Rockies Acquire Jose Lopez
According to Shannon Drayer of ESPN 710 AM in Seattle, the Rockies have acquired IF Jose Lopez from the Mariners for prospect Chaz Roe.
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I guess we'll post something more in-depth once more information becomes available.
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Dec 2, 2010 8:42 PM MST reply actions
Bad attitude or no talent?
Honestly don’t know. Didn’t he kick butt in the NL a while ago? Different Lopez?
by BostonTransplant on Dec 2, 2010 8:45 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Poor conditioning lead to a decline in defensive ability and bat speed and zero selectivity at the plate
He’s going to need to get into much better shape to have the same value he did at that point.
and by this, I mean the 27 HR's he hit two years ago.
I think you’ve got somebody else confused with him as far as the NL and 191 hits.
Yeah, he's the perfect hybrid of Clint Barmes and Pablo Sandoval.
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Dec 2, 2010 8:48 PM MST up reply actions
So if that's all we want in a player
why not just go get Garret Atkins?
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Well, there’s the total lack of evidence that Atkins can hit big league pitching anymore. Seriously, as bad as Lopez was last season, Atkins’ 2010 makes it look almost All-Star worthy.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
I guess to be fair
Playing on the Mariners in that stadium would make anyone depressed
by BostonTransplant on Dec 2, 2010 8:54 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
That was Felipe.
Or Javy.
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Dec 2, 2010 8:47 PM MST up reply actions
Different guy. Here’s our new Lopez. The type of guy who always felt like he was on the verge of a breakout until he cratered last year. He will be coming to a friendlier hitting environment so it’s not completely out of the question that he could duplicate a year like 2008, but his devotion to things like ‘being in shape’ and ‘not eating the last donut’ will have to improve.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
He will benefit from being in a park that doesn't sap all of his value
His power is exclusively to left field, and it’s not great power, at that. All but one his HRs in 2008 didn’t even clear 400 feet. That being said, being in a ballpark more suited to his talents will give him some value. He’s average-ish defensively and will hit for enough power to keep him from being terrible offensively.
I was skeptical about your comment on his defense, but then I saw he was second in the entire American League in defensive WAR last year. (That’s one we like around here, right? WAR?) So, there’s that.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
Just from a fan's point of view...
Having watched him in Seattle since he came up, his problems defensively come are largely mental. His range is ok and he’s got a good arm. He just tends to make dumb mistakes a lot. It ties into that whole conditioning/lazy beef people have had with him.
I dunno, that looks like it's worth a shot.
OPS+ over 100 two years running. Decent defensive numbers. Just one awful year last year. I tend to think two bad years in a row is a red flag. One could be anything.
And check it out! He’s Venezuelan!
by BostonTransplant on Dec 2, 2010 9:17 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I just find it funny that a third of our team ...
is from the same small country in South America. Actually, it’s kind of cool. Gives us an identity or sorts.
I’m weird that way. Carry on.
by BostonTransplant on Dec 2, 2010 9:38 PM MST up reply actions
BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Is it 2011 yet?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 2, 2010 8:46 PM MST via mobile reply actions
ugh
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Ohhh I like this idea!
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Ha! Under what category as troll,inappropriate or spam?
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Where was Chaz Roe in our PuRP list?
Are we mad about giving him up?
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Don’t think Roe’s been ranked for the last year’s worth of PurP lists, actually. Kinda has stalled out at the upper levels but he’s still got one plus pitch (curveball). He’s precisely the kind of guy you should be using to trade to take a flyer on a guy like Lopez.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
except for the fact that Lopez wasn't going to be tendered and if the Rockies wanted him this badly,
I’m doubting anybody else would have paid as much on the open market for him.
This is what really confuses me about this move.
Lopez was going to be non-tendered.
Now we gave up a player for him, AND he has to go to arbitration.
Did we really think anybody was going to outbid us for Jose Lopez?
Sounds like a move the Houston Astros made recently for a certain shortstop.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 2, 2010 10:39 PM MST up reply actions
Actually, it's eerily similar.
Pull-hitting middle infielder, with 20+ HR power, coming off a down year, and about to be non-tendered?
