Astros 5, Rockies 4; the ship, she is adrift, Captain.
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Really. There's still time to fix this thing. I guess if you're wanting some serious analysis: something that's striking to me is that in the last ten games, this is the tenth different lineup that Jim Tracy's tried. That's as far back as I counted. What I'm suggesting is that in his fishing quest to figure out what's working, maybe he's not realizing that it's the fishing that's not working. At some point you've got to pick your players, put them in and let them play. I don't care if they're my favorites, just try picking a lineup and sticking with it for awhile.
The inability of Rockies pitchers to dispatch second division hitters (the bottom of the Astros lineup, for instance) is also a bit disconcerting. Humberto Quintero and Tommy Manzella had all five of the Astros RBI today. I don't have a real answer there and would suggest it's probably bad luck, but if they are letting up, it's a problem.
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Still think this picture is a pretty good representation of the Rockies this year
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by UZ on Jun 10, 2010 4:25 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Time to shake some stuff up
Dealin’ Dan, it’s time to make a comeback. I have no specific suggestions for you. I just know this team needs to get jolted from its slumber. And we need a new bat or two in the lineup.
Go and do, Danny. Go and do.
I think it could be slightly less than that
but that’s a wonderful thought.
"Because I am a Rockie." - Todd
The Dodgers aren't really on a 95 win pace.
They’re barely over .500 in the Pythag record which is the better predictor of how things will go. 60 to 62 wins will probably cut it.
They have voodoo on their side now too though.
That pythag calculation doesn’t take that into account.
"Because I am a Rockie." - Todd
For all the good it's doing :(
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by UZ on Jun 10, 2010 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions
they also have the....
win every game against the Rockies luck as well
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
by Colsportsfan on Jun 10, 2010 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions
I completely agree with this
91-92 wins probably takes the division. I think this is going to go down to last week of the season.
"If you mess with us, we are going to answer back." - Troy Tulowitzki
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 10, 2010 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions
95 wins is probably to many to make the playoffs
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 10, 2010 4:37 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
So now what?
make a deal? find the right line-up? All I know is this team needs to light a fire in their ass and shit some lightning before it does become “too late”
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
I dunno what deal can be made
While I dig the “shake it up” spirit, I don’t see what we can realistically do to improve talent level. Our guys are good, just need to start playing better, really. As they say, its a game of inches: tulo makes a few plays in the 6th and we don’t give up so many runs…Gargo gets a bit more wood…etc. Just not quite making key plays…and then a fisted texas leaguer comes along and we lose…microchosm of the entire season.
And while Tracy certainly has lost his mojo, I don’t think the lineups are really to blame. Seems like every loss lately features a few key late game ABs by good hitters that end up outs, when a ball falling for a hit equals a win. That’s baseball. So it goes.
(FWIW, if we do make a lineup switch, I’d like to see Fowler back and force him to hit leadoff, with Cargo like 5th. Give it a try.)
the one thing I would change about the line-up
that would improve it drastically in my opinion is to put Cargo in a RBI spot. Enough of him hitting lead-off already
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
by Colsportsfan on Jun 10, 2010 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions
That's not
just your opinion
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
Also, why not try Olivo 2nd
He has enough speed up there, and having a little protection behind him would be nice.
yea something like...
Folwer
Olivo
Tulo
Hawpe
Cargo
Spilly/Smith
Stewart
Barmes
Pitcher
However that gets rid of the left/right/left match ups that Tracy likes so much and the fact that it seems like he is never going to take Cargo out of that lead off spot which infuriates me
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
by Colsportsfan on Jun 10, 2010 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Ah didn't see that I guess I meant to slide Helton somewhere in the 6th or 7th spot
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
by Colsportsfan on Jun 10, 2010 5:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Hawpe at first
no fifth outfielder in there
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
Because this team has made the playoffs 2 of the last 3 years....
…by making great runs after playing like zombies, there’s an expectation they can do it every year. But, realistically, it’s more likely that a mediocre team stays mediocre and that’s that.
We’ve just witnessed once-in-a-lifetime runs — twice. But it may never happen again.
Rather than sit back and wait for the ship to (maybe) right itself, I’m all for picking up the snow globe and giving it a good shake.
So, in that spirit, I’ll throw out a name that, I know, has less than zero chance of happening, but he’s out there:
Prince Fielder.
