Stewart and Mora
Hey guys, I read just about every day but don't post often. Perhaps this has been discussed already or maybe it hasn't. I keep seeing things along the lines of Renck's "For the first time since he was the 10th pick in the 2003 draft, Stewart enters spring training as a big-league starter," and have to ask myself if this is really true. Isn't the addition of Mora a very serious threat to Stewart's day job? Is there something glaring that I'm missing that would keep him off the bench?
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I'm pretty sure that Mora will be the backup
Stewart has huge potential, and the fact that Atkins wasn’t brought back indicates that the team likes Stewart and trusts him with the starter role. The only way that Mora becomes the starter is if Stewart slumps badly. Stewart’s better right now, plus he has a much higher upside.
by controlled_slide on Feb 8, 2010 1:21 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Stewart is the man. Mora is only there to spot him and Barmes at 2nd Base
by purplecrush31 on Feb 15, 2010 6:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Stewart would have to have
a disasterous spring to lose that job, IMO. In general I believe that all positions should be relatively open to competition (except in Helton/Tulo type situations, which don’t apply to Stewart) but I don’t see the team really even considering Mora as a starter unless Stewart falls on his face. And even then, unlikely. But we’ll see.
by Teekalong on Feb 8, 2010 2:28 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I guess Stewart's
lack of playing time last post season has me thinking. I understand wanting a righty in there but I was bummed to see Atkins get the spot at the end of the year. I haven’t heard anything about Stewart learning to hit from the other side this off season and I don’t see anybody else taking up the role. It just seems like if Atkins was good enough for the post season why wouldn’t Mora be good enough for the day to day job? As I’m typing this it sounds kind of ridiculous though.
by ckloewer on Feb 8, 2010 2:44 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I get the feeling that the organization values his defense enough to keep starting him
regardless of slumps. I fully expect Caber to fall into a slump or two but he’s at a point in his career where he has to prove he can pull through them with some consistent playing time. If he does struggle I could see him getting a little time off and Mora starting a little, but not taking the full time job. I think it would have to be a huge black hole of a slump to lose the job.
by phishbate on Feb 8, 2010 3:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
what youre missing
1-the club has far more invested in Stewart
2- Stewart is far superior defensively
3-as displayed bythe second base position, the Rockies don’t bring in free agents to start over home grown talent
4- tracy overplayed platoon splits in the nlds. Notice hawpe will be the starter
More importantly:
5-mora is a mere shadow of his formerself with the bat
6-even with the down year, k’s and poor batting average, Stewart hit for enough power to be an above average mlb hitter
7-Stewart has far more upside
8-Stewart is the better player
In my view, only injury keeps Stewart out of the starting lineup. He could hit .111 in spring training and still start
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 8, 2010 3:27 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
p much this
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 9, 2010 12:16 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
IMO, thisis an important year for Stewart
I am still not sold on Ian Stewart offensivily or defensivly. Last season RoxGirl and I went back an forth on this. My concerns with Stewart are still the same, inability to adjust when pitchers adjust to him, (This game is all about constant adjustments) and lack of concentration on defense. He makes an amazing play and then boots an easy one. I realize everyone does that and especially young guys. I also realize he is tagged with more errors because he can get to more balls and therefore has more (and harder) chances to make an error. Then again what is the use of getting to it if you throw it into the seats. His minor league number usually put him right at the top of the team in errors. In fact, in 2008 he lead both the Rockies and the Sky Sox in errors.
OK, now for the upside, a ton of power, great range and a rocket arm. He only had 7 error last year. While that looks like an improvement, it is tempered by the fact he took only about 55% of the chances at 3rd base. (226 TC for Stewart and 182 for Atkins.) Given that would you project that number to be higher maybe 12, 13 or 14?
So, in a nutshell, I think he will have the job out of ST, and be given a fairly long rope. However, if he is not getting the job done (and I do not think he got the job done last year) then they will have to give Mora a shot and may have to rethink if he will be the 3rd baseman of the future.
What if the hokey pokey is what it is all about after all????
by FlyAway on Feb 9, 2010 8:02 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Booting balls
Not sure it can be said that he doesn’t have concentration on defense, or that he boots easy chances with any regularity. Without getting into range, or the value thereof, Stewart had a higher fielding percentage than renowned defense wizards Adrian Beltre and Pedro Feliz.
For guys with more than 800 innings at third, he’s in the top 8 in both fielding percentage and UZR/150. As you say, Stewart made 7 errors in 226 chances. Even assuming all of those were routine plays, that’s not terrible.
Much like pinch hitting decreases the value of a hitter by a set percentage, I’d guess that irregular play in the field would generally devalue a player’s fielding.
Perhaps getting 140-150 games at third would give Stewart the regularity he needs to perfect his timing. Everything else is there for him to be a very good fielder.
by deacs on Feb 9, 2010 2:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Stewart is the future
The Rockies NEED Stewart to be the 3rd baseman this year, Mora is a one year deal and near his end. The Rockies have banked on their young talent and in order to win they need that young core mixed in with veteran leadership to win. Stewart will hit better than his .220, even if he hit .250 with 30 HR I consider that a huge improvement!
by denverfan12 on Feb 9, 2010 6:09 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Satchel Price wrote a piece called
A Golden Age of Third Baseman?
He names 26 third basemen as potential stars at third base this decade, including names like Andy LaRoche, Alex Gordon, Josh Bell, Matt Dominguez, and down to Mike Moustakas, Todd Frazier and even a college player – Anthony Rendon.
Where does he mention Stewart? Nowhere.
