYING MY SONG
I KNOW ITS GONNA BE OK
YEAAHAHAHEAHEHAHAHAHAHEAHHA
ITS A PARTY IN THE USA
by Andrew Martin on Nov 30, 2010 9:48 AM MST up reply actions
gee thanks
/thinks of better song
I’VE GOT SUNSHII-EEEE-INE
ON A CLOUDY DAYYYY
EVEN WHEN ITS COLD OUTSI-EEE-IDE
I’VE GOT THE MONTH OF MAY
I GUESS YOU’LL SAY
WHAT CAN MAKE ME FEEL THIS WAY
R GUY, R GUY, R GUY!!!!!!
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 9:52 AM MST up reply actions
that song has Zero connection to Troy Tulowitzki.
by Andrew Martin on Nov 30, 2010 10:08 AM MST up reply actions
So.
It’s how I feel. And I feel this way because of Troy Tulowitzki.
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 10:10 AM MST up reply actions
they're giving them to everyone!
and that means you!
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yes, because mullets=kid charity
it’s written in stone somewhere
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It's written in Tulo's contract :-)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 9:19 AM MST up reply actions
Behold the mullet
in all of it’s glory Cat.
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Love is not when you look at someone and see no flaws
Love is when you look at someone, see their flaws, and still love them anyway.
We all know Tulo has flaws (like his temper that caused him to lacerate hisown hand in 2008) but now we can all love him anyway.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 9:24 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 9:24 AM MST up reply actions
meh.
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Just continue to hate the man, the mullet
but, be f’ing grateful that he chose ouR team to grace with his bat and jump throws..
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I've already stated as much.
He can leave the jump throws behind though
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he will
when he transitions over to 3rd.
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you know that's a lie
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prove it.
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Oh Cal...
I swooned when he hit that homer in the All Star Game.
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The one decent thing Arod did was switch out for
Ripken at SS….that was pretty awesome..
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Another decent thing he could've done
is punch Dallas Braden in the mouth on his way across the mound.
I'm not...That was the one and only time I did it...
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Ah.....gotcha
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I could
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 9:36 AM MST up reply actions
I was just trying to build on your point
You’ll have to forgive me for being overly sappy today. I’m euphoric.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 9:30 AM MST up reply actions
So hate is love.
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bahahahahhaha
I can’t rec this hard enough
by Andrew Martin on Nov 30, 2010 9:51 AM MST up reply actions
Today everything equals love
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 9:31 AM MST up reply actions
Hey RIRF
You gonna buy a Tulo jersey now? (if you don’t have one yet)
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 9:55 AM MST up reply actions
I'm gonna buy a Tulo jersey as a Christmas gift to myself
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 9:59 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Awesome!
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And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 10:06 AM MST up reply actions
Black, Purple pinstripes, or away?
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 10:10 AM MST up reply actions
Hmm
I have not decided yet?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 10:35 AM MST up reply actions
very very weird pic indeed lol
LETS GO RED WINGS!
2011 will be the year....better be....
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by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 9:11 AM MST up reply actions
Sooo.....
rotation looks to be
Uball
DLR
Chacin
Hammel
Cook
we’ve learned that you can’t have too much SP depth going into the year, but does this mean a) the Rox are out on signing Francis and/or b) Can Rogers be moved as a piece for righty bat, or would folks prefer keeping him in the stable?
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NOW who comes out on top?
by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 30, 2010 9:02 AM MST reply actions
We might be swapping Chacin and Hammel there, but as we all know, rotation order is rather moot 75% of the time.
The Rockies are very unlikely to bring Francis back now. Just no place for him unless they somehow trade Cook. Rogers has always been a trade chip, but he is even moreso now. There’s still a place for him/Paulino in the pen, especially with Delcarmenj looking to be non-tendered on Thursday.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 9:05 AM MST up reply actions
yeah, not to worried about the order
just the names. I’m concerned a bit about Hammel, and will be until I hear reports that his arm feels great in ST.
anyone remember which RPs contained the discussions about what it would take for Willingham? can’t find them.
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NOW who comes out on top?
by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 30, 2010 9:10 AM MST up reply actions
Several theories, really, but as always, trade discussions are purely guesswork until they actually happen.
For all we know, Willingham would be netted for players we haven’t considered yet.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 9:14 AM MST up reply actions
I feel like I've asked you this a thousand times
but does Rogers have options left or does he have to stay with the club?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
We don't know for sure
Maybe not. But he might have another option granted because we actually did not play long enough.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 9:14 AM MST up reply actions
ohh right
he was one of those guys…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Here's a breakdown on why this situation is complicated:
All players get three option years by default. Rogers has used all three.
However, in order to keep some flexibility for players that are injured and/or get to the 40 man roster early, anyone that doesn’t have “five full professional years of service time” can have access to a fourth option year (so a young prospect who, say, suffers a serious injury doesn’t have to be waived before their recovery time and still has a chance with his original club).
The definition of a “full professional year” is very specific: 90 days on an active roster, no more than 30 of that 90 on the DL. Because of this definition, play in Latin leagues or in Short Season/Rookie leagues do not count, as they rarely amass more than 80 days of play.
In Rogers’ case, despite being signed in ‘03, he didn’t begin pro play until 2006, which was with Casper. Rogers has had what counts as full seasons every year since then in 2007-2010, which is only four years, which is why by my accounting, he should have access to a fourth option year just as Greg Reynolds does this year. The only reason I’m not saying for sure is because unlike Reynolds’, this hasn’t been reported anywhere. Granted, I have occasionally outsmarted the reporters here (Herrera last year, I was the only person who seemed to realize he still had an option year), but I can just as easily make a mistake or simply be unaware of some random exception (Morales last year, which took me an hour of research to figure out why he still had an option).
I trust my work here, but I can’t commit for sure to Rogers having an option until we see it from an official source.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 9:21 AM MST up reply actions
Thanks for this dude
also, happy bday!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Thankee
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 9:36 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah
Happy Birthday Dude
I thought Cliff Lee getting traded to Texas instead of the Yankees on my birthday was an awesome present but this totally wins.
The only thing that comes close is the SpillySlam game on Silver’s birthday.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 10:03 AM MST up reply actions
Poor Charlie

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 10:37 AM MST up reply actions
Thanks
It reflects the mood I’m in right now
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 11:18 AM MST up reply actions
My birthday's in January, so I have no chance at birthday baseball memories.
Unless the Rockies trade for Justin Upton on my birthday or something.
Can they trade up for someone else
Thanks for the clarification on Rogers. If the Rox still go after Pavano, couldn’t they trade some of the guys like Rogers or even Cookie?
by Real Perspective on Nov 30, 2010 10:08 AM MST up reply actions
I has a sad about Francis likely being gone.
I understand it and am fine with it, but it’s still sad. Seeing him in another uniform will just feel wrong.
Yup. It was really weird for me to see Hawper in a different uniform
Eventually, the weird goes away…:( Or at least that’s what people keep telling me…
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Yea, it's sad to see the "good guys" get traded.
Barmes,Carroll and many others were all class acts. :(
Keep Rogers
When Cook starts out 0-3 7.20 we can plug Rogers into the rotation and eat the rest of Cook’s contract.
I still wonder if the Rox were willing to eat the majority of Cook’s money could they use him as a piece to get a Willingham.
The Nationals have no need for Cook, salaryh eaten or not.
If we want Willingham, we need a much different angle. The only way we manage to offload Cook now is to a team that somehow misses out on the entire FA market and is desperate at the end of the offseason/beginning of the season.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 9:07 AM MST up reply actions
Which is possible at this point
But unlikely. I have a hard time seeing Cook anywhere else at this point.
I dont't know
Knowbody is taking the Nats money the matter how hard they try to spend it. I just looked at their roster and can’t find a guaranteed starting pitcher on it. They may get Zimmerman, marquis, and Wang back from injuries but that is a lot of crossing fingers that needs to be done. In a large park where we pay most of the salary, I am not certain that they wouldn’t take a flyer on Cook. At least let me keep my hopes up.
I think it's much more likely they ask for Rogers.
Than Cook. We may still be able to unload him to free up space, but than we need to replace him with something, and I don’t think the club will want to look for any more starters.
expensive flyer.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 30, 2010 9:19 AM MST up reply actions
Not if we pay all but $2 or $3 million of his salary.
I just think after awhile pitching at Coors will wear a guy down. He might be fine if he moves on.
but if you frame it that way
you are labeling Cook as “scrap heap.” The nationals won’t move Willingham for what someone else has labeled scrap heap.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 30, 2010 9:27 AM MST up reply actions
what if we just label them as
the Washington Scrap Heap?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
screw it.
why not just move em to Canada?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 30, 2010 9:50 AM MST up reply actions
fine by only if they're in Canada
but are still called the Nationals.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
i don't agree to this.
baseball still has some growing to do in Canada. so moving another ML team there would be like an Expostition. We could call them the Canada Expositions.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 30, 2010 9:55 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
someone buy this man a steak!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Or just shorten it to the Expos.
Science! It means whatever you want it to!
by realmenwearpurple on Nov 30, 2010 2:25 PM MST up reply actions
Also, if the goal for the Nationals is not to tie up payroll in older players,
which I’m pretty sure would be a big part of the goal in moving Willingham, taking on Cook wouldn’t make sense. They wouldn’t be able to spin him for better prospects than they could get straight up for Willingham.
I think Cook will be fine personally
he had an off-year where his walk rate ballooned. If we calculate his average walk rate and its standard deviation for the years 2006, 2007, 2008, and 2009, and then we look at his walk rate in 2010 – we see a number that’s like 4 or 5 standard deviations above the mean. Again this isn’t really scientific but anything that’s above 3 standard deviations is a huge outlier normally…Of course baseball is usually anything but normal…
Case in point, I think Cook will be his usual 4.20 ERA self with a ton of groundballs.
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--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
and 2-3 starts where he throws a CG,
82 pitches.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 30, 2010 9:28 AM MST up reply actions
Those are the best.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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I freaking love good Cookie.
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Good Cook is an absolute joy to watch.
When he gets cruising you can’t even get a bathroom break in for risk of missing an inning.
I'm definitely optimistic we'll be seeing some of this.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 9:39 AM MST up reply actions
I'm surprised by this
Good Cookie equals ground balls and ground balls equal jump throws.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 10:04 AM MST up reply actions
I am not a believer in Cook
And the infield defense will take a hit at 2B even if Nelson beats out EY2. That is not going to help Cook out.
well,
why aren’t you a believer in Cook? He’s been extremely consistent (albeit injury prone), and 2010 represented the first off year. He’s also not old enough where we can expect a big decline like that.
