Diamondbacks 12, Rockies 11: Neither the Diamondbacks nor the Rockies wanted to win this contest, but one team had to--unfortuantely, it was the D'Backs
by Russ Oates on Apr 28, 2010 6:08 PM MDT
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PrintThis was a roller coaster of a game, and the ending wasn't satisfying. No Rockies loss is. The graph explains this game pretty well:
There was deep despair after Greg Smith's horrible first inning in which he allowed six runs. He surrendered four hits (one going for a three-run homer) and walked three. But the Rockies still had their 27 outs left to go. Little by little the Rockies came back. Carlos Gonzalez started it with a homer in the second, his third of the season. Then the Rockies combined to score ten runs over the third and fourth innings.
Unfortunately, it was those zeros after those two innings that didn't help as the pitching put up other numbers on the D'Backs line on the scoreboard. Matt Belisle did well in his first three innings of relief of Greg Smith, but he came back out to start the fifth inning. He didn't stay long, leaving after a Justin Upton RBI double and a Mark Reynolds walk. Matt Daley relieved him and allowed the two inherited runners to score. After Rafael Betancourt allowed two runs to tie the game in the eighth, Franklin Morales came in to pitch the ninth. He didn't quite have it, hitting a batter and then walking two to load the bases. John Hester hit into a fielder's choice, which resulted in a throw to the plate. Miguel Olivo manged to get the ball and keep the tip of his cleat on the plate to get the out. Stephen Drew flew out to Seth Smith to end the inning. He followed that in the tenth inning with a leadoff homer to Kelly Johnson.
Diamondbacks starter Kris Benson left the game early with shoulder discomfort and may head to the DL after tonight's MRI.
Like Jack Kerouac's novel, the Rockies are On the Road.
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This really was painful...
…apparently so much so that all the Row has gone AFK for an extended period…
Nice sine wave of a graph there.
Too bad it didn’t go in our favor, but oh well.
"Yo tengo Tacos."
Co-President of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
brutal loss
but i am over it…5-4 road trip would be nice…especially with a depleted pitching staff
TULO = 2010 MVP!
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LETS GO WINGS!
Yeah, no use crying over spilled milk at this point
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by Paleface Destro on Apr 28, 2010 6:24 PM MDT up reply actions
1 of 162
crapshoot from the start, crapshoot at the end.
That’s baseball.
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Normally I'm with you on that...
But where was the crapshoot today? Smith was cruddy, Tracy’s work with the lineup was cruddy (at least it seemed that way to me…I thought Belisle was out there too long, plus the double switch involving CarGo was strange. I understand how a traditional NL double switch works, I just don’t think you ever switch out your best player, and now, CarGo’s the Rockies best player.), Betancourt and Frank were both pretty cruddy Overall, they blew this one, especially after the comeback. Bummer, too, because that kind of win would have been a nice way to start the road trip.
by MarshallMcCard on Apr 28, 2010 6:21 PM MDT up reply actions
The problem in the double switch situation was that Olivo had made the last out.
But you can’t switch out your catcher. So if you keep in CarGo, you’re already going to the third to the last out.
Benson vs. Smith matchup
Would you have said there was a favorite in this game?
Co-Captain of the Greg Lovers Club (along with Silverblood)
No, you're right...
But the Rockies roared back and then blew it. That’s what I’m focusing on because I’m a butthole like that.
by MarshallMcCard on Apr 28, 2010 6:26 PM MDT up reply actions
But we roared back.
We didn’t give up after being down 6-0 without recording an out. We didn’t give up after burning through our bullpen for the 3rd time in a week. You are focusing on the right thing, but the wrong aspect of it.
Co-Captain of the Greg Lovers Club (along with Silverblood)
Philosophical differences, I guess...
But a loss is still a loss, right? I’m not big on moral victories, especially not with the expectations this team has. It is early, but as RIRF says below, this kind of loss is turning into a little bit of a trend.
by MarshallMcCard on Apr 28, 2010 6:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Again, the local liquor stores
Yes, I thought that before first pitch
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by Paleface Destro on Apr 28, 2010 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Betancourt's pitches were well located etc
it was good hitting by the Dbacks.
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 29, 2010 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
True but I'm noticing a disturbing trend here
The Rockies are developing a habit of building big leads early and then just not scoring much the rest of the game. Today marks the third time in this young season that the Rockies have let a three run lead get away (3-0 lead in the first inning against the Brewers before losing 5-4 and 3-0 lead in the third inning against the Nats before losing 6-4 were the others). Worse yet, these games don’t even include the 14 affair with San Diego where the Rockies failed to score in the last eight innings or the 9th inning disaster against Atlanta.
