Rockies 11, Dodgers 3: Rox Crush Dodgers (Yes Really)
by Andrew T. Fisher on May 29, 2010 9:32 PM MDT
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PrintOne cannot break out of a spell lightly. It takes throttling the holy bejesus out of them, shaking them violently until they wake up and outright slug the one hypnotizing them in the jaw, knocking them unconscious, thereby ridding themselves of said curse forever. I'd like to think that happened tonight at Coors Field.
And what better day to make it happen? On the year anniversary that Jim Tracy replaced Clint Hurdle, the Rockies won for the 100th time (in 164 tries) with Tracy at the helm, against his former team no less.After losing 20 of their last 26 against the Dodgers, the Rockies finally beat up on Los Angeles, scoring in four of the first five innings on the way to an 8-0 lead against Hiroki Kuroda and Scott Elbert.
Kuroda failed to get his first career win in five career starts against the Rockies. Carlos Gonzalez homered in the second inning, extending the team's current game streak to 11 with home runs.
Seth Smith continued his torrid pace with two singles, a triple and two RBI. And hey look! Miguel Olivo had the same line. Olivo, the monster who hibernates away from the road and awakens in Colorado, is now 8-for-13 with 2 3B, 2 BB, 5 R and 4 RBI in his four games this homestand. Every Rockie (including Cook) got a hit and either scored a run or collected an RBI except Todd Helton, who walked twice.
Aaron Cook wasn't perfect, but he was very good. After the Rockies took a 5-0 lead in the third, Cook notched a quick 1-2-3 fourth. When Colorado pushed three more on the board in the fifth, Red again put Los Angeles down in order to follow. He took a three-hit shutout into the seventh before a Matt Kemp "triple" and Troy Tulowtizki error facilitated a three run inning.
This is the type of game Colorado sorely needed. Granted, it doesn't guarantee anything. The club pounced on Clayton Kershaw for a 9-0 lead and eventual 10-4 win April 26, 2009 only to stumble against Joe Torre's club the rest of the season. But it can't hurt. In fact, having Carlos Gonzalez, Seth Smith, Miguel Olivo and Troy Tulowitzki each on a ridiculous hot streak, any confidence will help in facing Kershaw tomorrow afternoon.
With the win, the Rockies pull back within one game of Los Angeles and 1.5 games back of Wild Card leading St. Louis.
WPA Heroes:
Aaron Cook (+.206): 6.1 IP, 3 R, 1 ER, 6 H, 2 BB, 1 H. 1-for-3, RBI
Carlos Gonzalez (+.115): 1-for-3, HR, 2 R, RBI, BB, HBP, two fantastic catches.
Seth Smith (+.077): 3-for-5, 3B, R, 2 RBI.
WPA "Zeroes":
Brad Hawpe (-.028): 2-for-4, 2 R, RBI, K, GIDP.
Ian Stewart (-.012): 2-for-4, 2 R, RBI, BB.
Dexter Fowler (-.002): 0-for-1.
Those three were the only Rockies with negative WPA's for the game. That's the sign of a team blow-out.
Aaron Cook (+.206): 6.1 IP, 3 R, 1 ER, 6 H, 2 BB, 1 H. 1-for-3, RBI
Carlos Gonzalez (+.115): 1-for-3, HR, 2 R, RBI, BB, HBP, two fantastic catches.
Seth Smith (+.077): 3-for-5, 3B, R, 2 RBI.
WPA "Zeroes":
Brad Hawpe (-.028): 2-for-4, 2 R, RBI, K, GIDP.
Ian Stewart (-.012): 2-for-4, 2 R, RBI, BB.
Dexter Fowler (-.002): 0-for-1.
Those three were the only Rockies with negative WPA's for the game. That's the sign of a team blow-out.
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I LOVE that graph!!!