I understand about Helton and why we wouldn’t do him like this, but, in your heart, you know that Fielder can help this team win a championship this season.
But, like I said, it ain’t gonna happen…..
But you see this team is not as much mediocre as it is underachieving
That’s why it’s reasonable to think they will turn it around.
"If you mess with us, we are going to answer back." - Troy Tulowitzki
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 10, 2010 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions
But who's to say they won't underachieve all year long?
And who’s to say that a dramatic move won’t wake guys up out of the daze they’re in?
My main point, Fielder fantasies aside, is that we run the risk of falling into a dangerous trap around here because of those two big runs. Complacency when it comes to personnel is not such a good thing when you’re a fringe contender….
Law of averages say the Rockies won't underachieve all year long
The Rockies played better today. That’s a start.
"If you mess with us, we are going to answer back." - Troy Tulowitzki
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 10, 2010 5:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Are we sure they're just underachieving?
I’m not totally convinced that’s the case. The talent’s certainly there, but I’m not sure O’Dowd’s put together the right mix. With no true leadoff hitter, you force one of your best run producers into the leadoff role, where he’s a marginal fit. That cascades down to the middle of the order then, where we’ve seen Helton at #3 much of the year and Olivio now at #5.
Add that to the fact that there are a plethora of boom or bust hitters on the squad (Cargo, Hawpe, Tulo, Olivio, Stewart, Barmes all fit that description) and it’s tough for the team to consistently produce runs. In a perfect world, Barmes would be replaced with a high-OBP 2nd Baseman who can hit leadoff and allow Cargo to slide down. Unfortunately, I don’t know that there’s a player that fits that description in the league, let alone on the trading block.
I'm pretty sure it's just them underachieving
Their pythagorean winning percentage says the Rockies should have been 34-25 (a .576 winning percentage) with what they have accomplihed so far this season. Combine that with a .201 batting average and a .612 OPS in the 7th through 9th innings and an 0-15 record when trailing going into the 4th inning and I’d say we have a team that is just underachieve.
Now I in no way think this is acceptable but I need to see more before I want to make a major move.
"If you mess with us, we are going to answer back." - Troy Tulowitzki
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 10, 2010 5:56 PM MDT up reply actions
thats what I would like...
this team to bring in an impact bat, but knowing how the Rockies organization are, they would never make a big move like that.
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
by Colsportsfan on Jun 10, 2010 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Hey
All love for Helton, but of course I’d love to add Prince…but at what price? You have to figure the tag would start at at least 2 of the 3 big pitching prospects and also probably someone like Seth Smith or CDI…who knows, but Milwaukee’s eyes would get awfully big. Then, of course, comes Prince’s contract…
Again, I appreciate the spirit of the shakeup and I’m all for something to get these guys out of the rut, but my guess is that we can’t/won’t make a high level, impact move. Maybe we can make a few lower level moves like “improving” at 2b or on the bench, or even snagging someone to play leadoff, but I just don’t see that “holy cow we’re in it to win it” move.
Well, we're in fantasy land here...
..when discussing Fielder and the roc but, what the hell, I’ll play.
if Milwaukee wants, say, Chacin, Rogers, Smith and CDI for Fielder, I say “what size uniform do you take, Mr. Fielder?”
If — and this is a big if — you’re committed to making him a serious long term offer and have him be your 1B for the next decade, that’s a deal well worth making. Not, of course, if you’re just renting him.
Anyway, we may as well be discussing how to turn the sky green, ’cause none of this will happen.
The answer to your question, by the way...
Is XXXXL. With extra baggy pants.
by MarshallMcCard on Jun 10, 2010 6:11 PM MDT up reply actions
I think there were several moral victories in this game
This is one the Rockies can build on and I think they will.
"If you mess with us, we are going to answer back." - Troy Tulowitzki
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 10, 2010 4:58 PM MDT reply actions
Specifically I'm talking about Todd hitting, a rally in the 8th, and better at bats overall
"If you mess with us, we are going to answer back." - Troy Tulowitzki
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 10, 2010 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions
It sure was nice to see Todd hit something
Maybe he turned it around. I just hope that Tracy doesn’t have him bat 3rd again, he just doesn’t have that power anymore.
Wow, RIRF, what happened to this guy?
