Wednesday Rockpile: Examining the Early 2011 World Series Odds
by Jeff Aberle on Dec 15, 2010 5:00 AM MST
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PrintAside from adding another piece to the bullpen, (according to Troy Renck, it won't be Rich Harden), Colorado's offseason appears to be basically complete. As such, Philadelphia signing Cliff Lee still dominates the sports landscape. One of the more interesting aspects of this news to me is the impact it has on (at this point) ridiculously premature 2011 World Series odds.
Maybe it's because I have a gambling problem, maybe it's because I have a healthy amount of respect for the guys running sports books, but I think that Vegas lines are a great indicator of where those in the know perceive the MLB landscape to be heading into 2011. Of course, one has to remember that certain teams (the Cubs, Yankees, and Red Sox to name a few) will receive better odds because their larger fan bases will pay the premium to bet on their team. Per ESPN Insider's Buster Olney, here are the updated 2011 WS odds from bookmaker Bodog.com in order of World Series chances:
Philadelphia Phillies: 7/2
Boston Red Sox: 5/1
New York Yankees: 6/1
San Francisco Giants: 12/1
Minnesota Twins: 18/1
St. Louis Cardinals: 18/1
Atlanta Braves: 20/1
Cincinnati Reds: 20/1
Colorado Rockies: 20/1
Tampa Bay Rays: 20/1
Texas Rangers: 20/1
Chicago White Sox: 25/1
Los Angeles Angels: 25/1
Detroit Tigers: 28/1
Los Angeles Dodgers: 30/1
San Diego Padres: 30/1
Chicago Cubs: 35/1
Florida Marlins: 35/1
New York Mets: 35/1
Oakland Athletics: 35/1
Toronto Blue Jays: 50/1
Milwaukee Brewers: 60/1
Washington Nationals: 65/1
Houston Astros: 70/1
Arizona Diamondbacks: 80/1
Baltimore Orioles: 80/1
Cleveland Indians: 80/1
Seattle Mariners: 100/1
Kansas City Royals: 125/1
Pittsburgh Pirates: 150/1
Having just said that Vegas knows more than most, a few things jump out at me when looking at that list that I think are market inefficiencies. Allow me to facilitate your transition from model citizen into degenerate gambler.
1. When betting on a World Series winner, one should remember that the playoffs are a crapshoot. The San Francisco Giants might seem like a decent bet because their strong starting pitching makes them a favorite in a short series, but their lineup has to hold up well enough to get them into the playoffs again first (and their pitching needs to remain healthy). At 12:1 odds, I wouldn't make that bet. The Rockies' blend of offense and pitching makes them a more likely 2011 playoff team and I'd rate their 20:1 odds as pretty fair.
2. Betting a single AL East team may be a fool's errand due to the intense competition that will prevent one of the big heavies from making the playoffs altogether. However, it would be a decent ploy to place bets on NY, Boston, and Tampa Bay, there's an excellent chance that one of those three will be playing for the title next fall. Don't get me wrong, Minnesota is a great team and Texas will be no slouch even without Cliff Lee, but the odds are simply better that one of the eastern giants will emerge from the AL.
3. The aforementioned prowess of the AL East is why I would be wary of betting on any other AL team, even if I do really like Minnesota's team. They'll get pushed hard by the White Sox in 2011.
4. There's no shame in betting on the favorites. Philadelphia has probably the best odds of any team to make the playoffs and they will be favored in just about any short series, so it makes mathematical sense to go with that edge. By that token, you should avoid the rest of the NL East at all costs.
5. Among the non-Rockies midpack teams (18:1 to 35:1), the Dodgers (yes, the Dodgers) look like a good bet at 30:1 due to a strong pitching staff and an offense that could be fueled by a Matt Kemp bounceback. Their position in the ultracompetitive NL West could be their undoing, but I think that, like the AL East, betting on the Dodgers, Giants, and Rockies is likely to get you at least two playoff teams. The difference is that the presence of the Phillies makes it less likely that one of those teams will be playing in the Fall Classic.