Almost makes you wonder why you don’t just stick with Barmes. At least that way you keep the top-notch defense.
Isn't it possible that if he was non-tendered, he may have had more suitors than just us?
Maybe or maybe not. Just asking.
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Its possible, and I'm guessing that was O'Dowd's motivation behind the move.
But after his 2010, I had a hard time seeing somebody getting into a bidding war with us for Jose Lopez. I mean, we could possibly have signed him for less than the $3 million he’ll make this year.
Oh well. Hopefully O’Dowd saw something and Lopez can hit like 30 dingers away from Safeco.
I think he will cost $4.5 million...
with the option he had with Seattle. Not sure it’s true, but I read something about it.
I believe that option was declined.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 2, 2010 11:16 PM MST up reply actions
It was, just confirmed.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 2, 2010 11:17 PM MST up reply actions
But if that option was declined, then wouldn't he be a FA? Or was he offered, and accepted arb?
If his option was declined, then I’m not certain how he’s actually considered our property.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
He had to be offered arb (or a contract) by us
or else we would have to non-tender him (which makes no sense).
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Yeah, no, that’s not equivalent.
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by Franchise26 on Dec 2, 2010 8:57 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, Konerko wasn’t happening. If it comes to be that this move keeps the Rockies from pursuing a worthwhile catcher candidate, I’ll be upset then, but I tend to take more of a wait and see approach in that regard. I would find it highly unlikely that Lopez will make more at arbitration than the 3 million he made last year – in fact, I would almost expect he’d make significantly less.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
Apparently (at least per one generally accepted defensive metric) he was quite good at third base last year. He’s played second, and could probably spell at first. Basically, think of him as a Melvin Mora replacement with a little more pop.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
He's probably better than 2010 rox 2b, but I'd rather see Nelson get a shot, first
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
He only made three million last year after a 25-homer season. I doubt he’ll break the bank after what he did in 2010.
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you're good at this.
glad somebody’s taking up the pros side. I’ll add one, he actually hasn’t been shabby in his career vs. the NL, with a .303/.335/.417 line. We can hope that some of that is liking the different pitching style.
He's not without value
Lopez has big flaws as a player, there’s no doubt. He absolutely will not take a walk, he has conditioning and focus issues and he’s coming off two straight terrible seasons. That being said, he can still be a league-averageish player.
Wonder if those conditioning and focus issues might be mitigated by the fact that he’s coming into his final arb year and could set himself up for a pretty big payday with a big 2011 at one of baseball’s best hitters parks.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
It's possible
But I don’t think I ever saw anything really motivate Lopez in his 5 years in Seattle. He just did what he did and kind of puttered along.
Can we call in the people who got Sherri Sheppard into shape?
All about believing in yourself or something.
Go Bruce!
Hmm. What did Tulo say about expecting his teammates to work?
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Well now he'll be his DP partner so this could get interesting
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 2, 2010 9:58 PM MST up reply actions
I'll add another (even though I'm holding my breath and my nose)
DOD’s pulled off a couple of stunners this week.
If he thinks Jose Lopez is worth a shot, then he’s worth a shot. I’ll withhold judgment until the end of spring training.
If he is right, then we’ve got a viable super-utility player who can spell Todd, Ian, and pick up some games at 2B.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
I'll add one more even though I hate the signing
Lopez may get better now that he’s not playing home games in Seattle. His career numbers at home included a .667 OPS, a .288 wOBA and a 77 wRC+ while his road numbers show a .724 OPS, .313 wOBA, and a 94 wRC+. Not good but at least those road numbers are better than his career line.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 2, 2010 10:03 PM MST up reply actions
whatever happened to DOD signed Hampton?
I honestly don’t understand whats wrong with Lopez as long as he comes cheap and has to earn his way on the line up, but I don’t get how this has anything to do with DOD. Wouldn’t you pick Lopez up if it was a great deal?
please understand I may be
way underestimating Roe
Roe probably wouldn't have made it with the Rockies
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2010 10:30 PM MST up reply actions
How was that sarcasm?
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2010 10:32 PM MST up reply actions
I believed that roe had little chance of making the team
the point was why not trade him even for someone like Lopez.
I think you miss my point, which is...
