Friday Rockpile: Jeff Francis to make return on Sunday; Eric Young Jr. heads to DL with fractured tibia
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Multiple sources are now reporting that Eric Young, Jr. siffered a fractured right tibia in Wednesday's game against the Phillies. No word yet on how long he is expected to be out. Jonathan Herrera appears to be the choice to take EY's place on the roster. Herrera last played in the majors in 2008 when he spent a month and a half with the Rockies, hitting .230/.277/.279 in 66 plate appearances. With the Sky Sox this season, the 5'9" infielder is hitting .313 with a .772 OPS.
Just as EY goes on the DL, two more pitchers will come off the list. Jason Hammel and Jeff Francis will start Saturday and Sunday, respectively. Hammel, who was originally scheduled for a start back on Wednesday, bumps Greg Smith from his scheduled start. Francis will make his first start since 12 September 2008.
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Excited to see Francis will pitch Sunday. I’m headed back to Denver for the weekend and will be at the games tonight and Sunday, and I’m happy to see my favorite player’s first start in over a year. He should get a real nice ovation from the home crowd.
Also, I think the search for a home run source in Denver has ended.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
Gah, really?? Can we please just leave Tim Tebow out of any baseball?
Seriously, the next thing you know he’ll be thinking his Alex Ovechkin and Carmelo.
Leave Tebow out of baseball!!! For the love of all things good in baseball.
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by SDcat09 on May 14, 2010 8:30 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
thank you.
"Ninety feet between a hot dog and my mouth is too far" - Maria M (SDCAT09 is awesome for coming up with this fake quote for me!)
Co-president of the Ubaldo Lovers Club.
Sorry, I just had to rant.
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i enjoyed your rant
I don’t want to hear about football ever on a baseball blog.
"Ninety feet between a hot dog and my mouth is too far" - Maria M (SDCAT09 is awesome for coming up with this fake quote for me!)
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I don't mind the football part in small doses
Its the Tebow overkill that I can’t stand
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I think he was just trying get to the umps
to tell them to cancel the G-D game already.
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by SDcat09 on May 14, 2010 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Charlie Manuel is apparently just like everyone else from Philly
A raging #%$%#^
But things got amped up even more after Tracy read a comment by Phillies manager Charlie Manuel, who, when asked about teams complaining about his team’s tactics, said, "Keep crying. I’m sure if they could steal signs, they would. And if we can, we will, too, if we can get them legally.
“If you’re dumb enough to let us get them, it’s your fault. It’s been going on in the game a long time. If you’re dumb enough to let us get them, that’s your problem.”
from the Post
The problem isn’t that he was stealing signs. Everybody does that or at least tries. It’s the fact that 1) you’re using binoculars and then 2) flagrantly lying about it.
Charlie Manuel is a dumb hick.
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I'm disappointed that someone (Victorino) didn't wear one in the last game.
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by phishbate on May 14, 2010 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
That would have stung even more than usual
with the cold weather. I expect the Rockies will remember these comments the next time they play the Phils however.
by avsfan4ever33 on May 14, 2010 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah
pretty brash and arrogant. I’ve always respected the Phils and, actually, sort of liked them…but not Manuel. I mean, that was basically an admission with some “what are you going to do about it?” smack. At least we got over on Halladay. But this is all good: a nice rivalry with the Phils would work just fine…
When I went to game 2 in 2007
Phils fans were more incredulous than anything, and quite friendly. We even pounded Coors lite in the parking lot with the some die hards. Bet the welcome wouldn’t be as warm this time around.
Victorino is the smug leader of the NL East
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Srsly
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Thank god no one got hurt in the horrible conditions last night.
Why the hell did they keep playing when it was coming down so hard? The puddles on the infield were massive. Even though we would have eaten the loss it should have been called earlier.
"Because I am a Rockie." - Todd
Agree
I love the “all weather” nature of football, but it stinks for baseball. The fans hate it (witness completely empty stands), and undoubtedly the players do too. They need to come up with some objective measure of when its ok to play, and last night didn’t seem to fit.
