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Tuesday Rockpile: The enigma that is the Rockies' catch and bomb guy

No player has been as polarizing of a figure among Rockies fans, especially at Purple Row, as Chris Iannetta.  Some will point to his elite combination of patience and power for his position as strengths.  Others point to his inability to keep a starting job and incredibly low batting average.  But all Rockies fans agree:  Iannetta has the potential to be much better.

Iannetta undoubtedly struggled last year, but look at statistics other than his .228 batting average, and he was actual quite decent.  Despite his frustrations, Chris recognizes that in a Jack Etkin article:

"It wasn't as bad as I made it out to be...It wasn't good, but production was still top 10 in the league for my position" - Iannetta

It isn't surprising that a cerebral player like Iannetta would be in tune with the whole picture.  He was 7th in wOBA among MLB catchers with 340+ PA's last season.

Jim Armstrong points out in the Denver Post that CDI also has the seventh most home runs among MLB catchers the last two years.  Ironically, the man in front of him is now his backup, giving Colorado unparalleled power from behind the dish.  Also in Armstrong's article, Jim Tracy indirectly attempts to put to bed any questions that he and Iannetta had a poor relationship:

"He's another special talent.  How good he is, we don't know yet. We're really trying to find out, and we're going to continue to work very hard at trying to make him aware of how good he is because he's not sure, either...I want to see this young man realize how good he is. It's a goal of mine." - Jim Tracy

With the team losing the man that continued to take Iannetta's job while also providing financial security, the catcher still worked hard this offseason to improve.   In the Etkin piece, Iannetta speaks of what the added toe tap from Glenallen Hill has done for him:

"I wasn’t thinking about counts, I wasn’t thinking about pitch location, selection and stuff like that...I stopped thinking about all the little things and just went to hitting. And it made an immediate difference." -Iannetta

For a cerebral player like Iannetta, removing the overthinking risk can be huge.  One large thing to note here:  Chris actually started the toe tap last August.  After adding that wrinkle, he hit .310 with 2 doubles, a triple, two home runs in 26 AB's.

Iannetta undoubtedly hit below his potential last year.  If he can indeed take that step forward in 2010, he just might be one of Dan O'Dowd's better signings this off season.

 

Fowler, Corpas, Spilborghs Update

few nuggets from Troy Renck yesterday:

  • Apparently Manny Corpas' hamstring is fine.
  • The answer to the question all Rox fans want to know has been decided.  Still, Ryan Spilborghs won't reveal his intro song just yet.
  • Aaron Cook and Troy Tulowitzki are lighter this spring than last season, but so is Dexter Fowler.  Already appearing dangerously Cory Sullivan-thin, he said "I feel like myself again.  I felt too big before."
There are plenty of more links after the jump, so if you need time to kill, take the jump before you go back to Bloons.

Star-divide

Tulo meets icon

Both the Rockies MLB site and the Denver Post are running stories about Tulo meeting up with legendary UCLA men's basketball coach John Wooden.  There's a few notable things in the articles, as Tulo attempts to beef up his leadership profile.  Other interesting notes:
  • Tulo initiated the exchange by reaching via letter through UCLA alum Garret Atkins and his agent.
  • Wooden once actually coached baseball at Indiana State, Clint Barmes' alma mater.

Rocks off the field

New Rox voice ready for your questions | All Things Rockies
Jerry Schemmel, the Rockies new radio man, is already reaching out to Rox fans for a Q and A.

ian stewart (IStewart9) on Twitter - According to his tweets yesterday, Ian Stewart was excessively bored yesterday and is very into The Bachelor.  Apparently not all gentlemen prefer blondes.

Spring Training t-shirt contest!! - Purple Row
Charlie77 and holly96 want your help with a new T-shirt design at Purple Row Cares.

 

Around the league

Carlos Beltran: No hard feelings with New York Mets over surgery disagreement - ESPN
Is this genuine, or an attempt to patch together the tattered quilt in New York before the season?

Chicago White Sox's Jake Peavy turns down Opening Day nod - ESPN Chicago
The spin is "unselfishness," but Peavy has never been a big game pitcher...

The compilation: MLB team-by-team top-10 prospects
Matt Hagen at The Hardball Times ranks the top ten prospects for every team, all in one place.  The Rockies come in eighth.

How Many Wins Did Teams Lose To Injury? - Beyond the Box Score
BtB comes through again with a very detailed analysis sure to make Rockies fans say "huh...ok" and move on.  User colintj analyzes how many games a team lost due to injury compared to average.  The Rockies are the closest team to dead middle average.

 

Big breath....and lastly:

New (and Great) Sabermetric Resources | FanGraphs Baseball
R.J. Anderson listed a small handful of sabermetric resources...on one of baseball's leading sabermetric sites.  Purple Row (and specifically Andrew Martin's Counting Rocks series), made the cut for the refferal.

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Nice work on the shout-out, A-Mart!

Though in the Tulo/Wooden article there’s a comment by the enigmatically named RockiesGirl2. A potential usurper?

by biondino on Feb 23, 2010 7:33 AM MST reply actions  

If not a usurper....

Hey RoxGirl, you got any daughters you haven’t disclosed previously?

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by Mondogarage on Feb 23, 2010 7:33 AM MST up reply actions  

Dinger's love child.

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by Russ Oates on Feb 23, 2010 8:15 AM MST up reply actions  

In his own day, Bichette was pretty polarizing among Rockies fans...

Extremely popular and beloved for his (home) power, but also berated for his sub-par defense.

Just a thought…and trying to distract the conversation before anyone else sullies the honor of RoxGirl further!

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by RdRnnr on Feb 23, 2010 8:27 AM MST reply actions  

i left out the qualifier "in recent years"

J definitely didn’t intend to suggest iannetta is the most polarizing figure in recent years

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 23, 2010 9:46 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

yeah no kidding

I mistook him for David Wells in CF towards the end of the season

Attention Whore.

by Muzia on Feb 23, 2010 8:32 AM MST up reply actions  

Had he eaten just one more wafer-thin mint in the off-season

We could be looking for a new centre fielder, and an experienced and strong-stomached cleaning service.

by biondino on Feb 23, 2010 8:38 AM MST up reply actions  

I was gonna say.

He was ridiculously lanky last year. I remember reading scouting reports this offseason saying his frame had plenty of room for muscle, so he would bulk up a bit and his power would improve.

But he’s going in the opposite direction, and he says he’s “more comfortable” this way. Maybe he prefers to be lean and mean?

by Shoemaker on Feb 23, 2010 9:42 AM MST up reply actions  

Dex knows :-)

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 23, 2010 9:55 AM MST up reply actions  

hmm

So this dark-skinned young switch hitter in the NL west came up to the big leagues for a cup of coffee in 2008, then had a better 2009 than anyone expected while becoming a fan favorite.

There’s actually two hitters that fit the description. One came to ST this year after losing weight, the other looks like he gained weight. Both seem like they went the wrong direction

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 23, 2010 3:11 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Correction on the prospect list

the Rockies actually come in 8th

Attention Whore.

by Muzia on Feb 23, 2010 8:48 AM MST reply actions  

Learn to read

so you can read and learn.

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by Russ Oates on Feb 23, 2010 8:51 AM MST up reply actions  

Read and learn.

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by Russ Oates on Feb 23, 2010 8:53 AM MST up reply actions  

boo

I had so many of those links running through my head, its a wonder that was the only mistake

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 23, 2010 9:23 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

What's wrong with Bloons?

"I clearly miscalculated how popular it would be to show Calvin urinating on a Ford logo"--Bill Watterson

by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 23, 2010 8:55 AM MST reply actions  

level 30 deprived me of much-needed sleep

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 23, 2010 9:36 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Matt Holliday has a twitter

here

Apparently he mentioned he likes Creed and got a bunch of crap for it. I’m pretty sure that’s just other people obeying the law though..

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by Resolution on Feb 23, 2010 9:00 AM MST reply actions  

What's this life for?