6. In the longshot category (50 to 1 or greater odds), the team I like is Milwaukee (60:1). The Brewers play in a division without a dominant team, they have a great offense, they have an ace pitcher (Yovani Gallardo), they acquired a top of the rotation starter (Shaun Marcum is criminally underrated), and they've got a bounceback candidate in Randy Wolf. Okay, so they've got very little rotation depth beyond those guys and a shaky bullpen -- they're longshots for a reason -- but it's easy for me to see a scenario in which the stars align and they at least make it to the postseason. And really, that's all that you can ask from a longshot.
7. Five teams with odds that are too high (overrated): Cardinals, Braves, Angels, Padres, Mets
8. Five teams with odds that are too low (underrated): Twins, White Sox, Dodgers, Brewers, Mariners
For comparison's sake, here were the odds just after the 2010 World Series.
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Part of Tulo's new contract involves sizable charitable donations. It's a great way to put those fat stacks of cash to a good use. Also in the above link is a detailed list of Tulo's contract escalators.
Jim Armstrong writes about how much pitching the NL West has. In a land full of pitching, the team with the best offense shall prevail. He also details the key offseason moves for each NL West team.
According to Jack Etkin of ITR, Colorado will be sending four prospects (Wilin Rosario, Jordan Pacheco, Bruce Billings, and Cory Riordan) to the Rookie Career Development Program, wherein they will be lectured about how to be responsible MLB players. Etkin also has notes about minor league signees Eric Duncan and Geno Espineli.
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Given that the playoffs are random, rather than playing the three AL East teams,
I would see a lot more value in putting some on each of four other strong AL teams, Minnesota, Detroit (or Chicago, if you like them better), Texas and LA. Your chances of having multiple playoff entrants are higher and so is the payoff. It just seems to me that both the Yankees and Tampa should be in the overrated by the odds category, given that the former hasn’t really improved an aging team and the latter has lost a ton of talent this winter. After Lee chose Philadelphia, I really began to think that this may be the year another division sneaks that wild card away from the East, which could give you three playoff spots among those four or five Central and West teams.
Lets just put it this way: I don't see both the Yankees and Rays missing the playoffs with the talent they've still got on board.
The Rays are definitely still a very strong team and their 20:1 odds (relatively low considering their talent level and chances to win the division) make them an attractive option for bettors. Yes, they look like perhaps the third best team in their own division, but they won 96 games in 2010 for a reason. They might not have the proven talent they had last year, but it’s still a formidable team. The Yankees—well, they can buy improvements when and if they need them should somebody go down.
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The Rays lost way too much talent to be considered a threat in the East. They lost their entire bullpen, Garza will probably be traded, losing Crawford hurts, and Bartlett will be gone soon I’m sure.
Seems like the East is now all about the Red Sox and the Yankees.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 15, 2010 12:53 PM MST up reply actions
losing Crawford hurts
But they have plenty of young studs to fill in with Reid Brignac, Jeremy Hellickson and more Sean Rodriguez. Guys like Bartlett and Garza are being pushed out by younger, cheaper and possibly better players. I wouldn’t write off the rays. Or Andrew Friedman.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 15, 2010 1:13 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
RG, what do you think of the Padres odds at 30:1?
After losing Agone, are they even worth writing a preview in 2011?
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by Charlie77 on Dec 15, 2010 11:49 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I know a guy
Who was in Vegas June 2007, when the Rockies had just completed a sweep of the yankees. He put 5 dollars down on the Rockies to win the NL at 100-1 odds. Rocktober was just a little more special for him.
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by jcd823 on Dec 15, 2010 8:00 AM MST via mobile reply actions
should have bet $100
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 15, 2010 8:07 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I was in Vegas in December of 06 and put 50 on the Rockies to win it in 07
At like 120 to 1
Is it 2011 yet?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 15, 2010 10:35 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
pennant or world series?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 15, 2010 10:42 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Same here, but in January '07 and I only put down $20.
Should have just put them down to win the NL dammit.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Dec 15, 2010 8:33 PM MST up reply actions
Honestly, I think it sounds kind of cool
and really important given how stupid athletes can be with money.
Also, for a team like the Rockies that focus on promoting homegrown players, it’s interesting that these are the 4 players the Rockies have chosen to attend a course on ‘how to manage a pro career’,
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Very, Very stupid with money
Case in point, Antoine Walker.
