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Thursday Rockpile: Rox Girl is slightly afraid of Snakes, you should be too.

Okay, I spent all morning writing a drawn out response to Andrew Fisher's Diamondbacks post yesterday, so for links you just get bullet points from the Denver Post from me. If you've noticed some more yourself, feel free to post them in the comments.

 

 

I'm feeling a little sassy today as certain opinions I've expressed on the blog the last few months are getting assailed from different quarters including via friendly fire here at Purple Row. Time to step up and defend myself, but where to start? I think I'll go with what to me is the easy one, which is to actually defend the MLB team I dislike above all others, the Arizona Diamondbacks. Troy Renck's already written them off, and in the post just below this one, Andrew Fisher does the same. While I agree with Jeff Aberle that the Rockies are going to win the West, and I really think it's going to be a wider margin than people outside of Purple Row are expecting, overlooking the Snakes is a big mistake. Let me start with an obvious flaw in Andrew's conclusion yesterday:

Star-divide

 


Okay, I know this is doing open heart surgery with a butter knife if ever there was such a thing. There is certainly room for improvement above projections from some, but I think these predictions are certainly on the optimistic side of things. It assumes no injures, no personnel flux, at times includes more ABs than are possible for a given position, and assumes Kennedy and Webb stick to their workload potential.

Assuming marginal improvement from the bullpen, this roster looks to be about 7.0 wins better than they were in 2009. That equates to 77 wins. Or - if you utilize their 2009 Pythagorean, an 82-80 record. So - are you scared of the Diamondbacks?

 

Put those seven wins back into the scale they came from, rather than the scales that Andrew switched them to at the very end of his piece. In 2009, the Diamondbacks had 34.0 WAR overall according to FanGraphs. 34.0 WAR plus 7.0 WAR equals 41.0 WAR. In 2009, the Dodgers and Rockies both had 43.9 WAR in finishing with over 90 wins. If we give teams a plus or minus of five wins from their projections, which I hope you realize as you read the rest of this is a very stingy figure and putting a lot more faith in projections than you probably should, the Diamondbacks are certainly capable of winning the division. Also, they are certainly capable of finishing fourth or even fifth again.

That said, I still think they're going to finish second unless I'm underestimating the Giants. Let me spell out the reasons that I'm right and you guys are all wrong, ;)

 

  • Projections show the thinnest possible strip in the middle of what can be a large band of possible outcomes. At the end of the season, when we say teams are "surprising" or "disappointing" what we're usually really saying is that they were either above or below that thin strip in the middle by a large margin, as such, if you're looking for teams to surprise or disappoint in any given season, just looking at that mid-range projection won't be as useful as looking at the upper or lower ranges of those bands. The D-backs have a surprisingly high upper range (around 90 wins) for a team coming off a 70 win season.
  • Somewhat related to that first point, projection systems will miss certain events completely. Obviously they can't foresee season ending shoulder surgeries for ace pitchers or drug suspensions for star outfielders, but beyond this, even some on-field events go outside what they typically convey to us.That is to say, some players' performances will be in the less than 1% tails at either end of their projection bands, and since most systems only concern themselves with 25th to 75th percentile range at best, seasons such as the 2009 versions of Pittsburgh's Garret Jones and Arizona's Chris Young (to use two examples at opposite ends of the spectrum) will seem to come at us out of nowhere.
  • Because baseball is a meritocracy with a large player pool fighting for a small amount of jobs, these individual outliers and other unexpected events (the shoulder surgeries and drug suspensions) will tend to have an exaggerated impact on the standings. Player events like Jones' are likely to give teams an unseen boost as they muscle their way into previously weak lineup spots, player events like Young will leave teams vulnerable if they don't have adequate bench depth to replace them.
  • Even though projection systems by their nature can't foretell these events, does not necessarily make them unpredictable. Specifically identifying the Garret Jones' of the baseball world may be a next to impossible task, but with knowledge of teams' systems one can identify likely sources for players like this to emerge. A team with a weak MLB starting roster but a lot of useful 25 to 28 year old AAAA types backing them up will likely see somebody emerge from the latter category to take the place of the former at an average or above MLB level of play. Conversely, teams which are overly reliant on players that are outside the seasons where we'd expect near peak production (let's just say from ages 26 to 32, you can quibble with the range, but the point stands) are far more likely to suffer disappointments relative to projections than those with cores in their prime.
  • Many people find WPA as a somewhat useless stat when it comes to predicting stuff, which can make the few of us that know otherwise seem smarter than we really are. At the team level, it's a marvelous device for identifying teams that are being misjudged by either projections or the mainstream. Start in 2001 and just go through these charts year by year and look for some consistency. What you'll likely note is that good teams do tend to have positive WPA's and bad teams negative, but the range fluctuates and leaders in the category one year will often fall back to the middle of the pack or lower the next. In 2006, the Rockies had a deeply negative WPA that flipped to one of MLB's best in 2007. In 2008, the team fell back again before rebounding to the middle of the pack in 2009. Why do I feel Los Angeles is overrated and Arizona underrated? Partly because in 2009, the teams were at opposite ends of the WPA spectrum. Los Angeles was both lucky and good in 2009, Arizona was certainly unlucky, but I really don't think they were that bad talent wise, mediocre might be more like it. This will balance out, and it's likely to this season.
  • The unbalanced schedule skews our perception of teams. After 2007, the Dodgers were underrated going into 2008 in large part because of their 34-48 record against the rest of the NL West despite having a more talented group than that. After 2008, the Rockies were underrated going into 2009 because of their 31-41 record against the West. After 2009? I'm guessing it's the Diamondbacks turn after a 30-42 record and that the Dodgers are most certainly being overrated after going 46-26. Like Tommy Lasorda's Slim fast commercials, a small type disclaimer needs to be made that these results are not typical given the talent levels of either club.

