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Sunday Rockpile: Denver Post spring preview, plus Rockies 2009 win values by original acquisition year

Before I get back to one last look on 2009, there are some Sunday morning links, namely several from Troy Renck at the Denver Post as he previews the issues for the team heading into Tucson:

Alright then, by the title, I'm referring to the year the Rockies originally obtained the player or players that would eventually turn into the contributions we got from either themselves or players they were traded for in 2009. I originally did something like this after 2007, but skipped 2008, well, because I'm not sure I wanted to know the results. All the values are FanGraphs WAR, which has its flaws certainly, but is good when you're trying to put pitchers and hitters in the same pot like this. 

Among the fascinating things I discovered by this exercise:

 

  • The Rockies either directly or through trade are still receiving contributions from players acquired by the team in every season since 1995. While some of these are Gebhard era successes, much of the credit should go to Dan O'Dowd for flipping talent.
  • Shawn Chacon was nearly as valuable for the Rockies in 2009 as Matt Holliday.., well, as long as you don't take into account JDLR's batting.
  • There was an awful lot of transaction energy put into producing what would eventually become Omar Quintanilla.
  • Speaking of Q, the Rockies acquired two Speiers in 2001, and both contributed (either directly or through their surrogate, in this case Quintanilla) at replacement level last season. Something has to be said for having most or all of a team's replacement players at least live up to that standard.  
  • The Rockies love the year of the Boar: 1995 and 2007 were magical years for the Rockies that seemingly just keep on giving, not only did they get playoff appearances, their transactions from those years were still contributing significantly to the team in 2009. For 2010, most of 2007's contribution will come in the bullpen from Rafael Betancourt, but don't count out Matt Reynolds or Casey Weathers adding to that as well.
  • Tulo plus Jason Hammel made 2005 the winner for total value added
  • 2004 has this workhorse thing going, making up in bulk what it currently lacks in star quality.
  • I actually believe acquisition years tend to peak seven or eight years after the fact, and with the Rockies strength in 2004 and 2005, that would point to something really special in 2012.
  • 2002 and 2003 seem like weak acquisition seasons relative to the years surrounding them right now. Part of that is due to Jeff Francis' injury, which brought down 2002's score quite a bit, and part of that is because 2003, outside of Ian Stewart, has turned out to be one of the worst Rockies drafts of the O'Dowd era, and thus far, we haven't received an International boost from that year to make up for it like we got from Ubaldo Jimenez in 2001. Esmil Rogers and I believe Juan Nicasio (I might be wrong on this) were both 2003 products, so that could be changing.

After the jump is the complete breakdown by year, starting with 1995, when the Rockies got a certain first baseman in the first round of the draft...

Star-divide

1995: 3.6 WAR

  • Todd Helton 3.6

1996: 3.7 WAR

  • Shawn Chacon 3.7

Jorge De La Rosa 3.7

1997: 1.9

1998: 3.9

  • Matt Holliday 3.9

Carlos Gonzalez 2.4

Huston Street 1.5

1999: 0.4

  • Manny Corpas 0.4

2000: 2.8

2001: 5.7


1/2 of Omar Quintanilla (via Joe Kennedy) 0.0

2002: 0.6

2003: 1.4

1/2 each of Joe Beimel 0.1

 

  • Esmil Rogers 0.1

2004: 6.6

Yorvit Torrealba* 0.8

2005: 9.3

  • Troy Tulowitzki 5.4
  • Aneury Rodriguez 3.8
Jason Hammel 3.8
Jason Grilli 0.1

1/2 of Omar Quintanilla 0.0

2006: 0.2

Jose Contreras 0.2

2007: 4.8

Jason Marquis 3.8

  • Connor Graham 1.0

Rafael Betancourt 1.0

2008: 0.3

Mike McCoy ** (-0.1)

 

2009: 0.3

* - Torrealba was acquired from by the Rockies in December 2005 in exchange for Marcos Carvajal, who was acquired from Milwaukee after the 2004 Rule 5 draft.

** - McCoy was originally acquired July of 2008 for Castro (who was signed as a free agent in May of that year) and then re-signed with the Rockies in January 2009 after testing the free agent market himself. In this case, since there wasn't a period in that time that he was officially with another team, I'm counting his Rockies service as continuous. It's the same sort of situation with Glendon Rusch. If I remember to do this next year, I'll treat Jason Giambi in a similar fashion.

