The "Unsustainable" Ubaldo: The Strand Rate
The Strand Rate: Currently, 91.7% of baserunners allowed by Ubaldo Jimenez are left on the basepaths.
A point you'll see brought up by somebody in any conversation on the Internet about Jimenez is the "ridiculous" or "extremely lucky" strand rate, that is to say the amount of runners he leaves on base (it's listed under LOB% at most sites, including FanGraphs). The theory behind these statements is that strand rates are completely out of a pitcher's control and while they'll fluctuate around the league average (right around 72%) they'll try to find their way back to that home.
For this statement to be completely true, we would expect the league leaders in LOB% in any given year to be a random mix of pitchers, with a few elite guys and a few bottom of the rotation surprises popping in to your standard mix of #3's and #4's. The problem is that the leaderboards are almost all elites or very good pitchers, with a few J.A. Happ types popping in to mix it up a little.
2009:
- J.A. Happ 85.6%
- Matt Cain 81.6%
- Adam Wainwright 80.4%
- Chris Carpenter 79.5%
2008:
- Johan Santana 82.6%
- Jake Peavy 82.2%
- Daisuke Matsuzaka 80.6%
- John Lackey 80.2%
2007:
- Cole Hamels 78.7%
- Johan Santana 78.3%
- Jake Peavy 78.3%
- Erik Bedard 77.7%
Others of note:
- 2000 Pedro Martinez 86.6%
- 1997 Randy Johnson 84.5% (2002 83.0%)
- 1995 Greg Maddux 82.2% (1994 78.8%)
- 1985 Dwight Gooden 86.9%
Pedro's 2000 LOB% is the highest in the last twenty seasons, not coincidentally, it's also considered one of the greatest pitching seasons of all time. Going back to the best LOB% in the last thirty years, Doc Gooden's 1985 has the post 1969 ERA record of 1.53. So what I'm pointing out here is that when elite pitchers have elite years, they tend to have extremely high strand rates to go along with them. In other words, high strand rates appear to be one of the results of a well pitched season as often as they are the cause of a lucky one.
One of the key reasons why this is has to do with the strength of contact allowed by these elite pitchers. If hitters are only getting aboard via Texas League singles and walks, their scoring chances will be infrequent. In 2000, Pedro Martinez's slugging percentage allowed was just .259. In 1985, Dwight Gooden's SLG against was just .270. So that Jimenez is currently at .239 suggests that the reason his strand rate is so high is that baserunners aren't getting past first base off him as often as they would be against lesser pitchers.
It's not hard to see that this has been the case. In his last start against the D-backs on Wednesday, only two baserunners made it to second, and only one (Kelly Johnson, who led off the top of the first with a double) got there with less than two outs. Against the Astros in his start before that, there was just one opposing baserunner that reached second.
The argument that Jimenez's strand rate will fall precipitously later this season doesn't necessarily hold water if we're looking at this 2010 season as a career defining year. Let's turn the argument on its head: if he's going to win the Cy Young and post a mind-boggling sub 1.50 ERA, it will be necessary for him to keep that LOB% as high as possible, in fact, for the record breaking ERA, we would also almost have to expect the LOB% to be record breaking for this era, 87% or higher.
Probably one of the most eye-popping statistics of Jimenez's season to date would be when you look up how pitchers have fared in bases loaded situations thus far in 2010, you won't find his name listed anywhere. In fact, he hasn't pitched in a runners on second and third situation at all, either, and in over 70 innings pitched, with 267 total batters faced, he has had multiple runners on for just 15 of them. Again, if I'm looking for the type of season that would break Doc Gooden's 1985 ERA mark, this sort of preternatural ability to keep out of jams would be part of what I'd expect to see.
To sum up, the major problem I have with absolute statements that Jimenez's season will fall short of Gooden, of Pedro, of Bob Gibson even, is that people seem to be looking for what a season within the "rules" would look like, when the real question we need to be answering with this right now is what an exception to those rules is (kudos to David Brown for trying precisely this). So far, Jimenez is looking nothing short of exceptional, and while his chances of maintaining it may be slim, if this is the start of the mother of all pitching seasons we're looking at right now, it's about exactly what I'd expect to see.