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Someone needs to right a book highlighting how exactly to blow $120 million.
I am sure there would be some fascinating stuff in there. For example, Mike Tyson spending $80,000/month for the care of his white tigers…
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by BittenAnkles on Dec 15, 2010 10:49 AM MST up reply actions
or make a movie
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Antione Walker
was actually on Spider and the Henchman (best sports podcast out there, imo) last week and he and John Salley had a conversation about this issue. Salley said that the biggest way guys through money like that is having thier WHOLE entourage fly first class.
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Which players were sent to courses like that in the past?
Are those four being prepped in case they end up as mid-season call-ups?
And should Riordan have been higher on the PuRPs list?
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by glaucophane on Dec 15, 2010 10:39 AM MST up reply actions
He just missed making the cut, I think.
I dug back through the posts until I found his name. Low 30’s in the voting?
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by glaucophane on Dec 15, 2010 12:34 PM MST up reply actions
I don’t know, I kinda like the White Sox at 25-1 if I had any sort of money to gamble with.
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I'm thinking the same thing.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Dec 15, 2010 8:35 PM MST up reply actions
According to Troy Renck, it won’t be Rich Harden.
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Why is this team committed to losing?
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The thing about bookies
is that the goal behind odds and spreads is always to even out the betting. In a simple game between two teams, the bookie wants equal bets on both sides so he takes his cut off the betting and has no real stake in the game itself. In something like this where there’s 30 options you have to make the odds attractive enough on the White Sox (and Orioles, Mariners, and Pirates) that someone bets on them.
So I look at it as more a reliable predictor of what people (gamblers, specifically) expect to happen rather than any real insight into the sport itself. It’s often a good predictor because gamblers do invest some time into figuring out the teams involved, but it’s very easily swayed by popularity and hype as well.
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(I don’t know the real date, but I assumed 2/15/11)
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by BittenAnkles on Dec 15, 2010 10:44 AM MST up reply actions
Cervelli?
I apologize if this has already been discussed in the past couple of days, but with Martin going to the Yankees, would Francisco Cervelli be a trade target? He’s young, has a great defensive reputation, on-base skills, and, because some people loathe strikeouts, he’s a high contact hitter (85% overall contact rate vs. 80% league average).
He was moved up the minors pretty quickly and has no power, but in his largest samples he had a good OBP, which lends some legitimacy to the .359 OBP last year.
Also, he’s young (25 next season) and cheap (pre-arbitration). He’d command a decent prospect(s) but probably nothing too steep. The Yankees have a reason to move him with Martin and Posada (believe it or not, Jorge started 78 games as catcher in 2010) on the roster, and Montero in waiting.
Looking at it through the lens of a Napoli trade, what if CDI becomes the Napoli (1B/C) and Cervelli became the 2/3 catcher? Both seem to be capable of that.
I would be on board with this... Maybe they would take Franklin Morles straight up!
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by BittenAnkles on Dec 15, 2010 10:51 AM MST up reply actions
And we think Jorge would be a headcase playing in NY
Is it 2011 yet?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 15, 2010 10:53 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
F for F - probably a no
Don’t think they would take Franklin for Francisco. But I suspect the Rox could produce other attractive options.
Frankilin is obviously not ready for prime time yet, but if he patch up the bad shoulder and regain his control he could contribute.
by Real Perspective on Dec 15, 2010 10:59 AM MST up reply actions
I agree, for all the reasons cited
Cervelli should definitely be on the list.
by Real Perspective on Dec 15, 2010 10:55 AM MST up reply actions
Any reason to think
Management/FO will even consider CDI at 1b now that Wigginton is on board? Unless Wigginton completely blows (and arguably not even then) its hard to see CDI getting any consideration anywhere else. For myself, I don’t really mind your plan to get Cervelli, but it seems we’re finally about to see if CDI can be the man and anything that interrupts that plan better be really, really worth it.
why would we trade prospects for a young catcher?