 

In fact, I believe the 2009 results are fudging the data, effectively making Los Angeles appear stronger talent-wise than they really are in 2010 projections, and Arizona weaker, similarly to how some projections for the Rockies heading into 2008 may have led us to be overly optimistic. Thankfully for our team in 2010, we're passing most of these stress tests (one notable warning flag is in the category of percentage of players that had the best season of their careers) I use to try and gauge teams as "likely to disappoint", whereas I see the Dodgers as really weak in several of the categories. The Giants likewise seem like they played above their heads in 2009. The Diamondbacks, on the other hand, keep on looking pretty good in the "likely to surprise" categories, which are pretty much the opposite of the above.

Since baseball's a zero sum game, if I'm predicting those two California teams (not to mention San Diego, who I also think will be losing more than they did in 2009) to drop back significantly this season (by more than five games), some other team has to be the beneficiary. To me, Arizona is easily the most likely candidate given that the Rockies probably don't have a lot of upper growth for this season from their 92 win campaign last year (I do think we're going to be right around 95 wins, but that's only a plus three).

So next, I'm going to tell you all why you're wrong about Brad Hawpe, but that one's admittedly going to be far trickier to prove.


 

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by WolfMarauder on Mar 11, 2010 10:17 AM MST reply actions  

The good news:

Helton’s contract is deferred, meaning he will probably be somewhat cheaper over the next few years.

The bad news:
We’ll likely be paying a 40 year with a bad back old 20+ million dollars. Helton or not, that’s playing with fire.

I’ll have a more informed opinion once I see the contract.

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by WolfMarauder on Mar 11, 2010 10:27 AM MST up reply actions  

Looks like when they said deferred....

… they meant DEFERRED LIKE MAD.

I am liking this deal more and more.

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by WolfMarauder on Mar 11, 2010 10:28 AM MST up reply actions  

Over 10 years, hell yes.

The salary is a small price to pay to keep Helton in purple pinstripes. This is awesome awesome news.

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by phishbate on Mar 11, 2010 10:29 AM MST up reply actions  

Best news in a long time.

Let’s go out and get Todd a WS ring to celebrate!

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by RdRnnr on Mar 11, 2010 10:30 AM MST up reply actions  

That's exactly what this puts the team in a position to do

there is a window right now, Helton wants a part of it and is giving us payroll flexibility to take advantage.

Iron Maiden? Excellent!

by Muzia on Mar 11, 2010 10:32 AM MST up reply actions  

My point exactly.

Dan/Monforts, make it happen.

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by RdRnnr on Mar 11, 2010 10:33 AM MST up reply actions  

Sweet....

Let’s use that payroll flexibility to lock in our young talent!

I know Ubaldo is already locked in for a few years, but if he turns in a huge year, does anyone think we re-visit his contract and throw even bigger bucks to keep him long term?

by attackparrot on Mar 11, 2010 10:38 AM MST up reply actions  

I think this is win win win

Todd gets a nice pension (better tax situation), he can retire a Rockie, and Rockies can have more room in the budget.

by BringItHome on Mar 11, 2010 10:31 AM MST up reply actions  

More detail from Renck
He was scheduled to make $19.1 million in 2011. As part of this new deal, he will get $10.6 million — a $6 million salary and the $4.6 million buyout which was converted into a signing bonus. So it saves the Rockies $8.5 million on next year’s payroll.

