Update: Huston Street to open the season on the DL
by Andrew Martin on Mar 17, 2010 9:46 AM MDT
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Troy Renck of the Denver post is reporting on the All Things Rockies blog that Closer Huston Street is experiencing the same shoulder tightness that shut him down earlier in the spring. The Rockies are preparing to start the season without him.
This is just another setback in the Rockies' bullpen, as setup man Rafael Betancourt has been fighting to get himself back to pitching shape after an offseason plagued with sickness, former closer Manuel Corpas has been challenged by fitness issues and lack of pitch command, and Franklin Morales has been hit around pretty hard this spring.
Street expressed pretty strong frustration, saying that "It would be the first time in six years I would not be ready to go [on Opening Day]." It seems like this new shoulder tightness really caught him off guard as well.
While we on the Row may not see Morales' spring as a positive thing, Renck feels that Franklin is "really starting to find his groove again". Morales filled in for Street, and I know that if Morales isn't in the mix for starting anymore, it's Closing or Bust! Morales was effective closing for Street in 2009. Heartstopping at times, but overall effective. Opponents posted a mere .580 OPS on Morales in the 9th inning, and Morales complemented that with a 2.60 K/BB.
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Boo.
Raffy had better be ready to go.
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Raffa
someone commented that “Raffy” would be something limited to like a 5 year old calling him Tio Raffy or something like that.
I’m just replying to you because you said it, but let’s all switch it up to Raffa or something else. I’m totally guilty of this, too.
Besides, Raffy is too close to Raffi, and that just can’t happen.
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 17, 2010 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
But they call Nadal "Raffa"
And every time I hear it, it just rains piss all over my tennis watching experience.
well, it seems to be a respect thing that doesn't come right across
Like if you called me Andy I’d sever one of your arms and slap you with it.
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 17, 2010 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh Andy!!!!
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 17, 2010 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions
And we all know my feelings
on being called Russell, even if that’s what it reads on my birth certificate.
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I agree. I just don’t like Nadal at all.
I think
i might pay money to see this…
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well, frakkity frak frak frak
Get well soon Huston!!!!!!
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"WHAT IZ this SILLEE BATBALL GAME" - SDTF
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I'd be Downs with some extra closer blood
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 17, 2010 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Me too, definitely,
but I’d be wary of a Hynick-Contreras type deal, for a variety of reasons: the extent of Street’s injury, Bucky coming back mid-summer, etc. He’s eligible for FA after this season, and as his ‘10 salary is already $4M, I doubt he’d be back in ’11.
That said, is it worth trading a Hynick-type talent for Downs, and whose roster spot does he take when Street is ready?
a AAAA pitcher? hell yeah
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 17, 2010 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
I was thinking more that Hynick had the potential to be a useful low-cost, cost-controlled bullpen piece.
But if Street’s down long-term, and Downs is going to close for a significant portion of the season, it’s absolutely worth it.
a bullpen with Downs, Street, Raffa, Buchholz, Morales - that's hawt
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 17, 2010 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Which AAAA pitcher are you speaking of?
Damian Moss isn’t getting that deal done
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 17, 2010 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm just saying that Hynick was AAAA talent
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 17, 2010 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't want to see him go...
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Ubaldomania.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Mar 17, 2010 9:55 AM MDT reply actions
Feels like Francis All over again...
My question is, why don’t players get MRI’s at the first hint of something being wrong? Is the test dangerous? They certainly have the resources.
If he gets it the first time around, he’s a month ahead of the game in recovery.
by Jeff Francis Day on Mar 17, 2010 9:56 AM MDT reply actions
This was only over the course of a couple weeks
not months like Francis.
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Also it's ST and a little tightness here and there is expected at first
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Right, but why not be extra cautious and find out for sure after shutting it down the first time?
Francis injury started like this, but he took over six months to finally get MRI I believe. Obviously hope I’m wrong. A missed month won’t hurt him…but unknown shoulder stuff, no matter how harmless it seems, is never good. See Brandon Webb.
by Jeff Francis Day on Mar 17, 2010 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
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by phishbate on Mar 17, 2010 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
So
Morales
Betancourt
Deduno?
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Mar 17, 2010 10:02 AM MDT reply actions
I hear Mora has a good breaking ball.
We should give him a shot.
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Wasn't it said
that he would get a shot at every position except catcher? Mora to the bullpen!!!!
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I'm still interested in seeing Chacin
get another chance, w/ the hopes of being a starter eventually, or even Reynolds.
Beat Ohio St!
Agreed - if Matt Reynolds is still impressing, still improving, AND has closed regularly, then he should be a serious consideration.
Or did you mean Greg?
I definitely meant Matt
and I was thinking more of those 2 being in the BP, not closing though.
Beat Ohio St!
Agree on Chacin
Sometimes it’s best to go with the most raw talent and catch lightning in a bottle, like Corpas in ’07.
When Street’s ready, Chacin’s development can go on as normal. Hopefully a successful stint will have improved his mettle and command.
I'd go with Morales
If Betancourt isn’t up to speed in time. As scary as it is, at least he has experience closing, so he won’t be thrown into it randomly.
Caution: Colorado teams are better than they appear.
by ShadowPenguin on Mar 17, 2010 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions
where did i put that 'Daley for Closer' sign.
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by Charlie77 on Mar 17, 2010 12:07 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Greg Reynolds foar clozer plz
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 17, 2010 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions
just saw someone
on FB say we should have offered more money to Gagne…
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HAW
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 17, 2010 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
"OH HUSTON'S OUT AND THAT MEANS CORPAS WILL HAVE TO CLOSE AND THERE GOES OUR SEASON!!!