# Save it all you creed haters, I’m sure your iPod is filled with perfection. Let me know what’s cool 10:21 AM Feb 4th via Twitterrific

That’s fantastic. He probably picked it up in the Rockies clubhouse. I always imagined that’s what D O’D pumps through all of FO and player areas.

by deacs on Feb 23, 2010 9:07 AM MST up reply actions  

Matty doesn't like

Miley Cyrus.

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by Russ Oates on Feb 23, 2010 9:10 AM MST up reply actions  

Is the general argument against Creed

the same as the argument against Nickelback? Or is it the attempt at the religious/angry grunge duality?

by deacs on Feb 23, 2010 9:16 AM MST up reply actions  

Lot of column A, little bit of column B. Though if hell is having to choose between the two bands and listen to one for all eternity, I’d probably choose Creed without a second thought.

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by Franchise26 on Feb 23, 2010 9:18 AM MST up reply actions  

The one thing Nickelback has going for it

is the Rockstar video. Whatever you think of the song, the video is pretty funny.

by deacs on Feb 23, 2010 9:21 AM MST up reply actions  

I like the video, it was almost a classic

but they screwed it up. The end makes me think they missed the entire point of the video to begin with

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by Muzia on Feb 23, 2010 9:25 AM MST up reply actions  

what’s a video?

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by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 23, 2010 9:27 AM MST up reply actions  

Mark tremonti owns.

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 23, 2010 9:24 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

he really does

poor chap

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by Muzia on Feb 23, 2010 9:27 AM MST up reply actions  

I have a feeling

that Jesus hates the Christian bands with high voices.

This is R year!

by prettyinpurple on Feb 23, 2010 9:17 AM MST up reply actions  

Heh

I actually really like this response. I’m one of those “I like what I like and I’m not going to apologize for it” people, so I can appreciate the feeling there.

by holly96 on Feb 23, 2010 12:11 PM MST up reply actions  

No, actually you are wrong.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 23, 2010 12:13 PM MST up reply actions  

That is absolutely hysterical. I remember he used a song off of Scott Stapp’s solo album as his hitting music in 07, so there’s some precedent here.

Hey, I’ll even freely admit that “My Own Prison” was a perfectly acceptable post-grunge album in its time, and I found myself surprised thinking “I don’t totally hate this” after hearing Creed’s first single off their new album (that was my second reaction, just after “Is this *$@#ing CREED?”) But yeah, ‘Guy on internet who actively enjoys Creed’ is a pretty lonely pedestal to stand on.

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by Franchise26 on Feb 23, 2010 9:11 AM MST up reply actions  

That "Rain" song?

IDK. It sounds like they copied the music from 1995, maybe Collective Soul’s “Hints, Allegations and Things Left Unsaid,” and added Scott Stapp’s voice. And shaved head.

by deacs on Feb 23, 2010 9:15 AM MST up reply actions  

I was talking about “Overcome”, actually. Don’t think I have heard anything else off the album, but “Overcome” isn’t going to make me change the station if it comes on the radio.

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton

by Franchise26 on Feb 23, 2010 9:16 AM MST up reply actions  

It sounds like a Fuel song

I’m flipping around on youtube and having a hard time not analogizing these new Creed songs to other late-90s/early 00s post-grunge bands.

I always thought the hate was disproportionate to the music, and was fury that would be better saved for things like Aaron Carter or Mmmbop

by deacs on Feb 23, 2010 9:20 AM MST up reply actions  

Well, if Scott Stapp weren’t/hadn’t been such a giant douche, things might have gone a little differently, but that guy made it really hard not to hate him.

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton

by Franchise26 on Feb 23, 2010 9:23 AM MST up reply actions  

im actually mostly in agreement with you on creed

I very much enjoyed them when they came on the scene, but I quickly grew tired of stapp and their formulaic writing. its not as bad as the nickelback blatant ripoff of How You Remind Me with Someday, but still left me looking elsewhere. As far as the split, Alter Bridge’s debut pleasantly surprised me. There’s four or five songs there I have in a permanent rotation

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 23, 2010 9:30 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Question re "post grunge"

Because I agree with your point that it was “perfectly acceptable” in its time, though obviously it had no staying power because, at the end of the day, really just not that good (one of those albums like Linkin Park or Incubus where I look at it in a CD wallet and really wonder what the hell I was thinking)…anyway, the question is this: what is the Creed/Nickelback genre really called? I’m thinking of mostly the stuff you hear on “rock radio” or Sirius Octane or whatever (as an aside, I just turned to Octane to see what was playing and Papa Roach was on, and it really made me laugh for some reason). I usually refer to all of this as “hard rock” for lack of a better term, but some friends of mine insist that it should get some sort of “metal” qualifier, which I consider blasphemy. I guess it all doesn’t matter, just curious as music categorization has been a bizarrely prevalent topic in my life lately.

by Teekalong on Feb 23, 2010 10:28 AM MST up reply actions  

Make Yourself is still 70% of a very good album

“Hard rock” would be your standard radio definition, but I think “hard alternative” is a slightly more suitable title

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by Muzia on Feb 23, 2010 10:31 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah

I’ve heard that “hard alternative” moniker before, but I have a hard time with it, (a) because its the “popular” version of rock, so what is it “alternative” to? Pop? I don’t like that construction; and (b) because I came up musically in the late 80s when “alternative” meant the Cure or Violent Femmes or whatever was on 120 minutes, and therefore I can’t equate the two.

As for Make Yourself, I have that album because “Pardon Me” was ubiquitous on the radio in LA when I first moved here and because their first album (Science or whatever) sounded like they were trying to be Faith No More, which I respected. But it is fair to say that they obviously were not trying to be Faith No More and, as a consequence, are no longer on my “like” list.

by Teekalong on Feb 23, 2010 10:39 AM MST up reply actions  

I have this genre specific discussion with my friend all the time

SCIENCE really hasn’t aged well at all, though there are certainly FMN influences. (And I agree with the 80’s alternative, Incubus does NOT equal Sonic Youth, Pixies, Cure, etc)

I think the genre specific moniker for early Incubus was “funk metal”, which is very obscure and only relates to their first two albums (and first EP)

That era as a whole is hard to classify because it is so derivative, you really aren’t left with many alternatives besides “alternative”

Attention Whore.

by Muzia on Feb 23, 2010 10:46 AM MST up reply actions  

I always get a kick

of trying to think how such bands might want to categorize themselves. Say, for instance, Smashing Pumpkins, which to me is a perfect example of “alternative metal”…but would they want the “metal” tag? I.e., do they see themselves in the same overarching boat as Slayer and Metallica? Or would they want the “hard rock” type label, comparing themselves to Nickelback? I’m quite sure most such bands would resist any labels/categorization, but its funny to think about, because as your last sentence suggests, its probably a foolish effort to classify a lot of this stuff.

by Teekalong on Feb 23, 2010 10:53 AM MST up reply actions  

...and Lithium

just throws on “Epic” to cap off this argument perfectly for me. Categorize this song, if you dare. I can’t, other than “awesome.”

by Teekalong on Feb 23, 2010 10:54 AM MST up reply actions  

Good, let me know where Primus belongs on there...

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by Resolution on Feb 23, 2010 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

even this chart is a flawed attempt

Pearl Jam 1989-1994 is different from Pearl Jam 1995-present. Same with Soundgarden.

The industrial metal section needs a TON of work. NIN, Godflesh, and Static-X have more differences than similarities.

Opeth hasn’t been “Goth Metal” since “Blackwater Park”

An ambitious attempt, but I think you would have to take it to the next level with a chart like this and divide the bands up by their individual eras if you are going to make it close to accurate..

Attention Whore.

by Muzia on Feb 23, 2010 11:02 AM MST up reply actions  

Good points

I mean, Suicidal Tendencies went from basically punk to thrash to nu metal then metalcore, all the while turning some of their punk songs into thrash songs, etc (and mixing in tons of other influences). Too hard to just lump them (and obviously countless others) into one category.

And dear lord, Rage and Jane’s in the same category??? Slipknot and Limp Bizkit? Van Halen and Lita Ford?