1. Most people here (and I’m one of them) consider Jose Lopez not a desirable pickup, because of talent, work ethic, etc….however….
2. DOD has been a really strong GM for us ever since they made the decision to actually build a franchise from within, extend our stars, etc, so….he’s built up years of goodwill and trust, as far as I’m concerned, so……
3. If DOD sees something in Jose Lopez that he thinks has somehow escaped us, I’m 100% willing to trust him on this.
I think your potential logic error here is in calling this a “great deal”, because the common wisdom appears to be that Jose Lopez is not what we need, hence the disconnect.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
Well it's pointless
Is giving up Roe for someone like Lopez not a great deal? It seems to me like it’s probably the best deal we could have got. Lopez maybe not the best thing for the Rockies, but it’s not like we gave up anything for him.
We didn't give up anything talent-wise
But we cost ourselves about $3m in doing so.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
And considering we only had about $9 million left to make moves with,
I’m not exactly comfortable with Jose Lopez taking up a third of that.
sorry I didn't know what it cost us.
yeah I’m not ok with spending 3 million of our 9 on Lopez
It could be worse...according to Cot's
Jose Lopez inf
4 years/$6.07M (2007-10), plus 2011 club option
* 4 years/$6.07M (2007-10), plus 2011 club option
o signed extension with Seattle 4/07, replacing 1 year/$0.42M deal signed 3/07
o $1M signing bonus
o 07:$0.42M, 08:$0.5M, 09:$1.6M, 10:$2.3M, 11: $4.5M club option ($0.25M buyout)
o if Lopez otherwise would qualify for arbitration after 2007 season, and if Lopez has 500 or more PAs in each preceding season, base salaries increase as follows: 08:$1.5M, 09:$2M, 10:$2.75M, 11:$5M club option
o $0.125M annually in physical performance bonuses: $25,000 for passing each of 4 in-season physical tests (body-fat percentage, 60-yard sprint, 20-yard shuttle run & vertical jump), plus $25,000 for passing 4 in 1 year
o award bonus: $50,000 for being voted to start All Star game, $25,000 for All Star selection
o Seattle declined 2011 option 11/3/10
o acquired by Colorado in trade from Seattle 12/2/10
* 1 year/$0.335M (2006)
* agent: Martin Arburua
* ML service: 4.140
Gotta love the bolded bit.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
lol, good god we have our own personal Panda now
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
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by Colsportsfan on Dec 2, 2010 11:14 PM MST up reply actions
Guy is 6 ft, 205
So am I. I have no business being near a baseball field. Softball almost kills me.
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IAWTC. There's a slight chance DOD knows more than we do. :)
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Calling Roe a prospect is a bit generous
Of all the guys on the 40man, he’s probably the one I give up first.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 2, 2010 9:07 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Agreed.
i’ve always been a fan of him though. Loved his name. Lol
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2010 9:53 PM MST up reply actions
You're right about that, but I don't think it's that farfetched to refer to him as a prospect.
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Dec 3, 2010 8:02 AM MST up reply actions
Probably
should have given up a case of baseballs for him. Oh well. Time for Lopez to catch lightning in a bottle.
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humidored or unhumidored?
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by Junction Rox on Dec 2, 2010 11:32 PM MST up reply actions
Big upgrade at 2nd base....
That’s how bad our internal candidates are. I see Lopez starting 120 games at 2nd.
To me he's insurance
There’s a 90% chance he can play replacement level at 2B. That covers the risk of EY, Nelson, et al pulling a Jayson Nix.
Bleed purple
If he's the full time starting 2B, we've got problems.
Nelson should be a much better option than Lopez if he’s given a chance.
by blooming rock on Dec 3, 2010 11:26 AM MST up reply actions
From DavidOhNo:
Prior to ‘10 season, Lopez’s 60 pcntl. PECOTA had a slash line of .296/.336/.493. Still has ability to be poor man’s Cano with good year.
I’m mostly indifferent to this, myself.
I think even a .336 OBP would be otherworldly for him
Considering his career high in HRs and BBs are basically equal.
Why does this stat sound familiar?
Oh well, at least we know it worked out swimmingly with Olivo..
