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Wednesday Rockpile: Evaluating End Of Year Payroll Data

Because there's really not much going on with the Rockies (and let's be honest, there won't be much going on for several weeks), this Rockpile will consist of some general baseball links with analysis on how they relate to the Rockies where appropriate. That isn't to say that you should just abandon Purple Row until pitchers and catchers report in February. We'll have plenty of great content up in the next few weeks. When I get more time in the coming weeks I'll be cranking out the rest of the 2010 Audit series, plus there will be more Player Reviews (including one later today) and plenty more baseball analysis along the way.

The payroll geek in me couldn't resist a few observations about the wonderful Maury Brown's list of end of year MLB payrolls. Brown describes why end of year payrolls are such useful data:

The final salaries in MLB show totals that include the 40 man roster, and shows how clubs ramp up, or shed payroll as the season progresses. ... When coupled with one or more years in the data set, it’s a good trending tool to see how clubs might be making a push for the playoffs when their development window is seen as open, or the shedding of payroll when clubs are reloading.

In all, a little over $2.9 billion was spent on player salaries in 2010, about 43% of the estimated MLB revenue figure of $7 billion. Overall, this is down 0.88% (about $26 million) from 2009. In any case, Brown's chart shows that the Rockies spent $87,974,390 in 2010 on player salaries -- that's about $3.75 million more than Colorado's ODP, which was $84,227,000. This stands to reason, as the Rockies were in contention for the playoffs until very late in the season and purchased such help for their run.

This number is significant in that it shows that Colorado's 2011 ODP target of around $86-87 million (again, this shows the Rockies' confidence in their team) will be pretty much the same as the EOY spending in 2010. This falls in line with the trend exhibited by the front office when comparing 2009 EOY spending ($84,450,797) to their 2010 ODP ($84,227,000). This is the sign of a team with playoff aspirations, one that believes a playoff run is worth spending a little extra for.

Looking at the NL West: the Rockies' EOY spending increased 4.17% from 2009 to 2010, the Dodgers cut 16.54% of their payroll (from $131.75 to $109.7 million), the Giants increased 6.53% (from $95.2 to $101.3 million), the D-Backs reduced their payroll by 4.43% (from $73.8 to $70.5 million), and the Padres held pretty steady while contending, raising payroll only 1.03% (from $43.21 to $43.65 million).

I encourage you to look over the chart in the link and see what teams jump out at you.

A few more links after the jump...

Off-Topic.

Star-divide

Very interesting to me was this analysis of 2010 NL offenses, which only looked at OBP and strand rate. According to that analysis, the Rockies had the second best offense in the NL last year with a .336 OBP and 55% strand rate. Of course, this can be grossly misleading without adjusting for Coors Field. Per wRC+, Colorado's offense was slightly below average -- they posted a 99 wRC+ in 2010, 1% below average (and 6th in the NL). So no, the Rockies weren't awful on offense, but they were hardly the world beaters that the linked article shows them to be. I am optimistic about their prospects going forward, but to characterize Colorado's 2010 offense as a juggernaut is pretty inaccurate.

Mike Axisa of Rotographs writes about the Rockies' backup closer for 2011. Of the three names he mentions (Rafael Betancourt, Matt Belisle, and the recently acquired Matt Lindstrom), I see both Betancourt and Belisle regressing from their 2010 levels simply because they were really really good in 2010 and because there are serious red flags for both (age for Betancourt, workload for Belisle). That leaves Lindstrom, a guy who was very effective last year in a closer's role until he got hurt. I for one am perfectly fine having Lindstrom come on in late inning situations (and he'll be the guy), though I think (and have thought for some time) that someone like Esmil Rogers could make a decent closer in a pinch.

As you might have read, LA Dodgers middle infielder Chin-Lung Hu was traded to the Mets for a minor league pitcher. Okay, so Hu is a replacement level player being traded for a minor league journeyman. But then again, there are the puns. And now let's never do that again.

Want to get into baseball? Try starting by purchasing a minor league franchise.

