Thursday Rockpile: Wigginton deal becomes official
by Rox Girl on Dec 16, 2010 7:01 AM MST
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PrintThis post will be kept very short at first as I'm sort of in transit in the Chicago area, but I'll try to update later with more once I find a decent wifi connection where I can set up shop. As for now, though, the only news that's come out since Wolf Marauder gave the updates to the minor league coaching staff changes last night has been that the Rockies made their two year, $8 million contract with Ty Wigginton official.
The deal includes an optional third year (and a buyout for said option) and seems to imply that the Rockies are counting on Wigginton providing just under three wins of value over replacement during the contract. I say "seems to..," because the widespread inflation of contracts this winter could actually indicate that the team's paying for just under two wins of value if free agent prices remain at these levels over the next couple of years.
The Rockies were one of several teams interested in reliever Matt Guerrier, who wound up signing with the Dodgers for two years on what I'm guessing is another backloaded/deferred contract. The list of available relievers who the team has expressed interest in continues to thin, but thankfully so does the competition. Among those set-up men still available are right hander Jesse Crain, and left handers Pedro Feliciano, Joe Beimel and Brian Fuentes.
In more somber news, Hall of Famer Bob Feller passed on last night at the age of 92. I figured I'd just collect and pass on a few links regarding this remarkable man.
The Legend of Bob Feller began on an Iowa farm: Bill Livingston || Bill Livingston, The Plain Dealer
Bob Feller Dies || John Sickels, Minor League Ball
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you can probably scratch Crain off that list
He agreed to a 3yr deal with the white sox last night. also, Guerrier’s deal was 3yrs as well with the dodgers.
I wonder what the mariners’ asking price would be for David Aardsma
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 16, 2010 7:33 AM MST via mobile reply actions
sorry for all the oversights of last night's news.
I was expecting more Internet availability this morning than proved to be available and yesterday afternoon/evening was spent making the drive up here. So who are we down to as far as relievers? Feliciano? Qualls, maybe?
Qualls! Qualls!
Feliciano is signing with the Yankees.
Willingham is being acquired by the A’s (for real).
And Magglio re-signed with the Tigers. 1 year/$10M. Not bad for the Tigers.
I'd say not bad for Magglio. He's no 8-figure player anymore
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
No, but he was putting up a pretty nice season before the injury last year.
Most players his age, coming off that injury, probably shouldn’t get that much. But this off-season is silly.
And its only for 1 year
I’d much rather overpay in $ than years
err... not Feliciano I guess, either. I knew the Yankees would be after him and figured we were in trouble there.
No love for the Rockies from this year’s reliever crop, it seems. That doesn’t bode well, as it probably means more July trades for bullpen help.
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Bob Feller died last night
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
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JFK
Remarkable career and life story
Feller wasn’t at the top of most fan’s “Greatest Living Ballplayer” list, but until last night he certainly belonged somewhere in the conversation. Here’s to one of the all-time greats.
by Rockpile Interloper on Dec 16, 2010 8:06 AM MST up reply actions
on NPR this morning they ran an interview with Feller
about his philosophy of pitching inside and how it pissed off the hitters.
Another WW2 era ball player who left in his prime to serve his country. This idea now is so foreign to us as a culture/society. It truly was a remarkable time, its hard to imagine a generation of ball players leaving to go fight.
BTW, God Bless all our troops but especially the deployed ones and their families during this holiday season, while I’m on it.
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by El Paso Jeff on Dec 16, 2010 8:23 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
If you are ever driving through Iowa
The Bob Feller Museum is worth a quick visit. It’s in Van Meter, a few exits west of Des Moines. Nothing fancy, but a nice tribute by Feller’s hometown to preserve the legacy of a national hero.
by Rockpile Interloper on Dec 16, 2010 8:28 AM MST up reply actions
You make some good points..
but I disagree with one of them, and so does this guy.
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@charliedrysdale
It's a little crass to put words in a dead man's mouth
To be specific, his family (particularly his brother) would agree with what you’re saying.
I wasn't being disrespectful at all..