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Short Memory
He was beyond horrible in 2010. He relies to much on at-em grounders. The margin for error is very very slim. I could go on but watching him has always made me squirm in my seat. As I said earlier, I just think pitching at altitude wears a guy out after awhile.
Cook's walks were too high last year..
and his BABIP was slightly above career avg. So he was wild, grooved some pitches and it caused him to get shelled with men on base too often. He was probably trying to strike out too many guys, which led to his wildness.
@charliedrysdale
With Cook it often seemed like his sinker just wasn't working.
I don’t have any stats on this, but it seems like he threw his breaking stuff more often last year as a result, and that got him in trouble.
Ah, okay. I figured my perception was a bit off.
I really hope his last few starts before Votto broke his leg were an indication that he figured out what was wrong and fixed it going into 2010.
I also hope he doesn’t lose a ton of weight again. That seemed to hurt his endurance.
Oh. Yes, that could have been misleading.
I also wrote the wrong year. 2011, not 2010.
I need more coffee.
According to Pitch F/X, he became a two pitch pitcher..
Normally he throws his FB 76% of the time and last year it jumped to 84%. He hardly threw his slider and changeup. He threw his curve more often as well.
The scary thing is his velocity dropped on everything, by a couple of ticks. He also saw less movement horizontally on his FB. So it was slower and moved less. This could be a red flag for injury.
@charliedrysdale
He has thrown his fastball between
79 and 85% of the time since 03. He has always been a sinker guy, and has always used either a curve or a slider (usually not mixed).
84% could still lie within a standard deviation, but..
The past three seasons he threw his fastball 68, 78, 76% of the time. So 84% is quite the increase over what he was doing, especially 68% in 09 to 84% last season. That’s significant in my view. Especially since 2009 was the season where Cook showed the most success.
@charliedrysdale
well again
he was beyond horrible last year, but his walk rate was beyond outlier. I don’t really know what to expect from him right now, but I will say that while watching Cook’s starts are uncomfortable, I’m much more uncomfortable with selling low on a fairly well-established commodity who is one of the only long-term veteran presences on the team.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
How big of a hit?
UZR/150 (-1.8) and DRS (-2) did not like Barmes’ defense at 2B. Even Total Zone said there was a drop off from 09 to 10.
Is Nelson that bad a defender? Also, Nelson’s bat couldn’t be much worse than Barmes’ last year, so I bet it shakes out about the same.
it's Uggla all over again
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I don't like Nelson because of those errors he had in the All Star Game.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 30, 2010 9:37 AM MST up reply actions
Would I get banned if I posted the Faces of Uggla picture every time someone says something negative about him?
Not really.
That was a horrible offensive thing you did.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 30, 2010 9:54 AM MST up reply actions
As long as SDcat doesn't have a banhammer
NO
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 10:06 AM MST up reply actions
UZR and DRS are sabremetrics crap
You just have to watch Barmes to realize that he is a pretty sure handed guy. His offense won’t be missed but his defense will.
I did watch Barmes last year, quite a bit, and
Barmes, 2010 =/= Barmes, 2009. He was not as responsive to the ball off the bat. It’s not that he is not sure handed, it’s that he just didn’t move as well.
Also, do you know how those metrics work?
And what if I told you that anecdotal observation (assuming you’re not a scout) is crap?
by breaking positions into fielding zones
and then seeing how many balls a player gets to in those zones relative to league averages?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
then there's some stuff about
errors and double-play/outfielder arms
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
easy there tiger
Who’s to say that UZR and DRS are crap and the layman’s “eye test” isn’t complete crap?
by Andrew Martin on Nov 30, 2010 9:56 AM MST up reply actions
The eye test isn't any sort of standardized measurement, but I completely empathize with the UZR suspicion.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 9:58 AM MST up reply actions
I do as well
but to call it sabremetrics [sic] crap is an insult to the work put into it.
by Andrew Martin on Nov 30, 2010 10:09 AM MST up reply actions
Derek Jeter had the second fewest Out of Zone (OOZ) plays of all Shortstops last season..
He also had a -4.7 UZR. So I think there is some merit to the defensive stats. Andrew McCucheon however has a -14.4 UZR and Carlos Gonzalez has a -2.2 rated ARM. So sometimes these rating need to be taken with a grain of salt.
@charliedrysdale
Which everybody generally does here
I just don’t always include that standard disclaimer when referencing it (if I did, it would read: there are lots of reasons to suspect the UZR or other advanced defensive metrics, but when used in tandem and read over several years, they are an effective and quick, albeit non-comprehensive, way to reference the defensive abilities of a player).
Well RoxandRoll called it crap measurement..
so I was adding some weight to the argument.
@charliedrysdale
I think people also forget
that UZR is based off of league average, so if player X’s UZR is +2 and then the league average next season increases by +5, and this dude does the same thing, he’s at -3. I really do wonder though how much the average shifts, +5 doesn’t seem realistic.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
also,
just for the record, UZR did like Eric Young’s range last season. It didn’t like his propensity for errors, but whatever…
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go away
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I'd be willing to be that Nelson's bat would be a significant improvement over Barmes'.
And if I’m not mistaken his projects pretty well defensively, no? Better than EY2 at least.
I haven't played since High School 20 years ago
But pretty certain that after a couple of weeks of shaking off the cobwebs I would be better defensively than EY.
look how wrong you are.
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EY2 made some amazing plays last year..
he also made some amazingly stupid plays. He just needs more time, and focus.
@charliedrysdale
we don't really know how he projects
he was an average to below average shortstop so there’s some reason to assume he would be fine at 2b.
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The Other Big Change
is Lansford for Baylor which is a huge win. Lansford was with the team in September 2007 when they made their run as (I believe) he was the AAA hitting coach that year. If he can just get Ianetta to .260 he could become that RH bat we are looking for.
I'm still not a big believer in the overall impact the hitting coach actually has on offensive performance, but if Lansford can, in fact, jumpstart his "Big 3"...
… in Stewart, Iannetta and Smith, then it’ll be a win for sure.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 9:06 AM MST up reply actions
I agree with you somewhat
But their approach was as poor as could be last year. Not watching Barmes plte approach might also help.
Their approach was often flawed, but how much of this is actually Baylor's fault is entirely impossible to figure.
A coach can give all the right advice and still have his players fail miserably. Ultimately, the performance is always on the players first and foremost.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 9:08 AM MST up reply actions
I did feel like under Baylor
a lot of our guys started hitting way more fly balls than they ever did – and our k-rates were really high – Stewart and Iannetta never struck out 28% of the time in the minors and usually were around 22%. But then again, who really knows about any of this, and if I recall correctly, Stewart and Iannetta had pretty crappy line drive rates in the minors.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Ianetta
seems best to me when he is going to right center. He’s got power to all fields and he seemd to get pull happy at times last year. Stewart has a ton of holes in his swing, I keep having to remind myself he is only 25 but I just don’t have much faith in him.
Stewarts swing frustrated me to even look at last season.
It was so torqued and contorted (optimized for giant, upper-cut home-run swing), it didn’t have a chance against a lot of pitchers. I just don’t remember his swing being that way when he first came up and hit over .300 pretty effortlessly, and was great against left-handed pitching. I think you have to implicate Baylor in some of Stewart’s struggles.
Lower his hands, shorten his swing, relax his stance…SOMETHING! Because that dude is just too good of a hitter to be striking out all the time and wallowing around .260
The K rates did go up ~2% under Baylor, but this could also be related to players like Stewart and Fowler joining the tea full time in 2009 too, and may have happened under any coach.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 9:26 AM MST up reply actions
team*
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 9:27 AM MST up reply actions
Ultimately
it’s really impossible for us to disentangle Baylor’s influence from simply moving from AAA to the MLB. I just find it odd that guys who were never such k machines in the minors all become them simultaneously in the majors.
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Ahh....
Got no sleep whatsoever. I kept trying to comprehend it. This just came outta nowhere. Now I don’t have to worry. I don’t hafta worry if he’ll go to an evil team. I don’t hafta worry who will be my favorite player in 2015 and after. Tulo is my favorite player forever and always. FOREVER. 2020. He’ll be 36 then. 2020. That’s a whole different decade. And now we’re gonna get Jorge too! This can’t be real, it’s just a dream. But it isn’t!!
Last night I had a lot of things to write for my classes today, the largest of which is an article about the Broncos for the school paper. I was ready to “go to bed”- just about to retire to my room and stay up a few more hours and finish up. I had to post somethin on cragslist for my dad. After I was done, I was bored and decided to click on the little t on the Rockies toolbar that said there was new news.
“Rockies close to signing DLR” Wat?…..Naw, really?
I clicked on the story that led me to the Rockies website.
“Rockies are close to signing DelaRosa……3 years” Wow that’s awesome!
“After the news that the Rockies agreed to a 7-year extension with Tulowitzki that would keep him with the club til 2020…” WHAT?!!!! NO WAY! GIT OUT!!!!!! OH MY GOD…
“What’s wrong?” my mom asked.
“Oh, nothings wrong. EVERYTHING’S RIGHT!!!!!”
I could not finish my stupid McD story I could not concentrate. I started hyperventilating when I told my sister. I started dancing. I could’ve cried, but didn’t. I felt like screaming, but it was past 11.
This is the best thing ever.
“I love the Rockies” on a night they didn’t even play. No one hit a walkoff homer. We didn’t win the World Series (yet). The Rockies hit a home run and Tulo is with us.
ForeveR.
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 9:09 AM MST reply actions 5 recs
awww PIP!!!! never-ending rec for this post
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"Evil team"
lol
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 9:27 AM MST up reply actions
Awesome stuff PIP
And I love this
We didn’t win the World Series (yet)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 9:35 AM MST up reply actions
I think many of us feel the same way this morning.
I’m having a very hard time concentrating at work. First, the Jets won on Thursday, everything fell into place so that when Arkansas won Saturday it left them in position for the Sugar Bowl and now the Rockies have enticed me to buy a Tulo jersey because I won’t have to worry about needing to replace it for 10 years.
Oh, and rec’d.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY WOLFMARAUDER!!!!!!!
