Thursday Rockpile: No Irish luck for Rockies, bullpen shenanigans mean Redding likely headed to relief role, Beimel may be back
by Rox Girl on Mar 18, 2010 7:51 AM MDT
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Troy Renck let Jim Tracy interview himself about Tim Redding:
"Right now, are there possibilities where he could make this club out of spring training as a bullpen member? Very definitely, that's a possibility," said Tracy. "Is it a guarantee? I didn't tell him it was a guarantee. But by the same token, I also told him that, if all five guys are healthy when we come out, the thought of him coming out as a starter, the chances of that weren't very good at all. No good at all."
In the wake of injuries elsewhere in the bullpen, notably closer Huston Street, Redding will likely be shifted to bullpen work this week. I know some here were probably rather looking for a return of Justin Speier, which I suppose remains a possibility, but it seems to me the Redding scenario is more likely, esecially in the wake of Tracy's commentary.
The Renck post talks about the mounting issues the Rockies are facing in the pen, with left hander Randy Flores being the latest casualty after a line drive hit him on his pitching arm during yesterday's game. The post doesn't really delve into what happens if the injury is not a minor one, but given Jimmy Gobble's already on the shelf, our left handed relief options would basically boil down to Matt Reynolds and pushing Greg Smith into the bullpen as well.
This would be why the Rockies are apparently now finally interested in bringing back Joe Beimel.
Seeing as we're after the midpoint in March with Street's shoulder woes and haven't seen any real improvement, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it's time to consider a lost season from him as a strong possibility, if not the most likely outcome at this point (at least in an article recapping all the bullpen news, we learn that Rafael Betancourt appears to be progressing still). This means that those of you with strong anti-Franklin Morales feelings better start reconciling yourselves to the idea that he will be the Rockies closer for most of this year.
In interest of timeliness for this post, I'm not going to delve into the numbers as to why this is the case. For that, you could probably go into one of those more cerebral Rockies sites, like ESPN or the MLB.com message boards. Instead, I'm probably just going to post something that will please our corporate sponsors and make me lots of money. Does anybody have pictures of players' wives they'd like to post?
By the way, I'm kidding. I'm clearly in a touchy mood today. Don't post pictures of players wives, or I'll ban you like all these spammers we've been dealing with lately.
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Argh Rox Girl
You totally jinked us with that “nah nah nah” post about Jurrjeans shoulder. And he’s even pitching!
Yeah, like I said then, it was bound to happen at some point anyway,
But at least of all our “irreplaceable” type of players, Street is the most likely to be replaceable. Morales really does have the capability of being a shutdown closer, let’s just hope Apodaca and the team shrink can help make it happen.
I doubt it
Those insurance policies are player-specific and very expensive. Even if an insurer had been willing to write a policy on the arm of a closer with a recent history of some arm trouble, I seriously doubt the Rockies would’ve put up the cash for a premium.
Player insurance is pretty much limited to “franchise players,” I think, and it’s fairly rare for them due to some big losses in prior years. I remember the Astros insured Jeff Bagwell several years ago & had a helluva time trying to collect on it, because he was available for very-limited duty. If Street does go down for the year, my guess is that the Rockies will eat the contract money.
New decade, new result: time for a Rockies' division championship.
Redding? Really?
That’s the answer to Street on the DL? le sigh
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It helps if you think about it as Redding's the answer to losing Matt Belisle from his low leverage role
And that Belisle is becoming more a go-to guy this season, with Morales becoming the closer.
That doesn't make me feel better.
I hope Redding proves me wrong (if he’s makes the club) but I’d prefer one of the kids to fill in.
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I can't believe he's still available.
And why haven’t the Rockies already signed him? He pitched well for us last year, and he’s got a decent career. I feel much better about him than about Redding.
I'm on the Beimel bandwagon
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong;
"WHAT IZ this SILLEE BATBALL GAME" - SDTF
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
Give the man anything he wants!
You know what you are going to get with Beimel. We need that stability with the question marks in our bullpen right now. Plus the guy can pitch to lefties and righties, he’s a stud.
This guy starts me off with a breaking ball...
l'm taking him downtown.