Sure, its an upgrade in 2011 but its trading from weakness to build up a strength. The difference between mckenry and cervelli ub a back up role isn’t enough to trade prospects for a player who would only add to the catching logjam. rosario should be ready by 2012 at the latest, pacheco arguably could provide was cervelli does now, mckenry is here and ianbetta is under contract for two more years.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 15, 2010 10:58 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
This is on the assumption that it wouldn't take much to acquire him
And that for a team that is supposed to contend, they want as few question marks about major league readiness (Jayson Nixes, you might say) as possible heading into the season. Cervelli at least has some track record, and most scouts and his minor league numbers back up that he can be close to what he was in 2010.
It’s not as if Rosario being ready by 2012 precludes this sort of move. In particular, if the cost of acquiring Cervelli is the same or less than the return that could be had from trading Iannetta after 2011 (still a possibility), it would be beneficial. That would leave Rosario and Cervelli as a cheap tandem in 2012.
However, I didn’t really consider Wigginton as the RH first base complement. If that’s what he is, then there’s no reason to do anything. At most, it’d be adding a cheap NRI veteran after the New Year, if he exists. He or McKenry would then be the backup.
Given that there's already a logjam, you're right that acquiring Cervelli would only add confusion
But… allowing Pacheco to mature through the system rather than be rushed to the majors in the case of a McKenry fail would definitely hurt his value. If his bat is as talented as it appears, he’ll accrue trade value as he moves through the minors.
Yeah, if McKenry can handle it and Wigginton picks up the bulk of the ABs at first vs. LHP then there’s no reason.
He'd be a fine backup
I like him a lot. But 1 I’m not sure he’s worth the effort required to acquire him. And 2. Posada is supposedly the full-time DH next year, so Cervelli will still be needed as the backup.
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Can McKenry actually hit? That's the question.
Cervelli has an MLB track record.
by Real Perspective on Dec 15, 2010 11:00 AM MST reply actions
Cervelli's track record is an 82 OPS+ over 423 PA
not really “proving” much there.
Give me Iannetta and McKenry for this year, and Rosario for President in 2012
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to expand, Cervelli just plain doesn't hit for power
McKenry’s defense would make up for the slight downgrade in his bat (if there is a downgrade from Cervelli) and Pacheco could likely post a similar line right now, but with more doubles.
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Still babies
You probably follow this stuff more closely than I do, but I would think a guy who played for the Yankees all last year has a much stronger resume than the guys from Triple A. Cervelli has proven he can hit, and has proven he can play C at a competitive level. McKenry and Pacheco are still babies.
Naturally, we have no idea if DOD or Tracy would be interested in trading for a backup C. So this is a moot argument, I suppose.
by Real Perspective on Dec 15, 2010 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
Pacheco is the same age as Cervelli
and Cervelli has proven he can hit singles. A fair amount of singles without any power potential whatsoever.
I don’t hate the idea of Cervelli, but I don’t see him holding any upside over our in-house candidates
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Greg smith had proven he could pitch at the MLB level
Good thing we let baby Chacin have a chance though. You don’t know until you give them a shot. While I know the difference between smith/chacin is greater than mckenry/cervelli, that’s kind of why I would have issue with it. It doesn’t provide enough increase to warrant trading him. If I had a choice of having cervelli or mckenry outright, I would probably go with cervelli. But I don’t think a trade makes sense.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 15, 2010 1:06 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Rosario and Pacheco will be awesome in 2012!!
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by Charlie77 on Dec 15, 2010 11:46 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, but ...
Quite possibly they will be in 2012. But the are still undemonstrated at the MLB level. And what about 2011?
by Real Perspective on Dec 15, 2010 12:40 PM MST up reply actions
can't win a world series from fourth place though.
Even with two wild cards.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 15, 2010 11:54 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
this is why I keep petitioning the league to add 9 wildcards
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Braves are overrated?
hmm I don’t know, that is one fine team over there
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overrated not in terms of talent but world series odds
They are pretty much the only team virtually limited to having to win the world series via wild card. That really hurts their chances.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 15, 2010 12:58 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed.
I think the Braves have a damn good team.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 15, 2010 12:58 PM MST up reply actions
Fine team, poor odds of making the playoffs and therefore winning the world series
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by Charlie77 on Dec 15, 2010 12:01 PM MST via mobile reply actions
whoa! I was just chatting with a friend of mine
and said, God I wish baseball was still going on …
although that playoff game is on MLB network tonight
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You mean Game 7 of the 1960 World Series?