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by Junction Rox on Dec 2, 2010 11:35 PM MST up reply actions
Meh
Why not? He’s one year removed from a pretty big season.
And I’ve learned to trust O’Dowd completely.
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Plus, the guy is fairly young.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2010 9:54 PM MST up reply actions
This just makes up for all the time since Ronnie Belliard that the Rockies have failed to keep a fat infielder on the 25-man.
Is it 2011 yet?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Dec 2, 2010 9:53 PM MST reply actions
Well, we had 2008-09 Garrett Atkins.
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Dec 3, 2010 8:03 AM MST up reply actions
since we are interested in Mariners. Why not go after Casey Kotchman? I don't know all of his stats.
Only posted a .244 average. But he is a free agent. I think he is a right handed 1st baseman. Would anybody be interested? Opinions?
Kotchman is a lefty
He is also completely terrible with the bat. Good defense, though!!
Amazing defense.
Terrible bat. Left handed. Makes no sense to get him lol. Not versatile, just doesn’t make sense Roxman.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2010 9:58 PM MST up reply actions
Entering age 27 season....
And with 5 years of starting experience. The fact that Lopez hit 25 bombs at age 25, and in the .290’s at age 24 tends to make me dismiss his bad year in 2010. Obp is bad, but he’s a career .280 hitter away from Safeco.
If he hits .280 on the road for us and .290 at home, I see a .285/.320/.475 year as entirely plausible. And that’s a heck of a lot more than we would get from EY2/Nelson/Herrera.
umm?
I know that Adam LaRoche is a lefty, but wouldn’t he be nice at Coors. He would want to start all the time. So that option is out.
Stop looking at 1B.
We’re looking for versatility.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2010 10:04 PM MST up reply actions
It's just nice to see the Rockies making moves
Even if Lopez is just average, that would be an upgrade over Barmes. And as much as I love Herrera, he is a below average hitter as well.
I'd trade Herrera right now
He has to have a little value right?
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2010 10:15 PM MST up reply actions
Doubt Herrera has much value
EYJ might get something back, but I would think much either
well, at least teams have called about EYJ.
by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2010 10:30 PM MST up reply actions
I'd still like to have EYJ.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2010 10:30 PM MST up reply actions
I'm entirely indifferent.
I’m not saying cast him off, but I wouldn’t hesitate to trade him.
by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2010 10:33 PM MST up reply actions
That's where I stand
I just don’t see EY2 as ever really being more than a LH PR option, given his defense, and his seeming inability to extend ABs. He’s not really useless, but he’s going to have a real hard time being an every day player, and he’s not versatile enough to be a superutility guy.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
Underestimating his speed
He needs work, but he’s young. I wouldn’t give up on him yet.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2010 10:36 PM MST up reply actions
We realistically have a 2-3 year window to win a title
No time for projects any more. Need production.
Who says a project can't produce?
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2010 10:43 PM MST up reply actions
nobody
but would you trust your old jalopy with a failing transmission for a cross country road trip?
by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2010 10:44 PM MST up reply actions
You're not really comparing EY2 to an old jalopy are you?
I believe the man deserves a bit more than that RMN.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2010 10:47 PM MST up reply actions
Yep. I'm right there with you.
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I'm happy with this
Lopez basically takes Mora’s spot. As good as Mora was for us last year, he really was only a one trick (or position if you will) pony. He wasn’t good at 2b, looked iffy at 1b. Lopez, provides a backup plan in for Stewart, Helton, and the trio of Nelson, EY, and Herrera.
I am excited about his power potential moving out of Safco and into Coors, and I think a season of .280/.320/.470 with 20+ Homeruns is not out of the question.
Now all we need is a Leftie masher to platoon with Seth Smith and I think we will be all set.
Good move here.
Clint Barmes is not a good hitter.
Free Chris Nelson.... again.
Exactly. Lopez takes Mora's spot, that's how I saw it too.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2010 10:31 PM MST up reply actions
Here's how I see it.