I think they can be a little touchy sometimes about playing in rain (ex. the first delay when there wasn't much rain).
But when there are massive pools of water on the infield and runners aren’t able to actually “run” that should could as objectively bad enough to call it.
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the Barmes/Mora platoon can now be fully implemented now that meddling kid is gone
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You took the words right out of my mouth
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I'm concerned about our OF depth now actually.
Can we trade some pitching to get someone who can play LF?
"Because I am a Rockie." - Todd
Can't we play Seth Smith in LF?
or was that a sarchasm I fell into.
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crashed and burned
you started out the day so well too
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I'm barely awake....lol
The mere mention of Tim Tebow causes my brain to short circuit
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I think it's just sad that it's plausible enough to be a possibility.
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you were going to make a Scooby-Doo reference too?
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Blargh
Not a good way to wake up this morning. Stupid weather.
We are Fangirl. We are Legion.
We cause grown men to hide under their beds until the squealing fades away.
that means he would be even happier in Denver, amirite?
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Few things.
Bring CDI back. (this is not a comment meant to trash Olivo)
Keep line up the same for 3 straight days.
Wave goodbye to Giambi, say hello to Eldred. (or realize Hawpe as 1st base back-up, and hello Matt Miller)
Make Sunday memorable Francis. Please don’t be 2010 Hammel, Hammel.
few others
Think hard about either Reynolds or Johnston in AAA.
Reynolds plz.
Don’t care what level you pitch at. You don’t walk guys, you have success.
Get him here sooner rather than later.
Too many lefties, too many roster moves right now for Reynolds
by Greg Stanwood on May 14, 2010 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions
The thing that is a pain about the Lefties already on the team
is that there isn’t an easy way to send any of them to AAA – I bet Morales stays on the DL a while.
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Last I heard, they actually intend to activate him as soon as he's eligible.
by Greg Stanwood on May 14, 2010 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Interesting
keeping him on the DL seems like a good way to rebalance out the pen – guess they are fine with 3 LHP.
On an unrelated note – do you know what the 40-man move will be for Herrera?
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As I said below, myb best guess is that Shane Lindsway will be DFA'd.
Someone else suggested they DFA Paul Phillips, and also make the Iannetta callup today.
by Greg Stanwood on May 14, 2010 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions
I really hope
Francis has a good day out on Sunday – lets make sure we get him some good run support – something that seems to be lacking as of late…
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Co-president of the Ubaldo Lovers Club.
Please explain how Brad Eldred is a better big league option than Jason Giambi.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
It may not be the best swap...
But I’m just not feeling any sort of Giambi resurgence. Eldred has reasonable AAA numbers, and they’ve been consistent as well. His defense can’t be any worse either.
I’ve just become tired of journeymen is my problem I suppose. I could do without Mora and Giambi, but I suppose with injuries there isn’t much choice anymore.
I suppose I dig the "no journeymen" sentiment
but what team doesn’t rely to some (if not great) extent on journeymen? I mean, the Yankees and Sox are filled with them, seems unreasonable to think we’re going to avoid that. Likewise, the teams that rely too much on AAAA level talent (the usual alternative to journeymen) are rarely at the top of the heap.
On the bright side, we’re not far from a bullpen that looks like this:
Rogers
Flores
Beimel
Corpas
Buchholz
Betancourt
Street
Buchholz’s rehab could not be going any better and Street’s off to a strong start too. I’m ready for that seven man unit, with Morales replacing Flores as soon as he comes off the DL.
I think we probably win that game if we had kept them to seven runs. Oh well.
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no Daley? :(
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Buchholz, if healthy, is a better version of Daley
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Daley will almost certainly be the first cog of the pen optioned away when the injured start returning.
by Greg Stanwood on May 14, 2010 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
I do not approve
Keep Daley in his role and send Rogers back down for more regular work. Corpas can go back into the long relief role, so Rogers is expendable.