“So after tomorrow’s game I don’t want to see anything about how the Astros were 7-3 in their last ten games coming in, how Paulino has pitched much better than his 1-7 record or how the Rockies have a losing record on Wednesdays. (They are 4-5 by the way) I want to see nine solid innings of baseball from this team and nothing less”
You’re right, of course, that there were some hopeful signs…but there weren’t nine solid innings of baseball!
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
"Cheap tacos are rightous!"-My Daughter
Today I'm upset with the result
On Tuesday I was upset with the effort. There’s a huge difference in my opinion.
"If you mess with us, we are going to answer back." - Troy Tulowitzki
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 10, 2010 8:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Fair distinction
I think as fans, it’s easy for us to make excuses for our team…nobody likes the band-wagon fans. Still I liked your rightous anger on Tuesday.
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
"Cheap tacos are rightous!"-My Daughter
You'll see angry RIRF again is there are any more efforts like the one on Tuesday
It wasn’t so much that we lost that game as much as it was the way we lost it, the lack of execution, and watching guys throw away at bats. I understand that the Rockies are not going to win every close game but I will not tolerate putrid efforts like the ones we saw earlier this week.
In short, I pick my battles.
"If you mess with us, we are going to answer back." - Troy Tulowitzki
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 10, 2010 8:53 PM MDT up reply actions
To elaborate; nine solid innings does not mean that the Rockies have to win
Sometimes you play solid and lose. I admit I didn’t see the whole game today but in the last few innings I saw a much better effort from this team. The only at bat I saw that I think resembled the garbage we saw on Tuesday night was CDI’s effort in the 9th. Helton had a big day, Giambi had a good AB in the 8th when there were runners on the corners (even though the result wasn’t what we wanted), and Cargo nearly tied the game with the swing he put on the ball in the 9th.
I think the failure to score early in the game had more to do with Oswalt than it did the Rockies offense as he was money today. (My expectations when we are facing a dominant Oswalt are different than when we are facing Paulino. Even though he has decent ERA this year had to face Helton, Hawpe and Stewart; all of whom have an OPS over 1.350 when facing Paulino. Tulo also had an OPS of 1.000 against Paulino before last night.)
On top of that, I think Chacin was a little unlucky in the 6th today. Even though he walked a couple to get into that mess I feel like if things were going the Rockies way Tulo gets the last out after that dive or that ball by Manzella doesn’t bloop in for a hit. (The bullpen was also very good today.)
Your point is a fair one because that probably wasn’t quite nine solid innings but it was a hell of a lot closer than what we saw on Tuesday.
"If you mess with us, we are going to answer back." - Troy Tulowitzki
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 10, 2010 8:41 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Plus, how many times does any team really play a FULL nine solid innings.
I mean, even in your best game I feel like there’s always going to be a bad at bat here and there, or some missed spots by the pitchers, or a defensive lapse, etc.
Not that today was necessarily the best possible effort, but it was a lot better than the last couple games, even it wasn’t a full nine innings worth.
Exactly
"If you mess with us, we are going to answer back." - Troy Tulowitzki
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 10, 2010 8:54 PM MDT up reply actions
This
Play as hard as you can as much as you can, and you’ll earn our respect. Batters will strike out against good pitchers (and less than good pitchers). Batters will hit popups. Not all dives will end up with caught balls. Just play hard.
This team has talented players. I’m not nearly as upset with today as I was the last two days. Hell, I expected us to lose this game before the series started.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
no, we'll all equate strikeout/popup with not caring and sucking and not playing hard
by Andrew Martin on Jun 11, 2010 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Not all at bats with bad results are the same though
Take Saturday’s game against the D’backs for instance. Dontrelle Willis threw six shutout innings against the Rockies but did it by throwing 56 balls out of 106 pitches. Nobody is going to convince me that the Rockies did not throw away at bats in that game and help Willis out big time with some of the junk they decided to swing at.
Compare that to Oswalt’s outing yesterday where the Rockies got two runs off him and he threw 72 strikes out of 96 pitches. I think it’s pretty obvious that the Rockies played a better game offensively yesterday and just ran into a great pitching performance.
Also, notice how yesterday the Braves just waited for Willis to self implode with his wildness as he walked six and was out of the game after four innings. (Atlanta ended up scoring 11 runs in that game after feasting on the bullpen) If the Rockies had a more patient approach in Saturday’s game I have no doubt they would have won.