Whatever, this does prove the futility of the exercise…

by Teekalong on Feb 23, 2010 11:19 AM MST up reply actions  

phew I was worried

that they left grindcore off that thing. that would have been a tragedy.

WHERE’S HUSKER DU??!!?!

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by Resolution on Feb 23, 2010 12:54 PM MST up reply actions  

a lot of classic grindcore is missing

but I have seen 4 of the 7 bands they list under that category live. I think that makes me awesome

Attention Whore.

by Muzia on Feb 23, 2010 1:53 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm actually really unfamiliar with grindcore

I just wanted to make sure that 1. Grindcore was there because 2. Napalm Death needed to be on the list.

And no dude, what makes you cool with rock music is seeing the bands that AREN’T on the list. You have to see bands that only you have heard of and stuff – and only listen to them via vinyl…

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by Resolution on Feb 23, 2010 5:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Ah come on man

I saw 30 shows last year, and only four bands who are on that list. Not to mention I only buy albums on vinyl anymore…

I am super\m/

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by Muzia on Feb 23, 2010 5:52 PM MST up reply actions  

duuude

I just saw a punk band with a swear word in their name on Friday, it was sweet.

Don’t tell my mom or she’ll freaaaaak!!!

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by Resolution on Feb 23, 2010 8:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Also

I wish I saw 30 shows last year.

I went to that punk concert Friday and it made me feel all warm inside because I hadn’t been to one in what seemed like ages…

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by Resolution on Feb 23, 2010 8:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Linkin Park

I’m not going to lie. I LOVE Linkin Park, and I can still pop in Hybrid Theory every now and then and enjoy the entire thing.

by holly96 on Feb 23, 2010 12:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Hybrid Theory will forever be one of those albums

that are just unexplainably awesome. I haven’t listened to it in at least 6 years, but I guarantee I still know every word of every song.

Attention Whore.

by Muzia on Feb 23, 2010 12:18 PM MST up reply actions  

My sister and I discovered once that it was perfect road trip music.

She and I drove 13 hours from SF to SLC (across Nevada, blech) and she didn’t have a license yet, so I had to drive the whole way. We popped in Hybrid Theory and it was perfect for staying awake. I think we listened to at least a couple times in a row.

by holly96 on Feb 23, 2010 12:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah I gotta say

I’m a Linkin Park fan myself.

I can haz NL West title?

by Silverblood on Feb 23, 2010 12:25 PM MST up reply actions  

LOVE Linkin Park as well

Hybrid Theory gets me pumped up to do…well anything!

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PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?

by SDcat09 on Feb 23, 2010 1:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Anybody else get the new Baseball Prospectus and the Baseball America Prospect Book yet? Or am I the only nerd who orders them both at once right when they release and considers it officially baseball season when they arrive in the mail?

I will say that reading through the Rockies section in Prospectus got me really fired up for the coming season.

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by Franchise26 on Feb 23, 2010 9:13 AM MST reply actions  

A friend orders the Prospect Book

And is always a few steps ahead of our fantasy league from year to year. Seems like it’s worth getting a Christmas-type excitement over.

by deacs on Feb 23, 2010 9:25 AM MST up reply actions  

"started the toe tap"

“step forward in 2010”

groannn

I, for one, am optimistic about the future. And I'm not one to be optimistic about anything.

by fantasyfencing on Feb 23, 2010 9:24 AM MST reply actions  

Hawpe & Smith

have arrived.

Ubaldo Jimenez has arrived. He had run of the clubhouse stereo this morning. Even showing off a few dance moves.

by phishbate on Feb 23, 2010 9:50 AM MST reply actions  

Jimenez and Tulo

You could not ask for two better young core players for this team. Fact. They have the right attitude, positions, contracts and production

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 23, 2010 10:04 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Hmm, looking at the Denver Post Rox page

New beat writer “Jim Armstrong” – look at the photo, it’s just Troy Renck with a blond dye job!

by biondino on Feb 23, 2010 10:25 AM MST up reply actions  

what a strange place to put that comment

It is interesting none the less. It is about five degrees where I am, with a stiff 15mph wind

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 23, 2010 10:31 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

The temperature was in the article phishbate linked to, hence the placing

But I’m English, we are happy to discuss the weather at any time at the slightest provocation. While drinking tea.

by biondino on Feb 23, 2010 10:38 AM MST up reply actions  

I have been missing Oxford so badly the past couple days

I even began to look at flights to London for the second week of my spring break. Not that I’d ever be able to afford it, and thus it’s out of the question, but I was looking/fantasizing anyway.

I can haz NL West title?

by Silverblood on Feb 23, 2010 10:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Aw!

England would be doing it’s level best to put you off right now, with sleet and wind and freezingness (and snow over much of the north and west of the country). What have you been missing in particular? Warm beer, free healthcare, the thwack of leather on willow?

by biondino on Feb 23, 2010 11:22 AM MST up reply actions  

Well there's sleet and wind and freezingness in NY right now

so that’s not so much of an issue.

And I dunno, just all of it. I loved my life in Oxford, whether it was walking to city centre and hanging out in a coffee shop, or goggling at the architecture, or banging my head out on an essay (well maybe not that so much) and having an excuse to explore (for an English history nerd such as that place turned me into, it was like Garfield in a field of catnip). Just walking around a corner and finding some other bit of history, like the plaque on Beaumont Street marking where Richard the Lionheart and King John were born… yeah, the works.

I can haz NL West title?

by Silverblood on Feb 23, 2010 11:27 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Best year of my life

Add in Scotland and Normandy and there’s just no contest.

I can haz NL West title?

by Silverblood on Feb 23, 2010 11:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Was it hard to follow the Rockies though?

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 23, 2010 11:35 AM MST up reply actions  

Sort of

I guess you weren’t around, but I would routinely be up in game threads around 4am my time, trying to make bargains with them that if they’d score another run or two, I’d go to bed.

And then I stayed up until 2am, in a B&B in the middle of nowhere (Glencoe, Scotland) just to catch the first PITCH of the second opening-series game against the Phillies (the night of April 11). On Gameday. Yeah, it was a problem. But hey.

I can haz NL West title?

by Silverblood on Feb 23, 2010 11:40 AM MST up reply actions  

It's a pain in the arse to be honest

I’m not as much of a night owl as Silver so 1am is usually as long as I can hold out, so only central/east away games tend to be easy for me to follow, and the wonder that is the day game, of course. I probably get to actively watch 20-25% of Rockies games on mlb.tv, I guess?

by biondino on Feb 24, 2010 6:29 AM MST up reply actions  

Hmm..

today the universe felt much calmer..now I know why. Mr. Hawpe has returned.

Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong

PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?

by SDcat09 on Feb 23, 2010 1:27 PM MST up reply actions  

ha, awesome!

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 23, 2010 2:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Can't wait to see if he can resume his All-Star swinging ways...

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by SDcat09 on Feb 23, 2010 2:13 PM MST up reply actions  

likewise

think he could field better if we got him a segway?

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 23, 2010 2:15 PM MST up reply actions  

there you go again..

always looking for the segue to his turrible UZR :P

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by SDcat09 on Feb 23, 2010 2:24 PM MST up reply actions  

hey, I'm trying to find a positive here

I figured you’d enjoy that

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 23, 2010 2:32 PM MST up reply actions  

I know! I was just trying to make a joke about

segway v segue

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by SDcat09 on Feb 23, 2010 2:37 PM MST up reply actions  

HA I totally missed it!

good show!

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 23, 2010 2:43 PM MST up reply actions  

OMG you fell into my sarchasm...

weird

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by SDcat09 on Feb 23, 2010 2:46 PM MST up reply actions  

well it wasn't sarcasm

it was a masterful pun

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 23, 2010 2:50 PM MST up reply actions  

this is true..

but saying you fell into my pun..sounds weird :)

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"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
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by SDcat09 on Feb 23, 2010 7:57 PM MST up reply actions  

No, no, no.

The universe was just having a bit of heartburn, but it ended earlier this morning.