OH GOD THIS IS HORRIBLE!!!!!!!"
like that?
This is R year!
by prettyinpurple on Mar 17, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
more or less yea
but then calling out the front office for making stupid moves or something
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 17, 2010 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
STOOPID MONFURTS SHULD HAV TRAIDED FER CLIFF LEE TOO CLOZER
Caution: Colorado teams are better than they appear.
by ShadowPenguin on Mar 17, 2010 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Awwwww, mannnnnnnn.
Get well soon, Huston!
This is R year!
by prettyinpurple on Mar 17, 2010 10:40 AM MDT reply actions
Gotta say, I was afraid of this happening. Tracy ran Street ragged in September and October once he got back from the DL. And it was clear that Huston wasn’t the same guy once the NLDS came around. Here’s hoping this isn’t a significant residual effect of overuse, and that we get our Super Street 16 back very soon, because Morales as closer is like the Shawn Chacon Experience with better results, yet more indigestion.
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Yes, get well soon
The answer is easy…our boys simply take five run leads into every 9th inning. See? Baseball’s an easy game.
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Hmm, well it could work that way.
I’m recalling a game I was at last Sept vs SD where the Rox had a huge lead, and Morales nearly blew it.
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by prettyinpurple on Mar 17, 2010 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
I like the sound of this plan.
Quick, call Tracy and tell him. I’m not sure this course of action has occurred to him yet.
boo not a good start to the season
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in that WS prediction for sure. The pen doesn’t look so good with all the injuries, but the season is long, and the Rockies are a team that can get hot for a month at a time. I don’t know how they do it, seriously. They go on 10-11 game win streaks. LAD hasn’t done that in years if my memory serves me correctly.
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Well this news sucks
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Mar 17, 2010 1:42 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
TWSS?
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong;
"WHAT IZ this SILLEE BATBALL GAME" - SDTF
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
So now Tracy says, regardless of where Betancourt is injury-wise
he won’t use him as the closer, he’ll keep in the 8th. Yes, he was brought in to be a setup guy but is the man so fragile he can’t handle the pressure of the 9th better than Morales or Corpas? I am not amused.
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I think he intends to use Morales as a spot guy
so he doesn’t want to alter Betancourt’s role? Probably better not to have all of the pieces moving at once. I’m not keen on second guessing, as most seem to respect how he handles the pen.
I believe in a risen Francis
That does seem to be the reasoning, don't move everyone around.
But is it really such a horrible idea to have your best relief pitcher in the 9th, second best in the 8th? If Betancourt can successfully hold in the 8th who cares if Morales/Corpas has a mental breakdown and blows it in the 9th.
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the 9th might not be when you need your best pitcher
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 17, 2010 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions
But if you're going to assign an inning to the best pitcher in the bullpen
I would not choose the 8th over the 9th.
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I would assign the inning with the best hitters
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 17, 2010 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Tracy isn't doing that. He's assigning Betancourt (if ready to go) to the 8th regardless.
I’d just prefer him in the 9th if Tracy want to assign him an inning.
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I would assign the inning with the best hitters
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 18, 2010 5:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Wasn't Betancourt
a disaster in his closer opportunity in Cleveland? Perhaps its a job he has stated he does not want.
In any case, still several weeks to let things fall into place, but I’m concerned that our training staff and/or Street himself have not done a good job this offseason in getting his situation resolved (and perhaps they did all they could, I obviously don’t know). I do know that this team is better with him healthy and rolling out for the 9th, and hopefully he gets well soon.
Betancourt has a track record of being a poor closer
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 17, 2010 6:22 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm interested to hear what Jabbs would have to say about this
I could be getting this wrong but I think he believes that
1) Bullpen roles such as the closer and setup man are both overrated and overpaid
2) No player has the “skill” of being clutch.
Knowing this I wonder if he would just want Betancourt in the closer role.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Mar 17, 2010 6:36 PM MDT up reply actions
given those assumptions
i would assume he wouldnt want any roles, right? each game situation dictates who to pitch? I disagree with the propositions listed but I’m interested to see someone, sometime, try the “no roles” plan. I doubt we will anytime soon.
The 2003 Red Sox were probably the closest thing to it and they got to within 5 outs of a World Series
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Mar 17, 2010 7:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Try them ALL out now in Spring Training. Any close games. Put them in.
Even better, put them in with men on. See how they all handle it. Could also do this the first month of regular games. We’re used to coming from behind anyway. Maybe someone will surprise us.
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by Kittiesroxursox on Mar 17, 2010 7:48 PM MDT reply actions
This isn't great
I reported two days ago that he threw a simulated game. Talking to him afterward he was rubbing his shoulder and stretching it while signing a few autographs (great guy). He said he didn’t feel great right then but he would have to wait and see. Apparently the pain didn’t go away. He also mentioned he hates the cold weather, but playing in Colorado he will get used to it. Get better Huston, we need you.
As for a replacement: I think Corpas will be given the top shot at it with Betancourt (if healthy enough) to be the 8th inning guy. Daley and Morales will be in the 7th. I’m not too worried right now but if Betancourt doesn’t get better things look a little bit more scattered.
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Another thought
Joe Beimel is still available. We should add him to the bullpen.
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It could be worse...
They could panic and get Looper off the scrap heap
they're already looking at juan cruz and joe beimel to at least fill in the bullpen
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 18, 2010 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions
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