Friday Rockpile: Huston Street's MRI results turn out negative; Plan B at first and Plan C, D(?) at closer
by Russ Oates on Mar 19, 2010 7:31 AM MDT
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Street's MRI results came back negative.
Giambi excited for season - The Denver Post
Jason Giambi wants the season to start because he wants to bat when real games are on the line. And he's part of Plan B should Todd Helton ever be out for an extended period of time this season. Giambi would share first base duties with Brad Hawpe and Melvin Mora in that case.
Paige: To close, Corpas must be '07 model - The Denver Post
With Huston Street out for an indeterminate period of time, Woody Paige informs us that Jim Tracy would like Manny Corpas to step up and take the closer position. Thing is, Corpas needs to be in his '07 form. Or something. All those rays emanating from Skipper Sunshine are distracting.
Hardball in the Rockies: Buchholz will face hitters Saturday
Despite the day in the headline, Thomas Harding reports Taylor Buchholz will throw live batting practice today.
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"In addition to Helton, GM Dan O’Dowd has signed eight players to contracts of three years or more, providing the club an affordable core of young talent for the near future."
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We need Corpas to be GOOD?
Woody, where DO you come up with this hard analysis?
Seriously though, if “tie goes to Corpas”, I’m all for it, because that will mean that Corpas actually became effective.
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also Manny Corpulent
that seems oddly familiar
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 19, 2010 7:37 AM MDT up reply actions
hey, at least he cited ERA
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by Muzia on Mar 19, 2010 8:11 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Sometimes your hatred of Woody clouds your vision of his insightful analysis.
Not only does he have to be good to close, he also has to be un-bad.
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by frightenedinmate#2 on Mar 19, 2010 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions
All that AND he treats us to his delightful sense of humor.
Making fat jokes and puns on Street’s ERA being 7.11?
This is journalistic gold, I tell you.
man, things I miss first thing in the morning
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 19, 2010 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Good news on Street
although I seem to remember that the first MRI on Francis was ok too
Coming back negative just means they don't really know what's wrong.
That doesn’t make me feel much better about the situation.
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same here
What would make me relieved is if he has a pain free shoulder. If anything, this worries me that a real problem that requires a year long recovery might not get fixed until we’re deep into the season.
Let’ hope that he shows some significant improvement in the next week or two so this fear proves unfounded.
Anybody else see this quote from Ozzie Guillen regarding Ron Washington's drug use?
“It ain’t going to happen to me, I guarantee you that. As long as they don’t check for Vodka and Corona I’ll be fine.’’
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Mar 19, 2010 7:42 AM MDT reply actions
I still stand by my assertion that he is an asshole.
by cocainelips99 on Mar 19, 2010 8:44 AM MDT up reply actions
You really don't find that quote funny at all?
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it's funny sure. he's just a jerk and a classless one at that.
Bobby Valentine was a funny manager too. He was also a jerk and classless. Where is he now?
Ozzie has a great future on the MLB network et. al. that’s for sure. Every time I see him on TV or he opens his mouth in an interview I just just want to punch him.
by cocainelips99 on Mar 19, 2010 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Yea. Agree with Holliday5
Making jokes about alcohol abuse is really not that funny.
Hating Cubs fans since 1908
I have some problems with Guillebn, but his choice of humor isn't one of them.
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 19, 2010 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Mac typing fail.
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 19, 2010 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
I bet the Cardinals organization probably wouldn’t think it’s funny, Nick Adenhart’s family probably doesn’t think it’s funny, Miguel Cabrera probably doesn’t think it was funny. Not a stellar time to joke about it in baseball.
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by Hizilla on Mar 19, 2010 12:58 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Again, drinking alcohol does not equal abusing alcohol, and nothing in Ozzie’s quote indicated that he was referencing abuse of alcohol. Similarly, Ron Washington’s story (which is almost definitely untrue) is that it was the first and only time he tried cocaine.
I mean, the guy’s kind of an ass (and I have no idea how he was able to make major league rosters for so long) but, so what? He’s not allowed to make jokes about brown dogs with three legs because someone he doesn’t know might have had a brown dog with three legs?
But, yes, if you make a joke about the consequences of abusing alcohol, that’s inappropriate for a person of such public stature. I just think what he says needs to be kept in perspective.
No you don't.
You hate people who abuse or exaggerate political correctness. For example if your child had just died you probably wouldn’t want people making dead baby jokes – doesn’t make you “PC”, just normal.
Political correctness is a result of decades of increased tolerance and understanding of bigotry, and if it sometimes goes too far it’s a tiny price to pay for the fact we no longer consider stringing up black people or beating women as normal and acceptable behaviour.
I conceed math and euro liberal....