"Good pitching will beat good hitting any time, and vice versa." ~Bob Veale
"I hope this game isn't horrible. Because if it is, we're going to have to wait until tomorrow to see the Rockies win." ~5-yo
"Sometimes you're the windshield, and sometimes you're the bug."~Mitch Williams
Good win
Instead of a bedtime story, I was teaching my daughter the Rockies lineup tonight. She was sad when Tulo flew out. “Tulo over.” (She’ll be 2 in a week)
Cook looked pretty good, but it seemed like he was giving up a lot of fly balls rather than grounders. He got the job done, but it wasn’t vintage Cook. I hope that this is a step back down that road, but I’m afraid the success might be an outlier if he can’t get the ball back on the ground.
Awww!
I let 5yo stay up to watch the whole game. The girls are already huge fans.
"Good pitching will beat good hitting any time, and vice versa." ~Bob Veale
"I hope this game isn't horrible. Because if it is, we're going to have to wait until tomorrow to see the Rockies win." ~5-yo
"Sometimes you're the windshield, and sometimes you're the bug."~Mitch Williams
by Rox the Casbah on May 29, 2010 9:48 PM MDT up reply actions
"We hef vayz uf making u Rockies fenz"
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Yep, proving y'all wrong
Todd Helton - Time for his ring to come true
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I like Rockies Smash
Lets do it again tomorrow
Stats are like a girl in a bikini, both would agree that Joe Morgan is an idiot
how does 2-4 with a walk get negative WPA?
Stats are like a girl in a bikini, both would agree that Joe Morgan is an idiot
It has to do with Clutchiness
See the GIDP and the K were in potentially clutch situations
But the 2 hits were after things were pretty secure.
"I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else" - W. Churchill
ABs/PAs earlier in the game
had more/less of an impact on the game.
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Never fails to get a question like this in a rout :)
He essentially made outs when the game was close and reached base when the game was decided, or by reaching base, he didn’t increase the chances of scoring much (as in singling with two outs)
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on May 29, 2010 10:05 PM MDT up reply actions
So do you agree that to some extent
WPA measures “clutch”?
"I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else" - W. Churchill
Not to totally open a can of worms
But I have been thinking about this lately
"I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else" - W. Churchill
To some degree, yes
It’s no surprise, though, that the WPA leaderboards at season’s end are the best players overall.
This season, Jason Heyward leads MLB in WPA, which kind of statistically justifies why everyone is gushing over him.
Also note that the WPA leaders this season so far are great hitters, but few that good at the end of last season. Usually a skill is reproduceable.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on May 29, 2010 10:48 PM MDT up reply actions
it kind of does
it will tell you who came through in a clutch situation. Whether or not that implies a clutch skill is entirely different, as these things can seriously vary from game to game, nevermind year to year.
Like when Cory Sullivan hit that ugly bloop single to LF against Esmil Rogers in Houston. Totally clutch.
Cory Sullivan’s entire career with the Rockies? Totally not-clutch.
WPA and its derivatives are good for determining who came through in game situations when they mattered or when they didn’t matter as much. 2-4 with a walk is a good night, for sure. The timing of the 2 hits and the walks didn’t really change the game that much, and the 2 outs that Hawpe made came when a positive result would’ve had a better chance of improving the team’s probability to win.
The reason that WPA is only used in a single season or what have you is that is has NO PREDICTIVE VALUE WHATSOEVER. It’s fun to look at who the big difference makers in the game were, but when you compare season-to-season results, it really doesn’t show any kind of consistent trend.
by Andrew Martin on May 29, 2010 10:46 PM MDT up reply actions
I see
So it basically measures clutch performance, but it is not predictive, hence it does not measure clutch skill. If it is really not predictive at all and it really is measuring clutch performance post hoc THEN I think that is the best evidence I have seen to suggest that “clutchiness” does not exist. I mean if we can measure and track it after the fact, but still cannot predict it then obviously it is random.
The point ATF makes above also strengthens this in that in a large enough sample size the players that perform in clutch situations the best are the same players that perform in every situation the best. – hence no special “clutch” factor. I mean there are not any otherwise statistically average guys that kill with WPA. If there were then that would be clutch.