Daley for Closer
Why would we send down Daley and Rogers?
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I don't know if you read Jeff or Andrew M's post
but there are these things that young players have called options…
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Did you not notice the post right below this with SDCat talking about options?
by Greg Stanwood on May 14, 2010 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions
clearly not
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by Andrew Martin on May 14, 2010 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Did you notice that I actually asked that question below?
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clearly not
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by Andrew Martin on May 14, 2010 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions
How many options does Daley have left?
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Man I get tired of the
frowney face posts when someone mentions one of your favorite players not being on the team…so predictable yet so irritating.
Do the math….
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What wrong with expressing sadness with players being sent down, whatever the reason?
Especially someone like Daley who has been a great story and served the Rockies well.
"Because I am a Rockie." - Todd
I’m not trying to single out Daley – he has been great, but once everyone is healthy he is the most logical guy to send down because the team doesn’t lose him. Expressing sadness is fine – but every time someone says something disparaging about your favorite players acting like a victim gets old.
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Everyone should have the right to express their opinion
and their personality – without needing others’ approval.
Why do you feel the need (or authority) to critique her comment?
is it really “so irritating” … really?
"The greater the obstacle, the more glory in overcoming it." ~Moliere
it can get annoying when anytime certain "favorite" players are met with any kind of detraction
that they’re met with a lot of boo hooing and rirf sadface (although, much like contemptuous chipper, it’s being used far more judiciously these days) and objective conversation and analysis is being drowned in a seas of tears
I’m not entirely on that side of the spectrum, but I’m just saying I see his point.
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by Andrew Martin on May 14, 2010 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions
I find personality attacks far more irritating
No harm was done with SDcat’s comments, but Hizilla’s was a direct confrontation. For what? a sad face?
I just think you should not attack. If you don’t like it express your contrary opinion without disparaging the other posters. There are some pretty arrogant posters on here – and that arrogance is more harmful to the “community” than any sad faces ever could be.
Clint Barmes is going to get hot and be an offensive FORCE
"I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else" - W. Churchill
there are some very arrogant posters
and some incredibly oversensitive posters
and some absurd white knights
and Muzia
Point is that I know of a lot of people who dislike the arrogant posters – I wouldn’t be surprised if half of the site hated me, I’m a pretty arrogant poster a lot of the time.
I know a lot of people who get sick of whining and just want to talk baseball, not how much we Spilly 95% of the roster and can’t possibly stand to make the team better by losing a “favorite”.
I know a lot of people who hate the white knights because they paint relatively levelheaded criticism with the “arrogant/mean/jerk” brush and further encourage people being overly sensitive.
The point of this isn’t “hey let’s pinpoint any specific people!” but more that I think a lot of us are aware that we fall into those categories (and others that aren’t even listed) and probably need to tone back in general lest this site just become Purple Row: Where your in-site drama trumps actual baseball discussion. We’re not there, we’re not close to there, but everyone needs to take a deep breath and find a way to have intelligent discourse without attacking, taking everything so personally, or overly stirring the pot.
This goes for me, as well.
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by Andrew Martin on May 14, 2010 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Toning back was my whole point.
You can see me as an “absurd white knight”, but really my comments were about the lack of respect. You tone down the heated rhetoric by increasing the level of respect.
I recognize that my use of arrogant may not have been very respectful, but I was not singling out any one poster at that point – and I certainly don’t think I was painting “levelheaded criticism” into arrogance.
Let’s step down – and be respectful – and talk baseball – and love the Rockies.
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OMG
How in the heck does expressing dismay at Daley being optioned become someone acting like a victim? I have the right to express my opinion. I don’t care if you think its logical or not.
Give me a break.
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I'm going to shed multiple tears when Greg Smith gets sent down this weekend :(
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What's our BEST rotation anyway?
Ubaldo, DLR, Chacin, Cook, Hammel? What happens to Francis once DLR comes back?