"If you mess with us, we are going to answer back." - Troy Tulowitzki
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 11, 2010 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions
you make some good points
it’s very interesting how the Braves handled Willis compared to how we did. Patience seems to be something we are lacking.
In leadership,sometimes it comes strictly down to courage. We have to have courage within our organiztion today. It takes courage to be a Colorado Rockie.
....Keli McGregor 2007
Hey, at least we scored some runs after the fifth inning today! And we even hit a foul ball or two in the ninth inning!
This baseball team hurts my soul.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
Also… Chacin and whoever the Astros want for Lance Berkman. Do it right now.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
if I could photoshop
I’d make some old movie poster with THE TEAM WITH TOO MANY 1B
by Andrew Martin on Jun 10, 2010 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, you drop Giambi like a bad habit and ask Todd Helton if he knows who Rusty Staub is and if he understands that that’s who he gets to be now. Problem solved.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
The team is not going to do that to Todd Helton.
Especially not after 1/3 of a season.
Better to suggest solutions that might actually have a chance in Hades of happening.
That’s awfully disheartening since you’re suggesting that this team isn’t going to try to win at the expense of mollycoddling a star past his prime. You give Todd until the deadline and if he still isn’t hitting then he isn’t our first baseman anymore. There will be some names on the market – Berkman, Konerko, hell, maybe even Prince Fielder. But if this team doesn’t upgrade on Todd Helton at first base then I have some wonderful suggestions for October vacation destinations for the entire team.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
I'm not saying give it the whole season.
I’m just saying, I think they feel he deserves a little more time (and frankly, I agree). And who’s to say he’s not going to turn it around somewhat? I’m certainly not giving up on him yet.
I agree
There is no way Todd Helton continues to hit .239 with a .662 OPS for the rest of the season.
"If you mess with us, we are going to answer back." - Troy Tulowitzki
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 10, 2010 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Also, I think everyone agrees Todd is past his time. I'm sure even Todd agrees.
That doesn’t mean he can’t still be useful. Just because he hasn’t been yet this season, doesn’t mean it’s not going to happen.
I’m not saying he can’t be useful. I think he’d be a fine backup first baseman/pinch-hitter.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
But why do you think one third of a season is enough data to make that decision?
"If you mess with us, we are going to answer back." - Troy Tulowitzki
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 10, 2010 6:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Especially given presumptive vision problems
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
You get
A +1 for using the word “mollycoddling”. One of the best words ever.
No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously. - Dave Barry
Looks like I'm going to Ubaldo Day tomorrow.
That’s about all I have left to look forward to at this point. If he ever stopped doing what he does, I’d probably die of sheer depression.
Once upon a midnight dreary
while I pondered weak and weary…
/sigh
Tornadough! Tornadough! Tornadough!
Changes I'd make
and what do we have to lose at this point? What we’re doing with who we’ve got isn’t working. Time to try somehting else. What I’d do:
1. Bring Fowler back & put him in the leadoff spot fulltime.
2. Move Cargo to 3-4-5, take your pick. Tulo & Hawpe in the other 2
spots. EVERY DAY.
3. Bring up Nelson & give him a shot at 2B. If he does well,
2B problem solved. If he doesn’t, EY2 gets a real shot
when he heals & rehabs. Barmes to utility role.
4. Helton in the 8 spot. He’ll get better pitches to hit in
front of the pitcher’s slot. If he still can’t hit for a decent
avg., then, well, he takes the Giambi “bench player/leader”
role. Goodbye Giambino unless you want to play in Sept. again.
I can’t see trading top prospects or taking on huge salaries (Berkman,
Oswalt). If we were a player away from winning the Division, maybe
but we’re just not that close.
The only way to challenge for the Division: beat the Dodgers consistently the
rest of the year. Unlikely, based on history, but that’s the only way.
Mediocrity sucks
I agree with most of these suggestions
I’d put Cargo at 3 and Hawpe at 5 to surround Tulo. I think Tulo can carry the team in the second half in the cleanup spot when you consider what he’s done in his career during that half and the pitches he’ll see when batting between Cargo and Hawpe.
"If you mess with us, we are going to answer back." - Troy Tulowitzki
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 10, 2010 6:08 PM MDT up reply actions
We'll have to wait a while to beat the Dodgers
We don’t play them again until August but once we do, we play them 12 times in 44 games.
