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Sunday Rockpile: Blackmon, Garner beneficiaries of Rockies off season. Duncan, Stewart closer than ever.

According to Thomas Harding, Colorado still has some free agency money left to spend, but a healthy chunk of it may be headed toward a quality reliever, especially given what that class of player has signed for thus far this winter. The leftovers of the money pot will likely go to providing more catching and rotation depth. Along with Mike McKenry and Matt Paggnozzi, who are mentioned in the linked piece as having a shot to backup Chris Iannetta, this means that two of the biggest beneficiaries of the team's moves to date may be minor league outfielders Cole Garner and Charlie Blackmon.

Before the winter began, they seemed likely to be returning to the farm for the start of the season, but in the absence of a proven OF upgrade being acquired, or even available anymore, Garner or Blackmon should have a legitimate shot at cracking the roster this Spring. Meanwhile, because of all the activity on the infield, it seems more likely to me that two of the Rockies young infield trio of Jonathan Herrera, Eric Young Jr., and Chris Nelson will be heading back to Colorado Springs to start the season. From an offensive perspective, this might actually be ideal, since the bats of Blackmon and Garner project to provide the team more (or in Nelson's case compared to Garner's projection, as much) punch. Young's still an option as an IF/OF, but a team needing offense probably should look to stock as many quality bats on the bench as possible.

Could the Rockies really be trying to emulate their division rivals and the current World Series champions Giants? Not only does the Ty Wigginton signing seem suspiciously like an attempt to replicate San Francisco's surprise success with Aubrey Huff, but he's alternately called a "gamer" and a "grinder" in separate articles by East Coast writers in brief blurbs noting his departure from Baltimore. These were also two words used to market the relatively safer, docile Giants of 2009. That said, while there are some unsettling similarities, there are some unsettling differences, too. When the Giants signed him last winter, Huff was cheaper, and while just as young, had previously posted considerably better seasons during his peak than Wigginton.

After the jump, an Ian Stewart/Eric Duncan retrospective:

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The Rockies signing of Eric Duncan this past week is interesting to me, just because there's been this curious parallel between his career and Ian Stewart's, despite the players coming from opposite coasts, starting before the two were both drafted in the first round in 2003:

From Stewart's bio on his Baseball-Reference wikipage:

In 2002, Stewart was on the USA junior national team and hit .329 while slugging .532 as their first baseman. He batted .462 and slugged 1.048 as a high school senior and Baseball America named him to their high school All-American team. The other players picked for the non-1B infield slots were Brandon Wood and Eric Duncan.

Because of their pre-draft hype and because Duncan was a relatively local pick for the Yankees, fans for both Colorado and New York heaped huge expectations on their picks. Rockies fans wanted desperately for Ian Stewart to become what Evan Longoria would for the Rays, while Yankees fans wanted desperately for Duncan to be Ian Stewart. Seriously, for several years you couldn't read a report about Stewart without some Yankees fan bringing Duncan up.

After the draft, both rocketed to immediate success, and even the chances of reaching our wildest pipe dreams of the future seemed promising for each prospect...

Dayn Perry, Baseball Prospectus, 2004:

Among Wright, Marte, Dallas McPherson (who's been absolutely amazing this season) and less advanced guys like Eric Duncan, Ian Stewart, Andy Laroche, Matt Moses and Jamie D'Antona, we could be headed for golden age for third basemen in the near future.

Knowing his style, Perry may consider himself sort of correct about the whole golden age thing, but unless Stewart does have a breakout, his list only includes one of the third basemen that I would consider part of it. At any rate, for a time, it even seemed to Yankees fans that Duncan had passed Stewart in potential value...

Yankees blog, Nomaas.org, 2005:

Best hitter in the Arizona Fall League

Yankee prospect, Eric Duncan, leads the Arizona Fall League in OPS with a whopping 1.244.