EPJ stated that it is foreign to us as a society to have players leave in their prime and serve their country. It wasn’t foreign to Pat TIllman.
It also wasn’t foreign to this young baseball player, who left a scholarship to join the Marines to honor his aunt and uncle that were lost in 9/11. It might be a different era, but there are still young men and women sacrificing their dreams to serve their country.
@charliedrysdale
Oh... sorry, I jumped to the wrong conclusion
I just didn’t see a way to ask for clarification without starting a flame war.
You’re definitely right that there are still plenty of young people who forgo safer careers or lucrative opportunities to serve their country.
I think deacs was talking about the God bless statement as the Tillman's are very outspoken on their atheism
Also has anyone seen the documentary that the Tillman’s put out about Pat’s death? I saw his brother give an interview about it and I really didn’t know anything about the coverup that he was talking about.
by purplesocks on Dec 16, 2010 11:30 AM MST up reply actions
absolutely need to honor this man's (PT's) legacy
He is a hero in every sense of the word. His picture is featured prominently in my Wrestling room and classroom as an example of a great American ball player/citizen. We need more.
Had heard about Private Reed but thanks for the write up.
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by El Paso Jeff on Dec 16, 2010 1:16 PM MST up reply actions
There is a lot of buzz about the Phillies 2011 rotation but the '54 Indians was also one of the best:h
Bob Lemon, Early Wynn, Mike Garcia and Bob Feller. And Rapid Robert was at the end of his career. Those guys took the ball every 4th day and the Indians won something like 110 games.
Another staff that rivaled those guys was the ’71 Orioles with McNally, Palmer, Cuellar and Dobson.
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Joe Posnanski wrote a great entry about this very topic.
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Posnanski is a superb writer on just about any subject...
Check out his terrific site: joeposnanski.blogspot.com/
John Sickels calls the Rockies minor league system "thin"
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 16, 2010 8:29 AM MST via mobile reply actions
I think it's a decent point though
we are short on guys who can contribute in the next year, and most of our high upside prospects are at least 3 years away. Who knows if any of them actually develop?
It’s a good system, but very dependent on the young guys.
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Pretty much spot on
But it’s not thin by any means. It’s just lacking elite prospects right now (which has the chance of changing with good years from Matzek, Arenado Freidrich, and Parker)
not every team can develop Bengie Molinas
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 16, 2010 8:53 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
If they feed the players properly they can!
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by BittenAnkles on Dec 16, 2010 9:08 AM MST up reply actions
Not as thin as it was in my head last night.
I had a dream that we traded Wilin Rosario for Michael Young.
I was very displeased, and I think I was explaining to my Heat Transfer professor why this was an absolutely terrible idea.
…I gotta find better things to dream about.
I dreamt last night that Mindy Kaling was the Rockies closer
And she was REALLY good. Filthy splitter
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 16, 2010 9:35 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Ha!
She’d probably be chasing all the cute guys in the bullpen around and annoying the heck out of them the rest of the game though.
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What is her name?
The better dream that is…..
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
It's a system that at some point is going to sneak up on people
Just because our C grade guys (to use Sickels’ scale) have a lot more A or B level potential than most systems’ C grade guys.
I think we are regularly underrated by his system, anyway, if you you look at the historic grades to the amount of WAR returned.
Blue Jays transactions this offseason have been a barrel of laughs.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 16, 2010 11:28 AM MST up reply actions
Would have been worse if they signed Juan
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by Hollidayrain on Dec 16, 2010 2:00 PM MST up reply actions
Sucks for the Yankees, too, if Feliciano and Martin are their Lee consolation prizes...
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
OT: Where's the OT link?
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Rox Girl usually doesn't make one because she's always ON TOPIC
;-)
Will take one of our less disciplined schlubs to give the proletariat what it wants.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
by Mondogarage on Dec 16, 2010 9:26 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
It's there now
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Ok, this is horrible
Since 2006, there have been 9 set up guys that have gotten 3 year contracts via free agency. They have combined to net .1 WAR over the life of those contacts. Wow, today’s lesson, don’t give relievers 3 year contracts.