Lopez’ best 2 seasons were 2008 and 2009, in which he had the following production:
2008: .297/.322/.443, 17 HR, .328 wOBA, 104 wRC+, 2.4 WAR
2009: .272/.303/.463, 25 HR, .325 wOBA, 101 wRC+, 2.6 WAR
Lopez’ 2010 wasn’t pretty:
2010: .239/.270/.339, 10HR, .268 wOBA, 68 wRC+, 0.7 WAR
In those same seasons, Clint Barmes put up the following lines:
2008: .290/.322/.468, 11HR, .344 wOBA, 102 wRC+, 1.9 WAR (basically the same as Lopez’ 2008 but with less playing time, what with the Nix/Baker experiments)
2009: .245/.294/.440, 23HR, .312 wOBA, 80 wRC+, 1.7 WAR (we’re already seeing the dropoff from Lopez)
2010: .235/.305/.351, 8HR, .284 wOBA, 67 wRC+, 0.4 WAR.
Basically put, Lopez’ worst season of the past 3 was better than Barmes’ worst.
Looks like at least over the past 3 seasons, Lopez > Barmes. Not really night-and-day, but better.
For the sake of argument, let’s say they’re equal.
That would mean we just traded Chaz Roe for Felipe Paulino.
There’s an awful lot of “meh” in there, but I see it as a net positive.
Well, and in theory, Lopez will cost a little bit less in 2011 than Barmes
Still, I think Nelson can be better than Lopez.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
I'd like to hear people's thoughts on this...
Russell Martin and Lastings Milledge. Both righties. If somehow Milledge figures it out he can become great. And if he doesn’t his career splits vs. lefties aren’t awful .289/.363/.798. Obviously not Diaz but is another bounce back guy that DOD seems to love. Not exactly a guy that’s popular in the clubhouse where he has been but maybe he’s ready to work? We’ve seen how good Martin can be and if he has anything left in the tank he’d be a good backup at least. Would be interesting to see how much he asks for compared to bringing back Olivo. He may like the one year deal that the rockies are trying to stick to with Rosario on his way up as it could be a way to re-establish himself. However after catching 117/145/149/137 games the four years prior to last its concerning how much he does have left in the tank even at 28. Just throwing it out there. What do you guys think?
Martin, want
Milledge, not terrible, but he’d be an awful personality fit. Lot of trouble with that fella.
by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2010 10:35 PM MST up reply actions
You're reading my mind tonight
Milledge – DO NOT WANT
He’s been a malcontent everywhere he’s gone.
I don’t like Russell Martin, but mostly because he’s a Dodger. I’m not sure he’s actually healthy now.
So let's just win 12 more games next year, mmmkay?
Will the Gints complain about the non-humidor balls in Citizens Bank Ballpark when they lose there, too?
If he's not healthy yet, he'll come cheap.
And our catching depth is nil, so I’d love to give Martin a shot.
Yeah obviously the management would have to
see that he would start to work. We have the leaders that could make him think he might want to start working (Helton, Tulo) and he is in a spot in his career where he knows he has one shot left (if that). The Mets, Nationals and Pirates never really had those guys. Kind of like the Patriots style, we’ll take your baggage and turn it into something or cut it loose. Not a great analogy but I’m trying…..
Definitely would go for Martin.
Milledge doesn’t really fit..
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2010 10:36 PM MST up reply actions
Depends
on how much Russell Martin is asking for.
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Immediate memo to Jim Tracy:
Jose Lopez is a utility guy.
NOT somebody you start at third regularly over Ian Stewart because he manages to string together a couple of multihit games.
Please keep this in mind, thank you.
Don't crush my hopes already.
(Oh God Jose Lopez is going to be our starting second baseman all year isn’t he)
agreed
Let Stewart start the bulk of the games, Lopez is basically here for 2 things… one he will provide a right handed bat to spell Helton and/or Stewart if they should continue to not hit lefties well,
and two, he is insurance in-case one of Young, Nelson, or Herrera doesn’t work out.
Clint Barmes is not a good hitter.
Free Chris Nelson.... again.
I really really hope Jose Lopez isn't our "big right-handed bat" acquisition.
He can be the new Melvin Mora (with added ability to actually play second, but largely inferior bat), but that’s it.
25 homeruns in safco two years ago
and just 27 years old…
He could be a big bat, but I would still like to get one more guy in here that is a bit more of a sure thing.