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There' certain stats I understand being lucky,
However one’s strand rate I see being at least partly skill, being able to focus with a runner on base, ability to pitch out of the stretch are all factors that could result in a higher strand rate, then the league average.
by Chacinisthefuture on May 28, 2010 10:00 AM MDT reply actions
Great article RG
this is why I keep coming back to the Row day after day – good in depth look at what is happening with the Rockies!
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I TOTALLY agree...best articles ever!
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The balance I have trouble striking
is whether to compare “unsustainable” numbers to a league average or to a career average. Like you said in the article, about a 72% strand rate is normal, and Ubaldo sports a career 73.3%. So for LOB%, it’s kind of moot, but when we want to talk about things like BABIP, etc, I’m always wary about just assuming league average.
The league has never hit Ubaldo that well, the free pass is what got him in trouble. But sitting at a nice 3.03 (how appropriate) BB/9, he’s making them work for it now. And they’re hitting him even worse now.
The point I’m slowly and clumsily building toward is that statistical metrics have never been able to capture breakout seasons well. Stats are all about tempering expectations. They regress things to league average (or career average or whatever) so that when a ridiculously hot player starts to perform like normal again, the pundits aren’t screaming for his head or whatever.
That all said, I do think it’s conceivable for Ubaldo to keep up some absurd run, to some extent. Maybe not Gibson or Gooden level, how about Kevin Brown’s 1996 or 1998? (See what I mean about tempering expectations?)
Great article RG. I hate having to tapdance around stuff like LOB%, etc.
The thing that makes me think a Gooden/Pedro season may in fact be possible
And I’m not saying it’s likely, just possible, is that from a pure quality of stuff perspective, Jimenez’s pitches are a lot closer to them than they are to a guy who was merely very good in his prime like Brown.
Totally.
The problem with a guy who might put up a “best ever” type season is that nobody wants to admit that one of baseball’s sacred cows might be toppled. Doc and Pedro are kind of where the bar is set, and when Ubaldo comes along and isn’t punching out 11 guys per 9, people like to point to the variability of the hit (or the non-hit, in this case) and basically discredit someone like Ubaldo based on the fact that he’s relying on the weakly hit grounders to be converted to outs. Which is fine, frankly, because it’s not as if he’s getting lineout double plays every time a batter reaches first.
Point is, it doesn’t matter how good or lucky or whatever a pitcher is pitching. There is always a bar set in the past, so that people can always say “Yeah, Ubaldo is dominating right now…but he’s no 2000 Pedro Martinez”.
With a little (continued) luck and a lot of (continued) dominance, hopefully we can be saying “Neftali Feliz? Yeah, he’s a stud, but he’s no 2010 Ubaldo Jimenez.”
by Andrew Martin on May 28, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
oh and for those wondering I mean Doc Gooden, not Doc Halladay.
by Andrew Martin on May 28, 2010 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
also I should've said
“He’s no 1999 Pedro Martinez”
Because oh dear Lord, Pedro Martinez was…I can’t even describe how good he was.
ERA alone, 2000 Pedro Martinez
Peripherals/FIPwise (also WINZ), 1999 Pedro Martinez.
It’s mindblowing that one pitcher in consecutive seasons basically sated both forms of analysis.
by Andrew Martin on May 28, 2010 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Would we be having this conversation about "unsustainabilty" if
this were being done by Lincecum, Wainwright, Carpenter or Halladay? Probably not.
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I was thinking more on the national level.
I tend to think it would not even be a question. Or if Ubaldo pitched anywhere other than Coors. Do you see what I mean?
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I see exactly what you mean
this is why I was so pessimistic earlier this season about his chances at the CY, because Lincecum is the 2-time reigning award winner and Roy Halladay was awesome in the AL, clearly he’ll be friggin superman in the NL.
This is why Ubaldo would seriously need to post like a 1.5 ERA to really nail it down and shut everyone up.
by Andrew Martin on May 28, 2010 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
Off but on topic
Are Lincecum’s current control problems just the beginning?
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by frightened inmate #2 on May 28, 2010 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm optimistic, but ...
… I’m going to be surprised if Ubaldo finishes with a sub 1.50 ERA. You need to dance around a lot of bad luck to keep your ERA that low.
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To do it he'll need to average right around a 1.75 ERA from here on out
assuming he gets 23 more starts this season. To be on the safe side, that’s 31 more runs or less he’d be allowed to give up. I think I’d finally become confident that he could manage this if he gets the ratio of max runs to starts left down to 2:1, so yeah, eight more shutout starts like Wednesday and I’ll be fully on board.
