Tuesday Rockpile: Ubaldo Jimenez dispenses fastballs like he would have medicine (fast and furious)
by Russ Oates on Mar 16, 2010 8:00 AM MDT
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Mar 16, 2010 8:14 AM MDT reply actions
Today would be a really good day for mlb 2k10 to arrive
As it is my 36th birthday. Impressively, the gifts-being-delivered all did arrive today, but 2k10 is what I really want, especially as my gf is off to Australia tomorrow and I’m not joining her for a week – what on earth will I do with all that time…
Hopefully you get it today...
…as that’ll give you a full week to attempt to pitch a perfect game.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Mar 16, 2010 9:11 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
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by fantasyfencing on Mar 16, 2010 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 16, 2010 9:15 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
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by fantasyfencing on Mar 16, 2010 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions
biz has yearly attendance numbers from 1901-2009
It’s interesting to compare bounces back after the different strike years.
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Everybody read that Ubaldo article from Yahoo
That was a FANTASTIC read.
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Passan is an excellent writer.
I thought the bit on his delivery was interesting, thank god they didn’t screw him up.
No one there ever bothered to point out the slight hitch in Jimenez’s delivery, where he almost launches his arm backward before bringing it into perfect firing position. The Rockies wanted to tinker with it, especially when a sore shoulder kept him out most of 2004, but Jimenez was stubborn – and, he said, pain-free since.
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great article
I would love to see him get the first no hitter for a Rockies pitcher!
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He has a decent chance at it
Good strikeout rate, his balls in play are on the ground… it could happen
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2010 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions
He has a better chance than any other Rockie ever has
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 16, 2010 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions
I think you could still make an alright case for DLR as well
if we’re fielding a Helton-Barmes-Stew-Tulo-Smith-Dex-Cargo defensive alignment, that’s gonna be able to field just about anything put into play, and his K9 is better than Ubaldo’s (but you know that)
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2010 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions
He does
But Ubalda seems to have his head on a little better than DLR does…seems smarter on the mound…and way more composed when he gets into a jam.
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well if it's a nono there probably won't be a jam
I’m just saying if you ignore their emotional, mental makeup, etc, and just look at their skillsets, stats, etc, the guys that don’t put a lot into play have a better chance of the nono, seeing how there’s that much less chance of one slipping through.
Mark Buehrle is laughing at me somewhere.
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2010 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions
but pitching a nono
is such a mental game as well…you can’t ignore their emotional/mental makeup. A batter keeps fouling off pitches…making you work for it late in the game…who would you rather have up there on the mound? DLR or Jimenez?
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For the record, I agree with both of you
DLR does have the stuff,
but
Ubaldo has the stuff and has the ace mentality. I feel like you’re less likely to see a mistake pitch caused by pressure from Ubaldo, than DLR
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by fantasyfencing on Mar 16, 2010 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
a nono is such an aberration, you can't look at it as you would just any given day
I’m not saying for a split second that DLR is a better pitcher than Ubaldo, simply that he puts fewer balls into play, thus increasing the chance of a nono.
Remember, lots of pitchers don’t even realize they’re in a nono until everybody suddenly stops talking to them.
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2010 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions
I would say that a no hitter or perfect game
Is probably about 75% luck and 25% skill. There are lots of very good pitchers who never threw a no hitter.
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by controlled_slide on Mar 16, 2010 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
I think you have that backward
75% skill and 25% luck.
It will usually have a couple of tough plays, but most are seemingly routine. Those tough ones are where the luck comes into play. A long run by a CF to get a ball that everyone thinks will drop… or someone like Stewart making a throw from his butt… something like that almost always comes into play.
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by rockieprogress on Mar 16, 2010 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions
I think there's a lot more luck than you realize
Even if a guy strikes out 10, there are 17 balls in play to be accounted for. They all have to be turned into outs, with no weak flares falling between the shortstop and the center fielder, no bleeders making their way through the infield, and any well-struck balls have to be hit right at a defender. Greg Maddux was one of the best pitchers of his generation and probably one of the 10 best ever, yet he never pitched a no hitter.
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by controlled_slide on Mar 16, 2010 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
I seen my share of no-no's
I saw Nolan Ryan pitch one. Most have only a single tough play, so the 17 balls mean nothing as anything more than a stat to create. Most GB are easily in the reach of someone, so it takes a ball up the middle of severely in the hole to create a problem, and its only a problem if the batter has speed. Positioning of the INF has a lot to do with taking the luck out of the 8-9 balls hit on the ground.
Of the FB’s, most are hit within the range of the OF. Think about CarGo or Dex going after a FB. How far do they normally run on a given play? Every now and then they have to extend their range to get to a ball (and they do that, thats why most of us don’t believe UZR is very accurate) but for the most part, they are well within their range. So of those 8-9 FB’s, now you are down to maybe 1-2 that they have to chase down.
I’ll stick by my 75% skill assessment.
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by rockieprogress on Mar 16, 2010 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions
I'd say it's about 90% luck
Because you can have all the skill in the world but you need EVERYTHING to go right. So that luck is also the fielders’ luck, the batters’ luck, the conditions, the light, the weather, etc. etc. etc.
Sure, most things will be straightforward, but there are so many variables and only one variable needs to go “wrong” and the no-hitter’s gone.
I wasn't going to go that far
But you and I essentially agree.
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by controlled_slide on Mar 16, 2010 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
I'll agree with this estimate
We’ve seen some mediocre pitchers throw no-no’s recently and Mike Mussina miss out right at the end multiple times. Throwing a major league no hitter generally takes insane amounts of luck. Matt Cain was averaging like 3 hits per start last year or something ridiculous like that, and he didn’t throw one. What does that say?