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Maybe the A's
will fall into last place and look to trade him off. Surely the Rockies will be ready to swoop in and make a move :)
looks like the deal is done
Willingham to Oakland for two minor leaguers, one with MLB experience.
No names as of yet
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WTF?
Why send him to Oakland? That seems like punishment
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Seems that way, but I think Oakland is building a strong team
Cahill, Anderson, Mazarro and GiGo will be quite the force next year in their rotation, not to mention Dallas Braden. Maybe with some Willingham offensive boost, they can contend with the idle Angels and Lee-less Rangers
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by Hollidayrain on Dec 16, 2010 2:04 PM MST up reply actions
The Angels should bounce back too
They had so much go wrong last year. The AL West could be one hell of a three team race if it breaks right.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 16, 2010 2:12 PM MST up reply actions
Mazarro went to KC in the DeJesus deal
but yeah their team should be a lot better this year as long as their offensive moves pay off
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Nats get Henry Rodriguez (young, high K, high BB pitcher) and
Corey Brown (25 year old OF who shows good on base skills and some power).
Pretty sure the Rockies could’ve beaten that without hurting their prospect depth too much.
Somewhat comparable to Rogers and Nelson
Rogers has a higher ceiling than Rodriguez (if he becomes a starter, if not, it’s a wash). Nelson and Brown have similar batting upside, and are close to major league ready.
True
I wonder if they had their heart set on an OF. If that was the case, Cole Garner? They seem to be comparable, though I’d give the advantage to Garner at the moment.
Who is more ready to contribute this year? Could very well be Brown, I'm not familiar.
That is what I was thinking the Nats might want, but didn’t say.
Garner may be a bit closer to the majors
But Brown has much more upside. Think inbetween Blackmon and Wheeler.
I'm digging making a trade for Aardsma
Local guy, team friendly contract, can close so we don’t burn Street up. And just non-sexy enough so no one offers the moon. I’m willing to pay pretty heavily for him.
Anyone with me?
by BostonTransplant on Dec 16, 2010 10:22 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Who knows what he'll be like away from Safeco?
He’s pretty well established as a ~4.5 BB/9 guy, and his career groundball rate is 35% (it was 25.3% in 2009-yikes). Over the last two years, his home HR/9 has been 1/2 to 2/3 lower than his prior career norms.
Basically, he’s a guy that walks too many and gives up a lot of fly balls. Safeco has probably turned a lot of HR into fly outs. Even with the strikeouts, it’s not a recipe for success at Coors.
he also throws a gazillion mph
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Are flyballs as much of a big deal anymore at Coors, though...
It’s the liners that pinball around in the outfield that wipe us out (purely observational.) Not excited by the high walk rate, however.
Go Bruce!
It's probably not as big of a deal as it was 12 years ago
but considering that Coors was the second most favorable park for HRs in 2010, it’s still a big deal.
It’s probably not as big of a deal if a pitcher only throws 40-45% ground balls, but if 75% of the hits against them go up in the air (LD or FB), like Aardsma in 2009, that’s still going to be more of a problem in Coors than most places.
On top of the air, there are also the dimensions of the park to consider. There’s a lot of room for fly balls to drop depending on the defense.
As long as it's not a multi-year contract, I'm unconcerned about who they sign.
But I’d prefer Qualls; his peripherals would seem to work on the Rockies.
Aardsma would require a trade
I’m not up for trading much for relievers
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 16, 2010 10:39 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
There's that too
He just has a terrible profile for the Rockies.
Did you, or anyone, read about if there was some dark cloud over Peralta’s non-tender from the Nats? 1yr/900k in this market was a little surprising, but good for the Rays.
Trade is better actually
You get value for value, instead of grossly overpaying, especially in years.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 16, 2010 10:45 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
That's assuming that Aardsma has significant value over whoever else the Rockies could use
There aren’t many relievers who have that kind of year-to-year value, and Aardsma’s probably not in that group.
Also, he’s going to make at least $3.5M next year. So you’re giving up prospects and payroll space. If the Rockies are determined to not sign a reliever to a multi-year deal (which they should be, but does not seem to be the case), they can probably find someone cheaper who will provide similar value.