Finally, because every Rockies fan wants to relive this memory, MLB Network will be featuring the 2007 National League West tiebreaker between the Colorado Rockies and San Diego Padres in a new episode of MLB Network Countdown: Games of the Decade, 2000-2009 tonight at 7:00 p.m. MT.

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The Brewers are going to be a strong team in 2011

They should give the Cards and Reds a good run for their money.

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by BittenAnkles on Dec 29, 2010 9:50 AM MST reply actions  

I thought they were almost as good as the Cards and Reds before they added Greinke

now they are my pick to win that division.

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by Muzia on Dec 29, 2010 9:54 AM MST up reply actions  

I think there are three teams in both Central and Western divisions

that have at least a decent shot at winning it. The Phils and Red Sox have to be clear favorites in the east but this should make for a really exciting summer.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 29, 2010 9:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Random question

I don’t really get vesting options in contracts, is there an article around that explains it, or is it just something simple that I am not getting?

by Rosenort on Dec 29, 2010 9:53 AM MST reply actions  

it's pretty simple

they have certain indicators, such as 200 innings pitched

If the player meets that number, that option is automaticallly picked up.

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by Muzia on Dec 29, 2010 9:55 AM MST up reply actions  

i dig

thought it was more complicated than that, my brain is still mush from a week of constant eating and drinking.

by Rosenort on Dec 29, 2010 9:58 AM MST up reply actions  

In a bit of a non-sequitor...

Russell Wilson led UNC to victory last night in the Florida Citrus Bowl He seemed undetermined whether his future lies in football or baseball, given his quote. He seems to to think he has a shot at a QB position in the NFL as well as a shot at the bigs.

Go Bruce!

by Since1993 on Dec 29, 2010 9:54 AM MST reply actions  

I wouldn't as much say Wilson "led" them, as WVA turning the ball over five freaking times in the 2nd half sealed it

However, he did play quite well indeed.

But my goodness was WVA sloppy. Jenn was happy, doing her Wolfpack hand gestures all game (she’s a NC St undergrad grad…)

But Wilson’s going to need to decide what he wants soon, because there will be two rookie classes in 2012…that year’s, and this year’s, who will still be rookies after the 2011 season is cancelled.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 29, 2010 10:05 AM MST up reply actions  

Let's talk about Andy Pettite for a moment

A report here says he’s leaning towards retirement but is he just saying this as a negotiation ploy to get the Yankees to offer him more money. The Yankees will have a pretty big hole in their rotation if he’s not there.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 29, 2010 10:07 AM MST reply actions  

I doubt he's just playing

He’s done this for the last four years, and those who know him are pretty adamant that this isn’t about money. I think there’s a lot to be said for the fact he doesn’t want to be hounded this year about the upcoming Clemens trial, which will take place during the season (and which Pettite will actually be a part of).

That doesn’t mean he may not ultimately decide to play, but I think his waffling is pretty much genuine.

I hope he does retire, I’d love to see a 4th place Yankees team.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 29, 2010 10:10 AM MST up reply actions  

He's talked about retiring for four years??

Is he also sending overly revealing text messages to sideline girls on the Yankees broadcasts?

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

Bazinga!!

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by Junction Rox on Dec 29, 2010 10:54 AM MST up reply actions  

No, he left that part up to his former teammate

but substitute over the hill country singers for sideline girls…..

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by Mondogarage on Dec 29, 2010 10:58 AM MST up reply actions  

Jeff Francis becomes a pretty tempting buy for the Yankees if Andy retires

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by Muzia on Dec 29, 2010 10:12 AM MST up reply actions  

Would he rent a room in the Candian consulate?

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by Mondogarage on Dec 29, 2010 10:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Francis not a good choice for the Yankees

I don’t think the Yankees will pursue Francis. Too many question marks. He would be a good option for a team that already has a good rotation but needs some insurance in case someone crashes during the course of the season. Not sure what his agent is asking for him, but he will probaly go higher than the $1M the Rox are offering.