He pitches horribly to righties.
That said I’d love to see him back. He’s probably been asking too much though.
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he did have better splits against lefties in 2009 but he didn't get burned by righties either
indicated by his .741 OPS vs righties compared to .781 against lefties. Not great overall but at 32 years old it’s possible he could bounce back to his dodger form.
This guy starts me off with a breaking ball...
l'm taking him downtown.
And we'll get to see the
Purple Bathrobe of Glory
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong;
"WHAT IZ this SILLEE BATBALL GAME" - SDTF
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
I don't agree that we hould give him anything he wants. Our payroll is already tight.
I think we should offer him $500,000 or so more than the Mets did, and give him a call and say “Look Joe, we’re offering you more money than anybody else wants to pay you this year. You liked your time here, you did pretty well, we have a role waiting for you should you choose to accept.” If Beimel still doesn’t accept an offer like that, I don’t think he’s worth signing back anyway.
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 18, 2010 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions
I think you're right
I think they have a number in mind and will find someone at that number
I believe in a risen Francis
I hope he'd take that.
Does anyone know what other teams are offering him?
This is R year!
by prettyinpurple on Mar 18, 2010 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm wondering why Beimel would come back
did we offer him a contract at all after last season?
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong;
"WHAT IZ this SILLEE BATBALL GAME" - SDTF
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
He would come back so he could get paid money to pitch baseballs
Thanks Todd
by controlled_slide on Mar 18, 2010 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
I'd like to think so..but
if we didn’t make him an offer at all, wondering why he would want to come back…
but I get your point
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong;
"WHAT IZ this SILLEE BATBALL GAME" - SDTF
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
Because nobody else is offering the money he wants.
He’s not holding a grudge against us.
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 18, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
that's what I was getting at
good to know..
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong;
"WHAT IZ this SILLEE BATBALL GAME" - SDTF
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
But why wouldn't he?
I seriously doubt any bridges were burned. As they say, baseball is a business, and relievers (more so than any other position) are very familiar with that. Bullpens change pitchers so often, it’s just a part of the game.
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by ShadowPenguin on Mar 18, 2010 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
right, this makes sense..I was just wondering
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong;
"WHAT IZ this SILLEE BATBALL GAME" - SDTF
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
Besides
He should want to come back, he already has the robe!
Caution: Colorado teams are better than they appear.
by ShadowPenguin on Mar 18, 2010 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm sure we did not make him an offer.
I remember reading he said he would like to come back, that he liked it here.
That was a few months ago.
This is R year!
by prettyinpurple on Mar 18, 2010 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
This is so funny...
Just yesterday I picked up Beimel on the free agent market in my franchise game on The Show. 2 yr/1.36 mil.
I had to send down flores, cause hes awful.
Counting Colorado Tacos since 2006!
by fantasyfencing on Mar 18, 2010 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
Thanks for the awesome photo caption by the way.
The thought of Street being out for any significant amount of time in 2010 makes me quite nauseous.
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But the bullpen
is Strittmatter’s domain. He rules what happens there.
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
Hey,maybe this is premature but
what do we think of signing Smoltz to close?
His HR rate was a little high last season which helped inflate his numbers but 1. I think it’d regress and 2. Apodaca seems to help lower HR rate. Also his BABIP was a .364 and his LOB% was at 60%.
Though it’s definitely questionable whether our insurance for an injury prone closer should be a 43 year old…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
if its not a lot of money..why not!
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong;
"WHAT IZ this SILLEE BATBALL GAME" - SDTF
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
I'd guess he wants around $5M or so.
At a cost in that region I’d prefer a pitcher who you trust can make it through an entire season.
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I'd pass
I think Smoltz is just about done
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Mar 18, 2010 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions
I think I saw last night that Smoltz is joining the MLB Network
Even if he’s not officially done, I think he’s done.
Yeah
but only if he can’t get a job pitching.
I keep trying to reset my password to "penis", but it keeps telling me "too short".
by DbacksSkins on Mar 18, 2010 11:04 PM MDT up reply actions
How far away is Weathers?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but he’s one of our few pitching prospects who has been targeted as a closer all along. Renck said yesterday that he wasn’t in big league camp, but could move up rapidly. Is he someone that could be a closer in the majors, and could he do it this year?