By peripherals you mean GB?
I’m not sure that matters as much anymore with the humidor. Most of our RP’s are either fly ball guys or neutral. I just think we’re asking for trouble if we don’t add another tested arm that can close. Belisle can’t do everything. I guess Qualls qualifies but man was he awful last year. Hate the thought of taking someone from the Dbacks bullpen …
by BostonTransplant on Dec 16, 2010 10:41 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
By peripherals, I meant walks, ground balls, and his HR/FB%
For instance, he gave up a home run on every fifth fly ball on the road last year. Granted that’s a tiny sample and a 20% HR/FB rate on the road will come down, but it’s illustrative of the potential for disaster.
The only non-Safeco year where he had a good HR/FB rate was 2008 with Boston, which was also the highest GB% for his career. So maybe he can adapt to different parks, but he still has a walk problem.
REALLY small (samples)
And he struck out 38% of the guys who had official AB’s on the road. That only left 27 guys who put the ball in play, and by chance 4 of them hit it out. Basically, the Mariners never had a chance to use their closer on the road …
by BostonTransplant on Dec 16, 2010 10:57 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Granted that’s a tiny sample and a 20% HR/FB rate on the road will come down, but it’s illustrative of the potential for disaster.
Basically, the Mariners never had a chance to use their closer on the road …
Then we should just discount his years in Safeco and focus on the 2004-2008 period, in which case he still doesn’t seem that appealing.
There are certainly worse relievers that the Rockies could end up with, but it’s kind of an expensive package (between salary and trade) for someone who they’ll likely non-tender or trade (assuming his salary rises substantially in arbitration this year) after next season.
Regarding Beimel...why are the Rockies not making an offer?
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More than Dinger? UNPOSSIBLE!
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Renck says it’s because they trust the guys they have.
TroyRenck: Like Reynolds and (fingers crossed) Morales RT @TJEldredge_09: @ why isnt joe beimel being considered
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by Franchise26 on Dec 16, 2010 10:55 AM MST up reply actions
That's interesting. Thanks
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now let me think about this....
Morales…. Beimel…. Beimel…. Morales….
I’ll take Beimel.
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by pedalpusher on Dec 16, 2010 11:35 AM MST up reply actions
THIS so much!
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some more groundballs. Its more democratic. - Crash Davis
by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 16, 2010 10:09 PM MST up reply actions
Maybe it's more exciting
To watch Morales walk tightropes night after night with no safety net.
Or alternatively, to watch Matt Reynolds’ arm fall off by August.
by Rockpile Interloper on Dec 16, 2010 11:04 AM MST up reply actions
Seems like we'd want Beimel for some insurance
against such things
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Matt Daley
Bruce Billings
Oh, you wanted lefties? Sorry.
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lol..yes I wanted lefties
Other than Frankie
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why Frankie in a heartbeat?
I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby
by pedalpusher on Dec 16, 2010 11:37 AM MST up reply actions
too bad we don't have an elite lefty relief prospect ready to jump in late this season
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 16, 2010 11:19 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Is this sarcasm?
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Yes'm
I assume he meant Christian Friedrich
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Oh thanks.
But what about before late in the season?
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Oh well, I definitely fell better now...:P
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Rex Brothers, baby
Rex. Brothers.
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Ding ding ding, we have a winner. Brothers is going to wear purple pinstripes this season. Bet it.
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by Franchise26 on Dec 16, 2010 11:29 AM MST up reply actions
When did Brothers go from looking good and promising to being lights out?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m thrilled, but also surprised.
Brothers always looked lights out, especially against lefties, and at least close against RHB's
The only reason I and a lot of people don’t rank him higher on prospect lists is that his position as a reliever is by definition going to have a much lower ceiling when it comes to win value than even swing starters such as Esmil Rogers.