Clint Barmes is not a good hitter.
Free Chris Nelson.... again.
Stop shoting down my arguements with your so called "Facts"
Clint Barmes is not a good hitter.
Free Chris Nelson.... again.
well, the point is kind of made by both of us
he hit 25 homers in 2009, but how many more would he have hit if he wasn’t being eaten alive by SafeCo?
by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2010 10:55 PM MST up reply actions
Then again to play devils advocate...
Barmes did hit 23 homeruns in 2009….
However I like Lopez a heck of a lot more then Barmes… and he has more potential then Mora did in the same roll.
Clint Barmes is not a good hitter.
Free Chris Nelson.... again.
and how many FEWER would Barmes have hit in some other park?
by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2010 10:58 PM MST up reply actions
I agree with you on the potnential, which is why I like the idea of giving him a try.
Lopez may definitely end up being a replacement for Barmes as the team’s designated frustrating hitter, however. I’m still intrigued by where he could go.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 2, 2010 11:01 PM MST up reply actions
Don't fool yourself...
Lopez is here to be a starter at 2nd Base. Hasn’t played less than 149 games since 2005.
I don't see it.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2010 10:58 PM MST up reply actions
Nooooo.
Please Chris Nelson, just hit .290/.380/.470 in Spring Training and don’t even give Tracy a chance to start Lopez.
I like him and EY.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2010 10:59 PM MST up reply actions
Not sure why everyone likes EY
I’m pulling for Nelson, but short of that I have no issues with Lopez.
Clint Barmes is not a good hitter.
Free Chris Nelson.... again.
Unique tools + familiar name.
A lot of people love EY for being EY, but still acknowledge his flaws. I don’t have any problem at all with Mr. Young Jr. being in the picture. I want whoever wins the job in the Spring to be that player. Despite being somewhat positive on the Lopez acquisition, I do not want him handed such a spot either.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 2, 2010 11:02 PM MST up reply actions
Eric Young Jr. offers more IMO than either Nelson and Herrera
he is exactly what we need from a leadoff man if he could just get on base more. Doesn’t have the power Nelson does, but that’s not what we need him for. We need his speed to generate runs.
By the way, I’m pulling for Nelson to make the job out of ST :P
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2010 11:04 PM MST up reply actions
The problem is I don't think EY2 has the bat speed, plate discipline, or pitch recognition
to raise his OBP enough to be a suitable leadoff man.
Just out of curiosity, if you think EY2 offers more than Nelson, why are you pulling for Nelson to win the job?
he's the underdog.
That’s basically it. And the steal of home gave me goosebumps.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2010 11:08 PM MST up reply actions
You cant still first
EY’s speed does us no good if he cant get on base, and watching him last year and looking at numbers, I just don’t see him ever becoming nothing more then a late inning Pinch runner.
Clint Barmes is not a good hitter.
Free Chris Nelson.... again.
He's so young though.
All I want is a fair race in ST.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2010 11:07 PM MST up reply actions
I can get behind that for sure
but I think in the short term and long term Nelson is and will be the better player.
Clint Barmes is not a good hitter.
Free Chris Nelson.... again.
What if we made him carry Mike McKenry?
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 2, 2010 11:09 PM MST up reply actions
I think him offering "more" than the other two is an illusion, at least at this point.
“Different” would be more apt, I feel. Young is the most unique of the three, but not more developed. I’m not one to rule out that development. I’m just saying that development has to happen first.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 2, 2010 11:07 PM MST up reply actions
I think it also has a lot to do with the energy EY brings
While he’s certainly not a polished player yet, his raw speed always seems to make things interesting. Many times it actually gets him into trouble but I always feel like something wild is about to happen (good or bad) whenever EY is in the game.
He gets a very high score on the fun meter.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 3, 2010 9:02 AM MST up reply actions
Lopez can him just below that....
and Tracy would still start him for being a “Vertern”
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
Zomtober!!!
by Colsportsfan on Dec 2, 2010 11:18 PM MST up reply actions
hit*
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
Zomtober!!!
by Colsportsfan on Dec 2, 2010 11:18 PM MST up reply actions
If Chris Nelson wants Tracy to start him at 2B he better hit .325/.350/.375 in ST
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
*.475
A .375 slugging percentage reeks of BABIP
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Dec 3, 2010 8:07 AM MST up reply actions
Much better than that
I think he did that in 2010, but Herrera did better
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 3, 2010 2:34 PM MST up reply actions
This was my first thought
will be pretty surprised if he’s not the presumptive starter going into ST.