He's still recovering from TJ surgery and from what's been reporting he's doing fine.
He wasn’t even invited to camp though so I doubt they’d be comfortable enough to have him closing in the majors any time soon. It’s probably possible that he finds his way to club at some point in the year but it seems early to toss him into closing.
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Someone let me know if I'm off here
but I think both Buccholz and Weathers are expected back around the middle of the season. However Weathers has never proven himself at the major league level and only has 44 innings at AA – I wouldn’t expect much out of him until 2011…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
OK, thanks.
I wasn’t sure where he was at before the operation. Does he still — or did he ever — project as a closer in the majors?
Potential closer.
Most relievers drafted that high in the draft are closer candidates (see Rex Brothers). But that doesn’t mean he necessarily projects that way now. He’s had a rough past couple years, and is going to be buried in rust for some time.
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 18, 2010 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions
This sounds right to me
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
Good news everybody!
Tracy might prefer Corpas to close!
Manager Jim Tracy may prefer Corpas and his 7.11 ERA to Franklin Morales’(notes) 11.42 mark if the season were to start today
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ugh...
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong;
"WHAT IZ this SILLEE BATBALL GAME" - SDTF
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
sooo
how long is Street supposed to be out….?
"This is a great commitment for both the organization and me. Potentially it allows us to continue to put a championship caliber club on the field and allows me the opportunity to finish my career as a Colorado Rockie. Because I am a Rockie." -- Todd Helton
Right now it's "who the hell knows"
hopefully just a couple weeks but they don’t seem to have any real idea yet. The MRI will probably help gauge what’s wrong at least.
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The way things are going...
the next announcement will probably be along the lines of bringing back Jorge Julio as the closer.
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Ubaldomania.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Mar 18, 2010 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
-1
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
yeah and Scott Hairston is back in the division now
I wonder if Sam’s Club gives you discounts on bulk antacids.
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by Silverblood on Mar 18, 2010 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Hey, he's a free agent.
So is Luis Vizcaino, Alan Embree, Glendon Rusch and Mike Hampton. Let’s make something happen.
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by phishbate on Mar 18, 2010 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
-17
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong;
"WHAT IZ this SILLEE BATBALL GAME" - SDTF
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
terrible thoughts terrible terrible thoughts
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
nooo
TULO = 2010 MVP!
Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
LETS GO WINGS!
by TuLoRocks2008 on Mar 18, 2010 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
"Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona." - George F. Will
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Mar 18, 2010 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Does anybody know
what Brent Mayne is doing these days??
by Junction Rox on Mar 18, 2010 6:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Not Corpas, please
In order, I’d prefer trying as closer:
1. Morales
2. Belisle
3. Any minor league pitcher in the Rockies’ system other than Matzek
who can throw 94 mph, if we have any. Remember that Adam Wainwright
broke into the big leagues as a starter-turned-emergency-closer. Doing
temp. duty as a fil-in closer doesn’t mean a pitcher’s possible career
as a starter is over.
I hope I’m wrong, but I think Corpas is done.
New decade, new result: time for a Rockies' division championship.
I'd prefer Corpas to Belisle.
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 18, 2010 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Disagree
Corpas has sucked for two solid years now.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Mar 18, 2010 5:20 PM MDT up reply actions
And yet Matt Belisle's last two years were even worse.
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 18, 2010 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes
But he has shown signs that he is moving in the right direction and was actually pretty good at the end of last year.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Mar 18, 2010 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't think 1 month of baseball play six months ago counts for an ounce of positive expectations for Belisle.
Fact is, I don’t trust either Belisle or Corpas, but Corpas has better stuff, more experience with the role. To me, he is clearly a better choice (though of course I maintain Morales is better than both).
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 18, 2010 5:45 PM MDT up reply actions
For me it's about the direction they are both moving in though
Corpas was bad all of last year when he pitched and then went on the DL with bone chips. I think this makes him a complete wild card and I really have no expectations for him.
