Wednesday Rockpile: Troy Tulowitzki tells all; Vinny Castilla still has it; Jeff Weaver re-signs with Los Angeles
by Rox Girl on Feb 3, 2010 10:00 AM MST
in Rockpile
251 comments
The Denver Post has a big feature about the Rockies star shortstop today. It's a good read about where Troy Tulowitzki sees himself as he and the Rockies enter a new phase of their development simultaneously. Tulo really is analogous to the team itself anymore, which would sort of make him the definition of a franchise player. A companion piece provides some outside perspective on the shortstop.
***
Troy Renck blogged about Vinny Castilla's big game for Mexico in the Caribbean World Series, the game happily became the subject du jour of yesterday's Rockpile after the Ghostbusters and Lost discussions so I was able to keep updated on his exploits here. Renck also notes that the Rockies missed out on signing Kevin Gregg, who went to Toronto, and while I know some fans are pleased with this, adding him to our bullpen mix would have added some depth and flexibility and further closed the relief pitching gap we have with the Dodgers.
Much like the Orlando Cabrera situation, Gregg was a player that was getting undervalued after one very bad season following three above average years. The one bad season probably coincided with an overuse of his slider (he threw it nearly 30% of the time in 2009 after averaging just under 20% the three seasons prior to that). The Rockies were wanting him to pitch in an undefined set-up role, probably the seventh inning or perhaps later against weaker parts of the lineup in tied contests. The Rockies will go back to relying on their Belisle/Morales/Daley group to take care of this unless another option becomes available.
***
Jack Moore at FanGraphs takes a look at the Melvin Mora signing. This post is notable for its well reasoned defense of Clint Barmes.
***
The Dodgers were able to bulk up their own minor league pitching depth by re-signing Jeff Weaver. Despite this, as PF, errr, Andrew (the other Andrew?) alluded to in yesterday's Rockpile, the outgoing talent still outweighs the incoming talent for Los Angeles in 2010. Jon Weisman, of Dodger Thoughts (now part of ESPNLos Angeles) suggests that LA shouldn't worry given that their competition hasn't added much either. He cites the 1974/1975 off-season as a historical reference, but I find it kind of interesting that he tries seeing a parallel between the current version of the Dodgers and the Reds then rather than seeing the similarities that this Dodgers team has to that 1974 LA squad and that the competition (namely the Rockies) has to that Reds team.
Dilution of talent between 30 squads and the enormous financial advantage of the Yankees/Red Sox makes putting together another Big Red Machine virtually impossible, but as I've written frequently this off season, the Rockies are in a similar position this winter of getting rewarded if the rest of the league or division stagnates, which, as Weisman points out, is pretty much what happened (save for Arizona, which I'll probably have to delve deeper into tomorrow).
My big assertions for the 2010 season with regard to the Dodgers are:
1. Their outfield isn't as good as they think. This, I think, is a big similarity to that historical reference Weisman brings up. In 1974, Dodger fans were probably counting on similar OF production from Jimmy Wynn and Willie Crawford in 1975, and further progress from the young Bill Buckner going into his age 25 season. Instead, all three regressed. This winter, we're seeing the same sort of presumptions. I really think Matt Kemp's a fantastic player, and we likely haven't seen the best from him, but I'm not convinced that best will be coming in 2010 nor that his season will be better than 2009.
The expectations for Andre Ethier and Manny Ramirez seem even more outlandish. Self professed Dodger fans expect Ethier to be a four plus win player over replacement according to the FanGraphs projections, essentially repeating his career year from 2009 with better defense. Same boat for Ramirez, just under 600 PA's and 4.4 wins of value. Add that to the 6.2 wins from Kemp, and the Dodger fans that have taken time to read FanGraphs, log in and project some 2010 stats, meaning these are some of your more well read and stat savvy fans to begin with, see their starting outfield being worth just under 15 wins (14.8, to be exact). Alright, just to put where I'm at on paper before the season, I see their three starting outfielders hitting less than 70 HR in aggregate and being between 10 and 11 wins in value.
2. They aren't going to be as lucky with pitching as they were in 2009. I guess this could be subtitled "their bullpen isn't as good as they think, either." Which, unlike my outfield claim, I'm not really certain about. This could be one of those assertions you can come back and laugh at me for after the season. The fact is that bullpens as complete units tend to be fairly fluid in value as these collections of pitchers not good enough to be starters float around the mean. The Dodgers, however, for the last three seasons have been in the top three in bullpen FIP, or consistently good while other teams have been moving up and down the list. Their fans, perhaps with some good reason, have come to accept pitching superiority as absolute fact.
The reason why I'm dubious of this is I run into an issue when I try and objectively measure their pitching staff compared to everybody else's, namely the Giants and Rockies. The Dodgers have their solid arms, sure, Broxton's great, but so do those other teams. And the bottom of the Dodgers bullpen just doesn't seem that much more talented than the bottom of any other pen. My guess is that LA finally falls back in this category in 2010, but given the recent history, I could see why people wouldn't believe me on this.
3. They aren't going to be as good against Colorado as they were in 2009. The Rockies handed the Dodgers the 2009 NL West crown in April and May last year. If the teams somehow managed a .500 record against each other, which is kind of what one would expect in an 18 game season series between two 90-ish win teams, the Rockies would have been 97-65, the Dodgers 90-72. It didn't happen that way, though, LA beat us badly and therefore laid their rightful claim on the division title. That said, last season's LA/COL series results are hardly predictive for 2010. I don't see the same mismatch this season, and the series results should be pretty close to even.
To sum up, I think the Dodgers are in for a letdown in 2010. They just didn't do enough this off-season to address the talent attrition they're facing. And, as long as Brandon Webb and Jeff Francis are both as healthy as reports suggest, I think the Rockies and D-backs both finish ahead of them this year.
0 recs |
251 comments
|
Email
Print
Comments
Wow Castilla had a great game last night lol.
Love the piece on Tulo of course. Good stuff there. And I really don’t think the Dodgers will finish behind the D’Backs this year, they still have better talent than them IMO.
I think those two teams are going opposite directions this year,
how far each goes in their respective direction will determine the standings. I think it will be close either way.
Are you saying
Rockies
Diamondbacks
Dodgers
Giants
Padres?
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 10:19 AM MST up reply actions
Dodgers are only a year removed from last year's NL championship appearance
And it’s not like they lost a load of talent.
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Feb 3, 2010 11:20 AM MST up reply actions
who cares how old he is?
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Feb 3, 2010 11:41 AM MST up reply actions
well we're not talking about the 2012 dodgers here
Do you really foresee a big dropoff for Kuroda?