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by Russ Oates on Feb 23, 2010 2:27 PM MST up reply actions  

It ended because Mr. Hawpe returned :)

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PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?

by SDcat09 on Feb 23, 2010 2:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Whats with the cerebral comments

twice?
I don’t care if CDI is Einstein, if he can’t hit when it counts it doesn’t matter if he’s Tango in disguise.

As far as the toe tap is concerned, why is it that it seems that all the Rockies coachs do is teach the players a toe tap?
Maybe I can be a coach… “Step right up guys, get your toe tap here…”
If it straightens out all that is wrong with the hitters, why don’t all teams teach their hitters to do it?

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by rockieprogress on Feb 23, 2010 10:20 AM MST reply actions  

Even better, try pitching with a full motion

the ball gets thrown somewhere in the first part of the windup, at a scortching 40 mph

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by fantasyfencing on Feb 23, 2010 11:42 AM MST up reply actions  

I can't wait to play one of the new baseball games on my Wii..

But I’m worried about playing a whole game and throwing out my arm. I might start myself on a pitch count to build up endurence.

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by Charlie77 on Feb 23, 2010 4:24 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

from what i have seen, only tulo and iannetta have been prescribed the tap

You’re definitely over simplifying things. It remains to be seen whether the toe tap helps cdi, but regardless, it isn’t a miracle elixir that applies to everyone. Just as some players would benefit from gaining some weight, some would benefit from losing some. You’re honing in on two.

As for being cerebral, it wasn’t a compliment or excuse from his poor average. I too don’t care about intangibles if a player can’t produce. Iannetta always struck me as a player who is TOO engaged mentally. Anything that promotes the use of more instincts is a positive step, if you will

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 23, 2010 10:27 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I noted the "cerebral" points too

and wondered what was the basis, i.e., is it sort of a Lost-style yang to the ying of Yorvit’s “emotion” approach? In any event, I’m tempted to agree with the above post, maybe not that he’s “cerebral” inasmuch as there is something to his “mental engagement” or, to put another way, mindset/demeanor, that is off-putting to the traditionalist managers he’s played for in Colorado. Or maybe not. The CDI riddle continues.

by Teekalong on Feb 23, 2010 10:33 AM MST up reply actions  

I think it keeps being brought up

because “thinking” while hitting is pretty much poison. It’s an invaluable trait for someone calling games, he just needs to stop thinking while at bat.

At least that’s how I interpret it.

by phishbate on Feb 23, 2010 10:37 AM MST up reply actions  

pretty much this

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 23, 2010 10:41 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

You just got lesson number one: don’t think; it can only hurt the ball club.

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 23, 2010 12:45 PM MST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Quit Thinkin', Meat!

Don't hate the player, hate the game, except all Yankees players.

by SoxRoxFan on Feb 23, 2010 1:58 PM MST up reply actions  

^5

get the broad out of your head!

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 23, 2010 2:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Cerebral is an apt term, I think.

One characteristic of Iannetta has often been a tendency to overthink, and neglect intuition.

by Greg Stanwood on Feb 23, 2010 10:39 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't usually equate "cerebral" with "overthinking"

but I guess as applied to sports/baseball, that actually makes perfect sense, as you note, seems like intuition/instinct/reaction could be casualties of overthinking. (and frankly, I think this was always my problem in football, I feel like I always knew where to be and what to do, but a lot of the time that kind of stuff falls behind just instinctual reaction/aggression in terms of what makes a good play).

by Teekalong on Feb 23, 2010 10:44 AM MST up reply actions  

damn skippy

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 23, 2010 2:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Larry Craig- " Damn Skippy,

that’s not the toe tap I had in mind"

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by SDcat09 on Feb 23, 2010 2:14 PM MST up reply actions  

They are trying to teach timeing.

 " the art of hitting is timeing; the art of pitching is disrupting timeing" From before my memory.

by Oldfoagie on Feb 23, 2010 8:25 PM MST up reply actions  

<3

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 23, 2010 9:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Three Rockies make the cut
  1. Matzek
  2. Friedrich
  3. Chacin

The Rockies rotation in a few years is going to be flat out awesome.

by avsfan4ever33 on Feb 23, 2010 12:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Listening to WFAN right now and a dumb caller who thinks the Mets are going to win the pennant

He said that they have four 15 game winners in their rotation.

I’m still laughing.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 23, 2010 11:37 AM MST reply actions  

Santana...

Pelfrey, Maine, Perez? LOLOLOOLOL

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by Muzia on Feb 23, 2010 11:41 AM MST up reply actions  

Those are the ones

Beltran’s gonna come back from injury and hit .380 too

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 23, 2010 12:08 PM MST up reply actions  

OMG..

What if they sign Mark Prior? WE’RE DOOOMED!

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by Charlie77 on Feb 23, 2010 4:32 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Hey

Gotta commend him for being optimistic. Been a brutal few years for Mets fans.

Or just figure that he’s on LSD to numb the pain.

I can haz NL West title?

by Silverblood on Feb 23, 2010 11:42 AM MST up reply actions  

If they'd kept Redding in their rotation

the guy could claim five 15-game winners.

But we’ve got him, so there.

Got him for now anyway. I’m betting he opts out at the
end of ST after not making the 40-man roster.

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by Maris6161 on Feb 23, 2010 11:45 AM MST up reply actions  

He has a clause to opt out if not on the 25 man roster

AND someone else is willing to put him on theirs. Unless he’s godawful, or one of the youngsters goes off in spring training, I don’t know how the Rockies can afford not to keep him as insurance.

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by Rawktober on Feb 23, 2010 1:32 PM MST up reply actions  

I was watching Tim Kurkj….Tim Kirkja…..Tim Kurgjohn this morning, and he said MLB basically has 4 elite MLB teams. Red Sox, Yankees, Phillies, and Cardinals. I dunno if you put the Cardinals in that group. And I don’t think you can just name the last 4 World Series winners and say those are the elite teams.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 23, 2010 11:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, he only mentioned Pujols and Holliday.

Wasn’t really a balanced argument

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by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 23, 2010 11:56 AM MST up reply actions  

plus Carp and Wainwright and...

uh…

hmm…

Molina?

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by Muzia on Feb 23, 2010 12:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Maybe he's expecting really big things from Lohse.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 23, 2010 12:03 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not

The second half of that Cardinal rotation is kind of sucky

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 23, 2010 12:14 PM MST up reply actions  

That was the joke.

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 23, 2010 12:47 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

You're joking right?

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by Resolution on Feb 23, 2010 12:58 PM MST up reply actions  

I wasn't sure

I know someone who honestly thinks “Lohse will win 15 games like he did in 2008”.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 23, 2010 12:58 PM MST up reply actions  

now, who posted the comment?

Is he hilarious?

alright.

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 23, 2010 1:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Ok; you've lost me

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 23, 2010 1:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Frightened inmate is hilarious

thus, everything he posts is also hilarious, unless it’s really tragic, which then swings it back to hilariousnessicity

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by Muzia on Feb 23, 2010 1:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Well thanks

Along those lines, I saw a story yesterday that started “Call for redesign of hot dogs.” I immediately copied the link, thinking Maria needed to see it. But then I read the story, and it was pediatricians giving detailed accounts of children choking. So I thought, naw, maybe not.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 23, 2010 2:00 PM MST up reply actions  

17% of choking related deaths in children

Is due to hot dogs. Killer food.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 23, 2010 2:56 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I choked on a cut up hot dog when I was three.

But here I am.

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by Russ Oates on Feb 23, 2010 3:02 PM MST up reply actions  

hm.

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 23, 2010 3:36 PM MST up reply actions  

"Why this child is choking on a hot dog. She'll be up turning cartwheels in no time."

Moonlight Graham from Field of Dreams.

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by pedalpusher on Feb 23, 2010 4:00 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

*are due to hot dogs

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 23, 2010 3:07 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

But on a more upbeat note...

And going back towards the hilarity, what’s everyone doing on St. Paddy’s day?