Once everybody gets healthy (Street, Buchholz, Morales, DLR), who remains on the roster is going to be tricky.
by CentralCaliRox on May 14, 2010 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Personally I like this rotation:
Ubaldo, DLR, Chacin, Francis, Hammel.
by CentralCaliRox on May 14, 2010 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions
what about Cook? we can't just send him down to the Springs
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I know.
Bullpen? I honestly have no idea..
by CentralCaliRox on May 14, 2010 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions
I think whether Hammel outperforms Cook
is questionable. I think Francis, Cook, and Hammel each are battling for that last spot. Cook and Francis may be given the benefit of the doubt, unless Hammel is clearly better.
Daley for Closer
I would take late 2009 Cook over 2010 Hammel
but I would take 2009 Hammel over 2010 Cook
Daley for Closer
And I would take 2010 Cook over 2010 Hammel
Which is what is being discussed here :p
by Greg Stanwood on May 14, 2010 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Ubaldo, DLR, Chacin, Cook, Francis
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on May 14, 2010 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions
BUT, either of the last two, or Hammel,
could be used as a long man instead. I guess it depends on how well (or not) they perform in the starting role.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on May 14, 2010 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah we pretty much have 3 pitchers to fill 2 starting spots.
And if all of our relievers are healthy, no bullpen spots. So, uh-oh. But I doubt everybody will be all healthy at one time.
by CentralCaliRox on May 14, 2010 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Here's a Factor
Who would have the best trade value as bait to pick up, say, a middle infielder, or a back up first baseman with a bat?
is the middle infielder a league average bat at least?
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by Andrew Martin on May 14, 2010 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions
That would be nice
Though if Herrera’s shot goes as well as his spring training, that may become moot.
It just seems to me that there’s a lack of depth in the infield, and an embarrassment of riches in the rotation (6 legitimate starters + Frankie Mo) as well as in the bullpen, not to mention the outfield.
It would seem to me that some thought might be given to making those rotation and bullpen decisions with this eventuality in mind.
Nothing needs done now, obviously, but that means the team can deal from a position of strength. But I’m sure there are people way smarter than I who have already thought this through in much more depth.
That's really hard to say...
Jimenez and Chacin are off the table, obviously. Probably DLR too. Can’t see anyone wanting Francis (too much injury risk). Cook is sort of unlikely, if only because of the clause giving him a raise if traded, but I wouldn’t say NO.
My guesses would be Hammel or Morales, if either one of them can begin to be even somewhat effective. Hammel’s reasonably inexpensive, and can shore up the back of a rotation. Morales still has a ton of potential, and a team that’s isn’t necessarily needing him to be lights out right away could see him as a steal.
Man, I get tired of those who seem to judge those who like to express feelings about the game
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You just come off whiny all the time
when something happens to one of your 20 favorite players. It’s baseball, people get sent up, get sent down, get traded. Get released because they stop trying (Atkins). It happens. Just letting you know how I feel.
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I thought personal attacks were frowned upon ...:(
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Did someone eat a landsnark steak for lunch today?
If fans don’t develop bonds with certain players, then where does their bond come from? Unless all you’re really into is fantasy baseball and numbers, which I suppose is one way to go.
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like I said above
it does get a bit whiny in here when certain players are being spoken about in the light of “getting demoted” or “trade bait”
not singling out SDCat, I promise. Not singling out anyone. I get whiny sometimes too. It’s a fair criticism of the site in general, despite being targeted at one person.
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by Andrew Martin on May 14, 2010 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Plus, no one is denying anyone the right to display their feelings for a player.
But the opposite side of the coin is that frustration with that attitude can also be expressed. Two way street here. Though I think Hizilla did wake up on the wrong side of the bed or something.
by Greg Stanwood on May 14, 2010 5:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Whoops, forgot Belisle. He’s in there instead of Rogers.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
As noted below
I like bringing Rogers up via bullpen, but I agree that Belisle needs to be there now.