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Feb 3, 2010 11:51 AM MST up reply actions
I really don't know...
seeing that his 2009 wasn’t all that valuable thanks to injury, I’m not really expecting a drop in total value.
Thus far we’ve seen only fluky injuries for him, not age related ones, and while some see that as an overall positive for his health, and I suppose it is, I just wonder what happens when the inevitable age related issues start hitting him. It could be this year, it could be next or as you say, 2012, but some time in these next three seasons we’d expect to see greater indications that he’s entered his decline than we have.
well we all know that Japanese players can go forever if they're any good
but seriously, maybe an Aaron Cook level of production?
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Feb 3, 2010 12:01 PM MST up reply actions
The replaced Wolf, Pierre and Hudson with Green, Carroll and Justin Miller
That’s a pretty notable drop off. I expect Billingsley to come back strong, but the three OFs and Kershaw are good regression candidates
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 10:27 AM MST up reply actions
Green and Miller are longshots to make the team
Reed Johnson replaces Pierre
2B will likely be manned by Belliard for the most part, with Carroll mixed in (DeWitt likely to start in AAA)
A full season of Padilla replaces Wolf, and a bunch of internal guys (Stults, Elbert, McDonald) will take the 5th spot.
Not disagreeing about the dropoff, but the characters are different.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2010 10:30 AM MST up reply actions
how confident are you in Padilla's production over a full season
replacing a very good year from Wolf?
Attention Whore.
Not at all
I preferred Jon Garland over Padilla. Padilla has the higher upside of the two IMO, but the least likelihood to reach it, whereas Garland is the average-ish innings eater I felt they needed at the 4th spot in the rotation, the “sure thing” if you will.
That said, Padilla’s peripherals were strong in his short stint in LA, and he could be an asset, but he’s just as likely if not moreso, to flame out and be, well, Vicente Padilla.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2010 10:34 AM MST up reply actions
I dubbed him the White Livan Hernandez
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Feb 3, 2010 11:20 AM MST up reply actions
My initial reaction was to think that was a low blow, but you are probably right. [Hangs head]
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2010 12:09 PM MST up reply actions
no, seriously
like zero K potential, low walk rate, good HR control, durable as hell, white
the white livan hernandez
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Feb 3, 2010 1:22 PM MST up reply actions
I lazily C/Ped from Weisman
I would be very surprised if one of those replacements provide equal or better value than their 2009 counterparts
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 10:32 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah
In the case of Wolf and Pierre, they over-performed in 2009 anyway, so they will be hard to replace. For instance, Padilla might fundamentally be better than Wolf was (4.17 x-FIP) but not be able to put up the 3.23 ERA that Wolf did.
Pierre is not going to put up another 2009 anytime soon IMO, and Johnson is a likely upgrade over 2010 Pierre, but the question of course is will he be able to match 2009 Pierre (doubt it).
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2010 10:40 AM MST up reply actions
WHAT???
Justin Miller?? seriously? do you think he makes the 25 man??
raygu
www.faketeams.com
www.sbnation.com
by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 3, 2010 11:23 AM MST up reply actions
RAHHHH
THIS IS A BIG DEAL
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Feb 3, 2010 11:41 AM MST up reply actions
I'm glad you're still just as much of a jerk since your name change
I would have missed the old antagonistic RMN.
by controlled_slide on Feb 3, 2010 11:52 AM MST up reply actions
I do what I can??!!
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Feb 3, 2010 11:53 AM MST up reply actions
As I said, I just copied from your ESPN-LA reporter
I don’t expect Miller to be an impact arm, but Weisman was compelled to call him a “notable addition”
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 11:55 AM MST up reply actions
PECOTA says
Dbacks
Rockies
Dodgers
Giants
Padres
with the first four finishing within five games of each other.
I believe in a risen Francis
I'll be baffled if it finishes that way
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Feb 3, 2010 11:21 AM MST up reply actions
I would not be shocked if all but the Padres finish that closely.
If it’s actually that close then it won’t take much to shuffle the actual standings. I wouldn’t put money on it finishing like that but I don’t think it’s that unlikely.
Oops, never answered this, but as it stands now, yes, that's the way I'm predicting the division.
I’m buying into the Snakes’ resurgence.
Which means
You are buying into Brandon Webb’s shoulder? Have you seen anything on his recovery?
Hating Cubs fans since 1908
well, that's the big caveat, isn't it?
Along with Francis. I actually trust Francis’ shoulder more, but I don’t know how much of that is bias for the Rockies or whether my perceived justification for that thought (that control lefties are more likely to recover than hard sinker throwing righties) is correct.
I just haven't read anything on Webby
which shouldn’t be shocking since I don’t read Phoenix’s newspaper daily. The major difference between the Rockies and Dbacks situations there is that in order for Arizona to improve enough to be competitive, Webb needs to be near his previous Ace performance; while the Rockies merely need Francis to be a 3 or 4 starter, and are much better positioned to replace that should Jeff fall short.
Hating Cubs fans since 1908
also, Francis was shut down earlier and has had more time to enter into a training program
I fear Webb is being rushed into the rotation
Attention Whore.
You fear?
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 11:04 AM MST up reply actions
I think Webb is awesome
I may not like the team he plays for, but I have always had great respect for the pitcher.
Attention Whore.
I'd be more concerned that he's rushing himself into the rotation,
from everything I’ve read, that sounds more likely.
for Arizona to improve enough to be competitive, Webb needs to be near his previous Ace performance; while the Rockies merely need Francis to be a 3 or 4 starter
This is a fantastic statement
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 11:04 AM MST up reply actions
but do they need Webb to be an ACE?
Haren is already a top of the line pitcher, and Jackson and Kennedy should provide similar, if not more, value than Davis and Garland last year.
In order for the Dbacks to be better, Webb just has to provide more value than Petit + Buckner, correct?
Attention Whore.
In order for them to be better yes, in order for them to be a 90 win team, he has to be very good. Also Jackson was one of those guys who outperformed their FIP last year, although he is switching to the “easier league”; Ian Kennedy has pitched only 50 innings in MLB – while I think he can be good, he has a long ways to go to prove that.
Hating Cubs fans since 1908
I don't see them winning 90 games
but it’s not a huge step for them to be in the 82-85 win category right now. Webb will have to be ACE to expect any more than that.
Kennedy won’t be pitching against the BoSox or Rays anymore, the Pads and Giants will help his numbers quite a bit.