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SECANTED
For a guy, who loves transactions, this has to be the best present ever. : )
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 9:20 AM MST up reply actions
Thanks. :)
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 9:27 AM MST up reply actions
HOLY CRAP!!!
The Rockies gave Tulowitzki $119million from 2015-2020. Tom Tango just published THIS WEEK a regression model for aging superstars to predict performance longterm. There are already estimates for market value of $$/WAR, which escalate with inflation. At any rate, Tango estimated Tulo’s worth from 2015-2020 using his fresh new methods, and you know what he’s worth?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 9:23 AM MST reply actions
DOD has some smart people surrounding him, methinks
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This. Is. Awesome.
And obviously the Monforts must have bought into it to write the check, too.
Mile High Moneyball?
Ok
So, we still need another catcher, probably another outfielder, probably another backup infielder, and maybe a pen piece. We have 7-8 million to work with, maybe. It is going to be a tight fit, especially if they blow 6 million of that on Willingham.
That's why I expect it to be more of the Cantu/Barajas/Francoeur grab bag
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 9:24 AM MST up reply actions
I'm a big two birds/one stone guy.
And if it means giving up Rogers plus a C+/B prospect to get one of those guys, it’s worth it. DLR’s contract means it’s less imperative to have Rogers around as a bridge to Friedrich, Matzek, etc.
I think DLR's contract means we need to move Rogers NOW!
Before we waste him in long relief roles. At this point, his value will only go down.
We can't move Rogers
we’ll need a 6th starter/long man in the pen. Rogers is ideal for that and very affordable.
by BringItHome on Nov 30, 2010 10:49 AM MST up reply actions
Rogers is a very recent top prospect
And has a great live arm. Those have much more value as an actual starter than a god damn long man, who could only actually affect the standing if he beamed Pujols in the head. You need to maximize the value of this guy before he rots as the long man.
(beaned)
(and “beaned” implies being hit in the head, so beaned in the head is a redundancy)
by Andrew Martin on Nov 30, 2010 11:05 AM MST up reply actions
can you plunk someone without beaning them?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 30, 2010 11:25 AM MST up reply actions
You can if your name is Tim Wakefield.
by Rox Fever on Nov 30, 2010 11:32 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Brilliant.
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by hitting them in any "not head" location, then yes
by Andrew Martin on Nov 30, 2010 11:36 AM MST up reply actions
Well, now there is one option that might be considered
a beaning…
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Im all for trimming the fat with position players
but I’m comfortable with stockpiling arms. He may have more value to us than to most other teams. But I guess if he can be used to acquire Napoli or something of that caliber I’d be okay with it…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Paulino could fill this role as easily as Rogers could,
and Rogers has much more trade value than Paulino.
the first point
Rogers has decent trade value but I don’t think it’s enough to get what we need and I hate the idea or relying on Paulino in the rotation.
by BringItHome on Nov 30, 2010 11:13 AM MST up reply actions
Well, ideally we won't have to rely on Paulino in the rotation.
He’d just be insurance, and I’ll reserve judgment on how reluctant I’d be to see him make some spot starts until Apodaca gets a chance to work with him.
And I think Rogers’ trade value is much higher right now than it ever will be if we convert him into a full time reliever/long man this year. He’s very young and has plus stuff-I think he’d be a pretty strong chip in a trade for somebody like Napoli or Willingham.
What would you rather have
Insurance or production. I’ll take production, so trade Rogers.
And honestly, I couldn’t give a rats ass about a long man.
I really want to keep Rogers
Because otherwise Paulino is our first reserve for the rotation and no-one wants that (probably, I should maybe give him a chance to prove himself).
I really want to keep Rogers because he is an awesome guy
But even though he’s a slightly less scary option as our #6, he still almost instantly became our easiest MLB-ready trade chip when DLR agreed to terms. I wouldn’t be hesitant to include him in a package for a Willingham or Napoli type just on those grounds.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 12:45 PM MST up reply actions
that just leaves us so vulnerable
if one of our starters goes down which is a near certainty it seems like. I would do that trade as well but then who’s our 6th starter in the event of an injury? and please don’t say Paulino.
by BringItHome on Nov 30, 2010 12:51 PM MST up reply actions
As usual, we're going to have Paulino plus 2-3 minor league options.
Rogers was nothing more than one of those minor league options last year.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 2:06 PM MST up reply actions
I really would like Mike Napoli.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
Does Napoli speak Spanish?
I’m really not being sarcastic.
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No, but Iannetta does. Just has a little trouble with some English/Spanish homonyms.
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And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 11:09 AM MST up reply actions
Sort of
But not really. He may serve as a backup to 1B, as Napoli would too. But I would expect them to still sign a Mora/Hall type backup as well.
Willingham in LF platoon and 1B is what would happen if he came over here.
They wouldn’t give up what the Nats want to add a part time 1B.
Bill Hall would be a nice idea depending on whether/where a good bat is acquired.
Yes
But they would still look for another backup infielder. Someone who can play SS, which neither EY or Herrera have done.
Herrera has played 25 innings at SS in the majors
and a ton there in the minors.
His defense there in the minors wasn’t bad.
Herrera has been a shortstop for almost his entire career in the minors....
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 9:44 AM MST up reply actions
I think someone else thought this too, earlier.
Not sure where the perception comes from, but all of our younger second base possibilities except Young (meaning Herrera, Nelson, Gomez) have been primarily SS in their career.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 9:48 AM MST up reply actions
I think I looked at Youngs position playment
And some how got that mixed all up with everyone elses. I should have known when I started thinking Harerra had played center field.
My misconception came from Frazier and Goodman
When Herrera first appeared at second base.. They discussed he had been a second baseman almost his entire career in the minors and would be a good fit because the learning curve would be so small.
He was primarily a shortstop, but did play a fair share at 2B the entire time too.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 12:30 PM MST up reply actions
Is it possible
that if we put Morales on ritalin or some anti anxiety drug that he could be a valuable piece or is it just time to move on.
I still believe in Franklin Morales. I know that puts me in the minority but I’ve seen too much potential from him to throw that baby out with the bathwater just yet. But he’s gotta show something in the spring.
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Right there with you, pal
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As I've said many time on the podcast, Morales always feels to me that he's gotten every chance in the world, and yet it's still not enough.
I get the feeling that I’m simply never going to drop the possibility that somewhere, sometime, he’s going to click.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 9:30 AM MST up reply actions
I would hate
to give up on Morales. I still think he is capable of having a De La Rosa type epiphany in his late 20’s. He just seems to have a serious case of the yips while on the mound.
Well, unless he's non-tendered on Thursday or traded (or injured), he's going to get at least one more look as a left handed reliever
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 9:46 AM MST up reply actions
I think he needs a shot at the rotation..
and if he can’t do that, we don’t need him. He can’t be trusted to come into a tight game and not blow up. I would rather see him get in a rhythm, blow people away and then get pulled when he’s in trouble.
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As of the DLR signing, there's no chance he's breaking in there.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 9:55 AM MST up reply actions
It’s nice to know that he’s there as an emergency starter along with Rogers, but the bullpen is his spot.
By the time we'd have any need for an emergency starter, he'll probably have been shifted back into the one inning role for too long to consider him for that.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 10:03 AM MST up reply actions
I wouldn't say no chance..
Pitchers are a flighty bunch, and you never know who will fall on their face. Hammel didn’t make it into the 6th in any of his last 4 starts. Aaron Cook is still a question mark. As good as Chacin was last season has still never opened the season in the starting rotation.
@charliedrysdale
I can pretty much guarantee you that Hammel's last four starts would have absolutely no chance of displacing him from the rotation in favor of Morales.
Chacin will be starting in the rotation as well. By the time there’s enough evidence to displace him if he struggles, Morales will most certainly no longer be stretched out. Unless a rotation spot opens in the first 2 weeks of the season, Morales will not be the replacement.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 12:32 PM MST up reply actions
I want him traded if he doesn't
/is the next JLDR
/kicks self
by Andrew Martin on Nov 30, 2010 9:59 AM MST up reply actions
I'm with ya, just like Muzia & cat
I'm GoRockies!! everybody :P
by CentralCaliRox on Nov 30, 2010 1:10 PM MST up reply actions
Hey,
that worked for Scott Eyre.
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Jose Lopez is still my choice for infield utility.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 9:28 AM MST up reply actions
I'd rather have a dead body fitted for a uniform
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this guy here is dead!
two Icehouse 24 oz beers = $3.20 two "fancy" Bud Light 24 oz beers = $5.00
NOW who comes out on top?
by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 30, 2010 9:30 AM MST up reply actions
Why don't you like Lopez?
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 9:30 AM MST up reply actions
He can't get on base
His lifetime OBP is under .300. And he never had good fielding numbers until 2010
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 9:31 AM MST up reply actions
because a dead body would likely outperform him?
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Not quite...
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 9:37 AM MST up reply actions
Got any morgue connections?
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 10:03 AM MST up reply actions
I will bet you $50 today that the corpse of Honus Wagner would outplay Jose Lopez
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corpse of Omar Vizquel
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too soon
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Ha!
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by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 30, 2010 12:27 PM MST up reply actions
Done.
How can we find it? No re-animating allowed.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 10:14 AM MST up reply actions
Omg
do you realize how much money the team could make by then linking this with weekend at bernies?
For more information about Weekend at Bernie’s, please go here.
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Weekend at Jose's
Is it 2011 yet?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 30, 2010 12:27 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
If Mora would come back, I wouldn’t be opposed. I think he’s a pretty good fit. But I don’t think his presence would compel the Rockies to give Helton a bunch of days off to play him at first base, and I think the Rockies need to do that with Helton, loyalty and career marks be damned.
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Is it looking bad for Mora coming back?
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Depends on if somebody gives him a starting job.
I don’t think people are lining up to get him right now, but his performance last year showed that he may still be worth giving a shot at third to.
(which he probably isn't)
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I don't think we'll have the money to bring him back
AND plug our other holes. Mora is really only useful off the bench and at the corners. Middle infield (though we have 3 already), outfield, catcher, and reliever are still open…
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I don't know about UNrealistic, but less realistic.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 9:31 AM MST up reply actions
Not with you here
Hall is another guy who whiffs a lot. All things being equal I would much rather have Mora back here becausehe usually puts the bat on the ball.
Agreed...
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 30, 2010 1:12 PM MST up reply actions
its tulopalozzaaaa in here
wooo
LETS GO RED WINGS!
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by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 9:23 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Soooo...
anyone still wanna trade for Greinke?