If his rehabilitaiotn is over, and he can get his old mojo back, he could definitely have an impact. But I would find it unusual for a team needing a key starter to go after him right now. I would thnk he could fit nicely in the Rox pen — just in case he is needed as a starter later on.

by Real Perspective on Dec 29, 2010 11:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Could be but ...

Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

by Real Perspective on Dec 29, 2010 11:58 AM MST up reply actions  

If Pettite retires

They’re there.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 29, 2010 12:04 PM MST up reply actions  

He ain't gonna retire!

I would think if he were serious about returing he would have already announced. He still has some muscle left. He is just giving his agent a chance to make some hay.

by Real Perspective on Dec 29, 2010 12:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Very possible

This is something I could see going either way

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 29, 2010 12:45 PM MST up reply actions  

I wouldn't like that

I want to see them have to go after Carl Pavano. It would be quite poetic.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 29, 2010 10:15 AM MST up reply actions  

No chance in hell they go after Pavano.

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by Muzia on Dec 29, 2010 10:16 AM MST up reply actions  

No chance in hell Billy Martin would have been rehired 3624 times, either.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 29, 2010 10:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Billy Martin actually wore the uniform

Pavano just sat back and stole money for four years

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by Muzia on Dec 29, 2010 10:22 AM MST up reply actions  

But that's the American Way!

Just think of the inaction figure:

Carl Pavano, great American! (porn stach optional)

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by Mondogarage on Dec 29, 2010 10:24 AM MST up reply actions  

That's a bit harsh

it’s not as if Pavano WANTED to be hurt. Just because he wasn’t as vocal about his displeasure as Darren Dreifort was didn’t mean he wasn’t trying to get healthy.

by Andrew Martin on Dec 29, 2010 11:36 AM MST up reply actions  

True, but didn't he develop a bad rep in the Yankees clubhouse wrt to his efforts to rehab?

Dunno how much of that was press overblown or not, but my fuzzy recollection is that at least a couple Yankees players actually questioned his efforts to recover and get back.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 29, 2010 12:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Interesting choice of words
The Yankees expected him to be healthy for the 2006 season, but Pavano began the season on the disabled list after bruising his buttocks in a spring training game. He did not pitch at all in the Majors in 2006, making only minor league rehab starts.

Guess you could say he busted his butt.

In spring training in 2007, Yankees pitcher Mike Mussina said that Pavano needed to prove that he wanted to pitch for the team. Mussina said he did not believe he was the only Yankee who felt this way. “It didn’t look good from a player’s and teammate’s standpoint,” Mussina said of Pavano’s injuries. “Was everything just coincidence? Over and over again? I don’t know.” Manager Joe Torre explained that the amount of work Pavano needed to do in repairing his clubhouse image was “sizable.”

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by Mondogarage on Dec 29, 2010 12:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Yup

I’m actually reading a cool book about the unwritten code of baseball…and I remember when folks first said something, I thought it must have been really bad, at least the perception.

Of course, nothing’s saying he couldn’t have grown from that, but I doubt he’d be very welcomed in that clubhouse.

Which is exactly why the Yanks should offer him 5/75!

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by Mondogarage on Dec 29, 2010 12:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Google?

Hell, Wiki is my friend for stuff like this

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by Mondogarage on Dec 29, 2010 1:43 PM MST up reply actions  

tangent..

I wonder if Billy Martin and George Steinbrenner are fighting in hell
(not saying that either are in hell, it just makes for better comedy)

George: Billy, you’re fired.
Billy: George, you can’t fire me. I’m already on fire.
George : Billy, I’m George Steinbrener. I can and have fired Lucifer.
Billy: Screw you, George. I’m getting drunk.

And this is how they spend eternity.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 29, 2010 10:58 AM MST up reply actions  

So, basically, hell is just like being alive in the Bronx

Well done!