The video of that playoff game that no one has seen since Bing Crosby lost it in his wine cellar?
Hopefully someone gets that up on a site out of MLB’s reach shortly after it airs.
I watched the movie called Jackie Robinson's Story yesterday, it was really good.
I’ll have to watch 21 Days soon.
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by Charlie77 on Dec 15, 2010 2:06 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Yep, that'd be the one
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Troy Renck has a complete list of the minor-league staff. And Marv Foley replaces Mark Strittmatter as bullpen catcher and catching instructor (he was previously the Rockies minor league catching coordinator).
Foley is a good guy
I think having him around will be a plus
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CarGo becoming a star.
According to Renck, just recently filmed a commercial for Gillette with Evan Longoria.
He'll never sign an extension now! :P
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I hope longo chases cargo because he suspects cargo stole his razor
And they do all sorts of stunts. And then they chat and cargo says “I wish we drafted you”
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 15, 2010 1:09 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
LOL
needs a cameo with Tulo too
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Using a Gilette trimmer to cut the mullet?
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Remember that commercial Greg Reynolds did with Longoria?
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Nope, but Muzia did promote the Dbacks...(not sure what that's all about)
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Any link?
Caution: Colorado teams are better than they appear.
by ShadowPenguin on Dec 15, 2010 1:24 PM MST up reply actions
Happy Birthday Cole
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So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
Vote the 07 play in game as the best game in the last 50 years.
107 more days until the Rockies Home Opener!!!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2010 3:11 PM MST reply actions
I voted for one of my most painful sports memories
Marlins vs Indians, 1997 World Series Game 7
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One of the most underrated World Series of all time
107 more days until the Rockies Home Opener!!!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2010 3:40 PM MST up reply actions
Perhaps, but my money's still on 1991.
Just enthralling. Every game except one. And a killer Game 7.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
I agree with this
1991 is probably the most underrated but 1997 is up there too. 1924 and 1957 are up there as well.
107 more days until the Rockies Home Opener!!!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2010 3:58 PM MST up reply actions
Oh, I don't think most people actually underrate 1991
I could be wrong, but I’ve heard many others call it the greatest WS ever. Of course, there’s lots of room for fair disagreement, though.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
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1998 was the best world series
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I'm still waiting for Grady Little to take Pedro out of that game
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2010 3:41 PM MST up reply actions
done and done
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Is there going to be a game thread for the Pirates/Yankee game tonight
That would be awesome. I can’t wait to see the Yankees lose.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 15, 2010 3:12 PM MST reply actions
Easy there on the spoiler alerts, kiddo
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
Matt Guerrier chose dodgers over Rockies?
It would seem silly to think Ned Colletti would play keep away with relievers, but Guerrier didn’t really fill a huge need in los Angeles. Jon Heyman just tweeted that Guerrier turned down two years deals with a higher yearly salary and that Boston and Colorado bid. The Rockies really offered 2 years and $9+million to Guerrier?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 15, 2010 4:01 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I find that about 10000% unlikely (the amount, that is)
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
I could see us offering a 2 year deal in the 6M range
just because we could use a consistent arm in the bullpen for next year. But if we did offer more, that tells me we are looking at using the remainder of the budget on a final bullpen arm and the FO is comfortable with McKenry as the Opening Day backup.
Who knew that Muzia’s love is like a rock tied to your feet, dragging you to the bottom of the ocean?
Still hates Tulo, but is quickly losing momentum.
Loves (and misses) Galiardi.
SB Nation Denver
Renck calls Qualls an “interesting name.” I agree. Nice GB rate, decent K rate, late inning experience, and should be undervalued. The spike in BB rate is concerning, but I don’t recall anything indicating it would be permanent.
He also says he could see them making a play for Rauch. Please, no. Too many fly balls, and his HR/FB benefited from Target Field quite a bit.
My wife dislikes the way Qualls grabs his...ahem...qualls, before every pitch
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
Off Topic a Little
I am now the proud owner of both Peter Tago and Chad Bettis baseball cards from Bowman.