I don’t think Jackson will be any better than last year, and he is a huge candidate for regression. But he should be able to replace Davis’ value from last year, at the very minimum
Attention Whore.
but it’s not a huge step for them to be in the 82-85 win category right now. Webb will have to be ACE to expect any more than that.
I think that’s basically what I said originally?
Kennedy never pitched against the Red Sox, although ironically, in his only MLB Win, Edwin Jackson was handed the Loss.
Hating Cubs fans since 1908
In order for them to be better, sure
But if Francis is a solid 4, Webb needs to be an ace for them to contend with the Rockies
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 11:41 AM MST up reply actions
Everyone is
Which makes me wonder if I should. They have some solid areas of potential improvement, but none of them are sure things. Except first base. Joe Koshansky could come in and give them more than they got at first last year
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 10:51 AM MST up reply actions
For me it's just two basic thoughts:
1. Their team was much better than it looked throughout 2009
2. They’re better now than they were when the season ended.
I don’t know how far they go up, but I do know it’s pretty safe to say they finish with more than 81 wins this year. I’m guessing around 87.
I still have my doubts on the bullpen
but if they get an improvement out of it in 2010 I could see the other factors pulling them upwards.
I think 87 is about as high as they go
and even if they go that high I’m not sure that 87 is enough for second place in the division.
"Bob Gibson is the luckiest pitcher in baseball. He's always pitching when the other team doesn't score any runs." - Tim McCarver
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 3, 2010 12:46 PM MST up reply actions
I don't see the Dodgers finishing behind the Snakes this season..
I like the Dodgers two young startersbetter than a questionable Webb and a solid Haren, because of age alone. Also Upton/Kemp cancel each other out. Manny/Reynolds cancel each other; leaving Ethier and Blake to overwhelm the rest of the snakes.
Donate to charity by shopping for Purple Row Merchandise at:
Purple Row Cares
I was going to get into this tomorrow, but I'll probably have something else to write about by then,
So I’ll respond to this.
First of all as for the rotation:
Haren > Billingsley
Webb ? Kershaw – honestly this could go either way depending on Webb’s shoulder and Kershaw’s development, but both have significant questions heading into 2010 and significant potential.
Jackson > Kuroda – people will probably find this one suspect, but I believe this would be a better place to count on age than where you are.
Kennedy > Padilla This one will probably raise some eyebrows too, but a side effect of the Yankees snatching up Sabathia and Burnett as free agents last year was that they blocked Ian Kennedy from showing how good he’s become.
Billy Buckner, et al = James McDonald, et al – unless Chris Withrow’s ready, and from what I hear he’s not, the Dodgers don’t really have an advantage here.
Overall, the rotations seem to favor AZ.
Lineups:
Miguel Montero/Chris Snyder > Russell Martin; no backup means Martin gets worn down again, and Montero’s good.
LaRoche > Loney
Johnson > DeWitt/Carroll
Drew = or > Furcal This one probably could go either way, but Furcal’s getting older.
Reynolds > Blake
Ramirez > Jackson
Kemp > Young
Upton > Ethier
I just see more advantages for Arizona when it comes to players who play the most. I think LA has advantages in the bullpen, but not really on the bench. I think people are being too dismissive of Arizona after last year.
See I don't think Arizona was ever that great to begin with
I also disagree on the lineups a little. Last year LA outscored the DBacks by 60 runs even though they play in a pitcher’s paradise. While I think the lineups are close I would still give the edge to the Dodgers.
Let’s put it this way, if the DBacks and Dodgers are playing each other early in the season, I’m rooting for the DBacks because I’m worried more about the Dodgers.
"Bob Gibson is the luckiest pitcher in baseball. He's always pitching when the other team doesn't score any runs." - Tim McCarver
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 3, 2010 2:31 PM MST up reply actions
I'm really not on the Arizona bandwagon this year...
I’ve got them at 80 wins this year and a third/fourth place finish.
The writer formerly known as Jabberwocky
READ and LEARN about the business of baseball at Purple Row Academy
Eschew Obfuscation!
To clarify...
I don’t think that Arizona’s pitching will be reliable and effective enough to compensate for their relatively weaker lineup.
The writer formerly known as Jabberwocky
READ and LEARN about the business of baseball at Purple Row Academy
Eschew Obfuscation!
You'd think so
but Sabean’s moves in the offseason suggest otherwise
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 4:17 PM MST up reply actions
As I was able to watch that game, he really looked good.
And Dan Plesac had to buzzkill, by pointing out that the quality of pitching Castilla faced wouldn’t be quite the same as in the MLB..
but it was surely fun to watch
2009 Colorado Rockies - Greatest comeback in MLB history to win NL WildCard
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
The announcers literally spent 60% of their words from his HR to the last out gushing about Castilla
Even when Venezuela was hitting
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 10:20 AM MST up reply actions
indeed they did...except for that one little part
2009 Colorado Rockies - Greatest comeback in MLB history to win NL WildCard
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
A grand total of 13 Dodger fans have logged into Fangraphs to make their projections for Kemp, and only 10 have done so for Ethier. I think those can be taken with a heaping grain of salt.
I haven't had the time to read comments in depth at TBLA
What is the general feeling on what to expect from Kemp/Ethier?
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 10:36 AM MST up reply actions
The overall feeling is bullish on both, with the general idea being that Ethier is at or near his peak already, while we are all waiting in line behind Rihanna to have Kemp’s children. :)
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2010 10:42 AM MST up reply actions
just fyi matt kemp is the man
trade you for uh someone we have
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Feb 3, 2010 11:23 AM MST up reply actions
Fowler, Roling and Frazier
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 11:42 AM MST up reply actions
I don't think it's definite
but it’s a good possibility.
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Feb 3, 2010 12:09 PM MST up reply actions
I still take Beltran
but he’s likely on the way down sooner than later
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Feb 3, 2010 1:23 PM MST up reply actions
I see two types of CF
one is the traditional speed/ leadoff/ defense/ average guy in which granderson and sizemore, mike bourn, nyjer morgan
and then there is the “new” CF a average/ power/ middle of the line-up guy like beltran/ Kemp (love the guy, just not his team), maybe mclouth, Victornio, Tori hunter, alex Rios, adam jones
I dont know what my point is, other than there are a grip of really good CF in the game and Kemp is a stud but definitely the best…no way, guey.
I would definitely put
Sizemore in the second category. He gets lumped into the first since he has batted leadoff for so long, but he is much more the prototypical 3 hole guy. Career slash line of .275/.367/.485 – remarkably similar to Beltran and better than Kemp’s OPS.