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If someone takes Cook for prospects, he would fit in the payroll!
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 9:27 AM MST up reply actions
We should sign DLR
to a 3/30 type deal.
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trade cook and arenado to the braves for Uggla!
two Icehouse 24 oz beers = $3.20 two "fancy" Bud Light 24 oz beers = $5.00
NOW who comes out on top?
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Uggla Power!
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Why are you ruining TuloDLRopalooza day?
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Just trying to show you the real Dan Uggla

The one that goes left and right, and gets low on ground balls.
nice back end there.
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That ball being behind him is an optical illusion
/bangs head on desk for not checking picture more carefully
you have to relax your eyes.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 30, 2010 10:02 AM MST up reply actions
his defense is like a schooner...
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 30, 2010 10:17 AM MST up reply actions
apparently he's "ready to leave KC"
sooooo lets get him
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I don't think there is a question as to why they signed Tulo now.
Think of it as advertising.
Broncos: Cutler gone, young face of franchise sent packing. (Yes, people are still upset about this). 15 losses in 20 games. Spygate II. Nothing bright to look forward to.
Nuggets: Melo wants out, and they don’t really look all that amazing with him, even though they should. Hard to be optimistic.
Avs: Actually a decent team, but people just don’t care in Colorado.
Rapids: We’ll see what the championship does for them.
Rockies: Cheap owners, all the good players are gonna be on the yankees soon anyways, so why should we care if they are good now…WAIT WTF WHAT DID THEY DO!?!?!?! Looks like the Rockies contribution to the Young 3 (Cutler, Melo, Tulo) is gonna stick around.
This not only keeps DLR and Tulo with the team, but it seriously works as the best freaking off-season advertising I could think of.
Avs: Actually a decent team, but people just don’t care in Colorado.
Wrong.
Well, kinda. The Avs are borderline elite.
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I'm trying super duper hard to get into hockey this year.
It seems like the Avs have a ridiculous amount of young talent, but they really need to shake the injury bug they’ve had so far.
whatever you do, make sure to watch the Avs vs Lightning game on Saturday
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no, but it matches the two most electric young offenses in the league
I’m actually counting down days to a Tampa Bay Lightning game. That’s how excited I am
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offense is tops in the league
defense is average (somehow)
goaltending should be top third
special teams are both above average.
All WITH the most games lost to injury in the conference
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I have a difficult time calling the Avs defense Average.
And the offense is going to break down now that half of it is injured. And I have a hard time calling any team in the NHL elite. But, it’s not an argument for the rockpile.
statistically, it's accurate. I'm not joking, I had to look it up.
and that’s with Ryan Wilson being Ryan Wilson.
You underestimate how gawdawful the Eastern Conference teams are defensively
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defense is average (somehow)
They just got Matt Hunwick though.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 10:12 AM MST up reply actions
I know, I woke up at 4am and started writing an article about this
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yeah, holy crap
Hannan???
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yeah, you wanna go OT?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 30, 2010 10:24 AM MST up reply actions
they saw the Rox moves
and wanted to say “hey, look at us too!”
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 30, 2010 10:24 AM MST up reply actions
And yet people don't care
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by Jeff Aberle on Nov 30, 2010 10:03 PM MST up reply actions
is it really necessary to come in 12 hours later just to crap on hockey?
by Andrew Martin on Nov 30, 2010 10:11 PM MST up reply actions
No, but I'm finally getting around to reading all the comments.
I’m not crapping on hockey, just concurring with roxintober. It’s just not that popular anymore here.
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by Jeff Aberle on Nov 30, 2010 10:31 PM MST up reply actions
Not sayings its bad because its Great
Its just we spent a ton of money on being the same team we were last year.
We still haven’t spent any money to improve the team yet or get over the hump.
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Tulo was out for 6 weeks
DLR was out for almost 2 months.
It may be the same players, but it’s not quite the same team
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Sorry but injuries shouldn't be that big of an excuse
Depth wins championships
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 30, 2010 9:58 AM MST up reply actions
I thought pitching wins championships
by Andrew Martin on Nov 30, 2010 10:04 AM MST up reply actions
The Giants this year may have proved that it's luck
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 10:13 AM MST up reply actions
well of course its everything
but if people get hurt its the team and organizations job to have people that can fill in and pitch, play defense and hit
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 30, 2010 10:08 AM MST up reply actions
the season was killed by the miserable 13 game collapse
by Andrew Martin on Nov 30, 2010 10:15 AM MST up reply actions
This season was killed by Dotel.
Damn guy owes us that pick, and that better turn into the next someone awesome.
this is silly
but getting a pick would be superb
by Andrew Martin on Nov 30, 2010 10:27 AM MST up reply actions
we just need to make some good moves from here on out
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 30, 2010 9:59 AM MST up reply actions
it's hard to beat the DLR deal
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yes good move
but once again he was a Rockie last year as well
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 30, 2010 10:00 AM MST up reply actions
Still need some more legs for next year
You’re right. Now they need to land someone who can make a difference. Where is that right-handed bat?
by Real Perspective on Nov 30, 2010 10:21 AM MST up reply actions
I WILL NEVER BE SATISFIED!
hahaha
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 30, 2010 10:01 AM MST up reply actions
I certainly don't disagree that upgrades in the form of new players would be very nice.,
But it’s also pretty easy to imagine a scenario where “the same team we were last year” gets a lot more done than they did last year.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 9:50 AM MST up reply actions
the bad part is
now we never get to see what Tulo could do in a contract year….
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lol
I’ll start marking days on my calendar
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What's funny is how Tulo's contract will effect Jeter's..
He’s effectively set the market and now Jeter can point to this contract as proof for the Yankees to overpay him.
@charliedrysdale
I really hope Jeter's not comparing his situation to Tulo's.
Well, then again I kind of want the Yankees to overpay for him, so nevermind. Hold out for 10 years, Derek!
Chacin still in
Looking better all the time.
by Real Perspective on Nov 30, 2010 10:19 AM MST up reply actions
Woulnt Jeff Baker have been the perfect bench player for this team?
He could back up 1b, 2b, 3b, play some OF, and he is a rhb that killed lefties to the tune of a .908 OPS against them. Why did we end up moving him? Wasn’t it because there was no room on the MLB roster for him? Stupid Garret Atkins.
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by jcd823 on Nov 30, 2010 9:55 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Yes, I agree and pointed this out last offseason when we were looking for someone that would eventually become Melvin Mora.
It’s unfortunate, but ultimately inescapable. The move made sense at the time.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 9:57 AM MST up reply actions
Stupid Garret Atkins!
Plus we already had a fun thread for Baker that we could play off on whenever he started.
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Fangraphs just posted an article about the Colorado moves
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I HOPE IT SAYS WERE THE BEST TEAM EVER
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it's not optimistic...
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If the worst thing anyone can say about the deal is “I would have waited another year to do it at least” then I think that’s generally pretty positive.
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by Franchise26 on Nov 30, 2010 10:02 AM MST up reply actions
Plus if Tulo hits like 40 dingers and wins MVP or something next year,
this would have cost even more to do.
maybe Tulo
made a pinky swear to do what he did this September for every month of the contract.
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That's worse than bringing up Uggla today
The Colorado Rockies, however, think everything is going to be just fine. That’s really the only conclusion you can draw from the decision to extend Troy Tulowitzki‘s contract through 2020. This contract isn’t really about the player, as much as it is a bet on significant inflation returning to baseball salaries.
Umm, how about the way contracts have been given out to elite players so far during the recession? And to non-elite players this year? Is he equating salary increases in private sector businesses to MLB salaries? That’s nonsense. The talent pool and competition among employers is totally different.
Injury risk, like SSS is to performance evaluation, is a caveat for every long-term deal and is not a real analysis. Other than the false analogy and that general caveat about risk, there is nothing here.
Assuming there isn’t a total collapse of the economy, this deal and Mauer’s deal will hold up as no worse than market until the very end of their contracts.
I rationalize it this way
Tulo is going to be the best offensive/defensive player at his position in all of baseball for the next 4-7 years. There are few other players in baseball that you can make that claim about. I’m ecstatic that we’ve locked him up. Well don DOD.
by BringItHome on Nov 30, 2010 10:59 AM MST up reply actions
Basically, the article says
that the Rockies are not going to bet against America. hooray.
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Rec'd. Awesome.
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what are the odds that Tulo is the best SS in baseball in 4 years
I would argue pretty good, if we had just signed the best player aged 29 years at the most premium position in baseball to a 6/120 deal would everyone be so uptight?
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by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 30, 2010 10:53 AM MST up reply actions
Has anything been said about a no-trade
Is there a no-trade clause in Tulo’s contract? Or DLR’s for that matter?
I can almost guarentee a no trade clause for Tulo
DLR, on the other hand, might only get a partial NTC
Renck: No no-trade clause, just 2 million penalty if traded.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 12:37 PM MST up reply actions
Woah. That is a huge effing deal.
That pretty much kills the “even if he performs well” element of the argument that Tulo’s contract will strangle the team in coming years. Basically, unless he falls off a cliff, I have a hard time believing this won’t work out at least as a wash for the Rockies.
Don't believe I've seen anything along those lines.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 30, 2010 10:14 AM MST up reply actions
My question exactly.
No trades can take away options that may surface years from now.
by Real Perspective on Nov 30, 2010 10:16 AM MST up reply actions
Considering the size of the contract
And his importance to the team, the only way we would ever try to trade him is if something goes wrong, and his contract should prevent any trade like that. Even if there is a NTC, the contract would still essentially be untradable.
any player with 10 years in the league 5 with the same team has a no trade clause
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Tulo had a really weird clause in his original contract
it said that if he was traded, his contract became void. Which meant that any team that traded for him would get him for his remaining arbitration years. Not sure but that might still be in there.
by black_knight101 on Nov 30, 2010 10:21 AM MST up reply actions
didnt Hawpe have that too?
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Good thing I didn't wash my Tulo jersey yet, haha.
It would’ve been bad luck : P
But today I wanted to wear my Tulo shirt to school, but it was dirty. : (
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by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 10:14 AM MST reply actions
Any Tulo jerseys for sale out there?
Oh, yeah. I guess thiis means Tulo jerseys are gonna cost a lot more now, because you can keep wearing them almost forever.
by Real Perspective on Nov 30, 2010 10:17 AM MST reply actions
The Rockies will change their uniforms in 2014
The new Tulo jerseys everyone buys will mean the Rockies can afford both Cargo and Ubaldo. It’s a perfect plan.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 10:21 AM MST up reply actions
I still wanna make a petition to bring back the purple jerseys.