Huge.

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by phishbate on Mar 11, 2010 10:32 AM MST up reply actions  

This is fantastic.

My biggest problem with Helton was the giant chunk of money he took up. Now, we’ll have more budget flexibility than in recent years AND still have Helton.

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by WolfMarauder on Mar 11, 2010 10:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Hell yes.

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by phishbate on Mar 11, 2010 10:39 AM MST up reply actions  

This!

Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Look out Dodgers...Purple objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

by RdRnnr on Mar 11, 2010 10:43 AM MST up reply actions  

Woot!

Now my wife’s favorite player is going to give her 17 reasons to go to games at Coors Field!

by Rocky Mountain High on Mar 11, 2010 7:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Wow.

Just wow. Todd Helton, you are my favorite player ever.

Iron Maiden? Excellent!

by Muzia on Mar 11, 2010 10:23 AM MST up reply actions  

Holy crap yes!

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by phishbate on Mar 11, 2010 10:23 AM MST up reply actions  

I love you Todd!

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by phishbate on Mar 11, 2010 10:24 AM MST up reply actions  

man can we retie number 17 right now

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by RockiesDave on Mar 11, 2010 10:26 AM MST up reply actions  

I mean while he is still playing

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by RockiesDave on Mar 11, 2010 10:26 AM MST up reply actions  

That would mean he'd have to switch numbers himself.

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by WolfMarauder on Mar 11, 2010 10:27 AM MST up reply actions  

heh

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by RockiesDave on Mar 11, 2010 10:28 AM MST up reply actions  

not really

The number can be worn only by the player/person who retired it. Retire it now and Helton can keep wearing it.

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JFK

by jrockies on Mar 12, 2010 4:26 PM MST up reply actions  

There's something

simply beautiful about a baseball glove on top of your head

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by ShadowPenguin on Mar 11, 2010 10:30 AM MST up reply actions  

Deferring 13M starting next year

AND only 5M for 2012 and 2013?

Good lord, that is an absolute bargain

Iron Maiden? Excellent!

by Muzia on Mar 11, 2010 10:24 AM MST up reply actions  

It really makes a lot of sense though

I don’t think he would want to go through free agency and this way he can just keep playing.

by BringItHome on Mar 11, 2010 10:26 AM MST up reply actions  

I wanna send him a thank you card or something, hah.

Great for the team, and actually great for Todd as insurance as he’s aging.

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by phishbate on Mar 11, 2010 10:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Absolutely agreed

DOD deserves one too

Iron Maiden? Excellent!

by Muzia on Mar 11, 2010 10:39 AM MST up reply actions  

I think I'll actually work one up later today

I am so friggin’ happy.

Any idea how we can all sign a card digitally? Using our handles?

Iron Maiden? Excellent!

by Muzia on Mar 11, 2010 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

You guys will never be able to verify this, but in my draft for my long Todd Helton piece about the HOF, I actually predicted this would happen
The last couple of seasons we have seen players from other teams such as Scott Rolen and Andruw Jones rework their contracts for the mutual benefit of themselves and their respective clubs. Given the relatively stable relationship Helton and the Rockies have right now, I’m somewhat expecting a similar arrangement to be reached between them after the 2010 season, which would guarantee Helton a 2012 contract and possibly a 2013 option with a buyout in exchange for a reduced 2011 commitment.

I now have to rewrite.

by Rox Girl on Mar 11, 2010 10:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Sweet, I like this news

More Todd, retire as a Rockie! Woot!

But can someone familiar with contracts explain the deferring part?
All I know is that it loosely means the money won’t be on the books for that year, but when would it be paid out? Just curious how it would work out in the 10 years after 2014.

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by ShadowPenguin on Mar 11, 2010 10:27 AM MST up reply actions  

The Rockies will owe him money through 2023, it looks like.

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by WolfMarauder on Mar 11, 2010 10:28 AM MST up reply actions  

I imagine it's be a $1.xm/year for the following decade?

Matt Holliday (I think) has something similar that takes him through to 2029. Am I remembering that right?

by biondino on Mar 11, 2010 10:29 AM MST up reply actions  

Correct.

Just like we are paying Mike Hampton deferred money through 2018.

Iron Maiden? Excellent!

by Muzia on Mar 11, 2010 10:31 AM MST up reply actions  

I think they just consider it dead money

it’s just become an annual expense for them.

Iron Maiden? Excellent!

by Muzia on Mar 11, 2010 10:34 AM MST up reply actions  

I think it pulls from a different bucket of cash...