"I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else" - W. Churchill
yeah, you've more or less summed up my thoughts on it
WPA is totally fun though. I love WPA. It basically quantifies when somebody said “[Player] won that game for his team”
by Andrew Martin on May 29, 2010 11:20 PM MDT up reply actions
I wonder what WPA thought of Kaz's. .
10 th inning GW Fielders choice with the bases loaded at CSP on Friday.
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by Charlie77 on May 30, 2010 1:12 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Yay.
This game = much better dreams than last night, I think.
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Also, Carlos Gonzalez is still a sexy man.
seriously
and I swear I was dreaming about posting here last night!
"Good pitching will beat good hitting any time, and vice versa." ~Bob Veale
"I hope this game isn't horrible. Because if it is, we're going to have to wait until tomorrow to see the Rockies win." ~5-yo
"Sometimes you're the windshield, and sometimes you're the bug."~Mitch Williams
by Rox the Casbah on May 29, 2010 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions
You may need to get out more
"I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else" - W. Churchill
that in any case
but it’s totally unrelated.
"Good pitching will beat good hitting any time, and vice versa." ~Bob Veale
"I hope this game isn't horrible. Because if it is, we're going to have to wait until tomorrow to see the Rockies win." ~5-yo
"Sometimes you're the windshield, and sometimes you're the bug."~Mitch Williams
by Rox the Casbah on May 29, 2010 10:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Every night these days I am dreaming I am Chris Ianetta
This is true. He’s not very good at sleeping well.
Let's take this series tomorruh!
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"We could have had Jesus on the mound and [the Rockies] still would have gotten hits." -Paul Lo Duca
"I mean come on, you can’t be from Nebraska and go to school at CU, I think they take away your overalls or one of your last remaining teeth for that."
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2 good young Pitchers
Should be a good game.
Kershaw owned us in LA I think it is time to pay him back for blemishing Ubaldo’s record and souring my day at Dodger Stadium
"I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else" - W. Churchill
I agree
Wholeheartedly
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"We could have had Jesus on the mound and [the Rockies] still would have gotten hits." -Paul Lo Duca
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by Hollidayrain on May 29, 2010 10:15 PM MDT up reply actions
I can't beleive I had to miss this
to watch the crappy hockey game with the inlaws, fffffffuuuuuu
less is Mora
that's cruel man
oww
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by Hollidayrain on May 29, 2010 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions
I love those "Zeros"
i love everything about this game really
Is that four tacos in your pocket, or are you just happy to see the Rockies scoring 7 or more runs?
by fantasyfencing on May 29, 2010 10:14 PM MDT reply actions
Thank you Rox!
for Dodger crush! First game I’ve gone to against the Dogs for many years because I’ve been 0 fer forever. Other than people in my section trying to start the wave in the second inning, the usual weekend yakety yakkers all around and a few tense moments in the top of the 7th the game was beautimous! And insurance runs in the 8th! I’m giddy! :)
Tornadough! Tornadough! Tornadough!
Yay! I was too busy watching the Stanley Cup finals and watching Halladay finish off his perfect game to keep up with this game too much, but I did have MLB gameday of it up and played it on the radio in the background. :)
Go Rockies! First and only member of the Manuel Corpas fanclub right here! :/
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yay finally beating up the Dodgers
lets do this every time
TULO = 2010 MVP!
Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
me too man
TULO = 2010 MVP!
Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
by TuLoRocks2008 on May 29, 2010 11:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe the Rockies should send down Fowler to Colorado Springs to get in some AB's and figure what's wrong with his batting.
Maybe having Fowler down in Colorado Springs, like Chris Iannetta’s stint recently, will be the spark he needs. Plus, give Matt Miller a taste of the big leagues (moving him onto the 40-man roster), similar to what Matt Murton did last season, and he can get a few pinch hit appearances while Fowler figures things out. Fowler still has options remaining since he jumped over Colorado Springs last year (ala Tulo several years back).
yep exactly
TULO = 2010 MVP!
Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
by TuLoRocks2008 on May 30, 2010 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm starting to think its more about getting Smith starts
but not losing CarGo or Hawpe’s bats more than anything. At this point, maybe Dex should go to AAA to get ABs, but it would leave our bench and outfield depth a little off.