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by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 10:22 AM MST up reply actions
/secret handshake
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by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 10:25 AM MST up reply actions
I'm wearing mine now
Science! It means whatever you want it to!
by realmenwearpurple on Nov 30, 2010 2:45 PM MST up reply actions
Awesome!
/jealous
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by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 2:48 PM MST up reply actions
Tebow has an edge
he’s thrown one more Touchdown pass than Tulo.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 30, 2010 10:37 AM MST up reply actions
He's thrown a touchdown on every pass he's attempted I believe
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 10:43 AM MST up reply actions
Tulo and Todd and Cargo and Ubaldo, hopefully.
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by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 10:39 AM MST up reply actions
If Melo signs the extension it will be
Tebow, Melo, Tulo/Ubaldo and…..some hockey guys who I can think of
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by Jeffrey Morton on Nov 30, 2010 11:00 AM MST up reply actions
his name is Matt Duchene
learn it, love it.
by BringItHome on Nov 30, 2010 11:01 AM MST up reply actions
Tu-baldo?
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by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 30, 2010 11:13 AM MST up reply actions
Whoo Hoo!
122 days until Opening Day!
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woooo
LETS GO RED WINGS!
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by TuLoRocks2008 on Nov 30, 2010 11:29 AM MST up reply actions
JUST READ A UPDATE ON TULO AND ITS OFFICIAL. HE IS NOW SIGNED THROUGH 2020. ITS A 7 YEAR EXTENSION ACCORDING TO WHAT IS WRITTEN ON THERE. READY TO GET SEASON TICKETS.
This is so awesome
I may have to move to Colorado now
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 11:12 AM MST up reply actions
I AM MOVING TO COLORADO SOON. I WILL BE THERE FOR OPENING DAY.
by Roxman4ever on Nov 30, 2010 11:14 AM MST up reply actions
Have you ever lived there before?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 11:16 AM MST up reply actions
Awwww
I like my username. Maybe I could be RhoheIslandRoxfaninColorado?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 11:17 AM MST up reply actions
Ah
That’s a good idea
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 11:26 AM MST up reply actions
or just sttraight up RIRF.
And people will be all “what’s it stand for?” and you can say “Oh…” and pick the acronym of the day : )
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by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 11:29 AM MST up reply actions
me? Trying not to yell. You will know when I am yelling.
by Roxman4ever on Nov 30, 2010 11:25 AM MST up reply actions
NO YELLING ON THE BUS
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by El Paso Jeff on Nov 30, 2010 12:41 PM MST up reply actions
I would just like to say this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inpRaoYdQOI
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by RoarFrom112 on Nov 30, 2010 12:05 PM MST up reply actions
Kids
This morning when I was taking my 7 year old (look at picture at right) to school. I told him that Tulo was going to be a Rockie when he was a freshman in high school. He went WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT? I said yep. He gave me a big ol hug and then looked at me with a straight face and said. WHAT ABOUT CARGO? I just about lost it. I was laughing so hard. 7 years old and already a Diehard Rockies fan. All I can say. YAHOO!!!!
This is a wonderful story
Your kid is funny. As soon as he heard Tulo was signed through 2020 he was ready to get to work on the next contract.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 11:31 AM MST up reply actions
He'll be a Rockie when he's a junior/senior in high school too.
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by Jeff Aberle on Nov 30, 2010 10:09 PM MST up reply actions
Hehehe
Listening to New York radio and Yankee fans are angry that Tulo got a huge contract and the Yankees still don’t have one for Jeter.
This is such a great day.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 11:38 AM MST reply actions
Man,
I can’t wait til Opening Day even more now. I have a good feeling Tulo will sign my jersey this year : )
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by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 11:38 AM MST reply actions
Wow
Just saw the news; can’t believe it. I am extatic to say the least. But I have a couple of questions.
First off, how in any way could this be a bad thing? I’ve scrolled through the comments and noticed all the links to articles detailing the negatives of this, but I don’t really understand them. Can someone explain?
Also, why wouldn’t we continue to go after a guy like Pavano even though we’ve locked down JDLR for a couple of years? Don’t get me wrong, I think JDLR is a fine pitcher, but I see comments talking about this guy as a legit number two, yet I see him much better suited as a top tier number three’s.
Overall I couldn’t be more excited about today. But I will say this: The Rockies window is now! Guys like CarGo and Jiminez don’t just come along every day. So while the Rockies have Tulo and JDLR locked down for a couple more, I think it would be shrewd of our owners/managment to try and push us over the top while we can. Our current lineups is certainly strong, but we still need one more All-Star caliber player before we can contend in my opinion.
I'll reserve the optimism for the 17-win seasons; now is the time for scrutiny.
Josh McRoberts you STIFF!!!
The reason some feel that it's a bad thing is because of the risk of a career ending injury
Happening at some point before the term of his previous deal expires. If said injury was to take place after that 2014 season, he would have already signed a six year $120 million deal anyway with the Rockies or somebody else. I honestly think that’s a relatively small risk for a player Tulo’s age, and I think some people are just scared by the overall decade long contract.
How often do people his age (or for that matter people of all ages) suffer career ending injuries?
Just seems like paranoia if you ask me.
I'll reserve the optimism for the 17-win seasons; now is the time for scrutiny.
Josh McRoberts you STIFF!!!
by GoldenNugget on Nov 30, 2010 11:55 AM MST up reply actions
a pure career ending injury
like Juan Encarnacion’s is rare. But guys like Eric Chavez who are awesome but then become very injury prone are more common – though not too common.
Personally, I think he’ll be more or less fine through age 32. Thats my somewhat arbitrary cutoff point for when age becomes problematic.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
and this is where the discussion becomes moot, because his FA contract year
would have happened before he turned 32, and as long as something flukey didn’t happen, like his production diving off a cliff before that, he still would sign for something similar. The Rockies are gambling a little, but not too much. The odds are pretty high that Tulo will survive with a similar line of production over the next four years or we as Rockies fans wouldn’t be as excited about them as we are.
There are things
that are more valuable than money. The biggest thing that this deal does is it gives hope to fans that ownership is committed to putting together a winning team – and gone are the days of the Rockies not keeping their best talent.
The organization is committing to win a title now – and this proves it.
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see I don't understand how
this shows the team is committed to winning a championship now. To me it sort of looks like the opposite. The Rockies are committed to keeping one of the fans favorite players who looks like he is going to produce with the best in the league for sometime. I don’t think that this move makes us any stronger for 2011. It feels as if the commitment is to continue to build support from fans rather than truly commit to winning a championship in the next few years. I love this deal, but we are not any closer to a championship then we were last year
It shows that the team
is willing to pay money to keep it’s best player from going elsewhere. Why would they pay Tulo all that money if they refuse to put in some other pieces around him to take us to the world series again?
Why would someone as driven to win by Tulo sign this deal if they didn’t assure him that they would do everything they could to get a strong cast around him to get him back to the world series?
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I don't know
you could be right, I hope you are. This move makes me feel that the Rockies top priority was to keep Tulo and sign JDLR. They could have something up their sleeves for the rest of the off season.
Where's my antirec button?
Are you forgetting the MASH unit we were in the first 3 months? Hopefully we have a healthy Street back, a completely healthy Tulo and a healthy DLR. That’s 3 major pieces that might as well be “new” pieces.
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Again I hope your right
I’m not saying that what we had last year wasn’t world series worthy. I feel like it would take a lot of luck to get this team into the world series as it stands now, but at least some luck may be required for any team to make the world series. I think the Rockies need at least one more elite player. These moves show that getting such a player was not their top priority. (well JDLR is such a player so but other than that)
Considering the Winter meetings haven't even gotten underway
I’d say DOD has more up his sleeve. :)
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I don't understand your reasoning here.
These moves show that getting such a player was not their top priority.
Tulo’s extension doesn’t affect our payroll at all for the next three years-his contract remains unaltered through 2013.
As for Jorge, as you said, he fills a position of definite and immediate need. I just don’t see how signing a talented FA pitcher and extending their best player for likely the rest of his career indicates that the Rockies have no intention of getting a top player. They still have the money left over to take on a contract like Napoli or Willingham, and signing De La Rosa makes Rogers an appealing trade chip for getting just such a player.
And it avoids the need to trade a potential important piece of the offense for a pitcher.
Maybe Stewart will fulfill his potential, and maybe not. (And maybe Fowler, Smith, and Iannetta will, too.) But at least there won’t be a need to fill a hole at 3B. DOD can focus on getting a RH bat and someone who will provide rest for Helton (and insurance in case his back and/or eyes are a problem this year), rather than worrying that trading away a pitcher (such as Rogers or Morales) would leave the rotation short-handed.
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I sort of agree and disagree at the same time.
It’s a commitment to the same franchise model and plan that the team has been developing pretty much since the Larry Walker trade. Develop their own MLB worthy young players and then keep them until they are no longer valuable or committed to the franchise. So it’s only an indirect commitment to winning since the model has happened to work for the most part.
We are closer to a championship than we were last year, just because the aging curve continues to favor us with the team remaining as it was (so long as we can replace Olivo somehow) but you’re right that a true commitment to winning now would probably imply another elite player added this winter..
it has to do with the fact that the team is in contention right now
it’s not a “hey, look, we’re keeping helton while we go through a horrible rebuild”, it’s “hey, we’re competing, and we’re not going to let our competitiveness end because Tulowitzki goes to the Yankees”
by Andrew Martin on Nov 30, 2010 1:08 PM MST up reply actions
They also didn't use any of the 2011 budget to extend Tulo
so they’re no farther from a championship either.
And if you really think the only benefit to keeping Tulo until 2020 is to make the fans happy, I suggest you watch a little more closely when Tulo is on the field.
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by Junction Rox on Nov 30, 2010 1:45 PM MST up reply actions
I did suggest
that Tulo was going to produce with the best in the league for sometime
I believe the club would also have the option of insuring the contract
So that they could collect on insurance if Tulo were injured and unable to play out the whole term. I could be wrong on that, though…
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by Junction Rox on Nov 30, 2010 12:18 PM MST up reply actions
The main arguments against the Tulo extension are
1) The average annual value of the extension, ~$20m, could be above Tulo’s value for his age 30-35 seasons, and/or not a discount based on his performance through age 29. Both of those assumptions rest on there being little or no inflation in salaries over the next ten years. If it’s just the latter, it means that the Rockies could have waited another year or two to gain more certainty about the level of Tulo’s play meriting a contract of that size.