As you alluded to above, it’s probably from the same bucket as front/back office salary. I believe the accountant in me wants to say “Special Expense – Restructuring” or like.

by attackparrot on Mar 11, 2010 10:43 AM MST up reply actions  

As Far as Hampton goes.

I believe they have already set aside all the money necessary for him so it doesn’t affect future expenses another wise move by DOD.

by Chacinisthefuture on Mar 11, 2010 11:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Ahhh, I see

Thanks for the clarification guys

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by ShadowPenguin on Mar 11, 2010 10:31 AM MST up reply actions  

This seriously just made my day

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 11, 2010 10:58 AM MST up reply actions  

Less important transaction news:

We signed RHP Rick Bauer and LHP Scott Rice to minor league contracts.

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by WolfMarauder on Mar 11, 2010 10:34 AM MST reply actions  

Anyone familiar with either?

Is this just roster filler?

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by phishbate on Mar 11, 2010 10:38 AM MST up reply actions  

Roster filler.

Both were out of MLB last year, in Korean and Independent leagues.

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by WolfMarauder on Mar 11, 2010 10:42 AM MST up reply actions  

RICK BAUER

beep….beep….beep….beep

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by Andrew Martin on Mar 11, 2010 11:00 AM MST up reply actions  

Heh, I thought the same thing

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by ShadowPenguin on Mar 11, 2010 11:22 AM MST up reply actions  

RG, how are you feeling on your Dbacks treatise

if Webb misses the first few months of the season or more. Do you feel they still have enough rotation talent to compete?

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by Muzia on Mar 11, 2010 10:43 AM MST reply actions  

It depends on what "more" is.

One month? Probably. My real opinion is that without Webb, they’re still a sneaky good team on the fringe of contention, with him, they’re a bit closer to our level.

by Rox Girl on Mar 11, 2010 10:54 AM MST up reply actions  

i think youre making my argument for me

By saying projections only achieve a small median strip of possible outcomes. I don’t deny this whatsoever. Based on the most optimistic projections we have, they are still behind the pace of the 09 Rockies. Sure, they could fall anywhere from 77 to 92, but especially with Webb possibly starting on the dl, the high side seems less likely.

If the Rockies take care of business and play anywhere near their talent level, they will be at the upward end of Arizona’s projections, where they will need a healthy Webb, return to prominence for Young and Drew, perhaps a breakout from someone else, and perhaps some pythagorean charm. This still doesn’t make me “worry” about Arizona, even if I acknowledge the possibility they could win upwards of 88 games. If we take care of business, the likelihood of a perfect storm leading Arizona past us is remote.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 11, 2010 10:52 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

Perhaps what I'm saying that's different from you is probably more about the Dodgers than the D-backs then.

In that I really feel that Arizona might be more of a threat to the Rockies this season than Los Angeles. In the end, I think we win the division by more than five games over the second place team, so comparing them to us might not be the best standard.

by Rox Girl on Mar 11, 2010 11:01 AM MST up reply actions  

it is strange

I can definitely are Arizona passing LA if things falls right, but I’m about as afraid of finishing behind Arizona as I was finishing behind frisco last year, and that’s saying something. What that amounts to, then, is that it seems the Rockies are the best team in the division, with a sufficient buffer. That kind of scares me.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 11, 2010 11:35 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Rox Girl, I thought your post was great as usual.

And I also really enjoyed Andrew’s article about the DBacks. They both bring up an issue that I’ve been interested in for a little while now. Most baseball projections and stats give some sort of mean rate, but as baseball involves stochastic processes, it seems to me that a distribution of numbers would be more appropriate. In most cases this would be difficult or impossible to do, but it seems like it might be possible to create upper and lower bounds. For example, it would be interesting to see the +/- 1 standard deviation win totals for the DBacks, or any other team. Alternatively, 25% and 75% bounds might be more intuitive. It would then be possible to see where these distributions overlap.

by RoxnSox09 on Mar 11, 2010 11:59 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree, I wish to see these as well.

I think the projectionists might think it makes things too fuzzy when most sports fans like straight forward information, but those of us that understand that these things are fuzzy by nature and that there’s nothing to be done about that would get more out of them.

by Rox Girl on Mar 11, 2010 12:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Say, I've got a question about your comment on WPA.

I don’t understand how the Rockies had nearly 0 WPA last year, but still had a winning record. If I understand correctly, both teams start a game with 0.5 probability of winning. At the end of the game, one team wins (+.5 WPA) and the other loses (-.5 WPA). Because WPA is conservative in the sense that it is independent of the path to arrive at a certain game state, I don’t see how a team could end the season with anything other than 0.5*(Wins-Losses).