Belisle really seemed to reinvent himself after being sent to the minors last summer. When he came back he did not walk a single batter he faced. I know it’s a small sample size but if you pit consistenly for a month and don’t walk anybody that tells me you took a pretty huge step in the right direction.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Mar 18, 2010 5:59 PM MDT up reply actions
"I think this makes him a complete wild card and I really have no expectations for him."
I agree. I simply have the exact same stance on Belisle. Considering 2009 evidence a wash, looking back farther over their careers, I take Corpas.
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 18, 2010 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Before last September I would have agreed with you
I just think Belisle may have turned some kind of corner. The Rockies have had a lot success doing that with pitchers lately.
I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Mar 18, 2010 6:23 PM MDT up reply actions
I think Belisle
is a solid option if your team is trying to get a really high pick in the 2010 draft
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Rox looking at Juan Cruz now too.
Cruz’s strikeout rate disappeared as he dealt with a shoulder strain.
Sounds like a plan.
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Ugh
Just get better Huston. Please.
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by Silverblood on Mar 18, 2010 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions
this..I'm pretty sure Huston agrees with our sentiments
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong;
"WHAT IZ this SILLEE BATBALL GAME" - SDTF
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
yeah
sitting in the Asheville airport with nothing to do except picture awful closer scenarios.
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by Silverblood on Mar 18, 2010 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions
So I have a question. What prompted you to want to move to Asheville?
Was it only the job potential with the Rockies or do you just like the area in general?
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Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong;
"WHAT IZ this SILLEE BATBALL GAME" - SDTF
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
a lot of factors
just got to spend 3 days here and was glad to see that I liked it every bit as much as I thought I would. Having an expert contact in the area made it SO much easier too. A lot of stuff still to worry about, but some good leads.
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by Silverblood on Mar 18, 2010 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
that's great! I hope it all works out the way you are hoping
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong;
"WHAT IZ this SILLEE BATBALL GAME" - SDTF
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
It's obviously just a giant change and a lot of work
trying to get my post-college life off the ground. But I am hopeful.
"This is a great commitment for both the organization and me. Potentially it allows us to continue to put a championship caliber club on the field and allows me the opportunity to finish my career as a Colorado Rockie. Because I am a Rockie." -- Todd Helton
by Silverblood on Mar 18, 2010 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
I understand all about giant changes
but you are living the dream!! Or at least trying:) A lot of people wouldn’t even try.
Good on you!
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong;
"WHAT IZ this SILLEE BATBALL GAME" - SDTF
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
We should all send him a Get Well card.
This is R year!
by prettyinpurple on Mar 18, 2010 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions
when are they going to post the results of the MRI?
Morales has great stuff. Good enough to be a closer, but he doesn’t have the mentality of a closer. He can’t handle pressure. If blows one opportunity it seems to snowball into a month long slump.
I don't think it's that simple.
We’ve seen Morales handle pressure a lot. Sometimes, he just forgets how. I’m not ready to sign off Morales as a guaranteed meltdown every time he gets in a tough spot.
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 18, 2010 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Agreed
It’s easy to remember meltdowns, but as pointed out by Renck in his closer article, Frankie converted all 7 of the save opportunities he had in Sept last year. I think he should fill in nicely as long as we need him to.
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by ShadowPenguin on Mar 18, 2010 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions
You have to admit that is a huge part of the position though
you want the guy who is least likely to buckle in there and he seems like the most likely.
by BringItHome on Mar 18, 2010 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions
I COMPLETELY disagree.
In fact, I think he is actually the only MLB reliever in the organization other than Corpas who can handle it at all, and he’s handles it more recently than Corpas.
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 18, 2010 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
(I am speaking as if Street and Betancourt are on the DL)
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 18, 2010 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
his command is shaky as is
and anytime you add pressure on him it seems to get worse. He walked the bases loaded on more than one occasion last year. You really think that’s closer material?
by BringItHome on Mar 18, 2010 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Morales’ appearances last season
You’re cherry picking a few select occasions to reinforce your perception. Overall, looking at his appearances last year, he held his own in pressure situations, and picked up the 7 saves we asked him to. Yes, he had a couple meltdowns, but 3 meltdowns out of 40 appearances? I can handle that if he converts 37 out of 40 saves.