I am performing at Wits End in westminster the week of March 17-20, and on the 17th I’m doing a longer set, trying to get promoted to feature. So I kind of want a good crowd there. And I can get folks in for free. Hit me up on the email if innerested.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 23, 2010 3:15 PM MST up reply actions  

what do you think you are - a comedian?

I will be in Tucson until the 21st, so I unfortunately can’t take your free handout :(

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 23, 2010 3:30 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I've been to wit's end

they hound you with the “OMG FREE COMEDY PARTY FOR U AND FRIENDS”

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 23, 2010 3:36 PM MST up reply actions  

spoiler...

every comedy club ever does.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 23, 2010 3:43 PM MST up reply actions  

did not realize that

it was still annoying, I don’t have 15 friends.

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 23, 2010 3:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, its still funny to hear how excited people get that they won tickets.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 23, 2010 3:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Hey do you have any audio

available for download or something?

by BringItHome on Feb 23, 2010 3:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Unfortunately not right now

That’s one thing I’ve been kind of lazy aboout. I had an old vid up for a while, but it got pretty dated. Then I wasn’t very busy in 09 so I don’t have any good current stuff recorded.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 23, 2010 4:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Neyer

on ESPN seems to think the Mets will push 90 wins this year. I wouldn’t write them off entirely, if healthy they will possibly be very good.

by Teekalong on Feb 23, 2010 12:11 PM MST up reply actions  

But even if they are good they will choke it up in the last week :-)

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 23, 2010 12:15 PM MST up reply actions  

That's true

If healthy, they could be good, for sure. But then they have to get through the last week of the season.

I can haz NL West title?

by Silverblood on Feb 23, 2010 12:26 PM MST up reply actions  

That's the worst parts for Mets fans.

Even if they are good (which they won’t be) they will have to spend the entire season knowing that it’s only a mirage and they will just end up blowing it blow it at the most painful time.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 23, 2010 12:45 PM MST up reply actions  

I mean, yeah.

A Reyes/Wright/Beltran/Bay core will score runs. Their pitching isn’t very good, but it might take a step forward. They basically had to put a AAAA team on the field last year with all their injuries. Some people are laughing them off, but I wouldn’t just yet.

I mean, say what you like about the tenets of Rockies baseball, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

by squalene203 on Feb 23, 2010 12:15 PM MST up reply actions  

That is basically my thought

The Mets from last year will look nothing like the Mets this year (assuming health). There is a lot of talent there. It seems to be a poorly run/managed organization, for sure, but if they get to put their best lineup on the field, they will out-talent most NL squads, and as much as there is a soft spot in my heart for Corey Sullivan, I doubt he’ll be playing much, which is good for them.

by Teekalong on Feb 23, 2010 12:32 PM MST up reply actions  

I think they are about an 85 win team IF healthy

Beyond Santana, I don’t trust anyone in that rotation.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 23, 2010 12:47 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm no Mets fan

not really trying to argue on their behalf, but just saying that it seems like they’re taking an undue beating around here as some sort of joke. They have tons of question marks, for sure, but they also have tons of potential.

by Teekalong on Feb 23, 2010 12:55 PM MST up reply actions  

I think they deserve it

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by Resolution on Feb 23, 2010 12:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Undue beating?

Have you seen the Mets the past few years?

They’re sucky until proven good.

I can haz NL West title?

by Silverblood on Feb 23, 2010 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh don't worry

I don’t think you’re a Mets fan. I just find it really amusing that a fan of a team who blew a 7 game lead with 17 to play in 2007, blew a 3.5 game wild card lead during the last week of 2008, and finished 22 games under .500 with a 149 million dollar payroll in last year thinks that his team is going to win the pennant

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 23, 2010 1:04 PM MST up reply actions  

eh it's spring, everybody's optimistic

even Mets fans.

It may or may not have required hard drugs, but there you have it.

I can haz NL West title?

by Silverblood on Feb 23, 2010 1:08 PM MST up reply actions  

There's a fine line between optimism and insanity :-)

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 23, 2010 1:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Great clip.

I love how clueless and undisturbed the guy next to him is.

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by RdRnnr on Feb 23, 2010 1:20 PM MST up reply actions  

I was thinking the guy next to him was

enjoying his meltdown. Perhaps he’s a Cubs fan?

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by SDcat09 on Feb 23, 2010 1:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Not sure, he kind of looks like a foreigner.

The baseballing is good, ja?

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by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 23, 2010 2:13 PM MST up reply actions  

The guy

is just complaining that the vendors are out of peanuts.

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by Russ Oates on Feb 23, 2010 1:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh sully

you had like half of a good season, and we loved you for it.

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 23, 2010 9:10 PM MST up reply actions  

And

he fouled off 13 pitches in a row and had two triples in the same inning once

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by jrockies on Feb 23, 2010 10:03 PM MST up reply actions  

maybe collectively

:)

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by arpagamos on Feb 23, 2010 1:07 PM MST up reply actions  

rimshot

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 23, 2010 2:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Baseball America has Matzek as the Rockies best prospect at #23

Friedrich is at #33, and Chacin is #71

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by djmbluemoon on Feb 23, 2010 12:33 PM MST reply actions  

I get it

and yeah, he’s gonna be something special, word is.

Chan Ho Park held a press conference in South Korea, A.J. Burnett pitched to Jorge Posada in the bullpen and CC Sabathia snapped off sliders for the first time. It wasn’t exactly a slow day in spring training, but as camp was breaking up, much of the buzz centered on Jesus Montero.

Although I don’t think any reporters were there to see it, word is that Montero hit the top of the scoreboard in left field with a batting practice home run off Triple-A hitting coach Butch Wynegar.

"I didn’t turn around and look," Wynegar said. "I made him look good today."
Apparently the blast hit the M in George M. Steinbrenner Field. That’s a long, long way. Joe Girardi watched a lot of batting practice and called Montero, "very mature offensively."

"I usually can’t see them go that far," he said. "You the swing. You hear the sound. You have a good idea where it’s going."

Montero said that he hasn’t been trying to hit big home runs this spring. He’s spent most of his batting practice sessions trying to get a good feel for his swing.

"Today, I found it a little bit," Montero said. "… I tried to put a good swing on the ball. Put a good swing on the ball, and that’s what happened."

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 23, 2010 2:15 PM MST up reply actions  

dude that's a friggin bomb

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 23, 2010 2:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Didn't Pedro Alvarez hit one like that last year in Spring Training?

Like it was over the pond that’s beyond the right field wall where the Pirates train.

by controlled_slide on Feb 23, 2010 2:36 PM MST up reply actions  

in BP

I’m not saying it doesn’t take talent, it obviously does and he has serious power. But it’s during BP.

by phishbate on Feb 23, 2010 2:37 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not saying he's a threat to Bonds

I’m just saying “damn look at that dinger”

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 23, 2010 2:43 PM MST up reply actions  

still only counts as one.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 23, 2010 2:39 PM MST up reply actions  

but a friggin one

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 23, 2010 2:43 PM MST up reply actions  

when i was in sixth grade

I played on a team with a seventh grader who 1) was the son of a former Cleveland Indian reliever 2) could kick fifty yard field goals with regularity and 3) hit a home run in batting practice to straight away center field. The summer after sixth grade. At Jacobs Field. I don’t believe he even made the high school baseball team.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 23, 2010 3:03 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I saw Ian Stewart take ST batting practice

Sick, Sick power and buggy-whip hands

At the time it was “hmmmm, so that’s first round HS talent”

so I guess it gives you an idea what would happen IF they get the right swing on the right pitch…And for all the swings and misses Ian had last year it was way sweet when he connected.

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by El Paso Jeff on Feb 23, 2010 2:38 PM MST up reply actions  

If he were to stay as a catcher that could maybe be justified

but everything I’ve read says he’s gonna move before he gets to the majors

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by djmbluemoon on Feb 23, 2010 2:16 PM MST up reply actions  

I like the new spring training caps better than the old earflap ones.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 23, 2010 4:17 PM MST up reply actions  

I actually despise these hats.