My main point is this. The Rockies have now played seven series and in five of them there has been a game that I felt we should have won and didn’t. On the flip side, I can’t think of one game this year where I think the Rockies should have lost and pulled a victory out of it. I believe this is a problem.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 28, 2010 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions
how many of those games involved odd lineup choices?
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Are you insinuating the lineup was the problem today? Because, uh, I would tend to disagree.
This is a game you just have to win. Series on the line, 11 runs on the board, two run lead with six outs left and our best relievers can’t get the job done. Not liking what I’ve seen from Betancourt, that’s two games he’s cost us in the past week.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
I don't think that's what Muzia was saying.
I think he was asking if lineup choices may have been the problem in other games we gave away that RhodeIslandRoxfan was referring to (at least, that’s how I read it—I’m sure Muzia will clarify if I’m wrong, too).
This one was squarely on pitching, regardless of whether the offense stopped scoring runs.
right, I am not excusing today's pitching whatsover, nor am I blaming the lineup
I am just saying that it’s less of a trend, more of a lack of consistency in almost every phase of the game. Emotional highs and extreme lows the first month of the season, and yet we are still .500.
We have been in every single game, and that is no small feat.
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"We have been in every single game, and that is no small feat"
You know…I didn’t think of this before, but you’re 100% right
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by Paleface Destro on Apr 28, 2010 6:44 PM MDT up reply actions
What's our largest margin of defeat?
I could look it up, but am lazy and am hoping someone else will.
5-0 to the Mets
9-4 to the Braves
6 of our 10 losses have been by 2 or less runs
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*7 of 11 losses by 2 or less runs
forgot to count today
Co-Captain of the Greg Lovers Club (along with Silverblood)
here's my point:
you mentioned there has been one game in every series we should have won and somehow lost, but nothing the other way around.
This means we are playing well enough to win but not finishing for whatever reason, odd lineups, injuries, officiating, death of our team president.
Look at our record: 11-11
Look at our division: 2.5gb of the Padres, even though we are scuffling and injured.
Luck has not gone in our direction, at all, and we are still .500. I wouldn’t call it a trend as much as a team trying to find its footing through a very rough emotional patch. If we are suddenly 6 gb 2 weeks from now, then we’ll talk.
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But you need to take advantage of these games when you have the chance
because sooner or later you are going to have to sail through stormy seas. Right now the Rockies appear like they are going to go through one of these periods with all these people on DL.
At some point Ubaldo is going to cool off a little (0.79 ERA is unsustainable), Olivo will soon show his true colors, and Cargo’s average will drop. You can’t keep losing games that you should have won because when hard times hit you are going to pay for it.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 28, 2010 6:58 PM MDT up reply actions
But what if these are the hard times?
Ubaldo might cool down, but other starters will step up. Cargo’s average might drop, but Hawpe will come back, others will pick up the slack, etc.
JDLR just went on the DL
I don’t want to have to rely on Chacin and Rogers to pick up the slack. I’m not saying that they will do poorly, I just don’t want to put that much pressure on them. We also don’t know when Hawpe is coming back. This is a dangerous road trip coming up.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 28, 2010 7:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Jimenez and Frankie had
more pressure than this and they are still on the club
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
yeah that whole rocktober/ws thing
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 29, 2010 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
but we are sailing through stormy seas right now
this has been the most emotionally turbulent start to any Rockies season and we are staying afloat, even with the injuries and terrible inconsistent starting pitching.
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I agree with the emotional stuff
but with the way we have played I think we should be about 6 games over .500. We have outscored our opponents by 29 runs this season and have nothing to sow for it. A segment of the season where we get outscored is going to have to come sooner or later and this is what I’m worried about.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 28, 2010 7:09 PM MDT up reply actions
A segment of the season where we get outscored is going to have to come sooner or later
Why? We have a top 3 NL offense.
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Because it's baseball
Even the 98 Yankees who won 114 games had a 25 game stretch between August 24th and Septeber 17th where they were outscored.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 28, 2010 7:18 PM MDT up reply actions
as Jeff wrote in a recent Rockpile
our pythagorean is completely out of whack due to a couple recent blowouts. We have not been playing +29 run baseball, especially with our current pitching situation. We are going to continue being around .500 for a little while, but the sky is absolutely not falling.