Yes, Belisle and not Rogers.
That’s a no-brainer.
by CentralCaliRox on May 14, 2010 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions
I like the looks of that
Very much in support of breaking Rogers in via bullpen. I still like him as a starter candidate, but he could be a stud reliever too, and might as well use him now.
Not sure how I feel about Daley, he seems to be showing signs of falling off but he hasn’t been that bad overall. I’m definitely not among his fanboys but I do think he can hold a spot, he reminds me a lot of the late-era Matt Herges.
Daley has much better stuff than Herges but right now he’s fighting it. His slider’s on the side of a milk carton.
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I agree
I’m not saying their stuff is the same, but their results. Both are sort of sneaky guys that get guys out but never blow anyone away, sort of smoke and mirrors (but sustainable) types. And, both are pretty versatile, you can get them to throw a couple innings of long relief, or throw them into leverage, etc., and feel pretty good about it. But as you note above, Buck is basically similar but with superior stuff.
Buck does have superior stuff
but, are the reports that his fastball is in the upper 80’s accurate? If so, he has a ways to go, I pretty sure I remember his fastball being more like 92-94 in the past. I know we have a couple weeks, so as he gets stronger it might come back.
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I don't recall
much at 94 other than the occasional reach-back, but he was definitely regularly in the low 90s and hopefully he’ll be back there before he’s called up.
Rogers has better out of the bullpen than in the rotation.
I certainly approve of getting him big league experience in the bullpen before testing him as a starter again.
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Rogers will be converted to the bullpen by the end of the year, or won't be in the organization anymore.
by Greg Stanwood on May 14, 2010 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Is this a gut feeling
or something you’re hearing/reading somewhere? He’s too good to give up on entirely.
He is out of options after this year.
Unless there is a spot for a right hander open in the rotation, Rogers is converted to the pen.
The two potential players in our rotation leaving are DLR and Francis, both lefties. Jimenez, Cook, and Chacin are likely to fill the right handed spots, with Hammel still a likely fifth starter, being under team control, unless his 2010 is as apocalyptic as it has been the whole time.
If you prefer a rephrasing of the comment, it is “There is no room for Rogers in the rotation next year, and he can’t play in the minors anymore, therefore, a conversion to the bullpen seems obvious”.
by Greg Stanwood on May 14, 2010 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions
OK
fair enough thoughts. It all really depends on how the rotation lines up for next year (i.e., your comments on Hammell, DLR signing, Francis health, etc).
DLR missing 2 months may actually help our cause if we wanted to re-sign him
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I suppose
but only if the injury is bad. I suspect he’ll get paid just fine if he comes back healthy and effective this year.
I'm not too confident we'll re-sign him
Because we were light years apart on a long-term deal before the season. I do think though that both Tulo and Ubaldo get extensions to their current deals.
we have them both cheap through 2014
I don’t think it’s time to extend those two beyond that date, as much as I love them both.
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who do we look like, the St. Louis Cardinals?
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doesn't heltons deal run through 2020?
all jokes aside, wasn’t there a team (and it may be in the NBA or NFL I dont remember) that signed a player for life?
2035.
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by Andrew Martin on May 14, 2010 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions
WHY IS EVERYONE DOWN ON FLORES!?
Geez look at his ERA.
by CentralCaliRox on May 14, 2010 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m not down on Flores, but I also don’t want to carry 13 pitchers and certainly don’t see the need for three lefties in the pen once Morales is back in a setup role.
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by Franchise26 on May 14, 2010 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Morales > Flores this year?
No way. No no no.
by CentralCaliRox on May 14, 2010 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions
And I don't like him as a setup role type of guy.
I like this ‘pen:
Belisle (can pitch multiple innings; absolutely love him though :)
Buchholz (only if he’s effective once he gets back – he’s not throwing as hard as he used to)
Corpas (gotta be careful with him :x)
Flores (not a single reason to send him down)
Beimel (effective reliever)
Betancourt
Street.