If Brothers proves to be the real deal,
I would be happy to see Beimel move on down the road. It’s not that I consider Beimel an elite lefty, but he’s a guy that can at least throw strikes. Remember how completely screwed the Rockies would have been without him in the first half last year? Just seems premature to let him leave town without seeing if Brothers is MLB-ready.
by Rockpile Interloper on Dec 16, 2010 11:37 AM MST up reply actions
10.8 K/9 throughout the minors?
The kid is ready, and he’s going to be fantastic.
Move over, Matt Reynolds.
The way I see it, Morales gets the first couple months of the season to show us where he really is, and Brothers is a GREAT backup option to plug in case of injury/ineffectiveness from either FrankieMo or Reynolds
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brothers is as MLB ready as anyone in the system
I’m not sure its close.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 16, 2010 11:44 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
can I make an Escalona joke here?
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As far as players not to actually see MLB action, probably
Blackmon would be closest and he is relatively close to Brothers, as is Billings, but Nelson might be closer.
I disqualified nelson from consideration
I can accept billings being potentially MLBs ready, but no way is more so than brothers. My definition if “MLB ready” is mostly the player’s floor with a full time job in 2011. So brothers over Blackmon still. I hope we see all three Bs. If not, Im going to Colorado springs next summer.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 16, 2010 11:56 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, I realize how my reply could be misread...
I was meaning to say that I agree with Brothers over Blackmon on readiness, just in some disagreement about the word “close”.
Well, that's great to hear
So let’s just jump to the part where he and Reynolds are anchoring the left side of the pen, and skip the Morales meltdown.
by Rockpile Interloper on Dec 16, 2010 11:48 AM MST up reply actions
Will he start next season in AAA?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 16, 2010 11:55 AM MST up reply actions
most likely
Though he will be up in 2011 at some point.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 16, 2010 11:57 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
That's what I figured
I just wasn’t sure if the Rockies have a set plan for him.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 16, 2010 12:03 PM MST up reply actions
Oooof....sorry butterfly, I overlooked...
In fact, I probably just Z’d right past it…:P
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Awww...we love you we really do!
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Cliff Lee: Hmmm, I wonder which fan base this was addressing?
There was also one compliment by Lee that caused some speculation on the blogs afterward about which other teams — if any — he was slighting in return. “They don’t need a teleprompter to tell them when to cheer,” Lee said of the Phillies fans he pitched for during the 2009 season.
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Heh, looks like someone used to watch the Gilmore Girls
Kristen Lee made a pros/cons list for each of the three cities and Philly’s turned out the longest.
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by WalkInRight on Dec 16, 2010 12:07 PM MST up reply actions
I'd guess Rangers
They had a lot of Johnny-come-lately fans this year,
many of them new to baseball and many wondering
when the Cowboy cheerleaders were going to show up.
Mediocrity sucks
Beyond the Box Score just posted a column that is perfect for our recent discussions
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by Muzia on Dec 16, 2010 12:07 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Should be green
This is pretty important:
d) Remember: regardless of the reason why a player’s BABIP is fluky, they are still likely to regress the following season. Team defenses change, players constantly make adjustments and improve their skill levels, and luck / random variation balances out.
translation:
expecting Cargo to contend for the Triple Crown is setting the bar extremely high
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eh...
I’ll make a bold prediction that he actually wins the traditional TC this year. As long as he’s healthy, he should challenge for it at the very least. Batting third for a full season and having Dex ahead of him should help.
I don’t think we understand the mystical properties of Coors on BABIP just yet. Certain players (Walker .385, Holliday .381) really seem to be able to take advantage of the park with their BABIP, so far Gonzalez seems to be one of them.
very bold prediction, indeed
let’s not take this one up with AZSnakepit, shall we?
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You're the third female to tell me that this week. What am I doing wrong?
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ouch
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Cargo's road BABIP was .375 as well though
And even though I think Cargo should have a really high BABIP because he hits as many line drives as anyone I’ve ever seen, that number away from Coors seems like it would have to come down.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 16, 2010 12:48 PM MST up reply actions
Maybe he can also hit even more HR's
That will lower his BABIP :-)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 16, 2010 1:00 PM MST up reply actions
Is there a corellation between higher strikeout numbers/high BABIP?