Hating Cubs fans since 1908
I suppose so,
But even the non-Dodger fans seem to have high expectations for these players, and I really don’t envision that what those few that have projected is that different than what you’d expect if you were to survey TBLA’s readership. I think a lot of Dodger fans are counting on a near repeat of 2009 for Ethier and a few seem to see improvement. There’s an almost universal expectation that you’ll be better off in left with a full time Ramirez (or as close as Manny gets to FT) in 2010 than you were in aggregate at that position in 2009, but you had 120 wRC in left from Ramirez and Pierre in 2009, and conservative projections for Manny are suggesting around 80 wRC. There’s just so much attrition I see happening even with players carried over, let alone those that were lost, that I don’t know how your team’s going to cover it all.
The issue with Manny, which we will find out soon enough, is how much the hand injury contributed to his 2nd half woes (this is relatively speaking of course — he had an .809 OPS after his July 22 “bobbleslam”). If he is healthier, he will produce in 2010, probably for something like 120-130 games.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2010 10:46 AM MST up reply actions
And how much it was the lack of roids
I know I harp on, but we can’t exactly forget that little factor, can we.
We couldn't even if we tried
You bring up baseball in almost any conversation and steroids are bound to become a topic. But if he is truly off them now, he could indeed see significant attrition.
So dawn goes down to day.
Nothing gold can stay.
by bleedspurple on Feb 3, 2010 10:59 AM MST up reply actions
Right
That’s what we will find out in 2010.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2010 11:12 AM MST up reply actions
We'll find out so much in 2010
My head will be liable to explode with information;)
So dawn goes down to day.
Nothing gold can stay.
by bleedspurple on Feb 3, 2010 11:19 AM MST up reply actions
Personally
I disagree with you on Ethier. His career 2009 followed up a monster second half in 2008; the sample size of him doing great things at the plate, while not two full years, is slightly bigger than just last season. His biggest problem (aside from his mediocre defense) is his platoon splits. His BABIP against LHP was only .215 – while that is probably somewhat indicative of his abilities to make solid contact against that type of pitching, it is significantly lower than his career BABIP against LHP of .292 There is clearly more to it than this, but if he improves against lefties even a little, I really don’t see why he cant be a 3-4 win player.
Hating Cubs fans since 1908
Sure he can, but I don't believe that it's too likely, especially given his "fielding".
The writer formerly known as Jabberwocky
READ and LEARN about the business of baseball at Purple Row Academy
Eschew Obfuscation!
A more able Hawpe, but yeah, he's pretty bad out there.
The writer formerly known as Jabberwocky
READ and LEARN about the business of baseball at Purple Row Academy
Eschew Obfuscation!
I didn't think it was possible
But I’m more excited about Tulo next year after reading that article. I’m glad he plays on the Rockies.
by controlled_slide on Feb 3, 2010 10:37 AM MST reply actions
My immediate excitable reaction was swiftly muted
by my internal protection mechanism designed to keep me from getting my hopes up too high
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 10:39 AM MST up reply actions
I always get my hopes too high
It’s part of being a fan.
by controlled_slide on Feb 3, 2010 10:45 AM MST up reply actions
I was ready to predict a .315-40-120 season with 30 SBs after reading that article
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 10:55 AM MST up reply actions
That would be beyond amazing
sigh…alas wishful thinking gets me nowhere
So dawn goes down to day.
Nothing gold can stay.
by bleedspurple on Feb 3, 2010 11:01 AM MST up reply actions
Last year he was .297-32-92 with 20 SBs
That’s not much of a stretch. He was around a 5.5-6 win player last year. Have we seen his peak? Can he be a 6.5 win player? 7 wins? Frankly, almost anything is possible.
by controlled_slide on Feb 3, 2010 11:19 AM MST up reply actions
I will (happily) eat my hat if he reaches 30 SB
but if he can be semi-consistent with the bat I could see the offensive stats jump. I’m believing the hype about his stance, etc.
exactly
better consistency will undoubtedly jump his stats up
So dawn goes down to day.
Nothing gold can stay.
by bleedspurple on Feb 3, 2010 11:25 AM MST up reply actions
I'd be happy if he'd just cut down on his caught stealing
And stay around 15-20 SBs.
by controlled_slide on Feb 3, 2010 11:40 AM MST up reply actions
Me too
A CS negates almost two SBs in value
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 11:43 AM MST up reply actions
well I wonder how many of the CS were failed H/R
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Feb 3, 2010 11:44 AM MST up reply actions
I honestly can't recall
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 11:56 AM MST up reply actions
He surely can
But he’s got to have a consistently strong season. He can’t afford long stretches in a slump if he wants those kinds of numbers.
So dawn goes down to day.
Nothing gold can stay.
by bleedspurple on Feb 3, 2010 11:24 AM MST up reply actions
CHONE had him at 6.8 WAR in 2009
The writer formerly known as Jabberwocky
READ and LEARN about the business of baseball at Purple Row Academy
Eschew Obfuscation!
heehee CHONE in spanish means
underwear
getting some chone-chone means getting some poon…
Chone Figggins also makes me giggle
I actually would predict that kind of season
Those are the type of numbers he put up after changing his stance last season. Now that he has that stance for 6 moths instead of four his numbers should project out that way. I know that there are so many other things that go into this stuff but I really believe that Tulo is one players that just has “IT”. (That undefinable thing that separates the great players from the immortal players) Not only do I believe Tulo has “IT”, I believe he has it in all areas of the game. (Offense, defense, power, instincts, leadership, work ethic, community member) Hell, he probably even the best looking player on the team but I’ll leave that for the ladies to decide. Tulo truly is the pulse of the Rockies and it seems like he wants to be remebered as the guy who turned Colorado into a baseball powerhouse. What a legacy that would be.
Go Do It Tulo! I believe in you.
"Bob Gibson is the luckiest pitcher in baseball. He's always pitching when the other team doesn't score any runs." - Tim McCarver
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 3, 2010 1:06 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't be shocked if he can pull that off
He has shown legitimate flashes of that jump (not like – James Loney has shown flashes!), but it’s still a really incredible season and a lot of things will have to go right. In addition, the last two offseasons, we all thought “he’ll be better next year because he won’t be so terrible in April.” Until he proves he can start right, I can’t project he will, which is what would be necessary for that monster season
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 1:22 PM MST up reply actions
But unlike the last two season we have a new variable
Tulo’s current stance is different than the stance he’s had in years past. I put more weight into that than his previous Aprils.