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by Hollidayrain on Mar 16, 2010 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Matt Cain averaged 7.6 H/9 last year
And allowed 3 or fewer hits in only 6 of his 33 starts. But yes, more than a few – well, I wouldn’t call them mediocre, but certainly not elite – pitchers have thrown no hitters. Mark Buehrle has 2, and while he’s very good, he’s not among the best.
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by controlled_slide on Mar 16, 2010 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
There isn't anything concrete to back this up...
but I think that the speed at which Buehrle works throws batters off quite a bit more that his actual stuff. The pitcher has to adapt to the barrage of pitches coming at him. I’d argue that Buehrle’s ability to control the speed of the game contributed about as much to the game as luck (and in the case of his perfect game last year, the defense behind him.)
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by coolopotamus on Mar 16, 2010 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions
You've got the mother of all selection bias there
Of course there’s only one tough play per no hitter. If there were lots of tough plays, they probably wouldn’t have been no hitters.
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by controlled_slide on Mar 16, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Maddux was also very reliant on the BIP
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
and having tulo on the field will help in the tuff plays
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by fiberindenver on Mar 16, 2010 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
defense is key here as well, the rockies d is top shelf
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by fiberindenver on Mar 16, 2010 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
dlr sure could, but ubaldo is still a good two or three steps ahead of dlr
He has a better groundball rate, better home rate, has says where the movement on his fastball makes it impossible to hit hard and shown much more of an ability to pitch deep into games, in part due to pitch economy.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 16, 2010 12:51 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
like I've said numerous times
it’s just loosely based on the ball-in-play rate.
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2010 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions
This
Add 9 Parts Ubaldo, 27 pinches of a weak Padres lineup, cook for 2-3 hours in a Petco Park. Add a dash of run support and heat with a hot hot win streak…
And that’s how you make Doctor Jimenez’s No-Hit Pie.
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by fantasyfencing on Mar 16, 2010 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
nice :)
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by Hollidayrain on Mar 16, 2010 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions
glad I was able to start such a lively debate!
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it's a good'un
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2010 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions
here is something else
Do you think it is more likely to happen @ Coors or on the road?
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I read it and thought
“Wait, he’s smart and he throws a hundred?”
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by controlled_slide on Mar 16, 2010 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions
I would like to marry him right now...
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ps. not really...its just fun to say
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:) it's ok
he is a heck of a guy!
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which is really ridiculous. Iannetta is a Math major. Ubaldo wanted to be a doctor. I think our batteries are the smartest in baseball.
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Foster has some more moves
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 16, 2010 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Also, today's game is indeed being broadcast on MLB.com!!
Go to the White Sox website to watch it.
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It should be here at game time:
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 16, 2010 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Awesome!
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Top 5 ST OPS (>10 AB) FWIW
Stewart 1.208
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Mora in center, The Player at DH?
That’s…confusing.
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by controlled_slide on Mar 16, 2010 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
That's....spring training!
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there's no way that's right. lol
"CarGo had to make some repairs to it. They called it a kitchen accident, but he was performing surgery. On teh lazor."
"I mean come on, you can’t be from Nebraska and go to school at CU, I think they take away your overalls or one of your last remaining teeth for that."
by Hollidayrain on Mar 16, 2010 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions
It's right.
They want Mora getting time at basically every position this ST and probably want dex to get some at bats today. ST is the time for weird lineups.
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Get him some at-bats and on base time
Without wearing him out in the field.
by Chacinisthefuture on Mar 16, 2010 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions
YOU'RE JOKING.
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2010 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions
I know, what does it take to get Smith in the starting lineup :\
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I don't even care about Smith at this point
why not just put Helton in CF? Giambi? Miguel goddamn Olivo?
You have 3 CF on the roster, and you’re playing one of them in LF, DHing another.
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2010 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions
I hate daylight savings time
Not only does it severely mess with my biological clock, I have to wait another hour in my day till Rockies play.
by Chacinisthefuture on Mar 16, 2010 12:59 PM MDT reply actions
thank you thank you thank you thank you
THANK YOU!!! I’ve been trying to explain to everyone around me why I don’t like daylight saving time…..
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PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
I'm loving it
the sun’s been out and stuff
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2010 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions
the sun is still out just a little earlier and a little later
on both ends of the clock :)
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"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
loving it
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2010 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions
It's not earlier
I’m having to wake up in the dark again, for another couple of weeks till it finally gets back to where it was
by Chacinisthefuture on Mar 16, 2010 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions
THAT part blows elephant nuts
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2010 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions
I meant on not DT
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong;
"WHAT IZ this SILLEE BATBALL GAME" - SDTF
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
I know we already have a lot of outfielders
but can we please kidnap Jason Heyward or something.
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sorry we already have Melvin Mora to play the OF
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2010 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions
You're freaking killing me RMN
Thanks Todd
by controlled_slide on Mar 16, 2010 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions
every double up the middle will hack off another limb
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2010 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Watch him make an awesome diving catch in the game
and get some starts in CF this year.
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a diving catch that Smith might've had standing up
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2010 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Web gem!
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Melvin better than Hawpe??
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"WHAT IZ this SILLEE BATBALL GAME" - SDTF
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
probably not
but sample size etc
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 16, 2010 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Okay, can I say how happy it makes me
to hear the starting lineup being announced
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong;
"WHAT IZ this SILLEE BATBALL GAME" - SDTF
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
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