As it is though, I’m not going to be the one to say that it isn’t going to happen.
"The Strand Rate: Currently, 91.7% of baserunners allowed by Ubaldo Jimenez are left on the basepaths."
The rest allow themselves to be caught stealing out of fear.
Oh wait, wrong thread.
Clearly a 92% strand rate is unsustainable, and we should expect some regression – anyone who thinks Ubaldo is going to finish 27 – 3 is kind of out there. I think it’ll eventually settle on 81, 82% strand rate and he’ll end up with a sub-2.75 ERA, which is kind of ridiculous.
Is Jerry Angelo fired yet?
Is Vinny Del Negro fired yet?
meh, it's just the humidor
I want him to show up Pedro and Doc just to shut everyone up.
by Andrew Martin on May 28, 2010 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm seriously wondering what excuses everyone will make for it
by Andrew Martin on May 28, 2010 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
WAR, xFIP, IP, better team record, etc.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 28, 2010 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Ubal is on course for like 230-240 IP
really hard to argue with that
by Andrew Martin on May 28, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
But Halladay will probably have more
I mean, that was the argument on BtB for starting Halladay in the ASG.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 28, 2010 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Here's a question for you
I have 2 pitchers with equivalent WAR. They are the best 2 pitchers in their league. Pitcher 1 has the lower ERA/equiv, but fewer innings pitched. Pitcher 2 has the higher ERA/equiv, but pitched more innings.
I’m suggesting a 0.2 ERA/equiv difference and a 20IP difference (just ballparking, the point is more that their differences aren’t night and day). Both were Aces of their staffs.
Who wins the CY?
by Andrew Martin on May 28, 2010 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Don't forget blaming the division.
They’ll find the fact that he pitched in SD, LA and SF a few times very convenient. “Just look at how few runs were scored in those parks” and “Everybody knows the NL West was no good anyway”. (Even if 4 teams finish over .500, that one never goes away…)
Coors Field will suddenly be irrelevant. Possibly even re-branded as a pitchers park due to the awesome power of the mysterious humidor…
by Junction Rox on May 28, 2010 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Timmy?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 28, 2010 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Totally different situation
Don’t ask me how it differs, but I have no illusions Ubaldo’s success will get the same reception Timmeh’s did…
by Junction Rox on May 28, 2010 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Timmy strikes everybody out
Ubaldo has just been lucky and has a great defense to bail him out. Obviously an inferior pitcher.
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wow, wouldn't that be something..
a pitchers park…my head is about to “asplode” with all the possibilities. :)
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Coors Field....pitchers park?!?!?

Ubaldomania.
by The Lodo Magic Man on May 28, 2010 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHA--exactly, thanks!
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i just looked up the park factors and it was surprising
right now we’re 15th in doubles and 14th in triples. usually we lead those categories. we’re 4th in HRs which is about where we usually are and 3rd overall which is standard as well.
but the lack of triples and doubles so far is surprising.
by purplesocks on May 28, 2010 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
The doubles
are Todd Helton’s fault for not hitting them as much
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thats what i was thinking as well
i imagine that those rankings will normalize as our team heats up going into the summer
by purplesocks on May 28, 2010 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
I blame Smith and CarGo
back-to-back homers every day = fewer doubles
by Junction Rox on May 28, 2010 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
The East Coast Baseball Fandom Mafia would never give up their ragging on Coors Field offense.
Their first target would be Jimenez’s division, and then accusations of cheating.
by Greg Stanwood on May 28, 2010 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions
ball tampering!
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by Hollidayrain on May 28, 2010 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions
They turn up the humidor 5000% during Ubaldo's starts.
by Greg Stanwood on May 28, 2010 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Those aren't baseballs he's throwing
they are actually dumplings from Grandma Monfort’s kitchen…
by Junction Rox on May 28, 2010 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Ublado
had the better defense behind him and therefore it wasn’t just him doing everything.
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I think this might actually be a bit pessimistic at this point.
At least as far as the ERA. The strand rate at 82% for the season means he’d average around 78% for the rest of the year, which I could see for a career year like this one seems to be shaping up as. A 2.75 ERA for the season would mean he reverts back to last year Ubaldo with a 3.58 ERA for the remainder of his games, and I really think that he’s going to be a lot closer to 3.00 even or below given the step forward he’s taken this year.