"If you mess with us, we are going to answer back." - Troy Tulowitzki
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 10, 2010 6:08 PM MDT up reply actions
I think those games are the key to who wins the division now
"If you mess with us, we are going to answer back." - Troy Tulowitzki
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 10, 2010 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Anyone else see Andy Marte make three errors in the first inning tonight in Cleveland?
"If you mess with us, we are going to answer back." - Troy Tulowitzki
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 10, 2010 6:10 PM MDT reply actions
It actually wasn't quite as bad as it looks, IMO.
Oswalt was very good. And, if you took this game independently of struggles in previous games, I don’t think anyone would be complaining too much. There were a decent amount of good at bats, Helton had two hits, we actually scored runs late, etc.
Agree
And Cargo juuuusssst missed that one in the 9th.
"If you mess with us, we are going to answer back." - Troy Tulowitzki
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 10, 2010 6:46 PM MDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t have minded as much if Giambi hadn’t pulled the SAME GODDAMN THING in the loss on the 8th.
Go Rockies! First and only member of the Manuel Corpas fanclub right here! :/
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by UZ on Jun 11, 2010 1:49 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm surprised that I'm not as annoyed about this one as I thought I'd be
That rally in the 8th was heartening. Last night’s game was much more depressing (at least the tickets were free).
I keep trying to convince myself that this isn’t just a middling, third-place-at-best-team…so far it’s working.
Paleface Destro, wildly hacking destroyer of rallies.
Recovering Mets fan since 2007.
by Paleface Destro on Jun 10, 2010 6:55 PM MDT reply actions
I concur. I think because either I've given up...or we showed some moxie.
Ubaldo Jimenez-That is all
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Yep, proving y'all wrong
Todd Helton - Time for his ring to come true
Matt Daley - He's pretty good
Quitter's People United Member #4
I'm thinking the latter
Paleface Destro, wildly hacking destroyer of rallies.
Recovering Mets fan since 2007.
by Paleface Destro on Jun 10, 2010 8:45 PM MDT up reply actions
PR: 1910-Style
First “mollycoddle,” now “moxie.”
I like where this baseballer-newspaper is perambulating.
Moxie doesn't win championships
Nor do moral victories.
There’s only one thing that makes champions: winning.
Time to start doing that.
The question hasn't really been starting pitching
Not for the most part, anyway. What we need to do is kidnap Andre Ethier. And clone him 8 times.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
so all of our good pitching will be wasted on even worse defense?
by Andrew Martin on Jun 11, 2010 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
At least we'd score a few runs in the process
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by Mondogarage on Jun 11, 2010 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Ha, Ha, Ha Red Sox
First they blow a 5-0 lead with Lester on the mound, then they come back to take a 7-6 lead with two down in the 9th on a Beltre home run only to blow it in the bottom of the 9th 8-7.
"If you mess with us, we are going to answer back." - Troy Tulowitzki
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 10, 2010 9:07 PM MDT reply actions
Or you could be the Twins
Fielding an army of Roger Dorn clones, then storming back with a bunch of runs in the 7th…
Paleface Destro, wildly hacking destroyer of rallies.
Recovering Mets fan since 2007.
by Paleface Destro on Jun 10, 2010 9:14 PM MDT up reply actions
What a wild day in baseball
The Rays, Yankees, Red Sox Twins and Phils all lose while the Orioles, Indians, Royals, Astros, and Brewers all win.
"If you mess with us, we are going to answer back." - Troy Tulowitzki
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jun 10, 2010 9:20 PM MDT reply actions
Would this fall under the heading of "Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!"?
Paleface Destro, wildly hacking destroyer of rallies.
Recovering Mets fan since 2007.
by Paleface Destro on Jun 10, 2010 9:26 PM MDT up reply actions
My kingdom for two contact hitters that are at least smart base runners...
Let’s see; who is available off the scrap heap; Hmmm. Carlos Delgado? even if healthy will he make contact? Jermain Dye? Ditto. Hank Blaylock? Signed to Tampa and a 50/50 DL shot. Rocco Baldelli? Possible but can’t play everyday. Omar Vizquel would be available for a modest price. Don’t even think of Milton Bradley…. Ty Wiggington plays 3B, 1B, 2B &LF; can he hit consistantly? The Orioles would need/want more than he’s worth. Vernon Wells? Ryan Douhmit for CDI? Juan Pierre? Too many$. Mike Lowell? Ditto We could ask Larry Walker for another good bye tour with Todd?