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by Mondogarage on Dec 29, 2010 10:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Heck

Hell is like having a good team but being relegated to the NL cellar anyway. Hell is spending the rest of eternity wondering what might have been. Being in the Bronx when knowing you could be in Colorado instead could be a little bit of hell.

by Real Perspective on Dec 29, 2010 11:54 AM MST up reply actions  

That's why it would be so awesome

Pavano would be BY FAR the best starter left on the market and they would have to choose between going after him and having a gigantic hole in their rotation.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 29, 2010 10:21 AM MST up reply actions  

I have serious doubts that Pavano would consider ANY offer from NYC

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by Muzia on Dec 29, 2010 10:25 AM MST up reply actions  

I think he would accept Cliff Lee money

And when the Yankees are 19-33 at the end of May, he may just get it.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 29, 2010 10:28 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm only referencing my happy dreams, however, and not reality

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by Mondogarage on Dec 29, 2010 10:29 AM MST up reply actions  

He has lots of options

I am sure Pavano’s agent is negotiating with more than one team at present. He will not have to consider an offer from the Yanks.

by Real Perspective on Dec 29, 2010 11:39 AM MST up reply actions  

Ohhhhh

I like this.

/Yankees offer Cliff Lee seven years
/Cliff Lee signs with the Phils for five because Yankee fans spit on his wife

/Someone else signs Francis

/Yankees offer Pettite a big deal so he doesn’t retire
/Pettite retires anyway

/Yankees are forced to come crawling back to Carl Pavano because he’s the only good starter left
/Pavano says screw you and takes less money to go back to Minnesota while the Yankee rotation gets blasted by hitters all season long leaving them 15 games out by mid August.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 29, 2010 10:36 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

...leaving Yankees fans to get blasted around June

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by Muzia on Dec 29, 2010 10:37 AM MST up reply actions  

and by "June", you mean, 10am on April 4th.

/Yankees offer Pavano 5 years/$75m

/Pavano spits on Steinbrenner’s wife

/Cliff Lee publicly verbally ^5s Pavano

/Pavano signs one year deal with Rangers

/Yankees finish 13.5 GB in 4th place, behind Toronto.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 29, 2010 10:46 AM MST up reply actions   2 recs

Rec Rec Rec

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 29, 2010 10:55 AM MST up reply actions  

You could bring Silverblood back into the fold...

 I miss her and assume the PR Gynocrocy would swoon over her triumphant return.

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana

by Oldfoagie on Dec 29, 2010 1:34 PM MST up reply actions  

I think she'd shorten the off season doldrums.

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana

by Oldfoagie on Dec 29, 2010 1:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Last time I tried her link it didn't work

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana

by Oldfoagie on Dec 29, 2010 1:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Try again

It works

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 29, 2010 1:52 PM MST up reply actions  

My computer says she doesn't exist...

 Does this mean she became SDcat09?!!!!!! :-P

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana

by Oldfoagie on Dec 29, 2010 1:58 PM MST up reply actions  

If only I could write like Silver

and be her age again!!!

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by SDcat09 on Dec 29, 2010 1:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Why don't you contact her...

 I think we all could use her sense of serendipity. I am serious tho about not being able to use her link.

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana

by Oldfoagie on Dec 29, 2010 2:02 PM MST up reply actions  

When I last talked to her

she said that she would come back at some point. She still checks the site; just doesn’t post much anymore.

She’s extremely busy.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 29, 2010 2:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Her

email address (hrhodes@gm.slc.edu) isn’t working, or the link button to e-mail her isn’t working?

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by Russ Oates on Dec 29, 2010 2:06 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not that desperate. Just noted her prolonged abscence.

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana

by Oldfoagie on Dec 29, 2010 2:11 PM MST up reply actions  

She’ll come back eventually

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 29, 2010 2:13 PM MST up reply actions  

I haven't been able to use either. Then again it always hiccups on .edu addresses

 I vae a hell of a time trying my younger brother’s UMASS adress

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana

by Oldfoagie on Dec 29, 2010 2:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Hmm

Interesting.

It worked for me recently. Wonder what’s up.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 29, 2010 2:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Last time I tried her link it didn't work

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana

by Oldfoagie on Dec 29, 2010 1:48 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd be all for that.