They’re the ugliest non-tie fashion accessory I’ve ever witnessed.

by Greg Stanwood on Feb 23, 2010 4:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Really? You liked the little curve of purple over the ear better? These ones actually look like someone put some thought into them. The other ones reminded me of Homer Simpson’s Nuclear Power Plant model. “Basically, I just copied the plant we have now, then added these fins for less wind resistance. And I think this racing stripe is pretty sharp.”

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by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 23, 2010 4:28 PM MST up reply actions  

I like them a lot more.

They looked no more like a brief, even stylized splash of color, where these look they’re wearing a piece of barbed wire across their heads. They look like Christmas ornaments.

by Greg Stanwood on Feb 23, 2010 4:30 PM MST up reply actions  

I think they're much better

than the earflap ones. My eye would always be drawn to the weird arch over the ear whenever I was watching interviews. These hats look more normal, or at least, keep your attention on the front of someone’s head, instead of their ear.

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by ShadowPenguin on Feb 23, 2010 4:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm the exact opposite.

My eye wasn’t distracted at all by the other ones, and now can’t stop tracing the silver line across the top of their heads over and over. It’s like looking at a little fence crawling along their head.

I’ve been complaining about these hats for like three weeks now, as soon as their design was released. gag

by Greg Stanwood on Feb 23, 2010 4:37 PM MST up reply actions  

looks like youre alone on your island :)

I really wanted a st cap last year, but I hated them so much I abstained. These ones are my favorite since I started heading down there in 08

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 23, 2010 4:50 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

07 as well, if memory serves.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 23, 2010 4:57 PM MST up reply actions  

It wasn't the back

It was right over the ear. I think the main thing is that it was such a stark contrast from the black of the hat. If it was just a line, that’s fine. But a huge patch of purple behind the ear is like a spotlight.

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by ShadowPenguin on Feb 23, 2010 4:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes, I know where it was. I consider that the back of the hat, as in, not the front of the hat.

If you’d prefer a more physically correct term, the side of the hat. Again, my subjective view simply finds the weird silver line and kidney shaped purple brims FAR more distracting than the tiny purple arcs from before.

by Greg Stanwood on Feb 23, 2010 4:47 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't get it.

What does it have to do with the ear, other than being above it? I feel absolutely clueless here. How is that distracting, but this isn’t?!!??

It literally defies any and all aesthetic sensibilities in my brain. :D

by Greg Stanwood on Feb 23, 2010 4:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Even the ones that didn't opt to make their crest a different color look ugly.

The presence of the line alone makes it look like two hats stapled together.

by Greg Stanwood on Feb 23, 2010 5:00 PM MST up reply actions  

See, this one would look better if most of the bill were navy, and just the edges teal.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 23, 2010 5:04 PM MST up reply actions  

I always thought black and blue was bad injury karma

My case in point is the Mess for the last several seasons.

by Oldfoagie on Feb 23, 2010 8:34 PM MST up reply actions  

well you are the guy that thinks all the Rockies should have hair like Lincecum

So your definition of “aesthetic” is irreparably skewed :)

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 23, 2010 5:39 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Seriously, I'm perfectly fine with being the only one with my position...

… but how is having those weird, but having a giant silver line drawn like a scribble across the hat NOT weird?

by Greg Stanwood on Feb 23, 2010 4:43 PM MST up reply actions  

I think

It follows the contour of the front panels just enough that it’s not a huge problem. If anything, it’s the part on the bill that would distract me.

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by ShadowPenguin on Feb 23, 2010 4:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Just to throw my hat in the ring as it were

I don’t like either one, but I dislike the new ones more.

by controlled_slide on Feb 23, 2010 4:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Agree, I think they both are lame

and the fact that they are just marketing ploys doesn’t help.

by Teekalong on Feb 23, 2010 6:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Boo. *sides

Nothing to possess there.

by holly96 on Feb 23, 2010 5:07 PM MST up reply actions  

I like the new ST hats..

hated the old ones. Mostly because I have big ears and they would have looked really bad on me.

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by Charlie77 on Feb 23, 2010 5:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, apparently they aren't mandatory

Cook’s got a regular black one in one picture.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 23, 2010 4:38 PM MST up reply actions  

It still has the little crest across it. It just isn't silver.

And since every newer picture has them wearing these things, I’m going to assume we’ll be seeing hem from now on.

by Greg Stanwood on Feb 23, 2010 4:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, apparently Jorge agrees with you. But Hammel is rocking his.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 23, 2010 4:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Tie's are awesome. I normally look like a bum, but when I wear a tie, I look pretty fly ...

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by Resolution on Feb 23, 2010 5:24 PM MST up reply actions  

i can understand thinking the concep is silly

But surely you can recognize that our culture has evolved so that it is a cultural norm for professional male garb. Thus, it is not useless

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 23, 2010 5:44 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

so are earrings, tattoos and corsages

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 23, 2010 6:10 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't like those much either.

Though none of these, except perhaps a certain streamline sort of earrings, has become so deeply rooted into mainstream dress.

by Greg Stanwood on Feb 23, 2010 6:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeech...

 Ties are ugly, uncomfortable, dangerous and serve no useful purpose except for women to impose thier sense of fasion on us. The inventor of the necktie was an italian slob who could not keep his shirt clean and kept loseing his napkin. Then a woman got a hold of the idea and turned it in to something pretty.
  They are also in some cultures supposed to represent a phallic symbol. Ask Perry if he has ever heard the history of the bolo tie.

by Oldfoagie on Feb 23, 2010 8:46 PM MST up reply actions  

bow-ties

or maybe bolo’s might be uglier and more useless…

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by Resolution on Feb 23, 2010 5:48 PM MST up reply actions  

seems awfully strident

for something that is so commonly accepted (and often required).

by Teekalong on Feb 23, 2010 6:13 PM MST up reply actions  

I've lived 22 years without having to put one on.

The fact that so many things suggest that they “require” a tie is precisely why I laugh at the tie in the first place. it’s such an unimportant article, pounded into people’s daily lives like a nail into a single piece of wood, not holding anything up. It’s not a symbol of anything reasonable, other than arbitrary conceptions of status.

Simply put, I find any place that “requires” a tie to be not worth my time to begin with.

by Greg Stanwood on Feb 23, 2010 6:17 PM MST up reply actions  

So then

graduations, weddings, funerals, and job interviews aren’t worth your time?

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by ShadowPenguin on Feb 23, 2010 6:22 PM MST up reply actions  

I've abstained from every graduation I could have taken place in.

I don’t ever plan on attending a wedding, and when it comes to funerals, I’d simply dress in full black, probably. Job interviews I do not wear ties.

by Greg Stanwood on Feb 23, 2010 6:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Not even your own wedding?

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by Russ Oates on Feb 23, 2010 6:34 PM MST up reply actions  

I said that...

Married for 17+ years…

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by SoxRoxFan on Feb 23, 2010 8:54 PM MST up reply actions  

My wife laughs at me.

I told her many years ago that I wasn’t interested in marriage. Period. End of discussion. Yep. That worked.

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by SoxRoxFan on Feb 23, 2010 9:49 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm never going to say "end of discussion" about anything.

But I will say that I have a great deal of fundamental problems with marriage, as well as dating. A lot has to change with me or with them for such a thing to occur.

by Greg Stanwood on Feb 23, 2010 9:51 PM MST up reply actions  

That's cool

It’s not for everyone. I have friends that are quite happy and have never been married. Just sharing my story since I was in your shoes. Once. No regrets though.

Besides, there are more important things to think about right now: Rox winning the NL West, NL, and WS.