I would leave Morales off until his head is screwed on correctly. He needs to go to AAA and pound the strike zone every time he’s on the mound. If he can do that, bring him back up in place of Flores, when Randy starts to struggle. I think Morales has way better stuff but right NOW Flores is better and I think in 10 days when Morales comes back, Flores will still be the better option. Probably not in the not-too-distant future however.
by CentralCaliRox on May 14, 2010 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Just looking at the schedule
we have only played 3 games against the NL central, while the Padres and Giants have been feasting. Arizona has already played 17 against the central, and the fact that they have a losing record in those games tells me that the Dbacks are a serious candidate to lose 90 this year.
Padres are 7-4, San Fran is 8-3 vs. Central teams
Good catch.
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The AP has a story
about players using Miley Cyrus & Justin Bieber for walkup music this year.
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What are everyone's expectations for Francis on Sunday?
I’m hoping 5 IP, 3ER.
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Seriously though, I'd be happy with 5IP 3ER. I'd like to see at least 6 IP though.
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After doing some scouting on Youtube, I believe I’ve found the right-handed power bat this Rockies team needs. Just look how far this ball flies.
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You gotta wonder if he had been having this much fun
in the majors if he would have had more success. I have a like/hate relationship with Byrnes. I liked him for having our back in the WS.
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Yeah, no. Glad the DBacks are paying him to $11M to play softball.
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I still like him better in left than EY.
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by Franchise26 on May 14, 2010 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
I actually bet it's close these days. Byrnes is pretty horrible in the OF.
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but who tries harder, that's the question?
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Where do they fall on the Eckstein Grission Scale?
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they need an Eckstein Ray to focus that energy into something productive and scrappy
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lol...kind of true
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Really, is there a good chance we will be able to re-sign him?
I know he has struggled, but I still like his stuff, and he was a little unlucky in the Sox game I went to. He has a power fastball, just needs to harness it a little more. Because of the many injuries I think that has kept him from being as advanced as he might otherwise be.
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If he clears waivers, we can try to outright him.
by Greg Stanwood on May 14, 2010 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Of course, we don't know for sure if he's DFA'd yet.
Just a prediction for the Herrera move.
by Greg Stanwood on May 14, 2010 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Would it change things if were to call up Nelson instead?
I am thinking it might since Nelson is on the 40-man, is that correct? If so, I don’t understand moves like this. You are bringing up a guy that will have little if any positive affect on the team and you lose a player to do it.
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Yes.
If we called up Nelson, no corresponding 40 man move would have to be made.
by Greg Stanwood on May 14, 2010 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
I am on board w/ that instead then
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So they did.
That means the spot is now open for Herrera, without a DFA.
by Greg Stanwood on May 14, 2010 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions
noooo
I wanted him to get a shot
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by Andrew Martin on May 14, 2010 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions
So did I.
He was the first Rockies prospect I ever began following.
by Greg Stanwood on May 14, 2010 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions
i think mine was Jeff Baker
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 14, 2010 4:10 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
he was one of my favorites in OOTP
he was like 10 stuff, 3 control, 9 movement (on a scale of 10)
he was TERRIBLE
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by Andrew Martin on May 14, 2010 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Sounds like Morales.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on May 14, 2010 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Herrera
Sucks about EY, but the positive side is that this kid gets a shot. I was impressed with what I saw during his brief stay in 2008 and I’d like to see him get a start here and there this time around. Let’s see if he’s a big leaguer.
Herrera wasn't terrible when he was here.
I just don’t know what to think. I’ve been pretty optimistic, but this injury bug worries me. Hopefully, we get everything out of the way by June and haven’t fallen too far behind by then.
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My memories of him...
are that he was very slick and confident in the field and hit a fair number of balls hard at the plate (line drive hard, not big fly hard).
He’s earned another look.
I think he is solid as an emergency fill in for a couple weeks
he plays solid D. He may not be anything spectacular at the plate, but I don’t think we will have much to complain about.