Because we have walked different paths in life; I will contexturaly not conceed logic. You always seem to want to pick a fight. Is that your bigotry showing?
Just because it bothers other people doesn't mean I am obligated to have it bother me.
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 19, 2010 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions
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by Charlie77 on Mar 19, 2010 1:33 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I think its just Ozzie being Ozzie
He’s always said outrageous and often very funny things.
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His most offensive comments have come in response to Jay Mariotti, so the vulgarity is almost entirely excusable in those circumstances.
Otherwise, Ozzie’s pretty funny. He and Ken Williams are a perfect match, in that there doesn’t seem to be any method to their madness but once in awhile it really works.
Plus, he’s willing to speak up for the people of his country, which is rare.
Ozzie's discovery of Twitter is fantastic.
I really hope he tweets from the dugout during games.
Mainly because I want to read furious tirades at the officials in real time.
News about Bucky is great...
but it makes me nervous they’ll rush him and it’ll be longer until he can pitch in real games.
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sounds more like the Rockies are concerned he may be rushing himself
I think it would have been hard for him to match his 08 season even if he hadnt gone under the knife. His velocity will be there, Im concerned about his hook tho. That was his most devestating out pitch and coming off Tommy John, it takes longer to get a consistent feel for your breaking pitches.
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Don’t you hate it when your Rockies fruit machine comes so close, and yet so far? (this juxtaposition really tickled me :))
by biondino on Mar 19, 2010 9:07 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
The crocodile is insulted
that you’ve mistake him for Dinger
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"WHAT IZ this SILLEE BATBALL GAME" - SDTF
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
*mistaken
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong;
"WHAT IZ this SILLEE BATBALL GAME" - SDTF
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
that is awesome
made my morning!
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Giambi for more than 20 games at first is scary
The overall experience and the largest samples of UZR (Todd Helton bias aside) are not good.
If it happens, it probably makes sense to platoon Hawpe and Mora, or acquire another right handed first baseman to platoon with Hawpe.
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 19, 2010 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
woot
oh wait I don’t have Gameday Audio duh
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Well done WolfMarauder
Well done.
Thanks Todd
by controlled_slide on Mar 19, 2010 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
I think the Rockies should really consider Greg Smith as the second lefty in the Pen
His solid spring makes him a better candidate in my mind than Beimel or Flores. He can serve in a lot of different capacities out of the bull pen including long reliever. He’s a lot cheaper than Beimel that’s for sure.
I'd be okay with considering Smith in the pen, but not at the expense of Morales or Flores.
The potential issue is that Smith is our best emergency policy for Francis, and I’d probably rather have him starting in AAA for the time being. But I wouldn’t rule it out. It should be noted, though, that Speier, Redding, Rincon, and possibly even Matt Reynolds are all probably more likely to make the bullpen in Street’s absence than is Smith.
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 19, 2010 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions
I think I might prefer Flores too
especially considering that we’ll need G. Smith to be sharp in the event he needs to come up and be a starter. The only reason I was thinking of him over Flores is in the event that Flores is not able to be ready in time with his injury, mild as it may be. If it came down to it though I think Smith is a better option than signing Beimel.
by BringItHome on Mar 19, 2010 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Flores will be ready for the season.
Barring another injury, of course. The damage done by the batted ball was determined to be completely superficial. No deep damage. The biggest worry we should have about Flores is that he can’ do his job.
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 19, 2010 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
can't*
lol
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 19, 2010 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Smoooooooooltzz
though that doesnt help our lefty situation.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Mar 19, 2010 12:26 PM MDT reply actions
:(
:(
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by WolfMarauder on Mar 19, 2010 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions
I was really sad to hear this too
I love Vin Scully. The good news is that it sounds like he’s doing better now.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Mar 19, 2010 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions
this is sad. Hope he recovers well...
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Mora?
So, I’m looking at the spring stats and trying to overcome this nagging feeling that our best bench player (at least from Spring performance) probably isn’t Melvin Mora.
I just seems like Herrera is having a pretty good spring, while Mora not so much. While I understand Mora provides more veteran leadership and such, it seems that Herrera is perfoming better (by all outward signs). Additionally, it seems that Herrera is a better fit defensively up the middle and potentially at 3b.
1b we have Giambi and Hawpe as backups, so we don’t seem to be needing Mora there. In the OF, we have the 5 set outfielders, and potentially Garner to come in in the event of injury.
I guess I’m wondering how much Mora’s veteran presence is actually needed, and is he the best option for the team?
do not trust the Spring statistics you see. Your eyes are deceiving you.
They are sirens, leading you to some very dangerous rocks.
don't trust april stats either, they're too early and then..
Hey why do we always start the season slow?