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by SoxRoxFan on Feb 23, 2010 9:57 PM MST up reply actions  

You just lost all possibility of being my best man

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 23, 2010 10:18 PM MST up reply actions  

where do i stand

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 23, 2010 11:19 PM MST up reply actions  

You're one person who I wouldn't doubt who says that

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 23, 2010 10:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Well

taking principled stands is all well and good, I suppose, rage against the system and all that if its your thing. I don’t care to wear ties myself, or turtlenecks or necklaces or any other similar articles, but in my line of work they are often required (ties, that is). But aside from that, I’ve found myself in many “fun” circumstances where a tie was required, certainly irrelevant to the proceedings in the ways you suggest, but I’d rather wear a tie and have a good time than skip out based on seemingly trivial principle. Dif’rent srokes.

by Teekalong on Feb 23, 2010 6:24 PM MST up reply actions  

It's not "rage against the system" in the sense you;re using it.

I don’t abstain from wearing ties just because they’re “the system”. Wearing, say, socks is also part of “the system”, and I’m all well and good with that.

by Greg Stanwood on Feb 23, 2010 6:25 PM MST up reply actions  

really?

because it sounds a lot like you are raging against the system here. I’m not sure your position makes any sense otherwise. In any case, if you can stroll through life without wearing a tie, consequence free, ain’t nothin wrong with that I guess. Certainly I have no interest in strapping ties to folks who don’t want to wear them…

by Teekalong on Feb 23, 2010 6:30 PM MST up reply actions  

My position is that I think ties are impractical and I do not recognize their formal value.

While I do laugh at their integration into mainstream dress, I don’t dislike them because they have. As I said, there are many aspects of mainstream dress I have no problem with. I think it should be clear that there is absolutely no association with their regularity and the causes my dislike for them. It’s like food. I don’t like lettuce, but it isn’t because I’m raging against vegetables. Just as I don’t like lettuce, I don’t like ties.

by Greg Stanwood on Feb 23, 2010 6:34 PM MST up reply actions  

If you say so.

But I don’t get what you mean by “don’t recognize formal value.” Whether or not they look silly or have practical value has nothing to do with whether they are recognized as formal. They are, and there really is no contrary position. That doesn’t mean you have to like them or “respect” them or wear them. Ties are not like food, nobody is going to make you eat lettuce before you argue before the Supreme Court.

Oh well, this was fun.

by Teekalong on Feb 23, 2010 6:43 PM MST up reply actions  

But they might "make you" eat lettuce because all of the salads on the menu are lettuce based, for example.

Don’t get me wrong, I see the flaw in the analogy: food choice is much less scrutinized than is dress. But the logic behind it is the same in the sense that in both cases, there is an expectation based upon norms that you will fall into a specific classification, it’s just that the food buyer doesn’t have to buy that particular salad. I do fall into a class, however, that would prefer all these sorts of things be relegated to individual preference in favor of social expectation.

However, I’m simply not confident I’m arguing my position clearly enough if I still haven’t properly enlightened me on your view. I have no problem with “the system”, I’m simply one who will embrace it when I approve, and reject it when I don’t. Many people may view that as a silly stubbornness, but thankfully, my life allows for such freedom. I don’t know how I’d be able to respond with any real regular boundaries of social constraints.

by Greg Stanwood on Feb 23, 2010 6:50 PM MST up reply actions  

I have this problem

I’m allergic to lettuce and find it really hard to find a decent salad.

(this is true btw, not me trying to be funny!)

by biondino on Feb 24, 2010 6:41 AM MST up reply actions  

I wish society agreed with you

I don’t like ties but I feel like I have to wear them.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 23, 2010 6:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, again, I've lucked out.

I don’t care to participate in any events that may require them, and I work in a field where dress codes are as casual as could be imagined.

by Greg Stanwood on Feb 23, 2010 6:56 PM MST up reply actions  

You would think that I would have issues with marriage

given that between my parents, step-parents and myself, there have been eight divorces. But I don’t.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 24, 2010 8:38 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't understand how someone else's wedding suddenly becomes all about you and your preconceived ideas

Seriously, I’m not having a go, but can’t you see it’s kind of disrespectful?

(though if you’re 22 and most of your peers are still unmarried I guess you haven’t been forced to make this choice often, right?)

by biondino on Feb 24, 2010 8:42 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm not sure socks

are “part of the system”. There’s certainly very practical reasons behind socks and they are certainly not part of the system the way ties are.

Ties seem like the lone holdover from fashions of former eras that were much more complex and full of impractical, accoutrement – and maybe, perhaps at one time there was a real need for them.

As for the “rage against the system” comment. I can totally see where he’s coming from. Your extremely formal, and somewhat condescending tone can convey 1. That you’ve spent some serious time thinking about this issue to have such a well-articulated and strong stance on the subject and 2. That you see yourself as one of the few people who’s successfully ‘navigated through the false reality imposed upon the masses’ – or something to that effect. Not that that’s necessarily what I thought, nor is it necessarily what I think you believe, but one could totally be justified in coming to that conclusion, especially through vague internet-talk.

It also seems silly and/or immature to avoid things that require a tie simply because they require a tie – but then again, I doubt that’s your whole reason behind avoiding graduations or weddings, particularly since I don’t think technically any of those truly require a tie…

Btw I hope none of this came off like I’m coming down on you for avoiding ties or anything, and if it did, my apologies.

Also, what do you think of the Yankees’ policy regarding long hair and no facial hair except for mustaches? I think it’s total nonsense…

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by Resolution on Feb 23, 2010 9:21 PM MST up reply actions  

“here’s certainly very practical reasons behind socks and they are certainly not part of the system the way ties are.”

Precisely why I am okay with them. It still serves as an illustration why I am not simply “raging against the system”. if I see value in something, it doesn’t matter. See what I’m getting at?

“It also seems silly and/or immature to avoid things that require a tie simply because they require a tie”

Maybe, but the major things listed (weddings, for example) are not avoided because of ties (they’re avoid because I have a problem with marriage, which is another discussion altogether). I DO avoid formal gatherings, such as at restaurants or clubs that do have dress codes, simply because I do not approve. That is really the only case where it factors directly into my reasoning.

“Btw I hope none of this came off like I’m coming down on you for avoiding ties or anything, and if it did, my apologies.”

Not at all. One thing you’ll learn about me (surprised you haven’t already) is that just because I continue to argue, or defend a position, doesn’t mean I was offended. You’re talking to someone who majors in critical studies of film and television, and is a philosophy minor. My entire life, literally, is giving my opinion and debating it. Don’t take my willingness to debate such a tiny issue as this as me being offended, it’s just me exploring the issue with you. :)

“Also, what do you think of the Yankees’ policy regarding long hair and no facial hair except for mustaches? I think it’s total nonsense…”

It is one of the strongest reasons I don’t care for Joe Girardi.

by Greg Stanwood on Feb 23, 2010 9:28 PM MST up reply actions  

That's not Girardi's rule...

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 23, 2010 10:17 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure it is.

As it was a rule while he was there when he was in Florida, and then it left Florida when he did.

by Greg Stanwood on Feb 23, 2010 10:21 PM MST up reply actions  

It was a rule in New York before Girardi...

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 23, 2010 10:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, Girardi holds it down...

… so it is still one of the strongest reasons I don’t care for Joe Girardi.

by Greg Stanwood on Feb 23, 2010 10:23 PM MST up reply actions  

It's been a Steinbrenner rule for decades

Yankees could have mustaches, but beards and goatees have been forbidden except for part of 1995. Girardi did take it to Florida (I honestly didn’t know that until just now), but he “brought it from New York” after playing for the Yankees. So he is a step above Joe Torre, but not for the Yankees

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 23, 2010 10:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Yea dude

that totally has nothing to do with Girardi at all (in NY that is, in FL that was him)

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by Resolution on Feb 23, 2010 10:45 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't think I offended you

I just know stuff can get weird over the internet real fast sometimes and wanted to safeguard against it.

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by Resolution on Feb 23, 2010 10:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Gotta love Tucson

Palm trees framing snow-capped peaks. Where else can you get that? (Oh yeah, LA, but in Tucson you can avoid the smog).

by Teekalong on Feb 23, 2010 6:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Holy cow...

… the Blue Jays get 10 draft picks in the first 126 picks next year.

by Greg Stanwood on Feb 23, 2010 5:02 PM MST reply actions  

How did that happen?