This puts him ahead of Brandon Wood, Lastings Milledge, Ian Stewart, Daric Barton, Stephen Drew, Howie Kendrick, Kendry Morales, Billy Butler, Ryan Garko, Brendan Harris, Matt Kemp, Josh Anderson, Matt Murton, Andy LaRoche, Nick Markakis, Michael Johnson, Jarred Ball, Dan Uggla, Chris Denorfia, Reggie Abercrombie, Jarred Saltalamacchia, Brandon Moss, and Alex Gordon.

But then again, the Yankees have no farm system, right?

Right. At any rate, some might say the hype proved too much for both guys by the following season, but I think we saw a sort of natural ebb that occurs in the rise of many prospects save for a few potential Hall of Fame worthy types. Nonetheless, they were still getting grouped together...

Chris Constancio, Hardball Times, 2006:

He's a fine prospect, but the hype surrounding Stewart has probably gotten a little out of control. The distance between Stewart and someone like Eric Duncan might not be as significant as you think.

Stewart rebounded, Duncan continued to tread water, or worse, as he was a candidate for demotion from AAA by mid-summer 2007, even after switching to first base, and by Rocktober it seemed that the two would go on completely separate paths, except that the twist of Alex Rodriguez opting out of his contract that fall made the Yankees have to momentarily give lip service to alternatives, but not Duncan:

Tyler Kepner, NY Times, November, 2007:

Garrett Atkins? Not available, according to Rockies' GM Dan O'Dowd. "Ian Stewart needs some more time to develop," he said.

...so let me just fill in the blanks, the inability of the Yankees to fully develop their third base prospect in four years created an opportunity for the Rockies that was thwarted by our own franchise's inability to do the same. Still, by this point you would figure that Stewart would be seen in a different tier from Duncan, right?

Baseball Daily Digest, March 2008:

Top 50 Hitters (prospects) according to Rob

...

40. Eric Duncan

41. Chris Pettit

42. Pablo Sandoval

43. Tony Thomas

44. Ian Stewart

...

...yeah, the Internet, folks.

Anyway, that insignificant distance between Stewart and Duncan that Constancio referred to is for the time being going to be about 90 miles between Denver and Colorado Springs. Duncan had the powerful New York Yankees hype machine working for and then against him, Stewart was, for a time, a Baseball America and prospect watcher darling which also brought some unfair expectations. Now both are in the same organization.

While Duncan's star has certainly faded from those halcyon times, I'm actually quite pleased that we picked him up as depth. Despite the constant desire of the Yankees and their press to make him something he was not, he remains a relatively useful left handed hitter and could be a better version of Brad Eldred for us in 2011. Given that he's just entering his prime, the Rockies could find some real value from him over the next season or two.

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So is Duncan a 1st baseman now?

Was he a Minor League free agent?

"My eyes! The goggles do nothing!" - Rainier Wolfcastle

by BittenAnkles on Dec 12, 2010 11:19 AM MST reply actions  

Yes and yes.

Sorry I was gone all day, or I would have answered sooner. He was moved to first a couple of years ago.

by Rox Girl on Dec 12, 2010 6:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Off topic, I know. But… whoa!

by holly96 on Dec 12, 2010 11:41 AM MST reply actions  

holy crap!

Time for a new stadium?

"My eyes! The goggles do nothing!" - Rainier Wolfcastle

by BittenAnkles on Dec 12, 2010 12:12 PM MST up reply actions  

rec

You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
Baseball fans love numbers. They love to swirl them around their mouths like Bordeaux wine. ~Pat Conroy
JFK

by jrockies on Dec 12, 2010 12:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Glorious facility by all accounts.

Looking forward to parking my butt in one of those seats.

Go Bruce!

by Since1993 on Dec 12, 2010 1:06 PM MST up reply actions  

The baseball gods are still angry

at the baggie in right field.

From time to time, they show their displeasure.