Poking around between Walker’s, Holliday’s and Cargo’s BABIPs and K numbers: Holliday’s K and BABIPs rose each year from 2005-2007. Walker’s were all over the place, with his best BABIP (.382) coming in a low strikeout year (13.4%), and his second best (.374) coming in a high strikeout year (20.7%). Cargo has struck out a healthy amount each year (although not in a consistent rise) and had his BABIP rise.
On the surface, it makes sense that guys who whiff at the really good pitches (instead of making weak contact) and hit the other pitches hard are going to have high BABIPs.
I wish I knew the answer to this question
It’s going to take a whole lot of data to get it though
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 16, 2010 1:01 PM MST up reply actions
It might depend on the player. In Holliday's case, I could see it.
He’s highly selective, particularly with less than two strikes and often would let pitches that looked good to me go by. I don’t know if the same could be said of Walker or Gonzalez.
Much like that one BBWAA guy is making a case for Olerud to stay on the ballot
(rightfully, in my opinion), I hope Walker gets some serious consideration for the Hall. A decade of good defense in RF at Coors and an incredible bat.
If he gets less than 5%, it will be extremely discouraging.
He’s at an interesting spot where some writers may be aware his offensive numbers need to be discounted, but unaware of just how much value his defense adds to his case. I hope enough aware of both sides put him on their ballot.
Kind of a whipping boy, but if Jim Rice is in then Walker should be too.
And probably 20 other examples. Rice never had a peak like Walker (using wRC+), and Walker put up better counting stats in about 1000 less PAs. Plus, Walker has to have been a better defender.
I thought
Holliday was in the top 10 (or something like that) at swinging at the first pitch
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This is true...
and he’s also known for talking about how it might be the only good pitch he gets to see. I could see how that could be at odds with what I’m saying, but I think his selectivity extends to the first pitch.
but if everyone
is constantly making adjustments and trying to improve their skills doesn’t that negate everyone else’s adjustments?
I kid, but it was a good read
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I didn't know what to make of that either.
You’d also think that the results of changing mechanics or something else non-tangible would be easy to tell for a pitcher. They should be immediate because they’re doing one thing in a limited number of ways.
I’d think that the ways a pitcher adjusts his arm movement and strategy for hitters are far fewer than the way hitters make adjustments in-game and when approaching different pitchers.
I didn’t play, but maybe somebody with even high school experience might be able to comment on the thought process (unless your high school had a DH).
Nice find
I want to see if anyone over there has more about how ballparks affectBABIP.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 16, 2010 12:37 PM MST up reply actions
Boston signs 2 year, $12 million deal with Bobby Jenks
San Diego also obtains LF/2B Eric Patterson from Boston
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That's going to be one expensive bullpen in Boston
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 16, 2010 1:27 PM MST up reply actions
What is the Redsox payroll looking like?
Is it close to the Yankees since they lost out on Lee? That would be really funny if the RS passed the Yankees in payroll after all the hypocritical bitching they have done about the yankees buying championships
I think it's actually over the Yankees now
But they look to be done, and the Yankees could still spend more.
Maybe for 2012
but I don’t think they’re going to get there in 2011. Using Cot’s as a rough estimate, they have $136 committed (after AGon and Crawford, before Jenks and Arb raises). Figuing that Jenks and arb raises take them up to $150M, they won’t get near the Yankees this season. However, after they extend AGon and Crawford’s salary jumps up, 2012 will give the Yanks a run.
Oh I think they get close to the Yankees in 2011
As you said, they have 136 million commited right now and that’s before arb cases, the Jenks contract and the (new) Gonzalez contract.
Papelbon is getting $11 million in arb (It’s a joke but he’ll get it)
That takes them to $147 million
Add in the $6million Jenks will get this year and you’re at $153 million
It’s also possible that they will add several million more to the Gonzalez contract once they sign him long term after opening day. Add that to another bullpen guy they are looking for and they might be at $170 million.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 16, 2010 2:09 PM MST up reply actions
Can you backdate salary?
I don’t think they can sign him to an extension on May 1, 2011 and still include 2011 as part of the extension in order to decrease the AAV.