2) Tulo’s salary will likely account for somewhere between 17-25% of the team’s payroll between 2015-2020. This will certainly force the Rockies to be creative when locking up other young stars, and when filling out their roster in the winters.
3) (This is the worst) Tulo is injury prone (because he strained his quad, cut his hand on a bat shard, and got hit on the wrist by a pitch), and the Rockies handed a sizable portion of their payroll to a guy that suffers a lot of injuries.
All of those arguments are bunk for various reasons. The only one that carries weight in my mind is number 2, but the Rockies are built for success over the next 2-3 years and the continuous additional revenue will make it easier for the team to keep payroll closer to $90-100m when Tulo’s extension kicks in. That would mean Tulo’s salary would be closer to 20% of payroll than 25%, which is a big difference.
Number 1 is largely predicated on a prolonged US recession, but that seems dubious. Even if it happens, teams are spending ridiculous sums of money on mediocre players this off-season. Scarcity, or perceived scarcity, will always drive up the price of players. Since Tulo would be a premier SS hitting the open market at 29, there is as much of a chance that he would command well above $20m as him making the same or less four years from now. Number 1 also says nothing about whether Tulo will continue to be a good player; just that the same contract could have been given in the future when there is more certainty about a player’s performance.
I honestly think #2's being overly simplified by a lot of people.
Not only for the payroll inflation reasons you mention, and keep in mind that the Rockies will have a new, likely much more lucrative television deal in place then as well, but also because Tulo generates a considerable chunk of the Rockies gate revenue, and the Rockies know it. And like I was mentioning in the Sabernomics FanShot Andrew posted, the Rockies are one of two teams that actually know how a decade long extension for a franchise player plays out. While a lot of people are assuming that the Rockies are repeating a mistake they made with Helton, I’m now thoroughly convinced that from a strict revenue standpoint, they got their money back from the Helton deal, and they see the same opportunity with Tulo.
Totally agree about the Helton contract
Most of the value from Helton was front-loaded, but it’s easy to forget that in ‘07 and ’09 he racked up over $36m in value according to WAR. That’s pretty f’ing good. There’s no denying it blew to have that cost (no matter his occasional performance spike) on the payroll from 2006-2010, but they made it work. And without the creative restructuring/extension, they might not have had the money to do the DLR deal this year.
Not only do they know the pitfalls of such a contract, they know how to work around it if it does go south.
However, it concerns me that Ubaldo and Tulo would eat up about 35-40% of payroll if Ubaldo is also signed to an extension. There’s also a peril to signing Ubaldo until age 35. Yet, if he continues to perform well and doesn’t show signs of wear, it would be a big blow to lose him. Hopefully there is a middle ground (a 4 year extension?) but that might be difficult given the length of Tulo’s.
In 2006, Helton made 40% of the Rockies player payroll by himself.
the next year, the team was in the World Series and despite what Passan or others might think, it wasn’t completely luck that got them there. Like you say, I think the team has an idea of how to build around the impediments of bulky star contracts. Looking forward to the team’s other needs at that point, there are already cheap, quality options developing.
One other point, both Tulowitzki and Jimenez have player ambassador benefits, Tulo to Rockies draft picks and free agents, who will see how the Rockies treat their own, Jimenez to the D.R. I think the Rockies will try to sign Jimenez after this next season and will break their three year rule with him. I’m guessing four plus an option and I think Jimenez might take it.
That would be an awesome day.
Ubaldo’s both ridiculously talented and another absolute class act. He’s definitely next on my wish list.
I love this team.
The "mistake" of the helton contract is an urban legend
I don’t think its quite as bad as the Todd Helton bandwagon jumpers-offers want it to seem.
And yes in 2018 and 2019, there will be several people, probably on this blog, talking about how stupid the Tulo contract is and how it is an anchor around our neck and how its an excuse to not sign the current hot FA to a huge Yankee-esque contract ..etc, etc
Ok I’m just gonna enjoy this now and not focus on what may happen in 8 years jeez
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by El Paso Jeff on Nov 30, 2010 12:49 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
The mistake was everything they did from when Helton's contract
was signed until around 2005. But if payroll couldn’t go higher than the point where Helton’s contract made up 40%, it was legitimate to criticize the team for offering the contract. Similarly, if the management drives the team off a cliff or some unforeseen financial disaster happens, it will be fair to criticize the team vis a vis the Tulo contract because they never should have offered it if they didn’t think they could keep payroll to the point where Tulo’s salary would compose less than 25% of it.
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by Jeff Aberle on Nov 30, 2010 10:17 PM MST up reply actions
Here would be my responses
1) Are people blind here? Tulo is clearly, already, a top 10 player in the league. Other than maybe Albert Pujols I can’t think of any player I would rather have than Tulo. We’re talking about guy who was already the best SS in the league after only three years, and a legit MVP candidate every single season. Bottom line: there is litteraly NOBODY I can think of that I’d want locked up more than Tulo. Also to your points, the ecomony will get better, inflation will occur (like it always does) and last I checked 30-35 is still pretty much the prime of your career in baseball. If we’re complaining about overpaying him by a few million at age 35 then we dont’ deserve to have a plyer of Tulo’s caliber on our team.
2) Again, if you want to win, you have to spend. That’s just the nature of having a superstar-franchise player. The nice thing with baseball is that rookie contracts cover quite a bit of ground, so you can have All-Star players like Cargo and Tulo on your books for 4-5 years making small amounts of money. Ultimately you have to pay them too if you want to keep them, but it should lighten the load for a significant portion of time.
3) Every player in every sport risks injury. In my eyes, Tulo isn’t injury proned. He strained his quad or whatever but it’s not like he missed the entire season over it or anything. I think people are being way too paranoid over this.
I'll reserve the optimism for the 17-win seasons; now is the time for scrutiny.
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by GoldenNugget on Nov 30, 2010 12:12 PM MST up reply actions
Like I said, they're mostly bunk.
Sometimes people write about contracts as if they’re the first ones ever signed, and nobody knows the risks of injury or changes in the market. That’s why the first (which is my attempt at summarizing Dave Cameron’s article) is just nonsense. It ignores the realities of elite free agent contracts, and only assumes the negatives about the US economy and salary inflation.
It just comes down to subjective Risk vs Reward
Any long-term contract is going to be risky for all these reasons. The potential downside has been stated pretty well above.
The potential upside is that you have a potential hall-of-fame player secured through basically his entire career and have the opportunity to build a serious franchise. If there’s any player in the game you don’t have to worry about not giving 100% after getting long-term security it’s Tulo. The guy is driven like very few others and doesn’t accept second-best. I’ve come out against anything longer than 5 years, even for Tulo but I have to give DoD and the Monforts credit for being willing to do this. There’s a lot of potential upside here.
Also the ownership and front office have now officially endorsed Tulo as the player-leader of the team. It marks the point where he now has the clout that only Todd Helton has had in the past. I don’t think it’s any coincidence that the team started having legitimate runs at the playoffs at the same time Tulo came to the majors and the importance of his ambition in the clubhouse, tempered just a bit by some maturity he’s gained the last few years shouldn’t be overlooked. The first proof of this will be the team’s approach to spring training this year.
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by RoarFrom112 on Nov 30, 2010 12:26 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
There also may be some sportwriters who are bummed that they won't have a "where will Tulo sign?" storyline in a few years.
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by glaucophane on Nov 30, 2010 12:20 PM MST up reply actions
I almost wrote one last week
Who knew that Muzia’s love is like a rock tied to your feet, dragging you to the bottom of the ocean?
Still hates Tulo, but is quickly losing momentum.
Loves (and misses) Galiardi.
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How dare you!
Naw, honestly, I’ve been having nightmares about having to choose a different favorite player and stuff.
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 12:23 PM MST up reply actions
Well, you'll have another chance in 10 years...
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by glaucophane on Nov 30, 2010 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
This is why Russ made you the hockey guy
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 12:48 PM MST up reply actions
no, that's because I'm good.
Who knew that Muzia’s love is like a rock tied to your feet, dragging you to the bottom of the ocean?
Still hates Tulo, but is quickly losing momentum.
Loves (and misses) Galiardi.
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They already were writing stories.
HAHAHA Kiszla.
I want to see him eat this article.
122 more days until the Rockies Home Opener!!!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 12:47 PM MST up reply actions
I like this comment someone posted today.
How do you like your crow served Kiszla?
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Just looked at MLB.com- it's so beautiful;
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 11:48 AM MST reply actions
Please do.
I love it.
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WalMart isn't the biggest retailer because of their prices...
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yes it is.
Lesbians love mullets.
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cosined.
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 11:51 AM MST up reply actions
Aren't those some of the prettiest words any Rockies fan could see? Next up:Cargo, I want to see at least a 2 or 3 year extension on him.
by Roxman4ever on Nov 30, 2010 11:52 AM MST up reply actions
(I don't want to extend Cargo)
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Carlos Beltran
plus, I don’t want to become the Cardinals. I want financial flexibility and the ability to add complementary pieces.
Besides, Cargo would return a metric ton of cost controlled talent in a trade 3 years from now.
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Agreed.
I think the writing is on the wall for Cargo after this extension. That’s just the price of doing business for a mid-market team. The bounty he will bring back if he continues to progress will be a) amazing, and b) necessary to sustain the organization from 2015-2020.
Now, this pic just makes me happy in my pants
/happy dancing
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happy in your pants?
0_o
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You know, makes me wanna dance!
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False!!! That's scurrilous and you are reading into it!
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I don't know
but I did hear on KOA this morning that the 2:00 thing is supposed to be mainly for Tulo, I think they’re gonna have another conference for DLR later (?)
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 11:58 AM MST up reply actions
Is MLB Newwork going to have the press conference?
122 more days until the Rockies Home Opener!!!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 12:01 PM MST up reply actions
I have no idea.
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 12:02 PM MST up reply actions
I'm watching MLB Network right now...going to stick around to see if they have it on
(watching program about Roberto Clemente……/sniff)
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I hope they have something
I recorded everything from 4:00 o’clock on before I left for work today
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 1:42 PM MST up reply actions
Probalby not.
I’m sure there’s lots of Bronco-talk to rehash.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some more groundballs. Its more democratic. - Crash Davis
Haven't yet read all 644 comments, and I'm sure this has already been mentioned.