When he finishes 25 and 4 with a sub 1.00 ERA you are going to look so wrong.
Ubaldomania.
by The Lodo Magic Man on May 28, 2010 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Not as wrong as most people,
I’m the one arguing that this is certainly within the realm of possibility, remember, you aren’t really getting that anywhere else.
Another thing, I think one of my main points here with this post is that people saying
“27-3” aren’t nearly as out there as some are making them out to be. Again, Jimenez isn’t really doing anything yet that says this isn’t going to be exactly that kind of mind blowing season. We all expect him to come down to earth, but there’s nothing to suggest that it’s a law set in stone that he has to.
BTW, cool story from a coworker
[buddy] called me yesterday morning. He was biking in Wash Park and saw Ubaldo finish his running. Said he wondered if it was him – that it looked like him – then he got in to a white H2 Hummer…so [buddy] went over and talked to him. Said he was really nice and talked to him for a minute or two…
lucky guy!
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Ubaldo goes running at Washington park?!!
Just 5 minutes away from me. Whoa.
by Greg Stanwood on May 28, 2010 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Unlikely, yes. Unsustainable?
For something to be unsustainable, there must be some inherently limiting action involved. For example “spending more than you make every month is unsustainable because eventually your credit will be trashed and no one will lend you more money” or “the way this guy is pitching is unsustainable because the torque he puts on his wrist will cause injury” (apparently Ubaldo had some motion like that early in his career and it’s been corrected by coaches over the years).
I think what people are trying to say by “unsustainable” is that it’s statistically improbable for Ubaldo’s LOB% to stay where it is. But then, a run like Ubaldo is on this year is statistically improbable in the first place, yet it’s happening. Saying essentially that things eventually average out is true, but it’s the deviations from average and the long streaks of statistically unlikely events that make this game so much fun to watch.
So why do these nameless someones talk about Ubaldo’s strand rate? I think it’s either opposing fans trying to give themselves hope by saying he’s “lucky” or (as RMN has alluded) it’s his own fans trying to temper their expectations so as to avoid disappointment.
I think such analysis is very useful after the fact to go back and look for what accounted for an awesome season, and to see if any lessons can be learned so it can be replicated. It’s also probably good as fans to remember that this is an incredible event we’re witnessing and not expect it to go on forever. But in the meantime, just enjoy the ride! Coors Field should be absolutely packed when #38’s on the hill. After all, a season like Ubaldo is having is statistically unlikely to happen again. :-)
this brings up a good point,
a lot of times you’ll be able to figure out that the fans have agendas for other pitchers when they are saying this, just as fans should easily be able to tell that I have an agenda for Jimenez. I’d probably be saying something similar were the situations reversed, but in the meantime, I’m telling them to stick it. This is possible, and whether they want to believe it or not, it’s not a sure thing that Jimenez won’t have a season for the ages when all is said and done.
To give an example of one such conversation, where the strand rate was brought up, read the comments in this thread at FanGraphs.
Fans have to do *something* between games...
Thanks for the link. This author could make his point (and establish his own classiness at the same time) by saying “Ubaldo Jimenez is having a great year, but let’s not overlook Jaime Garcia”. You don’t have to say Jimenez’ success is based on luck to make the point that Garcia is doing well.
The fact is that both Garcia and Jimenez have worked harder to get where they are than most of us can even imagine and both are having fantastic seasons so far. At the end of the year, one will have the better season and there’s no amount of statistical analyses we can do now to determine who that will be. It does really bother me when some schmoe at a keyboard feels the need to disparage someone like Jimenez to make “his” guy look good in his own mind though.
by RoarFrom112 on May 28, 2010 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
There's certainly skill to strand rate.
The more you strike out and the fewer you walk or let hit HRs, the fewer will score. Think of it this way: the first runner in an inning is usually harmless, but the second could score the first, or at least pretty much guarantees that if a third reaches base, the first will score. On-base events (hits or walks) have two valuable components (other than not making an out): they advance other runners and they advance you. The first guy on-base in an inning is wasting his value of advancing other runners. For subsequent baserunners, the value of the “advancing others” piece continues to grow.
But while there’s a skill, you’ve sort of set up a false dichotomy here: all skill or not skill. You imply that because the latter was disproved, the first must be true. It’s not. it’s a mix of skill and luck.