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I just checked the depth chart on the Rockies site to see who's backing up 3rd
Mora, but interestingly, Stewie is backing up 2nd. And CDI is the starting catcher. G Smith is listed in the bullpen. It says the depth chart was verified today.
http://colorado.rockies.mlb.com/team/depth_chart/?c_id=col
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Perhaps it's verified every day that nothing is explicitly changed?
After all, it only lists 4 starting pitchers, so hard to see how it can be comprehensive?
ugh another injury
at least we are getting some starting pitching back
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I went to sleep last night pretty depressed about this team
but I woke up feeling a lot better. I was looking through box scores and just generally thinking about our offense, and I think this team is starting to get it together a little offensively. There is still room to get quite a bit better, but things aren’t bad in that department. The D needs to get better still, its been too sloppy, but the players are in place to make that happen. I think the weakness right now is pitching in general, and I am hoping that injuries are the main issue in that. We are starting to get healthy, so that could improve a lot, very soon. I think DLR is a major loss that we can’t replace right now, and that will hurt, but otherwise we might be in a position to get on a roll, hopefully starting today.
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I'm probably alone in this (because I'm kind of crazy),
but I want to see Chris Nelson get a shot. Yes I know he hasn’t played much over the past couple of years due to injuries and isn’t HITTING all that well so far in Triple-A, but he is getting on base and still (in my opinion) has tremendous upside.
So, I’m officially starting a FREE CHRIS NELSON campaign.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on May 14, 2010 11:21 AM MDT reply actions
does the campaign hand out free hats?
if so, I may be interested.
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I prefer buttons, but I am interested too
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Nelson has barely had any playing time this year.
He’s only a week removed from injury.
by Greg Stanwood on May 14, 2010 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
At this point
I’m starting to think everybody is just a week removed from injury, either past or future…..
by Junction Rox on May 14, 2010 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
did the new Vince Vaughn movie come out already???
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Hahaha
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on May 14, 2010 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions
I KNOW THAT, as I mentioned it in my post.
But I still think he’s a better option than Herrera, plus he’s already on the 40-man.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on May 14, 2010 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Chris Nelson just came off the DL I thought.
Herrera looked good in ST, give him a shot.
by CentralCaliRox on May 14, 2010 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions
If we don't win today..
I dunno what I’ll do. Probably be the lowest point of the season if we go down.
Agreed.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on May 14, 2010 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions
I know Livan is due to get blown up but he does have a 1.04 ERA so far.
I wouldn’t be shocked if he has a decent outing, and we clearly know the Nats can score runs. Our chances are better knowing we have Ubaldo but nothing is a certainty.
And not to be a Debbie Downer but things can get much worse than losing tonight.
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this is what I am fearful of
I am very down on the approaches or lack thereof in our situational batting…
I mean john lannon shut us down yesterday…and he sucks. And this is becoming a common refrain. If we dont blow someone out, we cant win. and when we do blow someone out, we can’t hit the rest of the game and the next. ahhhh
nothing winning cant solve…just extremely negative right now…
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by El Paso Jeff on May 14, 2010 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions
It's important to remember that any MLB pitcher can beat any MLB team on any given day.
While it may feel frustrating over the long term, citing Lannan succeeding against us as some sort of travesty isn’t really intellectually honest. That’d be like the opposing team looking at Jason Hammel’s stats going into a game and after a good outing, saying the same thing. They’re MLB pitchers; they can win games.
by Greg Stanwood on May 14, 2010 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Lannan gave up four runs in 4.2 innings. Is that really shutting the Rockies down?
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i know, but i certainly felt like it....
I never let facts get in the way of emotions, but the reality was we never really were in that game.
Washington’s a dangerous team, we cant let their main weakness (pitching) become a strength.
And again this is me lashing out at my team cuz I’m sick of watching bad AB’s, Bad fielding and Bad pitching…EVERY OTHER GAME!!