It’s baseball. (I love this phrase)
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I'm not saying the sky is falling
I’m saying that there is a troubling trend developing and that we could pay for it soon. It’s not imminent disaster, it’s just something we may be lamenting later.
And even if we are not playing +29 run baseball we still should be 4-6 games over .500. We have lost almost every close game.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 28, 2010 7:34 PM MDT up reply actions
we started 0-8 in one run games last year
ended up in the positives. It’s not a huge issue currently.
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True but we went 23-12 after that
I don’t want to have to rely on doing something like that again. (I know we are only 1-3 in one run games right now, but this year it’s more of a blowing big leads thing)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 28, 2010 7:44 PM MDT up reply actions
By odd do you mean Giambi
or do you mean a lineup like today where we had EY in there?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 28, 2010 6:51 PM MDT up reply actions
comebacks to win
I can’t think of one game this year where I think the Rockies should have lost and pulled a victory out of it.
You’re right; there hasn’t been one, not even close. In fact so far the only time the Rockies trailed in a game that they won was briefly down 3-1 to Mets after top of 3rd on Apr. 14…but they scored 3 in bottom 3rd and went on to win 6-5 in 10. Otherwise, not a sniff of a comeback that resulted in victory, especially late. It won’t last forever with this team though.
OT
but snakecharmer’s just updated the roll call script, so now it’ll give timeline info as well. It’s still pretty rough, though: http://jenstechs.net/azsnakepit/rollcall.php
I keep trying to reset my password to "penis", but it keeps telling me "too short".
Well, anyway...
good luck against the rest of the NL West.
I keep trying to reset my password to "penis", but it keeps telling me "too short".
good luck with your bullpen tomorrow, DBS ;)
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Yeah
that’s gonna be fun. At least Hester started today so Snydes can start another day game tm.
I keep trying to reset my password to "penis", but it keeps telling me "too short".
Even blowing in,
I have a feeling we’ll at least out-homer the Flubs.
I keep trying to reset my password to "penis", but it keeps telling me "too short".
That was a wild one.
I think we can safely say Morales earned this one, not bad breaks. Thankfully we have the off day to refresh everything.
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by phishbate on Apr 28, 2010 6:50 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Agreed...I'm certainly no Morales fan (heh), but Betancourt has really been regressing this year
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by Paleface Destro on Apr 28, 2010 6:59 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah it will really kill us if he does
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Let Corpas close
and put Daley in the setup role
The Colorado Rockies aren't a team, they're an armada.
that would be fine, assuming Manny stays Good Manny
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I have more faith in Corpas than anyone else in the bullpen, and it's not even close right now
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I'm fine testing Manuel as setup
but want it taken very slow with him.
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by phishbate on Apr 28, 2010 7:23 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed. Corpas has been nails.
I can’t believe I just wrote that, but there you go.
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by Paleface Destro on Apr 28, 2010 7:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Rafael needs to quickly fix whatever is wrong
but it may just be a bad run. He may be fine.
I said Morales just because that was horrible control in his showing & previous blown saves weren’t all on him. He has to pitch better than that (and I’ve defended Morales more than most recently).
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by phishbate on Apr 28, 2010 7:22 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Frankie's biggest problem is he thinks more about the last pitch than the next one.
He’s got to block out the past and concentrate on the future and I’m not sure he can effectively do that.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
That's a really great way to put it.
I’m assuming they’ve gotten him hooked up with a sports psychologist, but clearly nothing has quite worked yet.
For all the bashing I saw of Fuentes when he was here
This was one thing he had mastered. He could walk the bases loaded and still strike out the side with no damage done.
Wyoming baseball --- GO GHOSTS!
Well, that was fun.
Not.
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I absolutely hate losses like this
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Dude. It was a blast.
After it was over, I was still entertained.
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glad you enjoyed it...
me, not so much
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to be fair, I only enjoyed it because it's April
if it was September, I would have drunkenly showed up at your door demanding solace
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if this happens
can we get some sort of video of it?
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you pervy pervy people
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it's so far past pervy it's actually back to normal
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no....not that solace
just Muzia knocking on your door..would just love to see how that would go down…
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well, it would be pouring rain. She would hear a knock at 2am
Silver opens the door to see me, coatless, hair sopping wet and dangling in front of my eyes…
waitasec. No. No more description.
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lol
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Cue Lady Antebellum..