Also, I’ve thought that it would be interesting to see a stat for RPA (Run probability added). The idea would be similar: you look at the projected number of runs, based on current game state, before and after each plate appearance. The advantage is that PAs in late innings of a lopsided game would receive equal weight to a close game, which doesn’t happen under WPA.

by RoxnSox09 on Mar 11, 2010 1:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Programming note: the time I thought I had today for finishing up PR Academy is no mas...

hopefully I’ll get it done in the airport or in the hotel by Saturday. Otherwise, I’ll get it up in two weeks’ time because I’m going on Spring Break!

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by Jeff Aberle on Mar 11, 2010 10:52 AM MST reply actions  

so i could have posted today instead of wedging it in last night

Oh well, fuel for a rox girl diatribe is never a bad thing

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 11, 2010 11:37 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, a RG diatribe is always welcome...

I’m sorry that I didn’t get PRA done, but we ended up leaving for our trip (to the Caribbean) a full day earlier than I had planned (I’m posting from an Atlanta hotel). I’m sure that you’ll all be waiting with bated breath for my next revenue sharing installment—with possible updates of minor league options charts and the future salary obligation spreadsheet.

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by Jeff Aberle on Mar 11, 2010 9:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Hmm, I certainly have had the same issues

My Giants NLWR got pushed back a little. But hey, it’s Spring Break

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 15, 2010 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Any news on when we're going to do another PurP tally?

I think I may actually be qualified to participate this time.

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by WolfMarauder on Mar 11, 2010 10:59 AM MST reply actions  

I usually like to wait at least until after team assignments are official

As they’re a good indicator on where the Rockies minor league staff is ranking prospects or who might have bigger injury/downside concerns than we’re currently aware of if they get held back in extended.

by Rox Girl on Mar 11, 2010 11:03 AM MST up reply actions  

Makes sense.

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by WolfMarauder on Mar 11, 2010 11:04 AM MST up reply actions  

FWIW, Fangraphs posted top 50 NL prospects.

Friedrich at 7, Matzek at 14, Chacin at 34. In case you need more prospect lists.

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Texas Rangers Michael Young, left, is held back by Texas Rangers third base coach Dave Anderson (obscured) after being called out at third by third base umpire Alfonso Marquez, front right, to end a baseball game against the Minnesota Twins, Sunday, Sept. 5, 2010, in Minneapolis.  Rangers manager Ron Washington (wearing sunglasses) looks on. The Twins won 6-5. (AP Photo/Paul Battaglia) +1 updates

Twins Top Rangers 6-5 Thanks To Controversial Ump Decision

LOS ANGELES CA - SEPTEMBER 04:  Jamey Carroll #14 of the Los Angeles Dodgers is pulled off the bag as Darren Ford #34 of the San Francisco Giants steals second base in the eighth inning at Dodger Stadium on September 4 2010 in Los Angeles California. The Giants defeated the Dodgers 5-4.  (Photo by Jeff Gross/Getty Images) +1 updates

Dodgers' Slide Continues With 3-0 Loss To Rival Giants

BOSTON - SEPTEMBER 05: Jonathan Papelbon #58 of the Boston Red Sox heads for the dugout after he is pulled in the ninth inning against the Chicago White Sox on September 5 2010 at Fenway Park in Boston Massachusetts.  (Photo by Elsa/Getty Images)

White Sox Score Four In 9th, Hand Jonathan Papelbon His Seventh Blown Save Of 2010

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Top 30 PuRPs

  1. Christian Friedrich, LHP
  2. Jhoulys Chacin, RHP
  3. Tyler Matzek, LHP
  4. Esmil Rogers, RHP
  5. Wilin Rosario, C
  6. Hector Gomez, SS
  7. Rex Brothers, LHP
  8. Tim Wheeler, OF
  9. Samuel Deduno, RHP
  10. Eric Young, Jr., 2B/OF
  11. Michael McKenry, C
  12. Charlie Blackmon, OF
  13. Nolan Arenado, 3B
  14. Chris Balcom-Miller, RHP
  15. Juan Nicasio, RHP
  16. Chris Nelson, SS/2B
  17. Casey Weathers, RHP
  18. Chaz Roe, RHP
  19. Kiel Roling, 1B
  20. Delta Cleary, OF
  21. Matt Reynolds, LHP
  22. Jordan Pacheco, C
  23. Cole Garner, OF
  24. Eliezer Mesa, OF
  25. Ethan Hollingsworth, RHP
  26. Edgmer Escalona, RHP
  27. Scott Beerer, OF
  28. Darin Holcomb, 3B
  29. Ben Paulsen, 1B
  30. Andrew Johnston, RHP
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