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by Russ Oates on Dec 29, 2010 10:34 AM MST up reply actions  

same

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Dec 29, 2010 10:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Oh this would hurt

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by SDcat09 on Dec 29, 2010 10:54 AM MST up reply actions  

not for his sake. I just can't stand the thought of him being a Yankee....

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by SDcat09 on Dec 29, 2010 11:43 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, it'd suck as far as Rockies pride goes

but I like Francis, I hope he gets a MLB contract. He’s a good pitcher when he’s healthy.

by Andrew Martin on Dec 29, 2010 11:57 AM MST up reply actions  

We all like him

Would be a shame to see him in pinstripes rather than purple. Maybe the Rangers or the Cardinals will pick him up.

by Real Perspective on Dec 29, 2010 12:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Pretty much this

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by SDcat09 on Dec 29, 2010 12:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Check out the first three quotes on

this page’s quotes of the year.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 29, 2010 11:57 AM MST reply actions  

As the article said
We can only begin to imagine the breadth of meaningful topics discussed on Red Sox team flights

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 29, 2010 12:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh that was a great read RIRF...thanks for that fun

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by SDcat09 on Dec 29, 2010 12:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, I loved the entire list, but I loved this line:
“One of the doctors asked me to say the months backwards. I can’t do that on a regular day.”
— Nuggets forward Carmelo Anthony, on being knocked unconscious in a game against the Thunder

Page 2 spin: Sounds as if Melo would fit right in with the Red Sox.

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by Rox Fever on Dec 29, 2010 12:29 PM MST up reply actions  

My favorite may be
59. “I’m a baseball player. I don’t know how to read very good; I don’t know how to write very good. We just go play, man. That’s it.”
— Red Sox second baseman Dustin Pedroia

Page 2 spin: Pedroia should be admired for overcoming his academic shortcomings with superhuman levels of scrappiness.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 29, 2010 12:30 PM MST up reply actions  

I have no idea why this one isn't #1 with a bullet
94. “Its a official dat i am leavin skool and enterin draft. … i aint doin anotha yr.”
— Oklahoma point guard Tommy Mason-Griffin, declaring his career choice via Facebook

Page 2 spin: School will always be there, but you’d better take the opportunity to play in the D-League when it’s available.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 29, 2010 12:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah that should have been higher but my favorite is still #8
What an a—hole you are. How can you put your leg there where it can get run over, man?"
— Argentinian soccer legend Diego Maradona, to a journalist he had just run over with his car

Page 2 spin: Maradona possesses the driving skills of Randy Moss and the sensibility of Jose Canseco — in other words, he’s truly a Page 2 treasure

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 29, 2010 12:49 PM MST up reply actions  

And there's this
80. “It’s been a pleasure to bring my talents to South Beach — now on to Memphis.”
— Celtics forward Paul Pierce, after his team won in Miami on Nov. 11

Page 2 spin: Something tells us Pierce won’t be the last Heat opponent to play this card.

I truly cannot stand LeNarcissist James, and probably won’t give a crap about the NBA until he retires and they contract to 12 teams and sign Will Ferrell.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 29, 2010 12:55 PM MST up reply actions  

You know the irony of this...Is that some people though he was faking being knocked out...

unbelievable…but that’s a great quote…and probably speaks for most people…

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by SDcat09 on Dec 29, 2010 12:36 PM MST up reply actions  

I actually stopped for a second and saying the months backward isn't that difficult.

Quickly it might be, but saying the alphabet backward is much harder.

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by Rox Fever on Dec 29, 2010 12:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Try doing it after you've been knocked out cold

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by SDcat09 on Dec 29, 2010 12:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh yeah, but that's not because I can't do it on a normal day.

That’s because my brain would be a little wobbly like jell-o.

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by Rox Fever on Dec 29, 2010 1:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Another way to describe that....

Pedroia on a good day.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 29, 2010 1:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Precisely.

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by Rox Fever on Dec 29, 2010 1:29 PM MST up reply actions  

You're on fire today

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 29, 2010 1:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Manny anyone?