Need you now lyrics.
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it probably wouldn't be nearly as amusing as you think
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/looks around suspiciously for biondino
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Is that what you call it?
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You must like torture
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 28, 2010 7:11 PM MDT up reply actions
He's known as the Waterboarding enthusiast.
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I want to blame Tracy for this one
I would like some discussion on what I though were some questionable managerial choices. He shouldn’t have let Belisle go out for the 5th for a number of reasons. He was already at about 50 pitches and he had just gotten HBP in the last half inning. He was gassed and you could tell almost right away. He should have had Daley warming up from the beginning. Second, letting Morales go out for the 10th was obviously a bad choice. What is most puzzling is how bad the 9th was and he still sent him out there. Its not like Morales rolled through with minimal pitches. He nearly blew the game right then. I know he bullpen had to pick up 8 innings up to that point but you have an off day tomorrow for everyone to rest.
A frustrating game to say the least, especially when things looked so good for a few innings. Am I alone in feeling this way.
Question:
Who would you have pitch the 10th?
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The problem was starting pitching 1 IP, relief pitching 9 IP.
The only time the Rockies should see 9 IP relief is only if the Rockies game is in the 16th inning or later.
he's overplaying his "my pitchers are tough and can go an extra inning" card
and it’s hurt us a couple of times now
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 29, 2010 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Our pitching woes
are solved! The team signed lefty Josh Muecke from the Atlantic League.
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I was hoping you were going to say they cloned Ubaldo
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 28, 2010 7:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Have you seen the Drillers pitching staff?
They aint too shabby either
Wyoming baseball --- GO GHOSTS!
Hey Muzia
Do you have any secret feeds to the Washington/Monteal game?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 28, 2010 7:22 PM MDT reply actions
O CRAP
that’s on now?
CRAP CRAP CRAP.
email. check it.
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Thanks dude
Monumental upset possible here.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 28, 2010 7:26 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah this game is crazy
Montreal up 2-1 with 2 min left.
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Washington power play for the last 1:44
EEK
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This is wild
Aggressive stragegy by Washington here
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 28, 2010 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Canadiens win.
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Cup Favorite is down in the First Round
GOD I LOVE PLAYOFF HOCKEY
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Bruins now have how ice in the second round as a 6 seed
I love it.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 28, 2010 7:38 PM MDT up reply actions
how home
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 28, 2010 7:39 PM MDT up reply actions
This is a must see post game
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 28, 2010 7:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Where would you rank this in biggest upsets in NHL history
taking into consideration the Caps were up 3-1 in the series.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 28, 2010 7:55 PM MDT up reply actions
they were the Cup favorites, hands down
Eastern conference was incredibly top heavy this year, no one aside from the top four seeds were supposed to do anything.
They won two games on the road against probably the best player on the planet after being down 3-1. As an 8 seed that barely made the playoffs.
Yeah, it’s unprecedented. This is like a 15 seed making the Elite Eight in NCAA.
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What else in NHL history compares to this?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 28, 2010 8:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Caps were 1-33 on the power play as well
Ouch
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 28, 2010 8:02 PM MDT up reply actions
2006 Stanley Cup Playoffs in recent memory
they traded for Minnesota’s backup goalie at the deadline, snuck in as an #8 seed, and advanced all the way to the Finals Game 7, before losing to Carolina.
That year, all top 4 seeds in the West were beaten first round, giving them an easier road.
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Edmonton Oilers*
forgot to mention who actually did it
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That's a good one
I forgot about that
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 28, 2010 8:15 PM MDT up reply actions
What an upset!!!!!
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 28, 2010 7:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh, the humanity
I just returned from the game (had to go pick up my car afterwards from the mechanic) and it really was one of those old-fashioned Coors Field slugging matches. Unfortunately the crowd and seemingly the Rox were sapped of energy by the sixth inning. I give kudos to the Snakes who kept at it and won the final round.
I’m too woozy to ponder much more but I was mulling in my head on the drive home whether the rox both over the course of the last 4 years and their entire history tend to lose large leads more often than the average team? Particularly at home? It certainly seems like I’ve sat through far more than my fair share. Someone here has to have some sort of numerical bead on this I gather. :) Or are they around average in the league in this regard?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 28, 2010 7:48 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
most depressing damn book ever
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You couldn’t have told me this before I picked it up at the library today?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 28, 2010 8:21 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Look on the bright side...