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is WAR?

The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.

by rockieprogress on Feb 14, 2010 8:01 AM MST reply actions  

I found the reference above

The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.

by rockieprogress on Feb 14, 2010 8:07 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes, the numbers are by WAR, I'm sorry if I wasn't completely clear on that.

I probably should have specified at least at the beginning of the list. I made a couple of edits to fix that.

by Rox Girl on Feb 14, 2010 9:25 AM MST up reply actions  

This is a good idea for an article

I was considering this from a different angle – looking at the 40 man roster and their acquisition lineage. I like your format better, as it reflects on team success directly

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 14, 2010 9:43 AM MST reply actions  

And I was going to do something similar to this too!

Looks like we’re on the same wavelength—I could still do it by salary, but I’m not sure if it’s worth the effort.

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by Jeff Aberle on Feb 14, 2010 12:47 PM MST up reply actions  

We're a finalist for Jose Julio Ruiz, who's going to sign soon

http://www.elnuevoherald.com/deportes/beisbol/story/652445.html : that’s the original story

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elnuevoherald.com%2Fdeportes%2Fbeisbol%2Fstory%2F652445.html&sl=es&tl=en : there’s the translated one (used Google translator)

I like him if he’s willing to wait until 2012 to be our starting first baseman when Helton is (gulp) gone…..

Impossible not to have positive thoughts.

I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.

by bballrox4717 on Feb 14, 2010 10:37 AM MST reply actions  

Never going to happen.

We are not going to hand a decent prospect from Cuba a multimillion dollar contract to play 1B in AAA.

by mkorpal on Feb 14, 2010 10:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Well, it's no secret that we have no corners talent in the upper levels

Closest we have is Holcomb and Roling. I’d really wouldn’t mind having a real first baseman of the future for once, and I don’t think he’s going to get too much….

Impossible not to have positive thoughts.

I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.

by bballrox4717 on Feb 14, 2010 11:17 AM MST up reply actions  

I didn't say I didn't want it.

Just said it’s not going to happen. Besides, I would rather spend the money on something more useful right now.

by mkorpal on Feb 14, 2010 11:18 AM MST up reply actions  

Not going to happen? We are finalists, so the biggest hurdle there seems to already he bypassed.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 14, 2010 11:40 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Watching an entire

episode of Baseball Tonight right now dedicated entirely to Carl Crawford. Baseball’s almost here.

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by Russ Oates on Feb 14, 2010 10:53 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

Some of my favorite quotes from the articles linked
Though the lineup is a favorite topic in chat rooms, Tracy’s team is built to win because of pitching and defense.

At least the Colorado writers get it.

…[J]uggle playing time for three first basemen in spring training — Todd Helton, Jason Giambi and Brad Hawpe.

Interesting…

[Jim Tracy] went over lineups in his head, pitching combinations, ways to improve.

Maybe play your best players every day? Like, oh I don’t know, Seth Smith?

by controlled_slide on Feb 14, 2010 11:00 AM MST reply actions  

/channeling phishbate

Who?

Attention Whore.

by Muzia on Feb 14, 2010 11:20 AM MST up reply actions  

Some somehwat related trivia:

On the 40 man roster:
- 16 players are original Rockies draft picks.
- 16 players came to the organization as free agents.
- 8 players are the result of a trade.

by Greg Stanwood on Feb 14, 2010 11:29 AM MST reply actions  

In the really funny tangentially related to baseball links department...

AZ Snakepit’s Jim McLennan responds to a piece of hate mail from a Cubs fan.

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by Jeff Aberle on Feb 14, 2010 1:27 PM MST reply actions  

I loved that

By the way, wouldn’t the Dodgers cover pretty much any economic void left by the Cubs. And I like their fans a lot more, you only have to deal with them in the 4th and 5th inning.

by mkorpal on Feb 14, 2010 3:05 PM MST up reply actions  

That was fantastic

Great work by Jim staying level-headed while replying to a brick wall.

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Is it baseball yet?

by oo_nrb on Feb 14, 2010 5:14 PM MST up reply actions  

agreed

kudos, jim

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 14, 2010 6:25 PM MST up reply actions  

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