Mediocrity sucks

by Maris6161 on Dec 12, 2010 2:48 PM MST up reply actions  

That sucks

and we don’t have any snow in Denver, and it’s supposed to be ~70˚ on Tuesday

You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
Baseball fans love numbers. They love to swirl them around their mouths like Bordeaux wine. ~Pat Conroy
JFK

by jrockies on Dec 12, 2010 12:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Apparently the

dome has collapsed before though. The question of how long it will take to put back up is unknown. Link

You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
Baseball fans love numbers. They love to swirl them around their mouths like Bordeaux wine. ~Pat Conroy
JFK

by jrockies on Dec 12, 2010 12:27 PM MST up reply actions  

didn't they have bridge collapse a few years back?

maybe Minny needs some decent contractors

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Dec 12, 2010 12:30 PM MST up reply actions  

yes they did

Must have been 07 or 08. The sister of the woman I was dating at the time has a photo of herself standing on that bridge two hours prior to collapse.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 12, 2010 12:36 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Yikes

much like most things with an air of tragedy they are much funnier when not personal

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Dec 12, 2010 12:37 PM MST up reply actions  

That bridge was rebuilt by a Longmont company

Just sayin’….does the ’mont do domes?

So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?

Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?

by Mondogarage on Dec 12, 2010 12:41 PM MST up reply actions  

I doubt there are many companies that do domes that large

I know at least up until last year, there was only one company that did retractable domes for sporting venues.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 12, 2010 1:47 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Well........I'm studying to be mechanical engineer sooooo.....

….meh, I’d rather not move out of Colorado so I’ll pass.

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by Hollidayrain on Dec 13, 2010 12:17 AM MST up reply actions  

engineers for the win

You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
Baseball fans love numbers. They love to swirl them around their mouths like Bordeaux wine. ~Pat Conroy
JFK

by jrockies on Dec 13, 2010 8:20 AM MST up reply actions  

^5

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 13, 2010 10:16 AM MST up reply actions  

Ryan goes to the Mariners

Our infield is probably set at Helton/Lopez/Tulo/Stewart/Wigginton and one of Nelson/Herrera/EY2. I found an interesting tidbit, though, that Lopez could be used at shortstop in a pinch since he originally came up as one, but moved for Yuniesky Betancourt (why?). He was pretty average, and is the same at second, so it is entirely possible that a Young or Nelson could beat him out and keep Lopez as utility, and 2nd option for starting. Besides, the team has to be going into the season believing Tulo starts 150 games.

The 2010 Colorado Rockies: We may have lost the battle, but not the war. It ain't over till it's over.

by MattBerger on Dec 12, 2010 2:08 PM MST reply actions  

Agreed.

I can see Herrera making the team out of that trio.

I'm GoRockies!! everybody :P

by CentralCaliRox on Dec 12, 2010 2:51 PM MST up reply actions  

True.

Very true.

I’d still like Garner to make it over EY, but you make a good point

I'm GoRockies!! everybody :P

by CentralCaliRox on Dec 12, 2010 2:55 PM MST up reply actions  

yeah. or even Blackmon

it should be an interesting ST with so much uncertainty at the 2B position

by black_knight101 on Dec 12, 2010 3:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Hmmm possibly

Never really crossed my mind that Blackmon could make the team NOW. Hm

I'm GoRockies!! everybody :P

by CentralCaliRox on Dec 12, 2010 4:55 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't see it

I don’t think they WILL have a dedicated 5th OF. Dex, Cargo, Spilly can all play CF (maybe not Spilly so much anymore), so they’ll likely have Cargo-Dex-Smith/Spilly platoon, and then Wiggy backing up the corners in odd situations.

by Andrew Martin on Dec 12, 2010 4:25 PM MST up reply actions  

I just don't think this makes as much sense your way.

Even though I know it’s a distinct possibility of what we wind up with. You’d have two people taking one job with little benefit for having the second guy around. With an extra OF, Tracy would have two legitimately useful bench bats rather than just one (Wigginton). I don’t know if people realize how terrible a hitter Spilborghs was last year.

by Rox Girl on Dec 12, 2010 6:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Huh? Spilborghs was a bright spot with that bat

3rd best wOBA on the team (.349). Sure, he was below replacement, but that was due to a UZR that was worse than all but three MLB outfielders (Quentin, El Caballo and Kemp)

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 12, 2010 6:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Oye... That's a good sign that I should put the baseball blog down.