The Giants lost is worst than this. They had their ace on the mound with a 3 run into the 9th and some how lost.
So watching Tulo's comments after the game
He called out the bullpen, which I think was totally wrong. The bullpen has kept this team afloat for the most part.
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The Bullpen gave up a 5 run lead
not that we didn’t have other problems but that cannot be ignored
Belief that success is inevitable is as likely to hold you back as a belief that it is impossible.
I'm saying in general the bullpen has been pretty darn solid
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What did he say?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 28, 2010 8:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Basically that the bullpen needed to step up.
I’m trying to find the quote. It was during his postgame comments
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If he was talking about Betancourt and Morales I agree with him
He probably didn’t call them out specifically but if that was his line of thinking I can see where he is coming from. I agree our middle relief has been outstanding but our 8th and 9th inning guys have had some problems.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 28, 2010 9:16 PM MDT up reply actions
It's more of Greg Smith's fault more than anything....
BP shouldn’t have been put in that situation
by Colsportsfan on Apr 28, 2010 9:03 PM MDT up reply actions
DH to be used in the All Star game every year
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Apr 28, 2010 9:19 PM MDT reply actions
Bud Selig is damned and determined to screw up the All Star Game beyond all hope.
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I just wonder why they would institute the DH all the time.
Just trying to make it an AL game? I think a huge part of the game is the moves and the pinch hitters and when to use them. The DH just takes the strategy out of it.
I would even argue they don’t even need to expand the rosters if there will be less need for pinch hitters.
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I think it's more about juggling lineup cards and bodies.
Which, yes, is a part of the game, but is a different animal in the All-Star Game. I can understand wanting to make things simpler for the managers. And as to the rosters, I think they want to be able to hold more guys back on the bench for extra innings, which is somewhat separate from pinch hitting/substitutions.
It doesn’t matter so much this year, since there was going to be DH anyway.
In the end its about the full time DH
And the prevention of them getting a shot at the ASG when its held in a NL park.
Because starters don’t go 6+ innings in the ASG I don’t have a real issue with this rule. That reason alone takes the NL strategy argument out of the equation. And that is my number one reason I don’t like the ASG having any more value than as a simple exhibition.
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by Kris Hansen on Apr 28, 2010 10:00 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm most indifferent to it having value (I see why people hate it, but I just can't get all that worked up about it).
But I do like the (to me) more intense and exciting games we’ve gotten as a result.
the new rule makes perfect sense
To the point I’m surprised it took this long to institute. All star pitchers don’t really need to bat. That’s not why they are there, and fans don’t need to see Felix Hernandez flailing at curveballs, risking injury. There are so many pinch hitters and subs that the NL type strategy is already pretty much gone. Plus, it’ll make it easier for managers to handle the five first basemen they are given.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 28, 2010 10:13 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
So are you OK with the NL going to the DH?
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by pedalpusher on Apr 28, 2010 10:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Hell no
But the ASG is basically a pointless exhibition anyway, makes sense to make it simpler. That’s right, the AL IS THE SIMPLE LEAGUE.
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by ShadowPenguin on Apr 28, 2010 10:50 PM MDT up reply actions
the AL should not be allowed to be called baseball. period. :)
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by SDcat09 on Apr 29, 2010 12:03 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
The DH is irrelevant in the ASG
When a starting pitcher is arbitrarily subbed out for a less accomplished pitcher in the 3rd inning of a 0-0 game.
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by Kris Hansen on Apr 28, 2010 11:07 PM MDT up reply actions
of course not - that is completely different
The all star game us an exhibition that isn’t played like a normal baseball game anyway. Benches and pitching staffs are used completely differently. All Star Games are already further away from the way the game us intended to be played than American League games. I will never be ok with the dh in the National League
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 28, 2010 11:34 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
My concern is if this, what next? DH in all World Series games? Then just have DH in both leagues?
People are calling the ASG a pointless exhibition. And it was until BS decided that the winner would host the WS. It went from pointless to a game that had a valued result. Now they’re changing the rules to mimic the AL. I just don’t like the direction this is going at all.
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The ASG is STILL a pointless exhibition
Despite the WS home field bs. Stupidest decision in sports.
But anyway, do we see Halladay and Sabathia pitch 8 innings in the ASG, the starting lineup play the whole game, and players stealing bases and diving for soft liners?
No, the players and managers know the game is still an exhibition and they play the game to get all the players in and represent their teams.
This will not carry over into actual games that matter.