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by ShadowPenguin on Mar 18, 2010 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions
ok you're coming out and predicting Morales will save 37 of 40?
I will take a bet against that any day! Those are elite numbers which he does not have the game for. I like Morales as a middle of the pen and lefty specialist but not as someone who has the game on the line and has to be counted on.
by BringItHome on Mar 18, 2010 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Morales would be wasted if we used him as a lefty specialist..
Also, hopefully Morales doesn’t even get a chance to have 40 save opportunities.
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 18, 2010 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
late in the game lefty specialist would not be a waste at all
I think he is more wasted as a closer. He is held out when he would be really effective and put in when he is most likely to buckle. You may be right that he is the best 3rd choice for closer IF he can throw strikes under pressure. I just don’t believe he can be counted on for that. We would have been better off securing Gregg or Capps.
by BringItHome on Mar 18, 2010 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions
I think you underestimate him incredibly, and am inclined to agree with ShadowPenguin that you're doing some cherry picking.
Don’t get me wrong, Morales is not somebody that I’d want closing if the circumstances were different and we had a healthy Street, but the pitcher you’re describing is not Franklin Morales the every day pitchers, just Franklin Morales the too regularly imperfect. Morales had some troubles last year, but he was just fine most of the time.
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 18, 2010 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm not cherry picking
it’s been common knowledge his whole career that he has severe command issues at times and when he comes off the rails he over throws the ball and can’t get back on track. That is best exemplified by the pattern that showed up for the last several games of 09. If you want to call that cherry picking fine. I hope that is not the case this year. In fact I hope you get to say ‘I told you so’. I am rooting him for be as good as we know he can especially since we now probably have no choice but to go with him.
by BringItHome on Mar 18, 2010 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree with WM. Morales pitched well except for a few high profile instances.
But he also has great stuff. A lefty with upper 90’s fastball and nasty off speed pitch is tough to hit. He does sometimes struggle with control, but sometimes his control is great. I think with more experience he will tend toward greater consistency and control.
I think it's better closer material than anyone else who could fill in.
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 18, 2010 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Er, I'd have Morales over Corpas.
Maybe Morales doesn’t handle pressure well, but he pitches better in the closer role than Corpas.
This is R year!
by prettyinpurple on Mar 18, 2010 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Based on what i've seen the past year.
This is R year!
by prettyinpurple on Mar 18, 2010 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
"For that, you could probably go into one of those more cerebral Rockies sites, like ESPN or the MLB.com message boards"
Wahahahaha. <3
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Looking at the schedule,
I think we have an advantage over last year. We have 12 of our first 22 games at home, which is much different than last year, and most of those April teams do not feature explosive offenses. This bodes well given our closer uncertainty; a strong offensive team is more likely to cause a blown save than a team like the Nationals or Padres. Hopefully the Rockies will be able to get the bullpen settled down and develop some momentum early on.
We also avoid major NL West play until May.
An early meltdown wouldn’t set us as far behind.
Of course, this has its own disadvantage. Last year, we had the easiest end of season schedule of all the Wild Card competitors last year. This year, that will probably not be the case.
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 18, 2010 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
The Braves
had a really easy end of season schedule playing the Nats 10 times in two weeks.
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JFK
Huh, I hadn't looked at the schedule until you mentioned this
Our entire Sept is against the west, except for a 4 game set against the Reds, then a 3 game series against the Cards to finish the regular season. Half of August is against the west as well.
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by ShadowPenguin on Mar 18, 2010 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, I just think that with our current bullpen problems it is very fortunate to have an easy April schedule.
I’m assuming that the bullpen will eventually get straightened out. If it doesn’t, we probably won’t be leading the division at the end of the season anyway. But playing teams with weaker offenses will make it easier to protect a lead in late innings, so we should be able to maintain success until Street is back or other reinforcements arrive.
Easy or not
April has been a “killer month” for the Rockies in recent years. Other than Sept., I think April is the worst month for them to be without a reliable closer.
New decade, new result: time for a Rockies' division championship.