I can’t really explain how I came to that error. I still think that another OF would benefit the team more, however. Given that my brain’s showing signs that it’s going into shutdown mode.

by Rox Girl on Dec 12, 2010 7:15 PM MST up reply actions  

... Given that my brain's showing signs that it's going into shutdown mode...

…I should probably wait on giving my full reasoning. Or something like that. I should finish my sentences before posting, too. Sorry everybody, I’m pretty distracted right now.

by Rox Girl on Dec 12, 2010 7:18 PM MST up reply actions  

I think that yesterday's TFOH is a good sign you should NEVER put the blog down

Please don’t. Oversights happen to all of us, even while paying attention. And arguing that Spilborghs shouldn’t be counted on as a reliable 4th OF option is more than reasonable. He has been below replacement level in 2008, 2009 and 2010 per Baseball Reference, and he’s been a shade below replacement overall since 2009 on Fangraphs. We love Spilly, but I agree another outfield option would be preferable, though I’m not as confident the FO will see it that way. This has actually inspired me to do a Spilborghs player review.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 12, 2010 8:12 PM MST up reply actions  

I look forward to it

You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
Baseball fans love numbers. They love to swirl them around their mouths like Bordeaux wine. ~Pat Conroy
JFK

by jrockies on Dec 12, 2010 10:22 PM MST up reply actions  

So word is there's some mystery team in on Cliff Lee?

I wonder how serious that is, if they’re as competitive as the Yankees and Rangers. And if we’ll ever find out who that team is. Also, apparently it’s not the Phillies.

by holly96 on Dec 12, 2010 11:00 PM MST reply actions  

I'm going to GUESS

It’s the A’s.

I'm GoRockies!! everybody :P

by CentralCaliRox on Dec 12, 2010 11:38 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd guess the Angels

They have money to spend as they were in on the Crawford deal before the Red Sox outbid them and they would love nothing more than to take Lee away from a division rival.

With that said, I still be shocked if he ended up in LA.

109 more days until the Rockies Home Opener!!!!!!!

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 13, 2010 8:42 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm really interested in this Duncan kid.

We’ll see what he can do at camp.

I'm GoRockies!! everybody :P

by CentralCaliRox on Dec 12, 2010 11:39 PM MST reply actions  

So Duncan is the longer term "if Todd goes down" solution?

 That makes more sense to me than the Lopez/Wiggy acquisitions alone. If he really is a Stewart clone though; I think well see the same number of wasted opportunities with RISP. Please tell me he has better contact skills or better pitch recognition than Stewart?

 I love Spilly too. His defense took a step back and he wasn’t given as consistant a pinch hitting role as before. I think he Still has value there. That said I still want to see what Garner will do with runners on and in leverage. If he can have success there then both Smith and Spilly may be redundant. With Blackmon that close it’s time to find out for both the team’s and his sake. I hope Blackmon has the OBP skills to hit at the top of the order long term.

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
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by Oldfoagie on Dec 13, 2010 2:12 AM MST reply actions  

Duncan hasn't been able to crack the majors for a reason

and poor pitch recognition would be that reason. He can turn on FB’s fine, but he gets tied up easily with off-speed or breaking stuff. Like Stewart, he’s still a work in progress. It’s not terrible for players their ages (or any age, really, as Andres Torres showed last year) to still be making adjustments, but you shouldn’t be getting your hopes up too high.

That said, I wouldn’t call Stewart and Duncan clones despite the similarities in their rise and pedigrees. I think part of my point was that it was unfair of Yankees fans to Duncan to make that comparison. Stewart improved his defense at third throughout his minor league career, while Duncan took steps backwards and had to be shifted to first (granted, he was also shifted there because the Yankees had/have a fairly established 3B).

As for the OF, I think Fowler’s the solid OBP guy at the very top, I think Blackmon has the contact skills and ability to hit into both gaps to make an effective #2 hitter, though. That said, I would have thought Smith had those contact skills too. I’m not going to put anything in pen yet and keep my eraser handy.

by Rox Girl on Dec 13, 2010 9:04 AM MST up reply actions  

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