Let’s hope Satch feels like an idiot come September
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 9, 2010 6:24 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Well this explains
why I read this web page as much as I do. (aside from Rox luv) I’m not much of a math guy but I do like reading so many of the stats around here and once again, you guys have put together a very sensible dialogue. I don’t know why but I was always rooting for Stewart more than my friends last year and when he wasn’t performing all that well I still was bummed not to see him on the roster. Ultimately I’m very happy with what the Rockies have done this off season and it seems to me that if Barmes and Stewart are the weakest links on the starting lineup (I wonder if Barmey would make a top 26 in the league piece) then we’re gonna have one heckava team. I keep telling my friends half in jest, half seriously that this is the year we win our first classic. And by half in jest I mean completely serious.
by ckloewer on Feb 9, 2010 10:29 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
God I hope you're right
My brain may just explode if it happens…
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by Muzia on Feb 11, 2010 1:18 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
i can attest to this being a very real possibility
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 11, 2010 9:26 AM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Mora is insurance
When playing 162 games its good to have the best insurance you can offord.
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by 3nS on Feb 12, 2010 12:13 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Are any of you glad that a quality guy like Mora is here?
Look; I agree that Stewart is the starter; but he has only shown flashes of brilliance at the plate. I haven’t seen any consistancy in his plate discipline or his swing. He is still a guess hitter. Mora had a lot of the same problems to overcome as he came up. Eventually the light went on in the closet. I think he has the perspective now to help Stewie and Barmy overcome that. My fear is that his passion to play will make Mel pull happy at Coors. I have never heard anyone say anything about him being a bad team mate. I think he understands his role as spelled out to him by O’Dowd. He is a proud man who has had a solid if not spectacular career. Most of us only dream of accomplishing what he has. Show some respect!
by Oldfoagie on Feb 13, 2010 10:49 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I’m pretty sure if you roll back just a little bit and read the thread where he was signed, you’d see that most everyone is ok with the signing.
Mora is old. He’s a backup. there’s not much to get super excited about.
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 14, 2010 1:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
this also cracks me up
Show some respect!
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 14, 2010 1:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
People like oldfoagie think being new must = bad
I ignore them (especially when they’re Mets fans. And can’t spell).
by biondino on Feb 14, 2010 5:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
There's a preponderance of whippersnappers here
Although that’s not to say that people here are disrespectful, but many here value flashy newfangled stats over intangibles like grit and hustle. Please know though that we (or at least I) don’t mind at all when people disagree with me as long as they’re not jerks about it. From what I’ve seen from you so far, I don’t expect that you’ll be someone who gets into ugly fights about it.
But you’ve got to respect us also. Maybe we don’t use the same stats that you do, and maybe we value stats more than you do, but that doesn’t mean that we dislike Mora or think that he’s a bad player or anything like that. Some of us like the signing, some would have preferred a different guy to be the 5th infielder, but no one that I’ve seen is bashing Mora for the sake of bashing Mora. Some guys are starters, some guys are backups, and all have value to the team within their role.
by controlled_slide on Feb 14, 2010 2:01 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Stranger things have happened
Baseball history is full of guys who have been written off thriving with a change of scene and a change of role. A hitting coach with a different perspective can change things for good or ill too. Melvin has been written off before more than once. He has bounced back more than once before too. He is not so old that another two or three seasons of good production aren’t possible. For the Rox; I think he has more upside to the alternatives of the veteran backups they considered. In my perfect world they would have brought back Jamie Carroll. They decided they couldn’t afford him. Mel is no Brooks Robinson; but he’s a better glove than Tatis or Quinlan would have been. I agree Stewart is the future; I would not be surpised if he spends some time on the pine from a protracted slump. Hot stove baseball is always a stat thing. I’m more like Joe Torre in respecting what you do and how and when you do it as opposed to what the numbers look like. I am not against exploring the numbers; it can be fun! You guys seem to love JG. He did a good job in a role he never performed well in before. Considering the season he was having before he got here; did he project to do as well as he did? I am for giving Mel a clean slate to work with. Wouldn’t you if you had to start a new job? It just seemed to me your expectations were too low for him.
by Oldfoagie on Feb 14, 2010 10:29 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
He's very old and is a potential ex-roider. Expectations are about right.
His numbers haven’t been great for a while and there’s plenty to worry about. Stewie will probably slump at some point, Mora will probably take over and do an okay job. But it seems you’re looking at a) only the best case scenario and b) a player who doesn’t exist any more. If anyone’s avoiding reality here, it’s you.
by biondino on Feb 15, 2010 5:26 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
we agree on Carroll
and I’m not down on Mora, I wanted him over Tatis and roughly everyone else the whole time. I want to see a rebound year out of him – not to all-star form, but maybe a league-average bat.
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 15, 2010 4:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Just so you know exactly what my expectaions are...
Playing strictly part time and no bump in playing time from a Stewart slump. 300ab’s 2.60 avg. 12dings 18dubs 55rbi. With a protracted Stewart slump; 425ab’s .245avg 18dings 24dubs 65rbi. The only reson I give so many ab’s is he is supposed to back up three infield positions and fight Spilly for right handed ph’s. That number may be high; but Barmes is in a make or break year too. Mel has always been brittle. So EY jr may get some of these ab’s. EY jr still has to prove he can hit too. Either way; even if you think I’m howling at the moon, Mel is a major offensive upgrade from Q. He will consequently get more opportunity. The rest is clubhouse mix and how he perfoms in the clutch.
by Oldfoagie on Feb 16, 2010 10:27 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
EYJ doesn't have a roster spot
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