"Bob Gibson is the luckiest pitcher in baseball. He's always pitching when the other team doesn't score any runs." - Tim McCarver
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 3, 2010 1:28 PM MST up reply actions
While this is true
it still doesn’t explain away his poor starts. I’m optimistic this stance change can bring immediate results in April, but there may be other factors leading to the poor starts
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 1:31 PM MST up reply actions
+1
For adding RBIs in there.
Donate to charity by shopping for Purple Row Merchandise at:
Purple Row Cares
I'm 100% with you on that
Though I realize PF’s point not to let my ardent admiration of Troy as an individual balloon my expectations of him as a player this season. Still, Tulo is so the man.
So dawn goes down to day.
Nothing gold can stay.
by bleedspurple on Feb 3, 2010 10:43 AM MST up reply actions
I'm guessing Dan-yell.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
THIS and rec'd
2009 Colorado Rockies - Greatest comeback in MLB history to win NL WildCard
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
I was thinking "Dan-ILL" in my head
But then I remembered my chemistry teacher pronounced carbonyl as “kar-buh-NEEL”, so now I have “da-NEEL” in my head. Anyway, I don’t know
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 11:03 AM MST up reply actions
Maybe it's just pronounced "Daniel"
The hair stylist I went to last week is named Kiele, pronounced as you would “Kyle”. Apparently her parents just really wanted to name their child Kyle so they just tried feminizing the spelling.
"I wonder how many fangirls just had their hearts broken?"
Bronco utter fail: COMPLETE. When does the Rockies season start? Not.soon.enough.
70 HRs from the OF???
Come on Rox Girl? Kemp and Ethier will hit 30 apiece, and Manny hit close to 20 while missing 50 games last year. That’s a very far-fetched prediction. LA has the best OF in the NL right now, and the best bullpen.
You poll major league GMs asking which closer they prefer-Brox, Wilson or Street, I predict 90% pick Broxton.
Sorry had to respond to this post…its funny that you think the DBacks will make up 25 games this year. What did they do to better themselves? Webb is a big question mark.
raygu
www.faketeams.com
www.sbnation.com
Well, that's why I wanted to put it on paper.
Or at least on the computer screen. This way you have something specific to point to should I be wrong.
I like Broxton, I think he’s one of the two or three best relievers in the game, but my qualm is that the Dodgers bullpen unit on the whole has defied more gravity than what one would normally expect. I ’m just going out on a limb and suggesting that 2010 might be the year it stops doing this, or at least to the degree that it has.
kudos to you
Its possible we se 70 HRs from Kemp and Ethier combined…..
you make a good point about the pen…..bullpen guys are so up and down….who knows.
raygu
www.faketeams.com
www.sbnation.com
by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 3, 2010 12:05 PM MST up reply actions
Kemp hasn't hit 30 yet, so projecting him 30+, while not totally unreasonable, isn't like WRITTEN IN STONE
and Ethier has touched 30 all of once.
but yeah, 70 homers, write it down, proven fact, how could we doubt this?
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Feb 3, 2010 12:11 PM MST up reply actions
read the word
possible. thank you.
but why not?? its not like they both hit 15 HRs last year….
raygu
www.faketeams.com
www.sbnation.com
by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 3, 2010 12:15 PM MST up reply actions
I hear Tulo is gonna bat .315/40/120 next season
WHAT IT’S POSSIBLE
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Feb 3, 2010 1:23 PM MST up reply actions
humidor
not working?
raygu
www.faketeams.com
www.sbnation.com
by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 3, 2010 2:15 PM MST up reply actions
AND THEN UBALDO WILL POST A 2.87 ERA AND STRIKE OUT 275 GUYS
POSSIBLE
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Feb 3, 2010 2:23 PM MST up reply actions
Not that I believe this will happen
But under Tracy, with the new stance and toe tap, Tulo put up this line in 105 games:
.325, 27 HR, 76 RBI. → .402 OBP, .616 SLG, 1.018 OPS
If that’s the “real Tulo,” we project that to 150 games:
.325, 39 HR, 109 RBI. → .402 OBP, .616 SLG, 1.018 OPS
A little shy on RBIs from 120, but he’ll pick up more by being in the 4-hole all season. A little high on the average. Hmm.
Again, I don’t expect him to have six months like the four he had to close out 2009. But he certainly doesn’t need the humidor to break for those numbers to be possible.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 2:28 PM MST up reply actions
this
"Bob Gibson is the luckiest pitcher in baseball. He's always pitching when the other team doesn't score any runs." - Tim McCarver
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 3, 2010 2:32 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed
I could see 50-55 HR out of Ethier & Kemp with them still having “good” seasons. 70 seems like a stretch, but I would of course welcome it.
by Eric Stephen on Feb 3, 2010 12:16 PM MST up reply actions
I can get on board this sentiment completely
primarily because it means less homers for the dodgers, but more because if falls more in line with what these players’ skillsets look to be.
Unless Ethier’s ISO continues to soar and he belts 36-40 and goes all Mark Reynolds on us
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Feb 3, 2010 1:24 PM MST up reply actions
The DBacks will be adding Jackson, Kennedy, LaRoche, Johnson and essentially Conor Jackson
A lot of players underperformed last season, and regression to the mean, in their case, means a swift jump up. They didn’t lose as much talent from 2008-09 to reflect their drop-off. I can see a larger jump. Not 25 games. No one said they would go from 70 to 95. I don’t think they can catch LA, but they should be better.
Kemp and Ethier will hit 30 apiece, and Manny hit close to 20 while missing 50 games last year.
I think RG pretty clearly said she expects all three to regress some from 2009, none of which is really an outlandish case to suggest such a thing. As for best OF in the NL, are you considering the bench? Because Seth Smith + Ryan Spilborghs > Johnson + Amezaga (or whoever the 5th OF will be).
Just for the record, I compiled stats of every hitter in the NL West last season. The Dodgers finished 2nd in the NL West in WAR in LF, CF and RF.
Depth and defense are often overlooked
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 11:52 AM MST up reply actions
Well, they were second in every position
And there wasn’t a consistent #1. It wouldn’t surprise me if they were the best OF last year when you add it all together.
by controlled_slide on Feb 3, 2010 11:56 AM MST up reply actions
This is true. I'm not suggesting they WEREN'T best in the NL West last year
But not landing a single OF position in the top spot suggests they weren’t the worldbeaters Dodger fans might like to think. Additionally, the Rox figure to be better than last season, while the Dodgers will be worse with likely regression and the difference between 09Pierre and 10Johnson
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 11:58 AM MST up reply actions
Re: D'backs making up games
The Rockies were 18 games better in 09 than they were in 08. You could argue there are some serious parallels between the 08 Rox and the 09 DBs. They worry me plenty.
