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Tracy labels loss disappointing after blown save | All Things Rockies

Jim Tracy feels just like the rest of us after last night's inexplicable loss to Arizona: disappointed. The Rockies came into the game known for their bullpen strength, while the D-Backs were known for anything but that. It was the D-Backs' bullpen (mostly, Esmerling Vasquez) that stepped up last night, though, and the Colorado bullpen (and offense) that faltered late in the game.

I don't think that the Rockies' bullpen's blowup is the big issue here. They've been very good all season, but were snake-bitten by a little bit of bad luck last night. There were countless amounts of good pitches that were somehow lifted into the outfield for cheap singles, as well as pitches such as the one that Manuel Corpas threw to Ryan Roberts (a sinker below his knees) that were hit just well enough to sneak past the infield. There was Matt Daley's pitch to Chris Young, which was a few inches off the plate inside, and although Daley missed his location, Young was able to get the barrel on what is usually a tough pitch. The point here is that the for the most part, the only lack of execution on the part of the Rockies' pitchers last night was that perhaps they tried to nibble a bit too much and got burned by walks. However, I don't see the bullpen's performance as a negative issue going forward.

What does bother me is the offense continuing to show an inability to get to opposing teams' bullpens. Here is a prime example: the aforementioned Esmerling Vasquez has pitched 6.1 scoreless innings against the Rockies in 2010, racking up 11 strikeouts against only two walks and allowing no runs on just two hits. In 12 innings against everybody else? Ten runs on 15 hits, with a strikeout-to-walk ratio of 9 to 8. Some of that will change as the season plays out, as the Rox have posted just a .200 BABIP against Vasquez. However, they've struck out in more than half of their 21 at-bats against him. That may not change. Simply put, the Rockies must improve their late-game performance against Vasquez and everybody else. Otherwise, they will be in for a lot more of these kinds of heartbreaking losses. I know that won't make me feel very good, and I'm sure it will be meltdown city on the Row if that continues to happen.

More after the jump...

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If starting pitchers were stocks, Seattle's Felix Hernandez and Florida's Josh Johnson would be the top-rated commodities - ESPN
22 MLB executives voted, and they think that Ubaldo Jimenez will be the third-most valuable pitcher in baseball over the next ten years, behind King Felix and Josh Johnson. Some people are worried about his fastball being unsustainable, while others point to "odd injuries" that Ubaldo must have suffered as a minor leaguer, as I don't recall him being injured at the big league level. Either way, it seems that most agree that he is virtually unhittable.

Gonzalez taking D-backs deep - The Denver Post
Eight of Carlos Gonzalez's 25 career bombs have come at the expense of the D-Backs. As Rox Girl mentioned during last night's game wrap, all four of his leadoff homers have, as well.

Twitter / Tracy Ringolsby: LHP Greg Snith put on DL ...
Greg Snith (Smith) has landed on the minor league disabled list, which can be as little as seven days. According to Troy Renck, Smith felt fine after throwing yesterday and shouldn't miss much time.

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Last night blew!

Hopefully the we can light up Willis and the return of the “D-Train” to the NL isn’t a good thing for him….

by irishfever on Jun 5, 2010 8:49 AM MDT reply actions  

Quick question

how many picks do we get if both DLR and Hawpe leave?

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by TomCat009 on Jun 5, 2010 9:23 AM MDT reply actions  

Two firsts for Hawpe, but that would first require

a buyout of his 2011 option, and then an offer of arbitration, which he would have to decline.

De La Rosa should be two firsts as well, but with his injury time off, he may just be a type B guy. Last I remember I think he was a borderline Type A free agent. If he returns in a few weeks and pitches to his ability, he would likely summon two firsts.

by David OhNo on Jun 5, 2010 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

He is pretty solid in the last rankings I saw

Betancourt is a type A as well but nobody would give up two firsts for that guy, Olivo looks to be a B who is closing in on A status

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jun 5, 2010 9:30 AM MDT reply actions  

yeah I think the Street and Bets deals are Dan O'Dowd

learning a lesson about relievers that Hampton and Neagle taught him about starters

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by TomCat009 on Jun 5, 2010 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

Why did we re-up a closer when we had him under team control already?

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jun 5, 2010 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

This is his last year of team control.

The other two years we signed him are free agency years.

by Greg Stanwood on Jun 5, 2010 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Street thing doesn't bother me too much

even with his injury history, the Betancourt thing bothers me if only because it seem that relievers were in glut, and we had a black hole at second in a year where Kelly Johnson, Felipe Lopez, Orlando Hudson, and Placido Polanco were on the market.

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jun 5, 2010 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

i dont think that signing Bets prevented us from signing one of those 2b

Lopez signed for less than Mora, Polanco got a 3 year deal from Phily which we would never have given, Hudson was out of our price range too, and I don’t really remember anyone really talking about Kelly Johnson on their FA wishlists.