Another problem created by looking at the leader boards is that we tend to think some pitchers are better than they really are BECAUSE of their luckily-high strand rates. Take Daisuke’s 2008. He was a 4.00+ FIP guy, but people still think he’s a stud because the low strand rate kept his ERA in the 2.00s.
Because strand rate is part skill and part luck, you don’t see very much awful pitchers on the leader board. That will be made up of good and great starters who are getting lucky. A lucky bad pitcher will merely creep up into an above-average strand rate.
I thought that this is what I was trying to point out by mentioning how you
have pitchers like Happ sneak into the list in the second paragraph. I really hope that I didn’t give the impression that high strand rates are all skill to anybody who reads this, what I am trying to say is that there is a direct correlation between the historically great ERA seasons and historically high strand rates. So if Ubaldo is going to have that kind of season in 2010, we should expect the strand rate to be way up there as well.
This was the most telling part of the article to me
when you look up how pitchers have fared in bases loaded situations thus far in 2010, you won’t find his name listed anywhere. In fact, he hasn’t pitched in a runners on second and third situation at all, either, and in over 70 innings pitched, with 267 total batters faced, he has had multiple runners on for just 15 of them.
He has a high strand rate largely because he is never in danger. Strand rate does not treat a stranded leadoff triple any differently than a guy who reaches first on a Texas Leaguer with two outs in front of the pitcher. Leaving a guy at first is far less lucky than being the world’s best traffic cop. He won’t keep the strand percentage that high, but he’s certainly capable of a legitimately high one on the basis that he avoid jams in the first place.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 28, 2010 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Ground-ballers / Strand Rate correlation?
Out of curiosity, does anyone here know if there’s a correlation between GB% and strand rate? Intuitively, it would seem that a pitcher who pitches to contact but plays in front of a solid defense is going to get more runners on and thus have a higher strand rate than a finesse pitcher.
When I watch someone like Aaron Cook or Scotty Erickson pitch I don’t get concerned about runners on first because I know they’re contact pitchers and those runners are likely to be double play targets or stranded and thus aren’t that big a threat. Runners on 2nd or 3rd are a big cause for concern though.
For the SABR-centric folks around here, other than being abused to make blog posts about how your pitcher is better and the other guy’s pitcher is just lucky, what is strand rate supposed to indicate? Other than fantasy baseball draftig and articles about luck I can’t find much about it.
It would be interesting to find the average strand rate for a given FIP range.
Might even be that FIP and strand rate aren’t perfectly in line — two different combinations of SO/BB/HR might given similar FIPs, but different strand rates.
If he maitains this and wins 25 games and a CY this year.
Would it be the top single season pro-sports accomplishment ever in this town?
Ubaldomania.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on May 28, 2010 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes.
I can’t even think of anything that we could compare it to.
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I was thinking about this
I can’t remember when I’ve been so jazzed about a player in my life. Every time he goes out there I’m almost expecting 8 shutout innings. And he delivers every time. He’s so exciting and electric to watch pitch, and that gets magnified by the fact that he’s a pitcher – i.e. we only see him every 5 days, and his “success” rate can be higher than a batter’s (a great batter fails, say, 55% of the time and has an 0-fer every few days. A great pitcher has a bad game less frequently). I mean he’s almost certainly more exciting so far than Larry Walker was in ’97. And I loved Larry Walker.
For comparison, Walker was at .407/.502/.758 with 17 2B, 15 HR, 13 SB, 51 R and 47 RBI through May in ’97. I take Ubaldo easily.
by controlled_slide on May 28, 2010 6:11 PM MDT up reply actions
I've talked to a couple of co-workers that have lived in Denver a loooooooong time.
John Elway never started a season like this.
Terrel Davis’ 2000+ yard season can’t really compare to this. The rest of that offense was wayyyy good..
Patrick Roy, his success was at the end of season and in the playoffs.
Ubaldomania.
by The Lodo Magic Man on May 28, 2010 6:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Because I'm already playing around on Baseball Reference
Todd Helton’s 2000 stats though May:
.421/.512/.825 with 14 2B, 17 HR, 54 R and 51 RBI, plus elite defense at first.
I dunno, did Sakic or Forsberg ever do anything like this? It wouldn’t mean as much to your median Denver fan, but purely on sporting merits we might be able to count something by one of them.
by controlled_slide on May 28, 2010 6:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Dear god, Todd was good
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