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by ShadowPenguin on Apr 29, 2010 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions
I certainly hope you are right. I just don't trust Selig mucking around with baseball games.
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Believe me
There will be a revolt and a civil war before the DH is allowed into the NL.
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by ShadowPenguin on Apr 29, 2010 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't see this as an infringement on the NL at all
An exhibition game (even the ASG) is FARRRR from a real game. Changing it for the NL would change how teams develop rosters, what managers do. EVERYTHING. This just protects pitchers from needless injury and lets fans seem more sluggers
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 29, 2010 9:06 PM MDT up reply actions
This is one small step..
of infringement on the holiness of pure baseball.
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Eh, I seriously doubt it.
The All-Star Game has a lot of rules that will never be added to regular games.
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I just hope it's not a Roadtrip from Hell
we have one of those every so often
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and it seems to usually be when we head west.
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California trips usually are
A nature trail to hell in 3D
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by Kris Hansen on Apr 28, 2010 10:01 PM MDT up reply actions
great way to put it
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by pedalpusher on Apr 28, 2010 10:03 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm still watching it...
… I avoided the scores all day and turned it on when I got home from work. But I had to peek, and crap, I guess it didn’t work out well. Some thoughts:
- I like Cargo batting in the 5 hole. Dude doesn’t walk anyway. EY2 and Fowler was the Tulsa top of the order 2 years ago. I also like Fowler leading off and Seth Smith batting 2nd. Put Cargo in more RBI situations.
- Smith scares me. It’s not the time to be talking about it because of the other injuries, but I don’t see him in the rotation for much longer. Watching this game, I was thinking that Belisle could take Smith’s spot and Smith could take Belisle’s for a while. Why not? It’s not like Belisle didn’t pitch more innings and pitch better than Smith did today.
How many games have there ever been
Where both teams overcome 5+ run deficits?
It’s inconceivable!
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Probably quite a few, ever,
given the sheer # of games.
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 28, 2010 10:55 PM MDT up reply actions
So...
Did anyone catch the postgame show and see what Tracy had to say (assuming this wasn’t one of those game days where he doesn’t say anything)?
I watched part of it
But the wife was babbling on about something and the end result was I didn’t really hear either speech.
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I should say
The majority of what he had to say was about his promise that he would not overwork the bullpen and as such had no intention of pitching Corpas.
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by Kris Hansen on Apr 28, 2010 11:09 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure he said before the game that Corpas would be unavailable.
At least he should be okay to go over the weekend.
Also, since most people missed it in the gamethread...
I should note, for the record, that the double-switch turned out to be the right decision after all…
…if EY’s still in left in the ninth, this game never gets to extras—or does so only if the Rockies tie it up in Bot 9—because he blows the catch that ended the inning…
See? I give Tracy credit in the unlikely event I think he’s earned it… :-P
Hammel going on the DL isn't a loss.
Switching Rogers for Hammel doesn’t strike me too much of a loss. We haven’t won a game with him yet so far – and even when he’s at his best he’s still just a fifth spot starter. I’m pretty confident that these young kids will at least – in some way shape or form perform better than what Hammel has done so far. Not to mention it gives young – highly rated prospective talent some work in which only does better for the future foundation of the franchise.
JDLR, I’ll give you that. While he’s been great – keep in mind he’s no Jimenez or Lincecum. He’s good – it’ll cost us a bit until he gets back off the DL, but at the end of the day JDLR is replaceable.
And finally, I really do hope Tracy considers having Corpes as our 8th inning set up guy. He used to close some games before as we all know – so the pressure situations shouldn’t be a problem for him.
Betancourt to me strikes me as a guy that the entire league knows he’s throwing fastballs. But when you have an ineffective slider and a low 90’s fastball that the entire league knows you’ll be throwing 95% of the time, you’re going to get hit. It’s a simple as that.
by lasvegasrockie on Apr 30, 2010 12:56 AM MDT reply actions
better than a 4th starter, too
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by Andrew Martin on Apr 30, 2010 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
More on Betancourt
Furthermore, to add to my comment on Betancourt, I think the success Betancourt showed last year was simply the league not having experience with him since Betancourt came from the AL.
It also doesn’t help that Betancourt advertised to the world by telling the press “he isn’t afraid to throw his fastball over and over again regardless of what happened the pitch before.”
Betancourt really needs to develop a good change-up. His slider isn’t fooling anyone and it…does…not…you know…SLIDE.
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