I think if we’re going to talk about bad contracts, the Mora and Giambi contracts were definitely the worst given out this offseason for two CI thus neglecting our MI

by purplesocks on Jun 5, 2010 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Andrew Martin

was all about Kelly Johnson, especially if we weren’t getting Lopez or Hudson.

There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK

by jrockies on Jun 5, 2010 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

i should specify that im sure there were some people that wanted KJ

and i wasnt here every day so im sure i missed a lot of the convos but among the DP, people I know, other rockies sites I go to there just wasnt the desire for KJ that there was for others especially Hudson

by purplesocks on Jun 5, 2010 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

So you'd rather see Street leave in his first FA season?

Who do we turn to then?

A healthy Street is 3 times more reliable than a healthy Corpas, who’s the best we have in our system until Rex Brothers is ready…

by Chrysicat on Jun 5, 2010 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Street is a good closer and 7.5 isn't a bad price

but if Hawpe leaves he will be behind only Helton and Cook as the highest paid Rockies.

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jun 5, 2010 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

What lesson is that?

That athletes get injured and have spells of being ineffective?

by Andrew Martin on Jun 5, 2010 10:03 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

that locking relievers up over several years is largely unwise

especially ones who have injury history.On the whole I am grateful to the Rockies front office for the work they have done developing players, and finding value through FA/Trade Channels. The Betancourt deal seemed well over market considering the deals guys like Kevin Gregg, Kiko Calero, and Beimel recieved. I know it is nitpicking and on the whole I like our team makeup but it does seem like an inefficiency.

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by TomCat009 on Jun 5, 2010 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

what was the arbi looking like?

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by TomCat009 on Jun 5, 2010 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

WIth arb, there's no guarantee, since if there was a disagreement, the Rockies could have picked something much lower and still won.

We basically didn’t want to take the risk of dropping that much on Betancourt for one season, so we offered him a similar amount of money for job security rather than quick salary.

by Greg Stanwood on Jun 5, 2010 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

Makes a lot more sense now

I am copacetic with the signing, I think I am just mad about yesterdays game…. that one will stick with me as we enter the stretch run.

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jun 5, 2010 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

he's been frustrating

He’s been insane with K/BB stuff and FIP wise he’s awesome, but his absurdly high BABIP is very very troubling.

by Andrew Martin on Jun 5, 2010 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

He’s got his best K and walk rates of his career, but his worst hits rate. I’m obviously not denying Betancourt hasn’t been frustrating,

by Greg Stanwood on Jun 5, 2010 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Erm

Not denying Betancourt HAS been frustrating.

by Greg Stanwood on Jun 5, 2010 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think anyone is

FIP loves him, xFIP loves him, and even tRA, which accounts for batted ball stuff, even thinks he’s doing very well.

I’m torn between the concept of BABIP induced variability in where hits fall and “he’s hanging too many” and honestly I think it’s just been the perfect storm of both. I mean, come on, you don’t punch out that many and walk that few and still sport an absurd ERA without SOMETHING unfortunate going on, and I absolutely refuse to believe he sucks and/or is “done”.

by Andrew Martin on Jun 5, 2010 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

i think honestly

that we all know that every other team in MLB would take him and plug him in the back end of there bullpen…we have to remember he fought the flu bug twice already this year and has had some bad luck…buy the end of the year…i think he’ll be back to the guy to getting setup role…whether it be in the 7th or 8th innings

by irishfever on Jun 5, 2010 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think he is "done"

but he is a late bloomer in his age 35 season it isn’t unreasonable to expect him to become less effective

Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students

by TomCat009 on Jun 5, 2010 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

It seems to me

as if he’s consistently just saying “here’s the fastball – try to hit it.” He throws the fastball 7 out of every 9 pitches. With a healthy 2.44 Strike per ball ratio and insane K/BB, he’s obviously throwing a lot of strikes.

More than any other pitcher on the team, the batter can guess fastball in the zone, and he’ll be right most times. I’m not sure why it’s any different than last season (he hasn’t lost any FB velo), but I’m guessing that contributes greatly to his 30% line drive rate, nearly double that of 2009. That naturally leads to a high BABIP.

He’s living and dying by a 92mph fastball in the strike zone. When he locates it well (above the hands), he’s very tough to hit. If not, the batter knows he’ll be getting fastball in the zone.

/endhypothesis

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 5, 2010 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't get it

What “odd little injuries” has Jimenez had? I could definitely see taking King Felix over Ubaldo, but no way in hell would I take Josh Johnson before Jimmy (though George Frazier would disagree). I like the logic – “Well, this guy has already had Tommy John surgery, and Jimenez has had only ‘odd little injuries’ at some point in his life, so I’ll take Johnson.”

It doesn’t make sense to me. Also, the “he probably won’t throw 100 in 10 years” line was pretty funny. No, probably not, but Roger Clemens didn’t either. Randy Johnson was the only real flamethrower that I recall that continued to be a flamethrower into his late 30’s.