Is that mostly from trading Halladay?

by BringItHome on Feb 23, 2010 5:05 PM MST up reply actions  

It's not from them trading Halladay at all, as you can't trade draft picks in MLB:

They have:
#11: Normal first round pick.
#34: Supplemental for Marco Scutaro.
#38: Supplemental for failed sandwich draft pick in 2009.
#41: Supplemental for Rod Barajas.
#61: Normal second round pick.
#69: Second round for failed second round pick in 2009.
#80: Second round for Marco Scutaro.
#93: Normal third round pick.
#113: Supplemental for failed third round pick in 2009.
#126: Normal fourth round pick.

by Greg Stanwood on Feb 23, 2010 5:11 PM MST up reply actions  

haha yeah

i remember them getting slammed for not signing any of their first three round draft picks.

by purplesocks on Feb 23, 2010 5:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Too bad

they no longer have Ricciardi, otherwise we’d get to witness the crap draft of the century

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by Resolution on Feb 23, 2010 5:26 PM MST up reply actions  

So lame

that you can’t trade picks. They could do some real damage with some NFL-style trade-ups there.

by Teekalong on Feb 23, 2010 6:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Either am I, to be honest

I’m sure there’s some rationale, but I’d be surprised if I’m compelled by it. Why you can trade a player for $$$ but not a draft pick for anything is baffling.

by Teekalong on Feb 23, 2010 6:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, a draft pick is not a tangible resource.

That’s about the only difference I can come up with though. I did a brief google search on the issue, but the only arguments I can find against it are that A) there is too much player leverage involved to prevent teams getting screwed, and B) that it would give bad teams an excuse to just trade for draft picks over and over again until they lucked into a good set.

by Greg Stanwood on Feb 23, 2010 6:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Maybe, but I'm not sure I agree

Draft picks certainly have established tangible values in other leagues, for instance. As noted below, however, the valuation is vastly different due to the nature of the draft. In any event, I bet folks could have come up with tangible value for Strasberg, that young dude next year, etc.

by Teekalong on Feb 23, 2010 8:21 PM MST up reply actions  

If something isn't tradeable there's no way the biggest clubs can simply buy that particular sporting advantage.

So it’s a way of preventing the gulf between big and small becoming even bigger (even if it might well be to the advantage of the small club in many cases).

by biondino on Feb 24, 2010 6:44 AM MST up reply actions  

but the current system

still allows for the big teams to buy, as we nearly found out with Matzek, etc. The current system certainly does not protect the strong from rampaging over the weak.

by Teekalong on Feb 24, 2010 10:17 AM MST up reply actions  

this is an important distinction between MLB and NFL/NBA

in terms of valuing the picks, but I’m not sure why it should matter whether they are tradeable. Buyer beware, and all that. They certainly wouldn’t have the value of an NBA pick, but why shouldn’t Wash have had the opportunity to trade the pick for Strasberg, if it wanted? A lot of this is all tied up into the no cap/no mandatory draft slotting system too. Oh well, I really don’t care, I just think its an odd rule.

by Teekalong on Feb 23, 2010 8:19 PM MST up reply actions  

I'l trade you

50 draft picks for Albert Pujols.

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by Russ Oates on Feb 23, 2010 8:26 PM MST up reply actions  

perfect illustration

I wouldn’t care that much if we COULD trade draft picks, I’m not really campaigning for or against it, I just don’t see it being a real impact of the MLB economy.

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 23, 2010 9:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Additionally, until international scouting is rolled into the draft

there’s no way to do it. Just trade all of your draft picks for some big player, and then dump all those signing bonuses into Latin America.

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 24, 2010 9:10 AM MST up reply actions  

I think I mentioned this in the Comish for a Day

fanpost, but regarding international scouting being rolled into the draft, what is the likelihood of that actually happening? And what do people think of the concerns of some that this would actually harm Latin American programs, since teams wouldn’t have as much incentive to spend as much money if they have no guarantee that they’d actually be able to draft a particular player? Would as many great prospects actually be found and developed properly if teams can’t control the process like they do now?

by holly96 on Feb 24, 2010 11:56 AM MST up reply actions  

This

plus I feel like in the NBA and NFL sure-fire ‘make it in the pros’ college players more often DO make it in the pros (quarterbacks aside) than in baseball

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by Resolution on Feb 23, 2010 9:24 PM MST up reply actions  

I bet they would give them all up to dump the Vernon Wells contract

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 23, 2010 6:51 PM MST up reply actions  

I bet Maria M will like this story

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 23, 2010 7:17 PM MST reply actions  

ha, wow.

surreal

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 23, 2010 7:47 PM MST up reply actions  

you know, it's fitting that this incident happened to the Royals.

They just can’t do anything right.

I mean, say what you like about the tenets of Rockies baseball, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

by squalene203 on Feb 23, 2010 8:03 PM MST up reply actions  

No

it should have happened to the Mets.

I can haz NL West title?

by Silverblood on Feb 23, 2010 8:05 PM MST up reply actions  

this

"I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats." - Bill Veeck.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 23, 2010 9:13 PM MST up reply actions  

yeah pretty much

I thought Cubs too

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 23, 2010 9:14 PM MST up reply actions  

I think what makes that pic great is

‘boys of spring’

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Feb 23, 2010 9:26 PM MST up reply actions  

well, the Mets were in the WS in 06.

The Royals are competing with Pittsburgh for worst team of the last decade.

I mean, say what you like about the tenets of Rockies baseball, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

by squalene203 on Feb 23, 2010 11:53 PM MST up reply actions  

The Mets should have been in the World Series in 06

but they choked hard at home in the late innings of games 2 and 7 in the NLCS and lost to an 83 win Cardinal team.

"I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats." - Bill Veeck.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 24, 2010 12:11 AM MST up reply actions  

Why are Americans

so trigger-happy with their litigation guns?

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Feb 23, 2010 9:28 PM MST up reply actions  

tort reform has failed

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 23, 2010 9:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Free money

If a hot dog can cause cataracts (it can’t), then someday, when I get diagnosed with cancer or diabetes, I’ll get season tickets and wait for a bag of peanuts to hit me so I can get my medicine paid for.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 23, 2010 10:22 PM MST up reply actions  

At least until people realize

correlation doesn’t imply causation

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Feb 23, 2010 10:48 PM MST up reply actions  

There's always some schlub that will fall for it

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 23, 2010 11:15 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not sure if he got a detached retina or not

but he certainly didn’t get cataracts from the hot dog.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 24, 2010 7:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Agreed

but only as long as the hotdog is allowed a countersuit for defamation of character or something

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Feb 24, 2010 9:17 AM MST up reply actions  

I would do a fanpost or fanshot but...

this is a baseball blog not a soccer blog. So I would appreciate y’all collective feedback on what is wrong with Major League Soccer. I’m writing a piece about what’s wrong with it.

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by lizardlad01 on Feb 24, 2010 9:41 AM MST reply actions  

yeah....there are...

what?

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 24, 2010 10:12 AM MST up reply actions  

What?

Making facetious trade rumors since 2012AD

by lizardlad01 on Feb 24, 2010 10:18 AM MST up reply actions  

Redundant repetitive

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by lizardlad01 on Feb 24, 2010 10:22 AM MST up reply actions  

From wikipedia:
In rhetoric, a tautology is a tautological rhetorical statement.

xkcd is superlative, btw.

Saved by the buoyancy of citrus.

by Justus on Feb 24, 2010 10:59 AM MST up reply actions  

it has its moments of pure genius

and then moments of “yeah wow why don’t you be a little creepier”

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 24, 2010 11:47 AM MST up reply actions  

don't talk about soccer in here please.

there are 8 soccer blogs in SBNation that would probably be happy to discuss it with you, and I encourage our users to participate should you start this discussion. Just not on Purple Row please.

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by Andrew Martin on Feb 24, 2010 10:22 AM MST up reply actions  

I do it with caution...

Anyway, about em Dodgers.

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by lizardlad01 on Feb 24, 2010 10:37 AM MST up reply actions  

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