I believe you're right now that I think about it more
This would be a good question for Jeff
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 16, 2010 2:31 PM MST up reply actions
deacs is right.
Anything otherwise would be, you know, illegal.
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Yanks are at $178M
Not including Pettitte or another FA signing (which I’m sure will happen) or arb raises to Joba, Hughes, Boone Logan, and the salaries of pre-arb players like David Robertson and Brett Gardner.
I’d guess they’ll easily hit $190M by opening day. So maybe the RS can get close, but only if they work out a deal that includes a raise for AGon in ’11.
I wonder how much more New York will have to pay Pettitte now that they didn't get Lee
He can pretty much demand whatever he wants because if he retires, the Yankees are completely screwed.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 16, 2010 2:36 PM MST up reply actions
I doubt they will, but they should move Joba into the rotation
Otherwise, they’ve got a little trouble. CC and Hughes are fine, but Burnett is scary, number four is a total question mark, and the fifth spot would go to Nova I guess.
It’s hard to imagine Pettitte demanding a crazy amount, but it’s even less hard to see Nolan Ryan swooping in and making him a Ranger.
The only reason the Red Sox payroll won't go quite as high as the Yankees next year is because they had a bunch of money coming off the books after last season
$13 million for Mike Lowell, $9 million for Adrian Beltre, $7.7 million for Victor Martinez, and the $9 million they were still paying Julio Lugo to play for Baltimore (HAHAHAHA/ Still one of the worst contracts ever)
Anyway, just those four players right there freed up nearly $40 million.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 16, 2010 2:01 PM MST up reply actions
Rox Girl, you were right about that Guerrier contract
it appears that he will only receive $1.5M of his contract in 2011. He signed for 3 years, $12M.
That’s another $2.5M either deferred or backloaded to 2013
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And if he wins
it will still be crippled
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But if he wins, he wins.
He can build some more parking ramps and fix his empire.
They’re screwed either way probably. I think Mondo pointed out that they lost the parking ramps that made him rich, and the Dodgers were basically their only source of income.
I'm counting at least $19.9M in deferred or dead money for their 2011 roster
Incredible. And I don’t even think Cot’s is updated yet.
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crap. I even forgot ManRam in that number
make it $23.2M for 2011 deferred or dead money. Yeesh
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did you remember Juan Pierre and Andruw Jones?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 16, 2010 5:21 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, I included their dead money
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Just tweeted by the official Rox account
#Rockies acquire Catcher Jose Morales from Twins in exchange for Minor League LHP Paul Bargas. Rox have 39 on 40-man. @MLB
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According to Wikipedia, Morales was the Twins 3rd round pick in 2001. IL all-star in 2007. Hit .311 with the Twins in 2009. And played 1B for the first time late last year… Unfortunately he only hit .194 in 36 AB with the Twins last year.
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by Junction Rox on Dec 16, 2010 4:06 PM MST up reply actions
excellent.....:/
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Sounds like he's had some injury issues the last 2-3 years
Hurt an ankle in 2007 after his first game (went 3-3 that game, though…). Then missed half the season in 2008 with another ankle injury. And last year he lost some time with a wrist injury, which had something to do with him spending most of the season at AAA.
There’s a discussion here of whether Morales or Drew Butera should back up Mauer, with some info on Morales…
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by Junction Rox on Dec 16, 2010 4:17 PM MST up reply actions
I'll take that OBP, FWIW
and the contact looks decent. He’s probably at least as good as Paul Phillips, right?
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Right
of course at this point, you and I may be as good as what Paul Phillips has left…
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by Junction Rox on Dec 16, 2010 4:20 PM MST up reply actions
who? no really?
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Morales looks pretty much like McKenry, at least from his Minors numbers
a little better OBP, little less SLG, a little less defensive behind the plate maybe?
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No power, and not much of an arm, but the guy has raked at every level he’s played at. Last year was the first in four that he didn’t hit over .300 in AAA. Not a traditional catch-and-throw backup, but worth a flyer, and certainly worth Paul Bargas.
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Looks like he played middle infield in his first couple Minor League seasons
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I'm a Morales fan.