But LOL at the new Purple Row graphic.
I'm loving it.
Also:
Purple Row- A Troy Tulowitzki Blog
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 12:17 PM MST up reply actions
It sure is today!
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some more groundballs. Its more democratic. - Crash Davis
a couple of really talented guys went all in on that masterpiece
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Oh THAT's what RMN was asking help for...
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 12:22 PM MST up reply actions
ahem.
and ladies.
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pretty sure you weren't there...?
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I mocked several of these
up with RMN a couple of weeks ago actually.
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pretty sure you weren't there
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I have our reliever.
Scott Downs.
Just turned town arbitration.
Not a closer.
Type A, but worth it.
DO IT O’DOWD.
Oh no
I’m not giving up a first round draft pick for a reliever
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 12:55 PM MST up reply actions
that depends on what that first round pick is going to be.
Casey Weathers or Rex Brothers? Sure. Tyler Matzek or Kyle Parker? No thanks.
This is true
I just don’t like giving up first round picks unless we are getting a really, really big impact player in return.
My theory is that over the years, you want as many first round picks as possible because even though you do miss sometimes, you’re more likely to be successful with this pick than any other. A first round pick almost every year is a great first step to keeping the farm stocked.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 1:05 PM MST up reply actions
Type A is never worth it for a reliever
Unless you are absolutely desperate. IMO he would be our 7th inning guy at best.
If we truly need bullpen help, which I personally doubt, I would have just kept Delcarmen.
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
Here's the details, rec it or something, people should know.
Here’s a breakdown of the deal over next 10 years:
2011: $5.5 M
2012: $8.25 M
2013: $10 M
2014: $16 M (one million was added as part of extension)
2015-2019: $20 M
2020: $14 M with $6 million in escalators for Gold Gloves, All-Star game, etc. Includes a $4 million buyout.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
by Resolution on Nov 30, 2010 12:55 PM MST reply actions 3 recs
I'm just so unbelievably ecstatic.....
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I like that his salary drops the last year.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
yeah, exactly
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Awesome deal.
I will miss the PC :(
I'm GoRockies!! everybody :P
by CentralCaliRox on Nov 30, 2010 1:17 PM MST up reply actions
my god.
how is he going to eat?
two Icehouse 24 oz beers = $3.20 two "fancy" Bud Light 24 oz beers = $5.00
NOW who comes out on top?
by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 30, 2010 2:17 PM MST up reply actions
I hope Jim Tracy says it's a "special contract"
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 2:04 PM MST up reply actions
Tracy could have his own drinking game.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some more groundballs. Its more democratic. - Crash Davis
I'm not seeing it on MLB Network?
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Thanks Holly :)
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He looks really uncomfortable in a suit and tie
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I generally think all baseball players look uncomfortable in street clothes.
Since I very rarely see them in anything but uniform.
feels better in the back of an El Camino with a six-pack of Natty Light
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An El Camino is hot
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I'm sure you know my answer.....decidedly NOT
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I find them both unattractive
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Tulo drinks PBR. 100% guarantee it.
Says he thinks it’s actually pretty good; doesn’t understand irony.
Someone just asked a really long question that Tulo didn't want to answer.
Couldn’t hear the question. Annoying.
I suspect it's something to do with the Yankees and Derek Jeter
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I love it...he says if we don't win a World Series it's a failure...:)
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So Melo signed his extension?
Oh wait, wrong SB nation site…
GO TULO!
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FFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!! That's just mean lol
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hahahaha
This is what we’re waiting for next isn’t?
Maybe Ubaldo gets extended next summer?
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Talk to Melo
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Then Kiszla can be completely wrong
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 2:49 PM MST up reply actions
Tulo says he is serious on the field, but has fun with the best of them, too. You can ask his teammates.
Now I really do want someone to ask his teammates.
Also, it sounds like Tulo has an awesome agent, at least one that DOD really respects
and enjoys working with.
same as DLR
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Cardinals get Theriot
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EXCELLENT
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And you said the Cardinals were stuck with no payroll flexability
/oh wait, nevermind
"Don't be pushed by your problems. Be led by your dreams."
I hate being wrong :-(
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Kinda wish I could hear the questions being asked because it seems like O’Dowd’s getting a bit catty.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
Yep. And I'm really glad he mentioned him....
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My enthusiasm is a tempered
but I’m still kinda giddy about that fact that Tulo is going to be a Rockie foreverandeverandeveramen.
Score a goal. Unit. Basket. Go squadron! Do good! Defeat the opponents soundly in this...skirmish.
Well done!
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After listening to that press conference
I just want to say that I’m so proud to be a Rockie fan. Not because of what just happened with Tulo but because of what the organization values. I truly believe DOD was speaking from the heart threre when he talked about integrity and giving back to the community; his actions have reflected the words he just spoke.
122 more days until the Rockies Home Opener!!!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 2:46 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
Welker press conferences?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 2:51 PM MST up reply actions
Just the Rockies really
The only Boston team I really like is the Bruins.
I don’t have a favorite NFL team. I just watch for the action when there’s no baseball and root for good storylines to play out. (I do have some NFL teams I strongly dislike however)
I’m indifferent to basketball.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 2:58 PM MST up reply actions
Bruins rule.
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They have been sucking lately though
Maybe they could try not falling behind 3-0 every game before starting to outplay the other team.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 3:00 PM MST up reply actions
Follow the Aves.
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Loves (and misses) Galiardi.
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Oh I follow them (your stuff helps with that quite a bit)
but it’s kind of hard to REALLY get into them when you can’t see any of their games.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 3:04 PM MST up reply actions
I hope Cohen plays for the B's soon
I have a serious crush on the kid. What are your thoughts on Hunwick?
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Loves (and misses) Galiardi.
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I don’t rec posts. But I rec’d this because I feel the same way. It’s a great organization to root for.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
Why don't you rec posts?
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So that when I do, it means something.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
That’s wildly arrogant sounding – let’s just say I’m miserly with post recs because I only want to rec the best of the best. Stuff that either makes me laugh out loud or say ‘Amen’ aloud. And I guess I do that less than most.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
I'm the same way
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by Jeff Aberle on Nov 30, 2010 10:25 PM MST up reply actions
I also liked that DOD made sure to point out that Tulo isn't the only player
that will come up to his office (or Geivett’s or whoever else’s) to ask questions, share concerns, etc. I like that the communication appears to be so open both ways. I’m pretty positive not all teams are like that.
This.
And I’ll drink to that : )
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 2:51 PM MST up reply actions
My favorite!
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 2:53 PM MST up reply actions
Just caught the last 10 or so minutes.
Will it be up on the sight to watch whenever after?
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
And apparently you have to have been a member of the forum for 48 hours to be able to chat
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Aw that sucks
I wanted to able to chat. Anybody on here been member for 48 hours?
122 more days until the Rockies Home Opener!!!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 4:15 PM MST up reply actions
I can't it is running in Java.
Is it 2011 yet?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 30, 2010 4:22 PM MST up reply actions
What are you going to ask him?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 4:17 PM MST up reply actions
I think I would ask him if he would consider
a Rollie Fingers mustache next year.
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
Which one of your teammates did you talk to first after you signed your deal?
Answered: He talked to Todd first. Todd told him he had to pay for everything
Is it 2011 yet?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 30, 2010 4:27 PM MST up reply actions
HAHA
Thanks man
I’m so angry with mlb.com right now. I feel like a little kid outside with his nose pressed up against the window of a bakery and can’t have any of the desserts.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 4:32 PM MST up reply actions
Hmmm...
I haven’t been a member of the forum for 48 hours, so I can’t see the chat. Anyone want to copy down the transcript?
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
Does that mean you can't see the chat at all?
Or just can’t ask questions? I got the same message and am wondering.
The Colorado Rockies aren't a team, they're an armada.
Can't see
But then again, Lodo just said that there’s some technical difficulties, so there’s no chat to see anyway probably.
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
They should have the transcript up pretty quickly.
(There’s a list of past chats, and one is from yesterday. So they seem to get those up promptly.)
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We are experiencing technical difficulties and questions cannot be submitted at this time. We will provide an update shortly.
Is it 2011 yet?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 30, 2010 4:15 PM MST up reply actions
via Renck
Odowd said he talked to Ubaldo and that they are open to new deal for him after this season
Nononononono, let’s not go overboard here. Please. Longterm deals for position players are one thing, but I’m not comfortable extending Ubaldo past 2014.
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This doesn't surprise me since I just mentioned I saw it happening after this season.
And while it makes me a bit queasy, it’s not entirely unwelcome news. We’ll see what the team works out, but the Rockies really don’t have another horse to hitch their wagon to when it comes to the rotation. They aren’t going to be signing a Cliff Lee or other premiere free agent, it’s either going to be Jiminez or bust until/if Matzek develops.
Seems like our discussions of our "Core Three (Plus Chacin IMO)"
Have lead the FO to maybe go overboard with it
Rocktober is not a time of year, it is a religion.
additional Tulo chat stuff:
-Troy wants to play here for the rest of his career
-gave a lot of credit for his September numbers to the video guy Jimmy Hartley
-wants to get to 100 RBI and play for a World Series next year
-wants to set the franchise record for post-season games played
-going to have several of the minor league guys work with him in the spring
-winning a GG meant more than winning a SS
-said he hasn’t yet been to the new spring training fields in Scottsdale
Is it 2011 yet?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 30, 2010 4:46 PM MST reply actions
Awesome stuff
Thanks Lodo Magic Man
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 4:51 PM MST up reply actions
The fact that Tulo said he wanted to get 100 RBI's makes me wonder how much he follows Sabermetrics
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 4:52 PM MST up reply actions
Probably not much at all
He’s a ballplayer, not a mathlete
The Colorado Rockies aren't a team, they're an armada.
With all due respect (seriously)
what makes you think he (or any other player really) would follow SABR stuff? I’d be shocked if he could even name a SABR stat. And its fair to question if following SABR type macro stats would really help a player at all. Components, sure (LD%, % swings out of zone, etc) but not the mainstream WAR type stuff.
I know it is fashionable to bash on Wins and RBIs and whatnot (and with good reason) but to the guys in the game, that stuff still REALLY matters. Which is why I’m still disappointed Uball didn’t get his 20. No doubt we can all say it didn’t matter, but I’d bet a bit that he’s really disappointed about it.