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Ask Florida about Jorge Cantu!
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Omar Vizquel is one of the worst players in baseball now (battingwise) and has no purpose in Colorado
We don’t need outfielders, Baldelli is somewhat pointless. Bradley can’t field, he’s out. Wiggy doesn’t want to leave Baltimore – I don’t trust his bat. Wells is being paid the stupidest contract in the majors not belonging to Ryan Howard. I don’t see why the Pirates would do a Doumit for Iannetta swap. Juan Pierre is terrible and needs to stay away from this team. Keep Lowell’s carcass away from this team as well.
I want to find a 2B. A decent 2B.
by Andrew Martin on Jun 11, 2010 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Chris Nelson
Sorry, I just say this every time.
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jun 11, 2010 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Part of this was sarcasm...
I am serious about Cantu. As for a decent 2B we crossed the bridge before the season started. The Rusty Staub role has been an honorable role for fading veterans an I think Todd should start thinking that way. Cantu Strikes out too much but he’s consistantly a .280 .500 .780 bat who can be had. I know you don’t like these stats but I won’t sneeze at 25 Dings and 85 rbi. That is only to make up for Todd’s lack of production. As for a second contact hitter; I don’t care what position they play so long as somebody is making contact at the top of the order. BTW Vizquel has had a good week.
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I think dingers are great, don't get me wrong.
Cantu hit 16 last year, 8 so far this year. Still not bad.
Thing is, are the Marlins gonna trade him?
by Andrew Martin on Jun 11, 2010 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Please, please, please
Stop with the “axe Helton” talk. I have to believe that he is just as frustrated as we are, but if the organization where to go after a big-name free agent and bench Helton, I think that would destroy the organization’s credibility.
The Rockies, from what I can see, are building a team with character players. Most of these guys have “grown-up” within the organization. No big egos to fulfill, no prima-donnas, nobody with a “me first” attitude. Just guys playing together, for the team. Lose together or win together, it doesn’t matter. Team first. I think that’s why Holliday is no longer with the team (he got a fair offer to stay, and doesn’t make much more with St. Louis now). And, I think that’s why CarGo may not be here very long, he seems to be looking for the big $.
So, on to my original point, if the organization were to mis-handle the Helton situation, what do you think it would do to the attitude of the rest of the team? I think it would severely discredit the front office and create a major trust issue in the club house.
true enough, but how long do you leave the 2nd-to-worst slugger among MLB 1B in the field?
I’m not saying trade him, because who would take him? I’m saying figure something else out.
by Andrew Martin on Jun 11, 2010 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
You have a good point, and I agree
Something needs to be done, but Todd’s bat isn’t the only one that’s asleep. I don’t think the Rockies, or fans for that matter, should throw Helton under the bus in a “do-anything-to-win” type fashion. So, they’re losing some games. We’re all frustrated with that, but I strongly believe that the team atmosphere should not be sacrificed for the sake of winning. Slighting a long-time, career Rockie would, IMO, be doing just that.
Barmes on the other hand? Well, the kid gloves should come off.
and I'm not saying we blame the team's struggles on Helton
or throw him under the bus. But this is clearly more than just being a sleeping bat. A sleeping Helton bat is .280/.380/.420
by Andrew Martin on Jun 11, 2010 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
You are correct
Helton’s struggles right now do seem to signal more than just a slump. The point I was trying to make is that Helton, good or bad, is still the senior player on this team, and he shouldn’t be forced out. I think he will remove himself if and when the time comes.
I don't think he will
I think he’ll keep playing until they force him out. He’s one of those guys who refuses to see the writing on the wall. Well, I partially take that back. The writing just started really being put on the wall this season. But he’s been operating on the assumption of playing time, maybe with a few reflective breaks.
Honestly, what’s freaking me out isn’t the batting average, it’s the strikeouts.
I’d wager they’re not being truthful about his back. Chron’s + Back = done for.
by Andrew Martin on Jun 11, 2010 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions
I completely disagree about Helton.
He has been the unquestioned leader and face of this franchise, no matter Tulo’s presence. If his back gets to a point that he cannot fix his swing or play solidly, I believe 100% he will retire graciously. He will go out on top as best he can. He cares too much about this franchise to do anything less.
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