You could also, though, sign April off as the most likely to suffer to begin with, and make the case that being closerless in a month we're more likely to succeed is a bigger issue.
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 18, 2010 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
If Tulo gets his hitting together in April, and the offense gets going, we'll be okay.
This is R year!
by prettyinpurple on Mar 18, 2010 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Just for the sake of discussion
what if Tulo turns cold, would you rather it be at the beginning middle or end of the season….?
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Hmmm...
The middle, maybe after the all-star break. Because maybe then he’d get selected to the AS game ;-)
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by ShadowPenguin on Mar 18, 2010 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
They are getting closer ;-)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Mar 18, 2010 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions
True.
Maybe Upton and Special K will bring victory to the NL this year.
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 18, 2010 11:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Without hesitation I'd pick the begining
He’s done that twice already and the Rockies made the playoffs both times. (He sort of did it in 08 too but I threw that year out because he missed so much time)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Mar 18, 2010 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions
We do end with 16 of our last 26 at home though
So that shold be helpful.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Mar 18, 2010 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Even though I prefer Morales in the closer role from initial analysis, I would be okay with giving Corpas the job if he earns it.
Neither Morales nor Corpas has had a great Spring, but both took steps forward in their last outing.
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by frightenedinmate#2 on Mar 18, 2010 11:59 AM MDT reply actions
Maybe they should have looked for a tweet from Dexter Flowers
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I'm surprised with all the struggles of the bullpen so far, nobody's mentioned Daley as a closer candidate
He’s not up there stuff wise with Morales but he has command and he can strike people out.
I’m presuming we’re missing Flores, Betancourt, and Street by the start of the year. I like signing Beimel to replace Morales’ spot in the pen, and letting two of Deduno, Reynolds, and Redding finding the other three spots. If Flores is out, I don’t think he’ll be gone for long and I think it’s likely we let Reynolds go take his shot like Daley. Obviously Redding has the upper leg on Deduno, but I really think it’s important we get a groundball artist in the pen along with Corpas who has the ability to pull something like Wainwright. Then again, it’s important to a spot starter on the staff, but did we really get anything out of Fogg last year? Our starting rotation is good enough not to need a long reliever.
Impossible not to have positive thoughts.
I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.
Also we would need to make space for Redding on the 40 man
While Deduno is already on it.
Impossible not to have positive thoughts.
I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.
by bballrox4717 on Mar 18, 2010 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions
no staff is good enough to not have a long reliever
Also Daley is a great strike thrower but he gives up way too many fly balls to be a closer. With him there is always a higher percentage chance of the opposing team tying it with one swing.
by BringItHome on Mar 18, 2010 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
True very true
But if the game was lost, I really wouldn’t be opposed to letting Deduno pitch 3 or 4 innings to learn…..
Impossible not to have positive thoughts.
I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.
by bballrox4717 on Mar 18, 2010 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Wasn't Huston Street in the same category as Daley there
Before he was awesome with us? Their HR/9 are very similar, and before 2009, his groundball rate was just as low as Daley’s…..
Impossible not to have positive thoughts.
I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.
by bballrox4717 on Mar 18, 2010 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Not on board with Daley as a closer.
He’s not got the stuff in my opinion. Even if he does, he certainly hasn’t spent any time developing the mentality. As far as I can tell, he’s never been a regular closer at any level in his career. He did some temporary closer work for Modesto in 2006. That’s it.
It’s too early co call the cards on Flores and Betancourt, especially Flores. Betancourt expects to get into games next week, and I’m seeing that as being on track to start the season active, and working every other game at best. Worst case scenario (barring a re-aggravation like Street’s), he starts the season on the 15 day DL and is activate on Day 1 he is eligible. The seriousness Flores’ contusion is still not determined, but it could very easily be a quick heal.
On board completely with signing Beimel regardless of Flores’ condition. He can be the 7th BP member with Street absent, and I’d take him over Speier/Redding/Rincon.
I see no reason to mess with the prospect folk like Deduno at this time. I’d rather have Speier added (which won’t be difficult; Buchholz will be going on the 60 Day DL, freeing a spot). Reynolds (I assume you mean Matt) goes up a little higher on the depth chart because he’s a lefty, but will only be considered if Flores has to be dropped, Gobble doesn’t heal, AND we don’t sign Beimel.