Oh I wouldn't expect it
I’m just curious if he does.
You’re right when you say players probably do get upset about not getting stuff like 20 wins. It’s just that Tulo seems to possess intellectual curiosity and I’m wondering if that’s ever led him to look at sabermetrics; even if it’s just basic stuff like OBP and OPS.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 6:28 PM MST up reply actions
Lets also be clear here
RBI’s are absolutely meaningless as predictors of talent.
RBI’s are still very meaningful. You knocked a run, it means that run scored, plain and simple. Whether it’s more a function of good timing/lineup construction is irrelevant to the individual – they executed in a big spot. I still like RBI’s a lot and if I was a player, I would want as many as possible just because.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
eh, they're more indicative of coming to the plate with runners on, which has nothing to do with you
by Andrew Martin on Nov 30, 2010 9:08 PM MST up reply actions
Spoken like a true sabermetrician ;-)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 9:10 PM MST up reply actions
I think this is totally valid
but also an oversimplification.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
it is, but the RBI is a fundamentally flawed stat.
The issue I have is that if I come up to a diehard RBI man, and I say “well this guy had the same batting line as you but 40 fewer RBI, what’s the deal with that?” and their response is something like “They just don’t have it in the clutch” or whatever, that’s where I have trouble.
Also the means of acquiring an RBI are flawed. Grounding out should NOT give a batter credit for anything other than making an out. Sure, his team can high five him when he gets back to the dugout, but the fact is that he made an out, and he did not succeed in getting on base. That’s not something that should be rewarded by the books IMO. Especially when a DP rewards no RBI, and the difference between a groundout and a GIDP has nothing to do with the batter, but rather the opposing defense, yet a defender doubleclutching and not sealing the DP suddenly rewards the batter who effectively grounded into a double play an RBI because you can’t assume the error on a DP that wasn’t finished.
by Andrew Martin on Dec 1, 2010 9:23 AM MST up reply actions
Even before SABRthought (somewhat) corrupted me
I always thought RBI (and sacrifice, and error) rules were pretty inane, as you demonstrate. Particularly the DP rule, it makes no sense even on its own terms.
Depends on your viewpoint
Your position is the SABR view. To Tulo, I doubt he’d be at all dismissive of context like that. ABs are not all context-neutral to the players.
No, you're right
but frankly, I don’t care WHAT Tulowitzki focuses on in his game, provided he keeps up his level of performance. If he likes RBI, sure, rack ‘em up, kid. Whatever. I’m just going to continue to look at his slash lines and homers as the measure of his performance.
by Andrew Martin on Dec 1, 2010 9:25 AM MST up reply actions
Totally fair, of course
I just thought the discussion was more about what Tulo does/should think about.
I honestly was just messing around with Resolution
Other people took it to be a bit more serious, so here we are.
by Andrew Martin on Dec 1, 2010 2:41 PM MST up reply actions
Tulo on KOA now.
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
Hmm
Says he is open to anything regarding hair and music. Says he won’t do a mohawk because it will look too good and whatever he does has to be ugly, haha.
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2010 5:09 PM MST up reply actions
HAHAHA
That’s pretty funny
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 6:36 PM MST up reply actions
We need to brainstorm the perfect walkup music for Tulo.
I’ll volunteer my 7-year-old to write a letter requesting it, if Tulo only honors requests from kids.
"Are they called the Rockies because they rock?" - 7 y.o.
How about "I won't back down"?
That seems to fit his personality.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 7:22 PM MST up reply actions
Nah...you think people think he's douchey now.
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There's nothing douchey about that song
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 7:36 PM MST up reply actions
No, but combined with the perception of him by some.....
If it were me, I would advise against it.
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From Buster Olney:
Heard this: Jorge De La Rosa turned down multiple offers that were larger in order to re-sign with the Colorado Rockies.
Grain of salt, and all that. Though it does seem to mesh with what we’d been hearing prior to yesterday. And Troy Renck did mention somewhere that JDLR was ultimately hesitant to start over again somewhere, especially given that he likes working with Apodaca.
This is great to hear
The last 24 hours just keeps getting better and better
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 6:37 PM MST up reply actions
If the Rockies somehow establish themselves as a great place to work
within the seemingly rigid confines of baseball – that could be a huge, huge boost for attracting talent – not only at the MLB level but also potentially that talented ballplayers go to college/high schools in CO where they can presumably be more heavily scouted by Rockies staff (like the way the Braves have Georgia on lock).
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--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Someone pinch me
So….. an MLB pitcher….
[reportedly] turned down better offers from east coast teams (albeit crappy ones)
to pitch…. in Colorado?
Good show, Rockies!
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by RoarFrom112 on Nov 30, 2010 10:27 PM MST up reply actions
Man, I should have come by earlier
I had a crappy crappy day, and this went a long way towards cheering me up. It sucks, not living near enough to Denver that I would have found out right away anymore. So, on the one hand, it’s not helping my homesickness, but it DID make me smile a lot.
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KOA is awesome: playing Tulo highlights for bumper music.
I believe in the future, the reality of the present, the sweet memories of the past, living is more than breathing, spring will came if we wait, patiently, believing, hoping. But the winter is long and we must endure its cold. I believe in the future, the reality of what is to come, the sweet memories that are yet to occur, probably, eventually, someday.
And I believe in hope and anticipation: the idea that we’ll meet again, and counting down the days until we do.
Huh...Makes one wonder what's going on with the Padres that they didn't/couldn't resign Tejada or Torrealba...
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Cheapfarts?
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
Zomtober!!!
by Colsportsfan on Nov 30, 2010 6:34 PM MST up reply actions
And Chris Young maybe to the Mets
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Torrealba wants to start and wanted 2 years
The Padres are gonna give Nick Hundley more playing time so they wouldn’t want to promise Torrealba a starting role or multiple years.
Tejada is a journeyman veteran at this point in his career, and $6.5M is a lot to pay a guy when there’s likely someone available who will provide similar value for cheaper, whether internally or externally.
by Andrew Martin on Nov 30, 2010 7:00 PM MST up reply actions
Uhh
Giants had to grab some headlines with the Tulo signing.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 30, 2010 6:35 PM MST up reply actions
They are going to be paying him more than Tulo next year
HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 6:39 PM MST up reply actions
Man too bad I went to bed early w/o realizing all of this happening
Of the 3 (Tulo, Cargo, Ubaldo) we could had gave a big long term contract to, I am so happy it was Tulo. The guy is a leader, plays solid defense, puts up solid offensive numbers, and he is a complete and total competitor (which means I don’t have to worry about him getting lazy because of the big money). So extremely happy about this, Now I’ll get the joy to watch him play throughout his entire career, something I wasn’t able to do with Helton.
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
Zomtober!!!
On top of the Tulo contract
I’m very glad DLR deiced to come back. I had a feeling he may come back giving what the Rockies did to turn his career around and the fact that the other teams he could had sign with for a better contract were not contending teams (Pirates, etc). Both News makes me smile.
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
Zomtober!!!
Only big move we really have left
is a “impact” RH batter. The rest such as relievers, and back up catcher can pretty much be picked up from scraps
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Huh our very own ATF is being quoted on Yahoo Sports as a critic of the Tulo deal
What say you Andrew?
Andrew T. Fisher, Purple Row: The obvious reminder of the risk is just across the diamond, scooping Tulo’s throws from the dirt. It remains to be seen whether the contract will be worth it, but if you were to construct the perfect player to give a ten year deal to, it would be a young power hitting shortstop with fantastic defense and an unnatural drive to compete. Moreover, at least one of Troy Tulowitzki, Ubaldo Jimenez(notes) and Carlos Gonzalez would be extended past 2014 anyway, and Tulowitzki was the easy choice of the three. The Rockies wanted him here for years after 2014, and now they do.
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I'm convinced that the national media (as a group)
are just mad that the east coast teams are never going to have a shot at Tulo. So now their reaction is “this is a bad deal for the Rockies because they aren’t one of the God Almightly big market teams”.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 7:33 PM MST up reply actions
And what they don't realize is that Tulo wants to turn the Rockies into a team the people associate with winning more than go to a team that's already known for it
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 7:35 PM MST up reply actions
Exactly.
The curious part of this is that they are cherry picking ATF’s entire post. And only including that which skews their negative critique.
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Wow,
Someone just read the first 5 words and didn’t even bother to think about what Andrew was saying. Good job Yahoo.
Actually, Mark Townsend's a Rockies fan and regular reader
He used to write for Bugs and Cranks before getting this well deserved gig. Be nice to him.
I talk with him on twitter quite frequently, just this afternoon discussing our hometowns
I still wish that portion wasn’t quoted, not only because it isn’t representative of my overall opinion, but because I wrote that section after 12:30. I’m not sure I actually had my eyes open.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2010 10:08 PM MST up reply actions
Personally,
when I read this hours earlier, I didn’t read it as misinterpreting Andrew at all. Also, critics give positive reviews so I’m not sure if Andrew’s comment being lumped in with negative opinions makes his negative by association.
Lastly, I think if people are making this about how the media doesn’t want to see a star player sign with a team that isn’t on the east coast… well, I think you’re going too far…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
People on New York and Boston radio actually lamented today that Tulo would never be going to a big market team
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 30, 2010 9:29 PM MST up reply actions
Because
NY fans think the grass is always greener there. Actually, it’s littered with piles of dog feces.
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Because NY fans are arrogant enough to think that only place any player could possibly ever be is NY
(present company excluded)
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I think this fact
is very different from saying that the negative reactions around the web are due to people lamenting that Tulo won’t play on the east coast.
If you’re telling me that big market teams with the money to sign top talent are upset over them not being able to sign such top talent – well I think they have every right to be upset, and I would just take it as a compliment that we’ve put ourselves in an enviable position – ignoring the hypocrisy of the media by slamming the deal saying it’s too risky and then saying we wish we could sign him…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Seems to me it's pretty clear that the entire piece was skewed towards the negative
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The piece totally was
but only because the quotes sans Andrew’s were negative. My point is that his cautiously optimistic quote doesn’t become a negative one just because it’s lumped in with other negative quotes. The writer of the blog was just presenting opinions from around the internet.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
no time to read
just give me the gist of it.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Just rewatched Tulo's comments via the video at DP
Man, this just solidifies that this guy will do everything he can to bring Denver a WS.
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Bring Rockies fans a WS*
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 30, 2010 8:34 PM MST up reply actions
Ack!!! You're right!! my bad!!
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