Maybe they’re right, and I’m obviously biased, but there’s no way in hell I’d take Johnson over Jimenez. Johnson’s good, but he’s not Ubaldo.

I hate the Red Wings.

by wtnelson on Jun 5, 2010 10:22 AM MDT reply actions  

Yeah, doesn't make a lot of sense.

Ubaldo missed most of 2004. That’s, what, six years ago? Maybe the logic is “haha all pitchers have to have Tommy John at some point so we’d rather have the guy who’s already had it!”

by Tom (RFTN) on Jun 5, 2010 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

dont forget nolan ryan

he was still flinging heat late in his career

by purplesocks on Jun 5, 2010 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'll be attending the Sky Sox game tonight in Salt Lake...

So, I should have some pretty good info for the Pebble Report tomorrow.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jun 5, 2010 10:57 AM MDT reply actions  

It is a great place to watch baseball, that's for sure.

The Bees don’t lose a whole heck of a lot at home. Hopefully that will change (or at least, that a bunch of key Sky Sox guys have good individual performances).

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jun 5, 2010 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

enjoy it

Can’t wait to hear what you observe

There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK

by jrockies on Jun 5, 2010 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

that's funny

There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK

by jrockies on Jun 5, 2010 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hahaha

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Bear Naked - My thoughts on sports, music, and life.

by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jun 5, 2010 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

...lemur?

www.twitter.com/owtsproductions
www.adancerinparis.blogspot.com
Also, Carlos Gonzalez is still a sexy man.

by Squeaky on Jun 5, 2010 11:47 AM MDT reply actions  

Only if he can hit.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jun 5, 2010 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

My thoughts on last night's game

Over the course of a 162-game season, you’ll win some you shouldn’t and lose some you shouldn’t. Chalk it up as a trade-off for beating Halladay last month. Now, let’s go get the last two and take the series.

The Colorado Rockies aren't a team, they're an armada.

by free7694 on Jun 5, 2010 12:33 PM MDT reply actions  

my problem though...

is that we lost more games that we shouldn’t than won games that we shouldn’t

Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez

by Colsportsfan on Jun 5, 2010 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

isnt that a sign of a good team?

i mean as long as those loses aren’t that frequent

by purplesocks on Jun 5, 2010 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Homerz!

It was Freaky Friday last night — the rox swung for the fences and struck out more often than not. And the bullpen essentially imploded. Let’s hope the rox woke up this morning seeing themselves in the mirror rather than the Lord Voldemorts.

Tornadough! Tornadough! Tornadough!

by WalkInRight on Jun 5, 2010 1:00 PM MDT reply actions  

Renck reporting lineups

cf Gonzalez
lf spilborghs
1b giambi
ss Tulowitzki
rf hawpe
3b mora
c iannetta
2b barmes
p chacin

by Andrew Martin on Jun 5, 2010 2:54 PM MDT reply actions  

This makes sense in a way

as we want to get the RHB in the lineup against Willis. I also think Helton does need a day off to work and reflect rather than facing what could be a very tough LHP.

There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK

by jrockies on Jun 5, 2010 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

he's getting 2 off

per Renck and Harding

to “figure it out”

He’ll start again Monday, but he’ll bat 5th (oh god no) or 7th (much better)

by Andrew Martin on Jun 5, 2010 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

really?

so Giambi starts 2 games in a row?

Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez

by Colsportsfan on Jun 5, 2010 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Helton in the 7th spot would make our line-up much better...

so would putting Cargo in the 3rd spot

Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez

by Colsportsfan on Jun 5, 2010 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

But then who goes in the 2 hole?

With Gonzalez third and Fowler down, Smith is almost certainly the leadoff man of choice. It’d have to be one of Hawpe, Stewart, or Barmes….

I almost think the best thing to do here is to bat Helton second instead of fifth or seventh, sinc ehe’s still getting on base more than the other three.

LF Smith
1B Helton
CF Gonzalez
SS Tulowitzki
RF Hawpe
C Olivo
3B Stewart
2B Barmes

… looks much better than one of the other three up there.

by Greg Stanwood on Jun 5, 2010 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Olivo to the two

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by TomCat009 on Jun 5, 2010 6:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

I actually kind of like that idea.

1) Smith
2) Olivo
3) Gonzalez
4) Tulo
5) Hawpe
6) Helton
7) Stewart
8) Barmes

Olivo’s OBP and walk ratio may not be great in the 2 hole, but he won’t clog the bases.

by blackmet on Jun 5, 2010 6:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Frustrating game last night :/

Benching Todd Helton is on another level though.

by CentralCaliRox on Jun 5, 2010 4:46 PM MDT reply actions  

go Todd

There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK

by jrockies on Jun 5, 2010 10:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Even though

you don’t know what a Twitter is, you still know how to use it

There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK

by jrockies on Jun 5, 2010 10:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

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