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 18, 2010 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Out of curiosity, what goes into putting someone on the 40-man roster?
What I really mean is: what goes into taking someone off the 40-man? Apart from protection from the Rule 5 draft, what is the reason for having a guy like Samuel Deduno or Chris Nelson on the roster now? I count 33 currently on the 40 man roster, so I guess nobody would have to be removed if Redding or Beimel were placed on the active roster.
There are 33 opn the ACTIVE roster.
40 man roster is full.
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 18, 2010 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh.
So is it easy to remove someone from the 40-man? It seems like Roe and Albequerque and perhaps others aren’t likely to be needed on the active roster any time soon. Plus, we’re obviously going to need some guys that aren’t currently on there.
THe roster is very complicated. I'll do my best to give a quick explanation below. After reading that, if you still have questions, ask me...
… or go and find one of Jabberwocky/Jeff Aberle’s wonderful articles on roster moves.
So, here’s my quick explanation:
The MLB roster is divided at all times into two separate rosters:
1. The 40 man roster.
- This roster contains every player in the organization that is officially a member of the MLB team.
2. The active roster (also known regularly as the 25-man roster)
- This roster contains every active player who can participate in a given major league game. This roster can contain 25 players at most from opening day of the season to August 30th. From September 1st to before the next season, every player on the 40 man roster can also be on the active roster.
In other words, we currently have a 40 man roster of 40 people. By opening day, that needs to be narrowed down to 25 for the active roster. We are currently at 33, meaning that by opening day, 8 other players will be removed from the active roster (but not necessarily the 40 man roster).
There are seven ways to remove a player from the active roster.
1. Release.
- This should be obvious. The player is immediately removed from the roster, and becomes a free agent. Any contract money that he was guaranteed is still owed to the player, until he signs with another team, when some of the money owed changes hands (though the original team is left on the hook for most of it).
2. Designation for assignment.
- This is an immediate removal from the roster. The player designated for assignment remains in the organization for ten days, giving the team some time to decide what to do with him. The player can be released (see above), waived, traded, or outrighted (see below).
3. Waivers.
- Players can be placed on the waiver wire at any time. Different kinds of waivers have different kinds of rules, but I won’t get into that here. A player claimed off waivers is immediately taken off the 40 man roster, and placed on the claiming team’s 40 man roster.
4. Trades.
- Again obvious. A player changes rosters via trade.
5. Outright.
- A player can be outrighted off the 40 man roster once during his career. If it happens again, any player, regardless of service time, may choose to become a free agent. Any player who is outrighted but chooses to stay with the organization must clear waivers first. If they do, they are placed back into the minor league system off-roster.
6. Disabled/restricted/bereavement lists.
Players with certain conditions (injuries, suspensions, emergencies) can be granted special conditions on these lists. These players stay with the organization, but do not count towards the active roster. They do, however (with the exception of the 60 day disabled list) count against the 40 man roster.
7. Optional assignment.
All MLB players are given 3-4 option years (usually 3) at the beginning of their addition to the MLB roster. What that means is that for 3 years, a player can be sent without consequences into the minor league system on optional assignment. This is what the Rockies did earlier this week to narrow our 40 man roster to 44.
Al Alburquerque, Edgmer Escalona, Juan Nicasio, Michael McKenry, and Chaz Roe were all optioned for the first time, making 2010 their first option year (meaning they can also be optioned down in at least 2011 and 2012 as well). Shane Lindsay and Hector Gomez were optioned down for the second time, meaning that they can also be optioned down at least in 2011.
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 18, 2010 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions
One clarification:
Post-season rosters must be 25 people, despite being during the 40 man active period.
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 18, 2010 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions
to 33, not 44
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 18, 2010 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions
So, if I understand correctly,
in order to make room for Redding or Beimel, someone would have to be removed from the 40 man roster. This would probably involve an outright move, because being optioned removes a player from the active roster but not the 40 man roster. Did I miss anything? I guess if Buccholz is placed on the 60-day DL that would help too.