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
I have to throw my voice in as one of those who isn’t buying the Diamondbacks resurgence one bit. Not buying Brandon Webb returning as ‘BRANDON WEBB’, not buying a rebirth of Chris Young, not buying Johnson being better than Lopez at 2B or Laroche being demonstrably better than Jackson at 1B, not buying the back end of the rotation featuring Ian Kennedy and Billy Buckner. That’s not a .500 team to me.
I also think my fear of the Dodgers is largely based on the fact that they went 25-1 against us last season (approximately). I think their bullpen surprises from last year will take steps back (Belisario & Troncoso), I think Manny’s production starts to dip, and I think they’ll have some falloff in production from 3B and 2B. If we can tip the scales even slightly back in our direction in the head to head, we’ll finish with a better record.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
I can definitely see
a dropoff in production from 3B and 2B, for sure…..but its possible Loney starts to show some power in 2010, and Martin bounces back some. Belliard’s bat at 2B is not bad in a platoon situation.
raygu
www.faketeams.com
www.sbnation.com
by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 3, 2010 11:46 AM MST up reply actions
You just love to rip the Dodgers don't you you RoxGirl
In all seriousness though, I like all of your points. The last one about how the Dodgers dominated the Rockies is a really interesting one because the Rockies always seemed to catch the Dodgers at the wrong time last season. This year the head to head matchups could be a major swing factor again because 12 of the 18 games the Rockies play against the Dodgers are in the last 44 games of the season. It could be a wild end to the summer.
"Bob Gibson is the luckiest pitcher in baseball. He's always pitching when the other team doesn't score any runs." - Tim McCarver
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 3, 2010 12:40 PM MST reply actions
Sporting news picked the Rox to take the division
I know its probably been out for a while and ya’all have probably covered it but it is strange to see the Rox in the cat-bird seat….
and those 12 games in the last 44 will give both organizations hope/anxiety all the way to the end…but it’s nice to be back in the mix of relevant baseball organizations
To think of all the nasty stuff I used to say about the FO during the Gen R ation and Todd and the toddlers not being competitive until 2008 et al, and now look how it turned out…luck perhaps, but having a reasonably stable game plan actually works…Good for them and I eat my words…Thankfully.
I was just looking through MLB standings in 2005
We were BAAAAAAAD
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 1:23 PM MST up reply actions
Like cellar bad
"Bob Gibson is the luckiest pitcher in baseball. He's always pitching when the other team doesn't score any runs." - Tim McCarver
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 3, 2010 1:31 PM MST up reply actions
Almost Nationals bad
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 1:32 PM MST up reply actions
The whole West sucked that year
That probably means we were even worse.
"Bob Gibson is the luckiest pitcher in baseball. He's always pitching when the other team doesn't score any runs." - Tim McCarver
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 3, 2010 1:51 PM MST up reply actions
I've certainly devoted much of my attention to them this winter
that mostly stems from respect as a significant rival, but there’s probably some of this involved, in that their situation fascinates me. To have the natural advantages that team has over the rest of the division in the media market/established brand departments but to be so mediocre over the last couple of decades in utilizing said advantage either through the incompetence of prior GM’s or the financial situation of the current ownership is just sort of odd.
I kind of feel you misread my column
You wrote: “I find it kind of interesting that he tries seeing a parallel between the current version of the Dodgers and the Reds then rather than seeing the similarities that this Dodgers team has to that 1974 LA squad and that the competition (namely the Rockies) has to that Reds team.”
I wrote in the story: "In other words, 1975 is a bad omen for the 2010 Dodgers – unless the 2009 Dodgers are the 1974 Reds. "
I feel it’s pretty clear in that sentence and throughout my piece that I see both possibilities for the Dodgers, that the possibility of a down season for the Dodgers is real.
The same applies to the Rockies, though. It’s not as if they don’t have plenty of places where they could have setbacks … I’m not quite convinced it’s a Big Purple Machine.
So on a scale of one to ten
one being the Rockies will prevail in the division on the last day of the season
and ten being the Rox can rest the starters for most of Aug through Sept
When will the Big Purple Machine clinch the title?
Thanks for giving me my new signature line….originality is one of my strengths
fair enough, thanks for the clarification and the response.
It’s probably going to take quite a bit more to convince any of us of the BPM (a division title would be a good start, Rockies) but I do get the sense right now that keeping the status quo within the division helps a younger winning team (the Rockies) much more than an older one (the Dodgers). Now I know that it isn’t quite as black and white as that, as you do have a couple of young players that you can look to build around and as I mention above, financial advantages that should allow you to do so, but I don’t think the rest of the division, save maybe the D-backs who are approaching the off-season like they have to win this year, are paying enough attention to the momentum that’s building in Colorado right now.
I think this is a large part of my homerism coming out, but I really think that NL West teams should be building for 95 wins as a standard to compete with the Rockies in the next couple of years, and I don’t really see them doing that.
Team Mexico is back on MLBN this afternoon...
Anybody watching? Is Viiny playing? Please to update thread???
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
I did not realize but the game just started ....
Thanks for the heads up…that’s what I get for going to yoga, and cleaning.
teach me
2009 Colorado Rockies - Greatest comeback in MLB history to win NL WildCard
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
6-0 Dominican in the bottom of the 2nd
ewww….does not bode well
2009 Colorado Rockies - Greatest comeback in MLB history to win NL WildCard
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
You really need to stay out of shape in a dirty apartment
It’s the best way to live
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 2:13 PM MST up reply actions
hahaha ....I've heard this....
2009 Colorado Rockies - Greatest comeback in MLB history to win NL WildCard
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
Following on GameDay
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2010_02_03_domwin_mexwin_1
DR is already up 6-0 on Mexico. Vinnie is 1-1.
I believe in a risen Francis
Thank you!
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
Test for new signature line
The Big Purple Machine will make a believer outta you!
by El Paso Jeff on Feb 3, 2010 2:12 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
well done...
/applauds :) and rec’d
2009 Colorado Rockies - Greatest comeback in MLB history to win NL WildCard
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
I cannot approach your sig line quality but I am new to this
I will also work on my downward facing dog, someday to be at the height of flexibility and blogging fame at the same time
The Big Purple Machine will make a believer outta you!
wait, are you saying your goal
is too blog whilst practicing the downward facing dog?? Because that would be fame-worthy..
2009 Colorado Rockies - Greatest comeback in MLB history to win NL WildCard
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
ha...and SDcat practices Downward Facing Dog....
followed by the CatStretch….go figure!!!
it’s so Zen!!