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
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Alright Purple Row
It’s time to be more active over here. I love the rockies nearly as much as the nuggets, I should spend some time blogging it up. Currently I don’t get to watch any Rockies games, just catch them on internet radio broadcasts, but i follow them every day. Good to see us doing well. I still have questions about our bullpen, and Helton and Fowler have not exactly had the starts to the season I was hoping for, same goes for Barmy and Ianetta (Olivio has been a pleasant surprise though). I think the starting rotation looks pretty solid. I’d rather see Chacin pitching than Hammell once De La Rosa comes back. Ubaldo is of course amazing. Great win today, I hate the Dodgers, I hate all of the LA teams. Here’s hoping the Rox keep this momentum rolling
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I understand your concerns about Helton, Barmes, and Iannetta
Though I really can’t see what problems you’d have with our ‘Pen – other than injuries and Morales as closer (which thank god is over). I agree about Chacin and Hammel, but it will depend on how the two of them pitch in their next couple opportunities.
I don’t get to watch any games either – BUT if we win tomorrow (and I finish cleaning the living room and kitchen) I get to buy MLB.TV (per contract with my wife!)
Oh Yeah, Welcome – its a fun blog.
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Excellent bargaining skills
mlb.tv would be very nice indeed. I just have to wait one more month until I move back stateside, then it’ll be all Rockies all the time.
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Love how this game went.
Too bad that Ray Guilfoyle guy isn’t around to give us a replay. Typical Dodger troll.
-Joe
Project U-Ball is in full effect.
Can't believe Eric Byrnes is a FA in my Fantasy Softball League!
Yeah where is Ray?
I thought he would be around here preaching the benefits of Mannywood when..oops
SCOREBOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Charlie77 on May 30, 2010 1:17 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Good observation...where is Ray?
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
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What an awesome game to go to.
Booing Manny with the rest of the fans at Coor’s did not get old today. :)
by Skullduggerman on May 30, 2010 12:47 AM MDT reply actions
Awesome!
Nice to see the Rockies thumping the Dodgers hard after getting their winning streak snapped.
Looking to see more of the same against Kershaw in their next game. I hope Chacin comes up with another great performance.
Good to see this.
“They punished our mistakes,” Dodgers catcher A.J. Ellis said. “We weren’t able to get away with anything. We were behind in the count and that’s tough to do against a good, aggressive-hitting ballclub. They hunt the fastball, and when we were forced to throw one, they make you pay.”
Seems like maybe the club has fixed it’s approach at the plate. Hopefully facing kershaw and lincencum in the next two days doesn’t slow us down.
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by jcd823 on May 30, 2010 1:08 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Kershaw has it coming to him
and I don’t mean a week in the lap of luxury. Or a runaway win off the Rox. ;-)
Timmeh’s been getting lit up lately… hope Rox continue this trend, but he’s not gonna be happy. I’m excited about that game – been waiting to see Uball vs. Timmeh all season! Should be epic.
"Good pitching will beat good hitting any time, and vice versa." ~Bob Veale
"I hope this game isn't horrible. Because if it is, we're going to have to wait until tomorrow to see the Rockies win." ~5-yo
"Sometimes you're the windshield, and sometimes you're the bug."~Mitch Williams
by Rox the Casbah on May 30, 2010 1:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Dontrelle Willis most likely to be dfa'd in Detroit
With Apodaca as pitching coach i’d definitely take a chance, we need a long reliever and could use some starting depth in AAA not named Greg Smith.
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Sounds like I missed a rockin' game and game thread
I like games like this…the boots get nice and encrusted with Dodger blue. Let’s do it again tomorrow.
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by Paleface Destro on May 30, 2010 2:46 AM MDT reply actions
Err...today
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by Paleface Destro on May 30, 2010 2:54 AM MDT up reply actions
well, i had been pondering the decision for a little while
but i decided to buy a ticket to mondays game against the giants. i’ll be driving out to see the real freaky franchise take on the giants monday afternoon!!! leaving tomorrow morning, wish me luck!
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