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by El Paso Jeff on May 14, 2010 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions
I felt like the team was in it late, could have pulled ahead
if the bullpen hadn’t fallen apart (which I blame as much on the horrible horrible conditions as anything else). Should have called it in the bottom of the 7th when it was 7-6, I’m willing to forget anything after that due to the weather.
I hear you though, the inconsistency with the team has been extremely frustrating.
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so stop watching
this is what it is right now
we are a frustrating, inconsistent team, that continues to be injured and yet still hovers right around .500.
We’re not going to get massively better until we get our starters all back and healthy, and until then, we’re going to have to grin and bear it.
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by Andrew Martin on May 14, 2010 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions
how bout bear and grin it?
can I get a picture of this please?
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by El Paso Jeff on May 14, 2010 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions
only if it's bear
not bare
because then it’d fall outside the T/C of the website
well…
depends on who’s doing the grinning.
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by Andrew Martin on May 14, 2010 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions
I think its more that
many (including Tracy) were looking at the Halladay win as a “turning point” and to follow that up with getting shelled by Wash and then having Uball lose to PR-enemy Livan would be a nightmare.
Makes sense.
Between the injury & illness issues, last night’s weather craziness and the fact that tonight is no “gimmie” game I’m hesitant to read too much into the outcome. Losing would be frustrating to be sure.
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Olivo and Stew were the difference last time we faced Livan
This game figures to be decided by a run or two. Olivo has heated back up again, lets see him take Livan deep!
The weather may be a factor also..
any of you Denverites have an update?
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Isolated showers after about 3, chances increase as the night goes on.
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Thanks,
doesn’t sound too promising does it ? Is there a limit on how many games can be called in one series?
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It could be pretty similar to last night.
As long as there isn’t an early rain delay to start the game they should be able to get it in. Could go either way.
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I think the weather should be superior to last night, easily.
by Greg Stanwood on May 14, 2010 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Not that that would be hard to do.
It’s still going to be rainy.
by Greg Stanwood on May 14, 2010 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Well it should be slightly warmer which will help.
Still a similar chance of rain though. Hopefully it won’t be as heavy.
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Forget dark clouds, it's already raining and lightning here, 8 blocks from Coors Field
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Think it will pass by game time?
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I have no idea, since my window faces east
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ahh...makes sense..
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It's just...
how much more moisture can the field absorb
and raining now mean they can’t be working to repair last night’s damage.
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I really feel like this is becoming a disadvantage to the Rockies.
Sure, the one delay was helpful to get Tulo back, but at some point this has really got to be messing with the players. I know the other teams have to deal with it too, but we’ve now faced weather problems in three series, while those teams can get in and get out. Frustrating.
And next week it's going to be beautiful in Denver
And the Rockies are on the road. I’m really starting to think the baseball gods hate us.
The Colorado Rockies aren't a team, they're an armada.
Yep.
And given our luck so far, we’ll probably run into weather problems on the road, like in Chicago or something.
Just looked at the forecast for Chicago
It’s calling for rain Monday and maybe Tuesday.
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Quita el agua
y pon el sol!!!
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Tonight's game has been postponed
Stupid rain…
The Colorado Rockies aren't a team, they're an armada.
Look at it this way
The last time Ubaldo pitched on a Saturday, it went quite well.
The Colorado Rockies aren't a team, they're an armada.
Note that I'm not blaming Fox for this one.
Including tomorrow’s day game, we’ll have had three games this season blacked out, but only one was actually originally scheduled that way.
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
Ubaldomania.
by The Lodo Magic Man on May 14, 2010 5:06 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I doubt they had time to get the field into playing condition from yesterday
never had the opportunity!
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Renck tweeted that the grounds crew worked miracles, but still doubted the game would get in.
Sounded like the field would have been ready if the weather cooperated.
Aw man
I just turned up to say that in my 2k10 game tonight Ubaldo pitched a 4-hit complete game shut out and Hawper hit a grand slam. I was SO SURE it was an omen.
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