2009 Colorado Rockies - Greatest comeback in MLB history to win NL WildCard
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
i just got that
amazing, if the joke is not vulgar I have no clue
I have been in HS too long (going on 15 years, counting my own HS years)
The Big Purple Machine will make a believer outta you!
no actually it was not intended to be vulgar at all :(
there is a yoga stretch called the Cat Stretch…..
2009 Colorado Rockies - Greatest comeback in MLB history to win NL WildCard
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
You know what would help Mexico today?
one Senor Jorge De La Rosa!!! (being that he is from Monterrey, Mexico)
2009 Colorado Rockies - Greatest comeback in MLB history to win NL WildCard
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
say goodbye to Adrian Gonzalez
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/02/moorad-finds-adrian-gonzalez-extension-unlikely.html
While I’d be thrilled to have him part of the organization for the long term, the early signals indicate his cost will be greater than our ability to pay.
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
We hardly knew ye?
NEVER SURRENDER DREAMS
Purple Row - Covering all your Rockies needs!
Diplomatic and Military History Book Review - My other blog where I go all historical on you.
Oh and for discussion's sake
Would anyone be willing to trade for him (theoretically & assuming Todd isn’t an issue)? If so what would you be willing to part with?
I’d obviously love to have a player like him to take over once Todd leaves, but I’m not sure I’d give up much to get him.
I'd really hate to see Christian Friedrich dominate us at PetCo Park
or any of our prospects for that matter.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 3:56 PM MST up reply actions
That is to say
A lot of teams would love to have Adrian, and he’s not ridiculously expensive. We’d be stocking a division rival with top prospects in order to win a bidding war.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 3:58 PM MST up reply actions
As painful as his effortless bombs were to left-center at Coors
this makes me sad
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 3:55 PM MST up reply actions
agreed
anything that makes Boston better saddens me as well.
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Feb 3, 2010 3:56 PM MST up reply actions
I really don't what
people have against Boston and New York. I just don’t.
NEVER SURRENDER DREAMS
Purple Row - Covering all your Rockies needs!
Diplomatic and Military History Book Review - My other blog where I go all historical on you.
rich get richer, etc
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Feb 3, 2010 4:02 PM MST up reply actions
Be more concerned
when the poor get poorer.
NEVER SURRENDER DREAMS
Purple Row - Covering all your Rockies needs!
Diplomatic and Military History Book Review - My other blog where I go all historical on you.
Isn't that what's happening?
the hapless Padres are going to be getting rid of their best player. If Heath Bell gets hurt, we could be looking at a Will Venable All-Star.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 4:18 PM MST up reply actions
Depends on what they get in return.
NEVER SURRENDER DREAMS
Purple Row - Covering all your Rockies needs!
Diplomatic and Military History Book Review - My other blog where I go all historical on you.
pffff
Chris Young will somehow make it back.
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Feb 3, 2010 4:21 PM MST up reply actions
Guns on a subway..
are my concern.
Donate to charity by shopping for Purple Row Merchandise at:
Purple Row Cares
You need to visit NY
to dispel you of these weird notions you have of NY.
NEVER SURRENDER DREAMS
Purple Row - Covering all your Rockies needs!
Diplomatic and Military History Book Review - My other blog where I go all historical on you.
what, are we just supposed to IGNORE John Rocker??!
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Feb 3, 2010 4:15 PM MST up reply actions
You get to meet
so many interesting individuals on the 7 train.
NEVER SURRENDER DREAMS
Purple Row - Covering all your Rockies needs!
Diplomatic and Military History Book Review - My other blog where I go all historical on you.
I ran into a guy with two pistols in his pockets on a bus in Denver
trying to get away from Coors Field after Game 7 of the 2001 Stanley Cup Finals
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 4:19 PM MST up reply actions
We hear enough of them
Unless you live in Boston or New York, you’d rather see parity and changes in power.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 4:20 PM MST up reply actions
I live in New York.
NEVER SURRENDER DREAMS
Purple Row - Covering all your Rockies needs!
Diplomatic and Military History Book Review - My other blog where I go all historical on you.
and you don't understand why everyone hates NY/BOS
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Feb 3, 2010 4:23 PM MST up reply actions
Exactly.
I also think we need a hyperpower, a superpower, a few major actors, some developing actors, and the backwaters.
NEVER SURRENDER DREAMS
Purple Row - Covering all your Rockies needs!
Diplomatic and Military History Book Review - My other blog where I go all historical on you.
You're probably right
Hatred of a common enemy bands people together
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 4:29 PM MST up reply actions
What if you live between them ;-)
"Bob Gibson is the luckiest pitcher in baseball. He's always pitching when the other team doesn't score any runs." - Tim McCarver
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 3, 2010 4:42 PM MST up reply actions
Face, you're practically a "suburb" of Boston anyway :)
Just down 95 just a little ways.
Don't hate the player, hate the game, except all Yankees players.
Rhode Islanders don't like to be referred to as a suburb of Boston or part of Long Island New York
"Bob Gibson is the luckiest pitcher in baseball. He's always pitching when the other team doesn't score any runs." - Tim McCarver
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 3, 2010 5:33 PM MST up reply actions
I know.
Just razzing you. As an ex-Masshole :)
Don't hate the player, hate the game, except all Yankees players.
Yeah I know
What part of Mass are you from? I almost consider west Mass and east Mass two different states.
"Bob Gibson is the luckiest pitcher in baseball. He's always pitching when the other team doesn't score any runs." - Tim McCarver
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 3, 2010 6:39 PM MST up reply actions
Born and raised in Lowell
Left for 13 years, came back and lived in Medford for two more years, and left for good. I won’t live east of I-25 anymore
Don't hate the player, hate the game, except all Yankees players.
And they are different states
Get beyond the Connecticut River and you’re in a different country :). They don’t say “tonic” (soda) or “wicked” or “wicked pissa” – but then again no else does either. In fact, they pronounce their r’s. I’ve pretty much lost my accent,except when I call my family back their.
Don't hate the player, hate the game, except all Yankees players.
For me it's the fans
Especially Red Sox fans who think they invented sports and that only Boston sports matter. I actually don’t mind New York fans as much. I was the other guy that rooted for the Yankees with you during the World Series, remember?
by controlled_slide on Feb 3, 2010 6:33 PM MST up reply actions
Adrian Gonzalez would own so hard as a Mariner
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Feb 3, 2010 4:04 PM MST up reply actions
If the Mariners land him
I might move to Seattle. What an offseason.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 4:19 PM MST up reply actions
roomies?