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by Charlie77 on Mar 19, 2010 1:20 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Granted, spring can be very deceptive and Herrera may be a prime candidate for more seasoning. However, at what point could a prospect play his way on to the big team? For instance, if EY2 was having the same spring as Herrera, would Mora be on the hotseat?
by attackparrot on Mar 19, 2010 1:30 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
to answer your first question, it's difficult to say, and I would imagine it would depend on the circumstances of the incumbent
as it would typically be harder for a prospect to bump a veteran, multi-million contract player on the 25 man roster than it would another young player with minor league options still available. Which leads me to the answer to your second question, no Mora probably wouldn’t be in immediate jeopardy if Young was having the same kind of Spring as Herrera. I would say that Mora and most Rockies veterans have a month and a half to two months of a regular season leash to prove they’re valuable assets. Some like Tulowitzki or Helton will have even longer than that, a whole season of slumping might not be enough to bump them from their current position.
What do you think the hook for Hawpe is?
mid-June? All-star break?
I doubt he gets a hook
unless you mean a trade?
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I could see a deadline trade...
Provided Smith is heroically riding unicorns a few times a week and Spilly is playing well.
My guess would be Hawpe for either vet relief help or corner infield prospect. But that would just be a guess.
by attackparrot on Mar 19, 2010 5:59 PM MDT up reply actions
I speak
as a non-Rox fan but a guy who does like Hawpe, and I think trading him would be a good call.
Altho, I absolutely HATE him against the Dbacks. Especially against Webby. He tears up Webby like a paper towel.
So…. yeah, that might be biasing my view. But I think you could get more value than he’s worth.
I keep trying to reset my password to "penis", but it keeps telling me "too short".
hopefull barmes and tulo stay healthy
and stewart develops into the full time player we all think he is so Mora will not be needed very often.
but yeah, i wouldn’t trust spring stats. was it last year or the 08 where tulo was tearing it up in the spring and then the reg season came and he produced his terrible april numbers.
Salaries....
hmm, could someone with a subscription post what they said about the Dbacks? Just outta curiosity.
I keep trying to reset my password to "penis", but it keeps telling me "too short".
or the Rockies for that matter
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You could read my State of the Rockies posts...
they cover most of the same ground.
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I'll go back and visit those
they are probably better formatted with those tables you built too.
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Have you updated your information
with the Helton restructure yet?
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by Jeff Aberle on Mar 22, 2010 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
These spammers are really frustrating
I used to think they were kind of funny, because they usually have a bunch of spelling errors and say silly things and there weren’t many of them, but now they’re everywhere and very annoying. Stupid spammers.
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by controlled_slide on Mar 19, 2010 5:46 PM MDT reply actions
we're trying to keep up on them
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 19, 2010 7:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Spam = FAIL
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 19, 2010 6:04 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
This spamming run
is making me think a day or two waiting list to post is a good idea. Maybe they will wait those couple days and post anyway but it is also possible waiting will cause them to just disappear.
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Yeah.....
then again, we haven’t gotten this spammer at The Pit, but that may very well be because you folks get more traffic.
I keep trying to reset my password to "penis", but it keeps telling me "too short".
Also
If they have to wait a day, and spam other sites, they’ll be banned from the whole network before they get a chance to spam here.
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by controlled_slide on Mar 19, 2010 6:17 PM MDT up reply actions
This
is also a good point. Do the AN guys actually ban people networkwide?
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I don't know
Don’t you get to ban people from the ’Pit?
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Yeah,
since I’m an editor. I’m just wondering if they can ban a spammer across the network?
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 20, 2010 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
I just reinstituted
a waiting period. For now, one day seems all right.
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oh you took it off. Ok.
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 19, 2010 7:40 PM MDT up reply actions
During the offseason,
it didn’t seem necessary.
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 19, 2010 7:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh and the Padres are being INCREDIBLY stingy with a franchise player
get out of town, Adrian, you’ve made concessions.
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So despicable how they are treating him..
I hope he does land with a better team. Anyone but the Dodgers or Giants
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Can we put the Red Soxon this list too?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Mar 20, 2010 12:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Hmmm....
I wouldn’t mind him playing 1B for us after LaRoche leaves, although I think Allen is going to crush the ball when he’s ready.
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 20, 2010 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
The Rumour I hear is...
AG to Houston for prospects from Houston and AZ. AZ gets OSWALT and Berkman and eats half of Berkman’s salary.
Another stupid trade
perpetrated by the Astros.
Dunno where you heard that, though.
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Agreed...
Just a phone call from my brother. He was upset about it being an Astros fan. He always wants more pitching in return.
I dunno
which prospects we’d be giving up, but after last year’s draft, we’ve got young’uns to spare.
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