Any chance the Rox will pick up Manny on the cheap? He may not cost that much at this point, and he could make it all that harder for opposing pitchers to get past Cargo and Tulo.

by Real Perspective on Dec 29, 2010 1:21 PM MST reply actions  

Hell no

He hasn’t been nearly as good since he laid off the female hormones. Do not want at any price.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 29, 2010 1:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Manny being Mommy...

wait, that’s not right.

Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.

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by RdRnnr on Dec 29, 2010 1:23 PM MST up reply actions  

nope

There’s been no indication that the Rockies are even remotely interested, and he really doesn’t fit with the whole clubhouse vibe.

I personally wouldn’t hate the idea, but it isn’t happening.

by Andrew Martin on Dec 29, 2010 1:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Even if he wasn't a dimwitted ignoramus

he’d be a disaster on defense in Coors Field.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 29, 2010 1:58 PM MST up reply actions  

And Wiggy's gonna be much better?

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 29, 2010 2:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Wiggy will cost half as much, work twice as hard, and probably perform about the same

You’re giving far too much credit to a 39 year old former PED using slugger somehow being the same player he was in 2008.

I’d argue that Ramirez, a couple years off the juice, and with his work ethic and age, is no better than Todd Helton is likely to be this year. And even if he is, he’s in very clear decline.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 29, 2010 2:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Well yeah, but…

Who knew that Muzia’s love is like a rock tied to your feet, dragging you to the bottom of the ocean?
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by Muzia on Dec 29, 2010 2:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Gold, Jerry, Gold!
Getting to Batlantis will not be easy, because I have to go through the wettest part of the ocean

mermaids serve an elixir that increases your muscle mass and on-base percentage, and is untraceable.

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by Mondogarage on Dec 29, 2010 2:34 PM MST up reply actions  

my personal favorite
“Batlantis is big, man,” Ramirez added. “It’s underwater.”

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by Muzia on Dec 29, 2010 2:37 PM MST up reply actions  

I love the Onion so very very much.

Interested to see what that new IFC Onion news show is going to be like!

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Dec 29, 2010 3:23 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree Manny is falling off the cliff.

 Wiggy’s never been known for his D and and I see him falling off even with the Coors bump.

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 29, 2010 2:29 PM MST up reply actions  

I can't see why any NL team would want to sign Manny for any reason whatsoever

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by Mondogarage on Dec 29, 2010 2:34 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not saying I'd sign Manny...

 I’m just not that Impressed with Wiggy in the OF

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 29, 2010 2:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Wiggy should not be playing much in the OF.

With the amount of time he’ll be playing at 1B and 3B, especially if Lopez is the everyday 2B, whomever between Cole Garner and Eric Young Jr. wins the 25th spot will likely both be higher on the OF depth chart than Wigginton.

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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 29, 2010 3:03 PM MST up reply actions  

That depends a lot on Stewart working out in the 5 hole.

 If Stewart flops as #5 but is still otherwise productive; I can see Tracy trying to get Wiggy’s bat out there that way. To be truthful I hope Garner gets as much of a chance.

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 29, 2010 3:09 PM MST up reply actions  

According to UZR yes

Wigginton actually has a positive UZR in his limited outfield time while Manny has cost his teams 155.7 runs over the course of his career. (And that’s before taking into account Manny’s age and that failing to constantly hustle hurts you more at Coors than it does any other ballpark)

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 29, 2010 2:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Just to clarify

I don’t see Wigginton as a positive defender in the outfield but I don’t think he be terrible either.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 29, 2010 2:31 PM MST up reply actions  

I think that maybe sample size error.

 Wiggy doesn’t cover that much ground in the OF. You may become nostalgic for Hawpe!

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 29, 2010 2:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Wiggy will not primarily play in the OF for us

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by Mondogarage on Dec 29, 2010 2:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Tell that to Tracy!!!! :-)

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 29, 2010 2:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Let's see how it plays out first

I can’t see Wigginton starting that many games in the outfield for us.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 29, 2010 3:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes, if...