He had like 30 great ABs in April 2009 when Mauer started on the DL. Like people have said, no power but a decent approach at the plate and not a complete embarrassment behind it.
Also, played two games at first this past year. I think I saw one of them, and he looked alright.
That Mauer guys name keeps coming up
We probably should have just held out for him in the deal….
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by Junction Rox on Dec 16, 2010 4:19 PM MST up reply actions
LOL CHEEPTWINZ!!!
No personal offense intended to you or any of your family by that comment, which is intended to be taken only in a humorous manner. Any resemblance to any LOLCHEEPTWINZER is purely coincindental.
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by Junction Rox on Dec 16, 2010 4:22 PM MST up reply actions
Sounds to me like they're almost mirror images...
McKenry is more of a defense first guy who doesn’t hit that well. Morales seems to be a contact hitter with some defensive issues, at least from what I’ve gathered in 5 minutes of intensive research on a couple Twins blogs…
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by Junction Rox on Dec 16, 2010 4:19 PM MST up reply actions
That's pretty accurate
I remember some people doubting how well his OBP would translate to the major leagues, but he’s got a decent track record in that regard.
at the very least, we have another Morales
and such a good track record with them
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The Fightin' Morali....?
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Maybe it'll be the healing voice he needs
Either way, this is better than the Cervelli move I suggested yesterday. Provides decent depth and doesn’t really cost anything. Unless Paul Bargas is John Galt.
Do we play the Angels this year?
Morales facing Morales with Morales behind the plate would be fantastic.
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by Junction Rox on Dec 16, 2010 4:36 PM MST up reply actions
Huh....Mariano Rivera was considering signing with the Red Sox
Mariano Rivera admitted the unthinkable had been a possibility.
The Boston Red Sox offered him a chance to turn in his pinstripes and switch sides in baseball’s fiercest rivalry.
“It was real. It was real,” he said Thursday.
Oh I would have loved to have seen this just to watch Yankeedom lose their collective mind.
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Well if he's willing to do that
we should at least make an offer
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Oh...shoot....
apparently, he re-signed with the Yankees….darn it!!
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They would have just booed him mercilessly, and maybe set his house on fire
But I don’t think they’d lose their minds over it.
ermm...arson is NOT losing one's mind?
awesome….
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Until relatively recently (~15 years ago), arson was a pretty common crime in NYC.
Probably wouldn’t even make the news.
ohhhh kaaay?
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Baseball fans love numbers. They love to swirl them around their mouths like Bordeaux wine. ~Pat Conroy
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Wow. Heath Bell had typhoid fever!
So I guess we should henceforth dub him Typhoid Belly?
I keeed…(because he’s recovered)
http://www.gaslampball.com/2010/12/15/1879227/heath-bell-got-typhoid-fever
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typhus is still a thing?
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Apparently in Tavauru
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Gaslamp is way more brutal than anyone on PR
How would Bell know what it’s like to run 5 miles? I wonder if Typhoid is his new weight loss plan this off-season instead of his usual Wii Fit workouts.
Sorry, I didn't mean to link to GLB...
I put in the wrong link and it was too late to change it..
But yes they are incredibly brutal…..mean as MCC but not nearly as funny
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actually yeah, the whole writeup is pretty decent
completely unprofessional, but funny
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Ian Stewart.
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?
I don’t get this.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 16, 2010 4:42 PM MST up reply actions
We rip Stewie apart around here based on very little
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Hahaha nice reference
Pretty true.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 16, 2010 4:57 PM MST up reply actions
That is just wrong
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I assume it has to do with Ian's off-season fitness program
and lack of slopping hogs…or some such
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I found it fascinating
It was cool watching Roberto Clemente, Roger Maris, Mickey Mantle, Yogi Berra in a game that was only seen on TV once….
Definitely some interesting plays and one that was somewhat controversial.
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I have it on the DVR, can't wait to watch it
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I just meant the Tracy thing
If anyone really thinks Stewie isn’t a serious baseball player/can’t get better because he tweets about non-baseball stuff, they don’t really get the internet or baseball.
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