Moving Buchholz to the 60 Day is the easiet move we can make to free up a spot.
If we need to make more, we’ll probably starting letting some youngsters get claimed off waivers as we did in previous years (Joe Koshansky, Jeff Salazar, etc.)
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 18, 2010 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Wow this sucks.. No Street OR Raffy to start the season, I presume.
Or Flores. We need to sign Beimel.
Also, I’d like to add that I think Belisle is a straight up stud. He’s been NAILS ever since being sent down to AAA last season. I’m rooting hard for him this season.
I'm not a huge fan of Beimel.
It didn’t seem like he fit here. Problem is I’m not sure who else we could realistically get either.
Beimel's better than Flores
I still never understood that move.
Impossible not to have positive thoughts.
I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.
by bballrox4717 on Mar 18, 2010 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions
You're right there.
Just saying I would prefer someone else (and not Flores either), but at this point we have to get what we can get.
The biggest issue with Morales is that he is judged so much by when he falls apart (and I am as guilty of this as anyone). He’s much better than that, but he has such spectacular failures at times that it’s all we can think about. He was a big part of our playoff run in those 7 saves in Sept. last season. Nobody can deny that. He is good enough, he just needs to believe in himself more and get rid of the overly emotional aspects.
If the Rockies never traded anyone they originally signed
They would have won the division in 2009.
With 108 wins no less. Mariners would have had the second most wins with 107.
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Interesting premise
I’m guessing that means that the Rockies having Chone Figgins and Matt Holliday would have put them up a lot. Anyone else they would have had?
Thanks Todd
by controlled_slide on Mar 18, 2010 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions
You can see the link above now.
Now that I look at it closer the roster may be messed up. Holliday appears twice so it seems like his WARP is lower than it actually is if you sum them up. Uribe was another top name besides Figgins & Counsell in terms of WARP
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If you're curious about the actual roster
Figgins had the highest WARP for the rox. Craig Counsell is a solid number 4.
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Hmmm...
I wonder if they just slapped the players in and added up the WAR, or if they actually made a real season worth of pitching innings and batting PAs.
Thanks Todd
by controlled_slide on Mar 18, 2010 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions
He just calculated the 2009 WARPs and assigned it to the appropriate team.
Rox clearly wouldn’t have won 108 games with that roster in 2009 but it’s a fun experiment.
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I think it does a good job of showing who's good at drafting
As having more drafted players make the Majors – regardless of where they end up playing – will give you more WARP3, but you’re right, it doesn’t really show how well teams would have done if they had kept all of the players they drafted or signed.
Thanks Todd
by controlled_slide on Mar 18, 2010 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Handicaps the Dbacks and Rays.
I keep trying to reset my password to "penis", but it keeps telling me "too short".
You're right
I was trying to figure out why they did so badly.
Thanks Todd
by controlled_slide on Mar 18, 2010 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Youngest teams,
least # of active players who originated with them.
I would say it handicaps the Rox and Fish as well, but I suppose that extra 5 years makes a big difference.
I keep trying to reset my password to "penis", but it keeps telling me "too short".
Yeah, that's what I figured too
Apparently it hurt the Rays more than the D-Backs though.
Thanks Todd
by controlled_slide on Mar 18, 2010 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Well,
I think that’s more a measure that the Rays have only been a respectable organization over the past few years.
I keep trying to reset my password to "penis", but it keeps telling me "too short".
Also,
LOL @ the Padres for being a completely AWFUL and dysfunctional organization.
I keep trying to reset my password to "penis", but it keeps telling me "too short".
Yeah, that's actually quite sad.
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says the guy whose team got the added value from jdlr despite giving up on him
Twice
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Mar 18, 2010 6:18 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Indeed.
And I maintain that it’s true.
I keep trying to reset my password to "penis", but it keeps telling me "too short".
by DbacksSkins on Mar 18, 2010 11:06 PM MDT up reply actions
It seems we also would have had the best record in baseball.
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 18, 2010 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions
sigh...
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong;
"WHAT IZ this SILLEE BATBALL GAME" - SDTF
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
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