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Feb 3, 2010 4:21 PM MST up reply actions
/rent slashed
cool
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 4:29 PM MST up reply actions
With your new handles it's like you're the same person when I skim threads.
The writer formerly known as Jabberwocky
READ and LEARN about the business of baseball at Purple Row Academy
Eschew Obfuscation!
I'm having the same problem
and every time you post, I have to pause and think who you are
Attention Whore.
just get drunk and say "Jeff Aberle" out loud
It’ll be close to jabberwocky
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 5:39 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I did step one, but now...
I can’t remember step 2, or focus very well on what you wrote!
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
I'll be the guy in a orange shirt EVERY Monday...Broncos are my team win or lose.
due to name only or name and content?
It doesn’t help that we both have generic six letter last names that are in the top 100 most prevalent names in this country. At least I threw in an initial
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 5:43 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
which will be good for distingushing
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Feb 3, 2010 6:24 PM MST up reply actions
For me Russ and RMN look similar
With the 2 links in their sigs. This will only make things more complicated.
by controlled_slide on Feb 3, 2010 6:39 PM MST up reply actions
RMN
goes all statistical on you; I go all historical.
NEVER SURRENDER DREAMS
Purple Row - Covering all your Rockies needs!
Diplomatic and Military History Book Review - My other blog where I go all historical on you.
Sadistical and Hysterical?
Naaahhhhh
Don't hate the player, hate the game, except all Yankees players.
how sad for you
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Feb 4, 2010 8:38 AM MST up reply actions
PECOTA is smoke and mirrors IMO
that or like a big baseball dartboard
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Feb 3, 2010 6:25 PM MST up reply actions
Anyone wants to come up here and go to a game with me is welcome
I’m definitely gonna check out a Felix game or two if I get a job that’s still up here.
by controlled_slide on Feb 3, 2010 6:36 PM MST up reply actions
So very off-topic but.
I got admitted into UC Irvine today! I find out about UC Berkeley and UCLA in late March, but since I consider the PR community my friends I thought I’d share this. yay!
Congratulations!
2009 Colorado Rockies - Greatest comeback in MLB history to win NL WildCard
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
Congrats
You’re hoping for Berkeley or LA
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 4:51 PM MST up reply actions
right?
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 4:51 PM MST up reply actions
Yessir.
Preferably Berkeley, but even if I get denied to both UC Irvine’s a good school that I’ll be excited to go to.
Is that the Anteaters?
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
well congratulations.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
Congrats
Good luck getting into Berkeley and UCLA
"Bob Gibson is the luckiest pitcher in baseball. He's always pitching when the other team doesn't score any runs." - Tim McCarver
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 3, 2010 5:34 PM MST up reply actions
Friends...
I just rec’d news that my mom fell and broke her hip and will need surgery immediately. Please send positive energy, prayers whatever for her speedy recovery.
2009 Colorado Rockies - Greatest comeback in MLB history to win NL WildCard
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
I'm sorry for mentioning but I do feel that despite all our bickering over sports...
this a darn decent group of people and I felt comfortable to mention.
Thanks so much
2009 Colorado Rockies - Greatest comeback in MLB history to win NL WildCard
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
/sends positive energy
Shortening “received” to “rec’d” sort of threw me for a moment. I thought you were reccing that news.
NEVER SURRENDER DREAMS
Purple Row - Covering all your Rockies needs!
Diplomatic and Military History Book Review - My other blog where I go all historical on you.
Positive thoughts for your mom and your family
Here’s to her getting out of surgery good as new!
Attention Whore.
Sorry to hear that SDcat
I’ll say a prayer for her.
"Bob Gibson is the luckiest pitcher in baseball. He's always pitching when the other team doesn't score any runs." - Tim McCarver
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 3, 2010 5:54 PM MST up reply actions
all of the above to you and your family Cat!
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
Very sorry to hear that
Hope she has a speedy recovery. Is this related to her earlier health troubles?
by controlled_slide on Feb 3, 2010 6:34 PM MST up reply actions
actually ironically its not...:(
the other issues worked out :) so I was quite relieved. Apparently she fell getting out of the bath. :(
2009 Colorado Rockies - Greatest comeback in MLB history to win NL WildCard
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
That's too bad
Hope she has a successful surgery.
by controlled_slide on Feb 3, 2010 6:40 PM MST up reply actions
Tigers lock up Verlander for 5 years 80 million
"Bob Gibson is the luckiest pitcher in baseball. He's always pitching when the other team doesn't score any runs." - Tim McCarver
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 3, 2010 5:55 PM MST reply actions
Oh, and the Mets, Cubs, Dodgers and Giants are all losers
"Bob Gibson is the luckiest pitcher in baseball. He's always pitching when the other team doesn't score any runs." - Tim McCarver
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 3, 2010 6:01 PM MST up reply actions
Second best deal in baseball
"Bob Gibson is the luckiest pitcher in baseball. He's always pitching when the other team doesn't score any runs." - Tim McCarver
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 3, 2010 6:19 PM MST up reply actions
He's essentially under contract for seven more seasons
and even at his most expensive third option year (when he’s 30), he’ll make only as much as Carlos Silva will this year and next.
10:$0.95M, 11:$2M, 12:$4.5M, 13:$6M, 14:$7.5M club option ($3M buyout), 15:$11M club option, 16:$11.5M club option
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 3, 2010 10:19 PM MST up reply actions
wow
that’s a freaking steal if he stays healthy
Purple Row: Take this personally
http://www.youtube.com/user/rockiesmagicnumber
Learn about Batting Metrics
Learn about Pitching Metrics
by Andrew Martin on Feb 3, 2010 6:25 PM MST up reply actions
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
In Association With
SBNation.com Recent Stories
Blogroll
News and Stuff:
Official Rockies Site
Rocky Mountain News
Denver Post
Inside the Rockies
Hardball in the Rockies (Thomas Harding's blog)
The Growing Colorado Rockies Blog Avalanche:
Diamond in the Rox
Denver Baseball Observer
Rox Head
Rockies Photo Blog
Inside the Humidor
Purple Rox Squad
Rockpile Rant
View from the Rockpile
I Live for This
Rocky Mountain Way
Rockies Review
Rockiescast
Rockies Locker
Other Colorado Rockies forums/discussions:
TheScoreBoards.com
Colorado Sports blogs:
Mile High Report (Denver Broncos)
BroncoTalk (Denver Broncos)
Mile High Hockey (Colorado Avalanche)
Denver Stiffs (Denver Nuggets)
The Ralphie Report (CU Buffaloes)
Certain photos copyright © 2010 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