The NL adopts the DH. No, otherwise.

Go Bruce!

by Since1993 on Dec 29, 2010 5:11 PM MST up reply actions  

If the NL adopts the DH...I may stop watching baseball

well, I will stop watching baseball, because that won’t be baseball anymore.

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by SDcat09 on Dec 29, 2010 5:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Dunno...

I’m iffy on it. I don’t prefer it as there is that bit of strategy lost when deciding to risk pinch-hitting for your pitcher. Plus, you do have a guy on your roster who only does half a job. However, most pitchers can’t hit which makes their ABs kinda a pointless exercise. If however, the NL issued a snap order to institute the DH, I’d roll with it and call Manny.

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by Since1993 on Dec 29, 2010 5:19 PM MST up reply actions  

So after all of the above...

 Who wins the Chris Capuano sweepstakes? Scince the Brewers got Greinke; They pulled their arb offer tp C.C.

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 29, 2010 1:23 PM MST reply actions  

After all he's a left hander with an active pulse two years after a TJ.

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 29, 2010 1:27 PM MST up reply actions  

The Yanks will give him 3/21 after Pavano laughs at Hal Baby Daddy Warbucks Steinbrenner

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by Mondogarage on Dec 29, 2010 1:33 PM MST up reply actions  

If the Mets don't get him first!

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 29, 2010 1:36 PM MST up reply actions  

I think he'd push Cookie in camp if the Rox snared him.

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 29, 2010 2:22 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd give him a MLC with ST invite

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by Mondogarage on Dec 29, 2010 2:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Nothing can push him other than a surprise salary swap trade.

They’re not going to release nearly $10 million in salary to give Chris Capuano a rotation spot.

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by Greg Stanwood on Dec 29, 2010 3:05 PM MST up reply actions  

I think That depends on how hungary Capuano is.

 I could see an outright release if we saw a lot of bad Cookie.

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by Oldfoagie on Dec 29, 2010 3:15 PM MST up reply actions  

I see the Cook situation as a guy who just had a bad year

Take a look at his rate stats over the last several years and 2010 is clearly the outlier. Remember he changed his weight going into 2010 and then was injured for much of the season. Everything that could go wrong, did go wrong.

When he came back in September he was vintage Cook (even if it was just for two starts) before the Reds broke his leg. I think those two starts are very important because it shows that when healthy, Cook still has it. (SSS I know but there was some extra bite on Cook’s pitches in those last couple of starts that I hadn’t seen all year. He still has the ability to throw that heavy sink and when he’s on, he can be dominant)

I believe he’s going to be a real diamond in the rough for us next season.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Dec 29, 2010 3:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Cookie is for real all right

Hope his toe holds and he can avoid fluke injuries.

by Real Perspective on Dec 29, 2010 5:15 PM MST up reply actions  

certainly not to start the season

I believe Cook has had horrific spring training results in 3 of 5 seasons and went one to have good years in two of them. They won’t give up on cook based on ST. It’s just a small sample size against a strange collection of MLB starters, low prospects, and journeyman.

With that said, if Capuano falls into a Tim Redding level signing, he would be at the top of my list.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 29, 2010 5:37 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Good swingman, mebbe...

He, or Jeremy Bonderman.

Go Bruce!

by Since1993 on Dec 29, 2010 5:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Todd Helton hurts my back

as I have too many of his baseball cards to work my way through and organize (which hurts my back).

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by jrockies on Dec 29, 2010 5:03 PM MST reply actions  

That is a cruel and terrible headline

I totally read that as Todd Helton hurts his back…

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by SDcat09 on Dec 29, 2010 5:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Did you say Todd Helton is back?

Hope we see the old Helton this year and not the other one.

by Real Perspective on Dec 29, 2010 5:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Heh.....Todd 's back....how many ways can we read that?

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by SDcat09 on Dec 29, 2010 5:17 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd rather a younger Helton personally

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by jrockies on Dec 30, 2010 8:54 AM MST up reply actions  

Todd Helton has a Maybach?

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

Bazinga!!

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