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
Baseball fans love numbers. They love to swirl them around their mouths like Bordeaux wine. ~Pat Conroy
JFK
Rockies related cards? Maybe
Total cards I will have to count over break (I’ve been meaning to do this anyway), but that should be around 80K. I will make a fanshot of my approximate totals when I get them.
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
Baseball fans love numbers. They love to swirl them around their mouths like Bordeaux wine. ~Pat Conroy
JFK
HOLY CRAP
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and to think
that most of them have been via gifts for Christmas and Birthdays that I haven’t bought myself, with the exception of my 671 Todd Helton Cards
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
Baseball fans love numbers. They love to swirl them around their mouths like Bordeaux wine. ~Pat Conroy
JFK
how will you count them all?
do you have them grouped together in boxes of a certain amount that will make counting them pretty easy?
Also, do you keep them in binders or boxes or what?
I'm think a self-storage rental
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In Short:
I have all of my complete sets in numerical order in boxes and all the sets are complete with a certain number of cards. I then have all of my “free” cards organized alphabetically, by last name, by team in binders (ie. The first set of players in my Angels binder would include Nick Adenhart and so on), thus I would just count the number of pages in the binders and estimate that way. I currently have 32 non-Rockies binders (minimum 1 for each team), 4 binders consisting of arguably the best players in my lifetime (Pujols, Ichiro…) and 7 Rockies binders. The smallest binder is 2" with the largest being a 5" binder.
I have now decided to turn my fanshot into a baseball card discussing fanpost, that will come out during my Christmas break.
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
Baseball fans love numbers. They love to swirl them around their mouths like Bordeaux wine. ~Pat Conroy
JFK
Oh and they are all
on the shelf in my closet, on shelves in my room or on the floor in my room which has no more room for shelves (see avatar for this reason).
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
Baseball fans love numbers. They love to swirl them around their mouths like Bordeaux wine. ~Pat Conroy
JFK
I was so confused
Why you were wanting us to watch a movie to see why you didn’t have room.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 15, 2010 6:07 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
not really
I know about what some of my cards are worth but I really don’t care. They are for my enjoyment.
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
Baseball fans love numbers. They love to swirl them around their mouths like Bordeaux wine. ~Pat Conroy
JFK
Is anyone watching the Yankees-Pirates game?
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I thought my DVR was recording it.
I got home and boom DVR did not have enough space
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It really is...
I love the “brought to you in living color”…..say what?
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That's it for Mr. Stafford
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It's not that much different than current baseball...
except without the gimmicks
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2010 6:44 PM MST up reply actions
but they make up for it with Bob Costas saturation
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2010 6:50 PM MST up reply actions
I don't mind him
but whatever broadcast he is a part of, they just bury it in Costas
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2010 7:57 PM MST up reply actions
Nope, just cool how we are watching it for the first time
and that some of these guys are not with us anymore…
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Oh man, I forgot Roberto Clemente was on this team!
Yeah this is awesome
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I think it's interesting, I don't exactly know what I was expecting
by Andrew Martin on Dec 15, 2010 7:00 PM MST up reply actions
I just like the history that we are seeing that has never been seen before.....
other than those that were at the game and those that saw it once on TV..
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It's cool to see a whole game with Mantle and Maris and Clemente....
I mean I’ve see highlights but this is great!
Go Bruce!
I'm with you!...I love it...
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Yep
I like that Michael Keaton is a Pirates fan!
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Is it me, or does Yogi Berra have McKenry-ish thighs?
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I can't tell from the camera angle...but is the mound higher or lower than it is now?
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Huh, I was reading that Bing Crosby was going to Paris because he couldn't stand the anxiety
of watching this game. But he thought he better have some record, so he had an assistant kinescope the TV broadcast….
First youtube theft?
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OT: Yankees pursuing Zambrano!
between him and CC those pitching mounds are going to be abused.
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Ian Stewart makes that play.....
No Hops Hoak
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Whoa, Clemente bobbled!
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Holy moly that hit the SS in the face!!
Tony Kubek….man…not good
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Hee. I loved Clemente's
hopping before he gets home…It was like a running happy dance
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Wow.....There were NO strikeouts in this entire game....that's crazy!
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Oh my gosh Bill Prince is why we have Craig Sager
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