I'm getting the feeling tracy will not get that memo
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
Zomtober!!!
by Colsportsfan on Dec 2, 2010 11:17 PM MST up reply actions
me too
terrible trade.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2010 10:48 PM MST up reply actions
Expected as of a few days ago.
Tomorrow’s rockpile will take a look at where our projected roster has come over the past two months.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 2, 2010 10:46 PM MST up reply actions
....as well as analysis of the Lopez deal
by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2010 10:48 PM MST up reply actions
... which is part of where our projected roster has come over the past two months...
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 2, 2010 10:49 PM MST up reply actions
Haha.
I mean, sad, but haha.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 2, 2010 10:55 PM MST up reply actions
I feel pretty bad for him.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2010 10:57 PM MST up reply actions
I do too.
All of the humor I see in this comes from the situation in general, and not because it’s happening to Buchholz.
I remember three years ago when we claimed Sean Thompson off waivers. We part of a series of five waiver stops in a single year, followed by a non-tender for that guy.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 2, 2010 10:59 PM MST up reply actions
sorry for the stupidity
but what does that stand for??
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2010 10:59 PM MST up reply actions
Milk, Lactose, Coffee.
Minor League Contract.
by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2010 11:00 PM MST up reply actions
I'm having a hard time
I keep thinking of names that would be a good low flier risk as a potential platoon partner for Smith, name such as:
Gabe Gross
Matt Joyce
Jeremy Hermida
only to do further research and find out that they are all left handed…. grrr
Clint Barmes is not a good hitter.
Free Chris Nelson.... again.
well actually
naw just kidding. I did the same thing and was disappointed in exactly the same fashion.
by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2010 10:56 PM MST up reply actions
Add Jason Kubel
to the list of players I bothered looking up and finding out that they are Left Handed…. this sucks… doesn’t anyone bat right handed anymore?
Clint Barmes is not a good hitter.
Free Chris Nelson.... again.
Left Handed Pitching is almost as nice as Right Handed Power.
Forgot where I read that.
by Andrew Martin on Dec 2, 2010 11:02 PM MST up reply actions
I found one
Oscar Salazar
Bill James and Zips seem to like him… I’m not sure why. Decent minor league numbers and did well in 2009 for the Padres despite small sample size alert. Wouldn’t take to much to get.
Clint Barmes is not a good hitter.
Free Chris Nelson.... again.
I'm just fine with a CarGo/Fowler/Smith/Spilly/Garner outfield.
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2010 11:06 PM MST up reply actions
Jack Cust....
…. in a mirror.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 2, 2010 11:03 PM MST up reply actions
I have a final Saturday, another Wednesday and a paper due Tuesday
Damn you O’Dowd.
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Wouldn't help out too much
So no thanks :)
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by CentralCaliRox on Dec 2, 2010 11:03 PM MST up reply actions
Yea, not happy about this.....
I suppose it is an upgrade to Barmes, but seriously I rather just have Nelson start. Just a waste.
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
Zomtober!!!
If Nelson wins the job, Lopez could make an above-average utility infielder.
In that he defends well at 3rd and 2nd with some pop in his bat.
I really hope Nelson wins the job.
His defense is "meh" at best.
His biggest immediate value on the team is right handed power. He’ll certainly do a better job at second than Mora did, but that’s not saying much. He’s closer to versatile than what we saw there, but he’s not going to wow us with defense.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 2, 2010 11:19 PM MST up reply actions
Really? He was rated pretty highly as a defender at third last year.
And I have a hard time believing the Mariners would have started him if he was a bad defender, given their emphasis of run prevention last year.
Defense is difficult to characterize statistically, but you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who likes him as a defender.
Just about every scouting report I’ve read over the past hour has concerns about it right at the top.
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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 2, 2010 11:28 PM MST up reply actions
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